[00:00:10] WELCOME TO THE PROSPER TOWN COUNCIL MEETING. TODAY IS TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 10TH, NOT JANUARY 27TH AT APPROXIMATELY 6:46 P.M. AND THIS MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER. CITIZENS AND OTHER VISITORS ATTENDING THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING SHALL OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO THE MEMBERS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL. ANY PERSON MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL OR ATTENDING THE MEETING, SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM, IF SO, DIRECTED BY THE MAYOR PRESIDING OFFICER, AND THAT PERSON SHALL BE BARRED FROM FURTHER AUDIENCE BEFORE THE COUNCIL DURING THAT SESSION. DISRUPTION OF A PUBLIC MEETING COULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTION 42.05 OF THE TEXAS PENAL CODE. WE WILL NOW CONDUCT A ROLL CALL. WE HAVE AN ATTENDANCE, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM KERN, COUNCIL MEMBER. HODGES. COUNCIL MEMBER. REEVES, COUNCIL MEMBER. ANDERS. COUNCIL MEMBER. RAY. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL HAVE OUR INVOCATION, OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND PLEDGE TO THE TEXAS FLAG. I'LL ASK JASON MCCONNELL, WITH THE PROPER UNITED METHODIST CHURCH TO PROVIDE THE INVOCATION. AND THEN WE WILL RECITE THE PLEDGES BY SCOUT TROOP 365. PLEASE STAND. THANK YOU. MAYOR. LET US PRAY. GOD, TONIGHT, AS WE GATHER AS NEIGHBORS AND AS A COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WE ARE ALL UNITED BY A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY TO BOTH CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER AND FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR TOWN. AND SO WE ASK THAT THIS SPACE BE GUIDED BY A SPIRIT OF PEACE THAT IS SURPASSED, BY UNDERSTANDING THAT GUARDS OUR HEARTS AND OUR MINDS, THAT WE MIGHT ALLOW FOR OPEN CONVERSATIONS, CONVERSATIONS WITH RESPECT, TREATMENT OF ONE ANOTHER WITH DIGNITY. EVEN IF WE DISAGREE, WE HOLD IN OUR THOUGHTS A HOPE FOR PEACE THAT GOES EVEN BEYOND THESE WALLS. PEACE FOR OUR NATION, PEACE FOR OUR WORLD, AND A TIME WHEN THERE IS LOTS AND LOTS OF PLACES DEALING WITH CONFLICT AND DIVISION AND UNCERTAINTY. MAY OUR SMALL LITTLE CORNER OF COMMUNITY BE AN EXAMPLE FOR WHAT IT IS THAT IS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO BE CHOOSING UNDERSTANDING OVER HOSTILITY AND COOPERATION OVER FEAR. CALL US AND INSPIRE US TO PURSUE JUSTICE WITH COURAGE AND WITH PASSION. LET FAIRNESS GUIDE OUR DECISIONS. LET TRUTH INFORM OUR DISCUSSIONS AND WISDOM. STEADY OUR ACTIONS. MAY EVERY VOICE BE RESPECTED, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE TOO OFTEN GONE UNHEARD. HELP US TO REMEMBER THAT THE WORK DONE HERE IS NOT ONLY ABOUT POLICIES AND PLANS, ABOUT THINGS AND THE DETAILS AND THE DOLLARS, BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE PEOPLE. MAY WE LEAVE THIS MEETING MORE COMMITTED TO LISTENING, MORE DETERMINED TO ACT WITH INTEGRITY AND MORE HOPEFUL ABOUT WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WHEN WE DO IT TOGETHER. WE ASK THIS IN YOUR NAME. AMEN. GOD, AS SET FORTH BY. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE TO WELL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK COUNCIL MEMBER REEVES TO READ OUR [Announcements of recent and upcoming events.] ANNOUNCEMENTS. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT EVENTS COMING UP. JOIN US ON SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 21ST FROM 9 TO 11 A.M. FOR THE PROSPER FISHING DERBY AT FRONTIER PARK. THE FAVORITE ANNUAL EVENT BRINGS FAMILIES TOGETHER BY THE POND AS YOUNG ANGLERS COMPETE FOR THE MOST FISH CAUGHT. PRIZE JUDGES WILL BE ON HAND TO TRACK CATCHES AND WINNERS RECOGNIZED FOR CHILDREN AGES 14 AND UNDER. THE DERBY IS FREE AND NO REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED. FOR MORE INFORMATION, VISIT PROSPER DT GOV BACKSLASH SPECIAL EVENTS. JOIN US ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 24TH AT 2 P.M. FOR THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR RAYMOND COMMUNITY PARK, LOCATED OFF FIRST STREET AND COURT ROAD, THIS 70 ACRE PARK WILL FEATURE A SPORT COMPLEX WITH PICKLEBALL COURTS, TENNIS COURTS, PLAYGROUNDS AND MORE. VISIT THE TOWN WEBSITE FOR ADDITIONAL DETAILS. AND FINALLY, REGISTRATION IS NOW OPEN FOR THE FOURTH ANNUAL P-TOWN P-TOWN THROWDOWN PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT BRING, BEING HELD ON SATURDAY, MARCH 28TH AT RAYMOND COMMUNITY PARK. [00:05:04] THE FORMAT IS MIXED DOUBLES FOR PARTICIPANTS 18 AND OLDER, WITH RECREATIONAL AND COMPETITIVE DIVISIONS BASED ON PLAYERS RATINGS. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE TOURNAMENT AT PROSPER GOV. BACKSLASH P-TOWN. THROWDOWN. ALRIGHT, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ITEMS THEY'D LIKE TO GIVE ANNOUNCEMENTS ON? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WILL ADD THEN WE HAVE A NEW ITEM UNDERNEATH ANNOUNCEMENTS. AND THAT IS CALLED AMERICA 250. AND SO I'M GOING TO READ A STATEMENT AND I'LL EXPLAIN IT AS WE GO. SO IN 2026 OUR NATION WILL MARK A MILESTONE UNLIKE ANY OTHER. IT'S GOING TO BE 250 YEARS SINCE THE FOUNDING OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND THIS ANNIVERSARY IS MORE THAN A CELEBRATION OF AGE. IT'S A REFLECTION ON AN IDEA THAT IS SO BOLD THAT IT RESHAPED THE WORLD, THAT LIBERTY BELONGS NOT TO A SELECT FEW, BUT TO ALL. SO BETWEEN NOW AND JULY 4TH, 2026, WE WILL TAKE A DELIBERATE AND THOUGHTFUL JOURNEY, ONE THAT REVISITS THE PRINCIPLES THAT GAVE BIRTH TO OUR NATION AND EXAMINES HOW THESE PRINCIPLES CONTINUE TO GUIDE US TODAY. EVERY WEEK, WE WILL PAUSE FOR TWO MINUTES TO REFLECT ON A CHAPTER OF AMERICA'S FOUNDING THE COURAGE OF AMERICAN ORDINARY CITIZENS, THE WISDOM AND FLAWS OF OUR FOUNDERS, AND THE SACRIFICES THAT SECURED OUR INDEPENDENCE, AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT FREEDOM DEMANDS OF EACH GENERATION. WE WILL BE PRODUCING A VIDEO EACH WEEK BETWEEN NOW AND THE CULMINATION OF THAT WILL BE THE PRIDE AND THE SKY 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION THAT WILL TAKE PLACE IN FRONTIER PARK ON JULY 2ND. THIS EFFORT ALIGNS WITH AMERICA 250, A NATIONWIDE INITIATIVE TO HONOR OUR PAST WHILE PREPARING FOR OUR FUTURE. OUR GOAL IS SIMPLE BUT IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT BY THE TIME WE REACH JULY 4TH, 2026, WE DO NOT MERELY COMMEMORATE HISTORY. WE UNDERSTAND IT, APPRECIATE IT, AND RECOMMIT OURSELVES TO IT. THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT HAS NEVER BEEN PERFECT, BUT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ASPIRATIONAL. OVER THE COMING MONTHS, THESE BRIEF REFLECTIONS WILL REMIND US ALL THAT THE FOUNDING OF AMERICA WAS NOT THE ENDING. IT WAS SIMPLY A BEGINNING. AND THAT BEGINNING STILL CALLS EACH OF US TO SERVE TODAY, TO LEAD AND TO PRESERVE THE FREEDOMS THAT ARE ENTRUSTED TO US. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS JOURNEY, BOTH FROM THE COUNCIL AND FROM OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AS WE CELEBRATE AMERICA'S BIRTHDAY. SO IN THE FUTURE, EVERY COUNCIL MEETING THERE WILL BE THIS AMERICA 250 ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, AND WE WILL [2. Recognize Cindy Slate, Wally DesChamps, Kurt Beilharz, and Chief Kowalski for their years of service. (TL/GL/DB/MC)] DISCUSS A PARTICULAR ITEM OF HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS PRESENTATIONS. AND WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME CELEBRATING RIGHT HERE. WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE CINDY SLATE, WALLY DESCHAMPS, KURT BEILHARZ AND CHIEF KOWALSKI FOR THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE TOWN OF PROSPER. SO. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET PROCLAMATIONS FOR EACH EMPLOYEE. AND I'LL START RIGHT NOW. CHIEF. YES, SIR. SO THIS IS A INCREDIBLE MOMENT FOR AN INCREDIBLE MAN. I WILL START WITH A PROCLAMATION AND THEN I'LL SAY A COUPLE OF OTHER WORDS. THIS IS A TOWN OF PROSPER PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS CHIEF KOWALSKI HAS FAITHFULLY SERVED AS POLICE CHIEF FOR THE TOWN OF PROSPER FOR 12 YEARS AND 47 YEARS OVERALL IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT. AND WHEREAS THROUGHOUT THE PERIOD OF THIS SERVICE, CHIEF KOWALSKI HAS DEMONSTRATED UNWAVERING DEDICATION, INTEGRITY AND PROFESSIONALISM. AND WHEREAS HIS CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE POSITIVELY IMPACTED COLLEAGUES, THE ORGANIZATION AND THE COMMUNITY THROUGH HIS UNWAVERING COMMITMENT, AND WHEREAS CHIEF KOWALSKI HAS ATTAINED THE UTMOST RESPECT AND ADMIRATION OF HIS PEERS, AND THE SINCERE GRATITUDE OF ALL WHO WERE PRIVILEGED TO SERVE WITH HIM. AND WHEREAS WE WISH CHIEF KOWALSKI CONTINUED HEALTH, HAPPINESS AND FULFILLMENT IN THE NEXT CHAPTER OF HIS LIFE AND EXPRESS OUR DEEPEST THANKS FOR HIS CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WILL BE LONG REMEMBERED AND VALUED. SO NOW, THEREFORE, I, DAVID F BRISTOL, MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF PROSPER, TEXAS, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE DEDICATED SERVICE OF CHIEF DOUG KOWALSKI AND EXTEND OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR A CAREER MARKED BY EXCELLENCE AND SERVICE. PROCLAIMED THIS 10TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2026. CHIEF, YOU'RE AN INCREDIBLE MAN AND AN OUTSTANDING PUBLIC SERVANT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE YOU, THANK YOU. IT'S AN HONOR. I'M TRULY HONORED. THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE THE COUNCIL? CAN I GET THE COUNCIL? CAN I GET THE WHOLE COUNCIL? DO WE HAVE A COUNCIL? COME DOWN, CHIEF. SURE. AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU. YOU WON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK. SURE. OKAY. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS WE WILL ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS FOR CHIEF. THERE IS A RETIREMENT CEREMONY ON THURSDAY THE 12TH FROM 3 TO 5 AT THE PROSPER ISD COMMUNITY CENTER OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. WELCOME TO SEE EVERYONE THERE. THANK YOU, CHIEF [00:10:06] KOWALSKI. ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A FEW. I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. OKAY. I'LL LET YOU ON YOUR AGENDA. YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO SAY. IT IS BEEN AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE. TO SERVE AS YOUR CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS. WHEN I GOT HERE, I SAW A LOT OF CHANGE, EXPERIENCED A LOT OF CHANGE. WITH THIS TEAM. IT WAS 14,000 PEOPLE LIVING HERE, 14 POLICE OFFICERS. AND AFTER THAT, WELL OVER 50,000 RESIDENTS. AND WE HAVE ALMOST 100 EMPLOYEES NOW, 72 OFFICERS AND ABOUT 27 CIVILIANS. IT'S BEEN QUITE, QUITE A BIT OF CHANGE, QUITE A BIT OF GROWTH. AND. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY HERE. WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY IS I'M JUST PART OF THE TEAM. THE TEAM WILL CONTINUE ON AND THE TEAM WILL DO GREAT THINGS. AND WHO COMPRISES THAT TEAM? WELL, THE FIRST THE FIRST COMPONENTS OF THAT TEAM WERE THE CITIZENS. WE HAVE HAD AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF BACKING FROM THE CITIZENS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IN THIS TOWN. SECOND PART IS YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THIS THROUGH YOUR SPEAKING HERE, THEY SUPPORT US 100% AND PUBLIC SAFETY HAS BEEN A HIGH PRIORITY WITH THEM. BOTH POLICE AND FIRE COME BY AND SEE US SOME TIME ON SAFETY WAY. YOU SEE, WE HAVE A NEW CAMPUS GOING ON AND THE THIRD WILL BE THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY FOR ME AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE WORK AS A TEAM. WE WORK CLOSELY, AND THE TEAM IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. SO I HAVE 72 OFFICERS OUT THERE. AND SO HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. YOU HAVE 72 CHIEFS OF POLICE. ANYTIME WE SHOW UP ON A CALL, THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND I'LL GO ON INTO SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT I WON'T BE A STRANGER. THIS IS A FAMILY. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S A FAMILY. THE CITY ORGANIZATION IS A FAMILY. THING. BEING INVITED BACK TO THE FAMILY DINNERS AND HOLIDAYS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. AND YOU'VE BEEN YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT TEAM, GREAT FOLKS TO WORK WITH AND A GREAT FAMILY. THANK YOU. YES. SO ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO ASK WALLY TO COME UP PLEASE. WALLY. WELL, WE'LL READ A PROCLAMATION. ALSO. IT'S NOT 47 YEARS, BUT STILL WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE OUTSTANDING. SO THIS IS A TOWN OF PROSPER PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS WALLY'S CHAMPS HAS FAITHFULLY SERVED THE LIBRARY FOR THE TOWN OF PROSPER FOR SEVEN YEARS AND RETIRED ON DECEMBER 19TH, 2025. AND WHEREAS THROUGHOUT THE PERIOD OF SERVICE, WALLY DEMONSTRATED UNWAVERING DEDICATION, INTEGRITY AND PROFESSIONALISM. AND WHEREAS HIS CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE POSITIVELY IMPACTED HIS COLLEAGUES, THE ORGANIZATION, THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY THROUGH HIS UNWAVERING COMMITMENT. AND WHEREAS, WALLY HAS ATTAINED THE UTMOST RESPECT AND ADMIRATION OF HIS PEERS, AND THE SINCERE GRATITUDE OF ALL WHO WERE PRIVILEGED TO SERVE WITH HIM. AND WHEREAS WE WISH WALLY CONTINUED HEALTH, HAPPINESS AND FULFILLMENT IN HIS NEXT CHAPTER OF LIFE AND EXPRESS OUR DEEPEST THANKS FOR HIS CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WILL BE LONG REMEMBERED AND VALUED. NOW. THEREFORE, I, DAVID F BRISTOL, MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF PROSPER, TEXAS, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE RETIREMENT OF WALLY DESCHAMPS AND EXTEND OUR SINCEREST APPRECIATION FOR A CAREER MARKED BY EXCELLENCE AND SERVICE. PROCLAIMED THIS 10TH DAY OF FEBRUARY 2026. WALLY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR TOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE BY THE WAY, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THESE RETIREMENTS HERE THIS EVENING IS A SIGNIFICANT EVENT FOR THE TOWN OF PROSPER, ONE THAT WE'VE HAD EMPLOYEES DEDICATED TO OUR COMMUNITY FOR THIS PERIOD OF TIME IS IS AN AMAZING THING. AND IT SHOWS TO THE ORGANIZATION AND THE COMMUNITY THAT ALL OF US REPRESENT. AND SO THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR RETIREES THIS EVENING. NEXT, I'LL ASK KURT BEILHARZ TO COME UP. KURT. SO WE'LL WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOU AND YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS WHEN WE DO THE RAYMOND PARK OPENING. SO BUT I'M GOING TO READ THIS [00:15:02] PROCLAMATION NOW. SO TOWN OF PROSPER PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS KURT BEILHARZ HAS FAITHFULLY SERVED AS PARKS AND RECREATION ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH THE TOWN OF PROSPER FOR THREE YEARS AND 21 YEARS OVERALL IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT AND IS RETIRING ON FEBRUARY 27TH, 2026. AND WHEREAS THROUGHOUT THIS PERIOD OF SERVICE, KURT DEMONSTRATED UNWAVERING DEDICATION, INTEGRITY AND PROFESSIONALISM. AND WHEREAS HIS CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE POSITIVELY IMPACTED THE COLLEAGUES, THE ORGANIZATION AND THE COMMUNITY THROUGH HIS UNWAVERING COMMITMENT, AND WHEREAS KURT HAS ATTAINED THE UTMOST RESPECT AND ADMIRATION OF HIS PEERS, AND THE SINCEREST GRATITUDE OF ALL WHO WERE PRIVILEGED TO SERVE WITH HIM. AND WHEREAS, WE WISH KURT CONTINUED HEALTH, HAPPINESS AND FULFILLMENT IN THIS NEXT CHAPTER OF LIFE, AND WE EXPRESS OUR DEEPEST THANKS FOR HIS CONTRIBUTION THAT WILL BE LONG REMEMBERED AND VALUED. NOW. THEREFORE, I, DAVID F BRISTOL, MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF PROSPER, TEXAS, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE RETIREMENT OF KURT BEILHARZ AND EXTEND OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR A CAREER MARKED BY EXCELLENCE AND SERVICE. PROCLAIMED THIS 10TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2026. CONGRATULATIONS! THANK YOU. THANK THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE GIVEN TO OUR TOWN. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ATTEMPT TO RESCUE. OH, YEAH. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT IS ALL THE RETIREMENTS WILL ACCEPT. YOU HEAR ME, BOB? [3. Recognize the Finance Department for receiving the Annual Comprehensive Financial Report (ACFR) Certificate of Excellence award. (RBS)] OUR NEXT ITEM WILL BE TO RECOGNIZE THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. DEPARTMENT FOR RECEIVING THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL CERTIFICATE OF EXCELLENCE AWARD. MR. BOB SCOTT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ON THE MOVE. WE HAVE COMPLETELY REVISED ALL OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES TO UPDATE THEM TO CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES. WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED A NEW COMPUTER ERP SYSTEM THAT HELPS US MANAGE OUR FINANCES. WE HAVE COMPLETELY REDONE THE BUDGETING PROCESS WE'VE ISSUED FOR THE FIRST TIME A BOND RATING BOOK AND GOT A TRIPLE A BOND RATING. BUT OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, THE THING I'M PROBABLY MOST PROUD OF, THAT THESE GUYS BEHIND ME HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE IN-SOURCED INVESTMENTS, AND THEN TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION CERTIFICATE OF ACHIEVEMENT FOR EXCELLENCE IN FINANCIAL REPORTING. I AM A FORMER GFOA REVIEWER, AND I CAN TELL YOU THE CHECKLIST IS HUNDREDS OF QUESTIONS AND VERY, VERY THOROUGH. IN THE PAST, WE HAVE ALWAYS USED OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS TO HELP US PREPARE THIS REPORT. SO WE'VE GOTTEN THE AWARD IN PAST YEARS. BUT IN 2024, WE CHALLENGED FINANCE STAFF TO DO IT THEMSELVES. AND THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE DID IT OURSELVES, SUBMITTED IT AND WON THE AWARD. SO. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO RECOGNIZE AND JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW. WE WILL CONTINUE TO KIND OF PUSH THE ENVELOPE AND DO MORE OURSELVES. WE HAVE A GOAL OF SELF-RELIANCE AND RESILIENCY AND FINANCE, AND WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT CAPABILITY AS THE TOWN GROWS. THANK YOU. YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF SAYING ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THIS TEAM HAS ACCOMPLISHED, BUT YOU FAILED IN ONE, AND THAT IS THAT THAT IS UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP AND WITHOUT ALL OF YOUR DEDICATED TIME THAT YOU'VE PUT IN ONE IN RECRUITING ALL OF THESE GUYS HERE AND GALS AND BUILDING THAT DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE TRULY DONE AN AMAZING JOB AS A TEAM FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. I JUST CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE. I KNOW WHERE YOU STARTED AND IT'S TRULY AMAZING. MARCUS OR CHRIS, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ON TO THAT AT ALL? SO THANK YOU. CONCUR. OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS. YEAH. FINANCE DIRECTOR CHRIS LANDRUM, MARCUS NORTHUP, OUR ACCOUNTING MANAGER. WHO WAS THE [00:20:02] POINT PERSON FOR ISSUING THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, JOY LEE, ONE OF OUR SENIOR ACCOUNTANTS. AND THEN PAULINE ASHBY, OUR BUDGET PERSON. SO. ACCOUNTING FOR. BUDGET ADMINISTRATOR AND ACCOUNTANT FOR THAT REPORT. YES. NO. IT IS TRULY A AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S GONE IN TO GET TO THIS LEVEL. I AM VERY THANKFUL. THANKFUL TO EACH OF YOU FOR THE TIME YOU SPENT AT IT. AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. AT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING ON FRIDAY. SO YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. [CONSENT AGENDA] ALRIGHT. THAT IS ALL OF OUR PRESENTATIONS. AND SO NOW WE'LL MOVE TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ITEMS PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE IN NATURE AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL. THE CONSENT AGENDA MAY ALSO BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL MEMBERS OR STAFF. IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS A MOTION THEY'D LIKE TO, OR A ITEM THEY'D LIKE TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOUR THROUGH 20. I HAVE A MOTION FROM JEFF HODGES, SECOND BY MARCUS RAY. ALL IN FAVOR? THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I'LL MOVE TO CITIZENS. COMMENTS. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO [CITIZEN COMMENTS] ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC. HOWEVER, THE COUNCIL IS UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM AND PRESENT IT TO THE TOWN SECRETARY PRIOR TO THE MEETING. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. IF MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS WISH TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC, THEY MAY YIELD THEIR THREE MINUTES TO ONE INDIVIDUAL APPOINTED TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. ALL INDIVIDUALS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE MEETING, AND THE APPOINTED INDIVIDUAL WILL BE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES. I DO HAVE ONE CITIZEN'S COMMENT FORM. AND THAT IS JERRY DONALDSON. JERRY, ARE YOU WITH US TONIGHT? IF YOU WOULD MIND JUST COMING TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. THANK YOU. NAME'S JERRY DONALDSON. I LIVE AT 2608 FOUNTAIN VIEW DRIVE, CORINTH. I AM CURRENTLY STAFFED BY HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS, THE NEW HOLIDAY INN. WE'VE TRY TO GET THROUGH SOME STUFF TO GET OUR CEO. WE GOT OUR TEMPORARY CEO AT THAT PROJECT. I'VE GOT DOCUMENTATIONS OF EMAILS, PICTURES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I'D LIKE TO TURN IN. WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING OUR CEO BECAUSE OF OUR CONDENSER UNITS OUTSIDE ON THE GROUND. WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY ONE DEPARTMENT TO PUT LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT. BUSHES. WE'VE DONE THAT. WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY DEPARTMENT TO PUT WROUGHT IRON FENCE. WE'VE DONE THAT NOW WE'VE BEEN TOLD TO PUT MASONRY, SOLID MASONRY. WE EXPLAINED TO THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE COULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET THE PROPER AIR AROUND OUR UNITS. I'M JUST TRYING. THEY TOLD ME TO COME TO THIS DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF I CAN GET IT PAST THIS, GIVE YOU ALL THE DOCUMENTATIONS AND SEE WHERE WE CAN GO FROM HERE. I PRESENTED ALL THIS. IF I CAN JUST GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY, Y'ALL CAN READ OVER IT, LOOK AT IT, AND THEN THAT'S REALLY ALL I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE CEO. YEAH, THE COUNCIL CAN'T ADDRESS IT, BUT I BELIEVE THE TOWN MANAGER HAS A COMMENT. SURE, MAYOR, IF IT'S OKAY, IF I COULD ADDRESS THE GENTLEMAN. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO RECEIVE YOUR DOCUMENT. I'M NOT FULLY AWARE OF ALL THE ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING, SO IF YOU WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT YOUR INFORMATION, I'LL GET WITH CHUCK EWINGS, OUR ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER, AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE THINGS RESOLVED FOR YOU. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL JUST LEAVE IT WITH THIS LADY RIGHT HERE, WE'LL WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS POINT? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.007 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, INDIVIDUALS [21. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request to rezone J. Durrett Survey, Abstract 350, Tracts 2 & 2A, and John M. McKim Survey, Abstract 889, Tract 4, on 49.9± acres from Agricultural to a Planned Development for Single-Family Residences, located on the north side of Prosper Trail and 855± feet west of Legacy Drive. (ZONE-25-0006) (DH)] WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL FOR ITEMS LISTED AS PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE RECOGNIZED WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS NUMBER 21, WHICH IS TO CONDUCT A [00:25:04] PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ACT, UPON REQUEST TO REZONE THE J SURVEY. ABSTRACT 350. TRACKS TWO AND TWO A AND THE JOHN M MCKINNEY SURVEY ABSTRACT 889. TRACK FOUR ON APPROXIMATELY 49.9 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE LOCATED ON NORTH SIDE OF PROSPER TRAIL AND APPROXIMATELY 155FT WEST OF LEGACY DRIVE, MR. DAVID HOOVER THANK YOU. MAYOR. COUNCIL. THE SITE IS REFERRED TO AS THE MCCASLIN TRACT. I BET YOU CAN PROBABLY FIGURE OUT WHY THIS IS THE LOCATION THE MAYOR JUST READ WHERE THAT IS. THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SURROUNDING ZONING. IT'S PRIMARILY EITHER VACANT OR RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL. THERE'S A SELF STORAGE UNIT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE IMMEDIATELY EAST, A LOWER PIECE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN THERE'S SOME SOME COMMERCIAL THAT'S THAT'S TO THE SOUTH EAST THERE. THE TRACK IS SORT OF AN ODD SHAPE AND THAT IT'S IT'S RECTANGULAR IN NATURE. VIGILANTES PLAN HAS IT DESIGNATED AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PRIMARILY. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE. NEIGHBORHOODS THEMSELVES, AS FAR AS THE DENSITY IS CONCERNED, IS 1.6 TO 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE. AND THAT PRIMARILY IS 12,500, UP TO 20,000, GENERALLY CLOSER TO THE 12,500. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED STANDARDS AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY PRETTY MUCH ALIGN WITH WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SF 12.5 WOULD BE. THE DENSITY IS 2.49 UNITS. ALL THE LOTS ARE AT 12,500 OR LARGER. NOT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, AS YOU'LL SEE AS YOU GET DOWN TO THE DEPTH AND THE WIDTH, THE STANDARDS, QUOTE UNQUOTE, ARE 125FT IN DEPTH. WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS 150FT. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. THE WIDTH IS TYPICALLY 80FT. AND THE SF 12.5. AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS 76. SO IT'S STILL OVER THE 12.5. IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THE CONFIGURATION AND THE THE THE 150 BY 76. THIS IS JUST A QUICK LAYOUT OF THE VARIOUS CHARACTERISTICS ON THE STREET FRONTAGE, FLOODPLAIN, OPEN SPACE. YOU SEEN THE PICTURES IN YOUR PACKETS. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THIS AS IS FAIRLY REPRESENTATIVE OF OF THE ODD NATURE, IF YOU WILL, OF THIS TRACT, WITH IT BEING LONG UP AND DOWN AND NARROW, RECTANGULAR IN SHAPE. BUT THERE'S ALSO A SECTION OF FLOODPLAIN THAT RUNS ALONG THE TOP, SO THE TWO DEVELOPED PIECES ARE ACTUALLY SEPARATED BY THAT FLOODPLAIN. THE APPLICANT'S ALSO ARE THE EXCUSE ME, THE PERMITTED USES, YOU CAN SEE, ARE PRIMARILY WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO FIND IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THE AMENITIES ARE GOING TO BE PICKED FROM A LIST OF SEVERAL THAT WERE PROPOSED. AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE THE PRELIMINARY ZONING PROCESS, WE ALSO ASKED FOR A LOT TABLE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT A COUPLE OF YOU ALL HAVE ASKED FOR IN THE PAST AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH ZONING CHANGES, AND THIS SHOWS WHAT THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH LOT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE SUBDIVISION HAS. AND YOU CAN SEE, AS I MENTIONED, THEY'RE ALL MINIMUM OF 12.5, BUT SOME OF THEM GO UP AS MUCH AS 14, 15,000FT■!S. YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN, AGAIN, THE SPLIT BETWEEN THE THE AREAS TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH WHERE THE RESIDENCES ARE. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE FLOODPLAIN IN THE MIDDLE. ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT YOU CAN SEE IS IN THE CENTER PARTS OF THE THE RESIDENTIAL AT THE UPPER END AND THE LOWER END IS OPEN. THERE'S A SPLIT THERE. SO AS PEOPLE ARE DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ACTUALLY CAN SEE THE FLOODPLAIN AREA. THERE'S ALSO, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS PICTURE, A COUPLE OF PARK SITES THAT ARE IN THERE. THERE'S A WATER FEATURE IN THE MIDDLE. THERE'S TRAILS THAT THAT RUN THROUGH IT. SO THE THE AREA FLOODPLAIN AREA IS ACTUALLY BEING UTILIZED AS PART OF THE AMENITY PACKAGE. AND ALSO THE FACT THAT IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM PEOPLE [00:30:03] WHO ARE DRIVING INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS JUST REPRESENTATIVE OF, AGAIN, THE THE GREEN SPACE AREA AND THE WATER FEATURE THAT'S THERE, DEPICTIONS OF OF WHAT THE VARIOUS AMENITIES WILL LOOK LIKE. SO THIS IS THE ENTRYWAY, WHICH IS THE MAIN ENTRYWAY. DOWN ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LANDSCAPING DOWN THERE AS PART OF THE THE ENTRY INTO THE SUBDIVISION. AND AGAIN, IT'S MORE PICTURES REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. THESE ARE THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. IT'S IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE. OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. MASONRY DESIGN EXTERIOR FACADES PRIMARILY MASONRY GLASS SO FORTH. ROOFING SAME MATERIALS AS YOU'RE USED TO SEEING. THESE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT ON JANUARY THE 9TH. THE NEWSPAPER NOTICE CAME OUT ON JANUARY THE 23RD. AND ONE RESPONSE IT WAS IN FAVOR. STAFF'S RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SIX TO NOTHING. THERE WAS ONE MEMBER ABSENT AT THE MEETING, AND SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT. WHEN THE APPLICANTS FIRST CAME IN, WE WERE GOING. WHAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS WAS DIFFERENT. I WON'T SAY SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT, BUT IT WAS DIFFERENT FROM FROM WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN PROPOSED HERE. IT'S HARD TO TO SEE THE FULL VISION ALL AT ONCE. BUT WE'LL JUST TAKE ONE OF THESE PICTURES SO YOU CAN CAN GET THE IDEA. STAFF WAS ASKING FOR A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT DIDN'T ORIGINALLY HAVE AS FAR AS CURVILINEAR STREETS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE, WHICH WE TYPICALLY EITHER GET ON ON LONGER STREETS, EITHER THE CURVILINEAR OR STAGGERED SETBACKS WE FELT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT WAS LONG THAT THE CURVILINEAR STREETS WOULD WOULD OFFER A BETTER LOOK. AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONCERNED, THE LOTS, SEVERAL OF THEM WERE SMALLER THAN THE 12 POINT, EXCUSE ME, 12.5. THOSE WERE CHANGED BY THE APPLICANT. THE OPEN SPACE AND THE FLOODPLAIN AREA WERE CHANGED BY THE APPLICANT. POINT OF THE REASON I'M MENTIONING ALL THIS IS BECAUSE THE APPLICANT REALLY, WE BELIEVE, WORKED VERY WELL WITH THE STAFF IN COMING UP WITH THIS PROPOSAL FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND WE'RE WE'RE PLEASED THE WAY IT CAME OUT. HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANT IS WE KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION LIKED IT, OBVIOUSLY, SINCE THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THAT IT WAS WAS A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE, UNLIKE SOME EXPERIENCES WE HAVE. SO I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. THANK YOU, MR. HOOVER. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OKAY, DAVID, YOU MIGHT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS ON THE THE STREETS. HOW LONG IS THIS THIS STREET THAT IS GOING FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE THE END. YOU KNOW, I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO ASK ME THAT. I DO NOT REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW LONG IT IS, SUZANNE. DO YOU KNOW. NO, I IT'S IT'S I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY 800FT, BUT IT LIKE, IT WAS GENERALLY ABOUT 100FT LONGER THAN THAN WHAT WE LIKE. AS FAR AS THE THE TYPICAL LENGTHS OF STREETS INSIDE A SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS WHY WE WANTED EITHER THE CURVILINEAR STREETS WHICH WHICH BREAKS IT UP. WE DON'T LIKE SPEED BUMPS IN THE TOWN, AND WE DON'T LIKE EVEN ANY TYPE OF RAISED STRUCTURE. AS FAR AS TRAFFIC CALMING IS CONCERNED. IT CAUSES THE FIRE TRUCKS AND PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD PROBLEMS, OBVIOUSLY. AND SO THE CURVILINEAR FEATURES WERE MEANT TO OFFSET THE FACT THAT IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY ALLOW, BUT IT'S NOT SO LONG THAT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE REMEDY TO FIX IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO I ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE LITERALLY JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE HOA AT THE HOA MEETING ABOUT ABOUT SPEEDING IN NEIGHBORHOODS ON STRAIGHT, STRAIGHT ROADS LIKE THIS. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEAN. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S THAT, THAT CURVY. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE MAIN REASON I'M ASKING IT. IT'S NOT MEANT. AND THE APPLICANT MAY VERY WELL REMEMBER HOW HOW LONG IT IS EXACTLY. INSTEAD OF MY MY CLOSE ANSWER, SO TO SPEAK. BUT THE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WERE FINE WITH WITH THIS PARTICULAR CURVILINEAR STRUCTURE BECAUSE [00:35:06] IT DOES. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD PERSPECTIVE, THERE'LL BE CARS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PARKED IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES MOST OF THE TIME, WHETHER THEY'RE VISITORS OR THE KIDS CARS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND WITH THE THE CURVES THAT ARE IN THE STREET, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSED, ALL OF THOSE FACTORS ARE GOING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM JUST ZOOMING STRAIGHT DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE. YOU GOT TO SLOW DOWN TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE CARS AND SUCH. AND SO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WAS WAS HAPPY WITH THAT CONFIGURATION. WE WERE NOT HAPPY WITH THE STRAIGHT STREETS AND THE STAGGERED SETBACKS, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD AFFORD THE SAME BENEFIT THAT THAT THIS LAYOUT DOES AS FAR AS SLOWING THE TRAFFIC DOWN. AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL TO TO US. WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE THOSE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE IT'S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO SPEED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. ALRIGHT. THIS. WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION DO WE. THERE IS ONE HERE. IF WE WANT IT, WE NEED IT. DO YOU WANT IT? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. WHAT'S THAT? YEAH. IN THAT CASE I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN AT THIS TIME. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT? THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, I DO, AND IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY MORE OF A REQUEST. I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF ALL THE CHANGES YOU'VE MADE. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE APPROVAL OF STAFF AND PNC UNANIMOUSLY APPROVING THAT AS WELL ON THE OPEN SPACE AND AMENITIES. ONE THING THAT CAUGHT MY EYE, THERE'S A LIST OF AMENITIES. AND IN THERE IT SAYS THERE'S THREE OF THEM, I GUESS, AND ONE OF THEM HAS TO BE FROM THE TOP FOR. RIGHT. SO LET ME ADDRESS THE AMENITIES THEN. THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. WE'VE DURING THAT PROCESS OF THE PD AND AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH WITH STAFF, WE HAVE SELECTED OUR BUILDERS. AND SO DURING THAT PROCESS IS WHEN WE START TO FINE TUNE THE AMENITIES. SO WE DID CREATE THAT LIST SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE A HEARING TO WHAT THE BUILDERS ALSO ARE LOOKING FOR. WE PERCEIVE THIS PROJECT JUST BECAUSE THE THE NATURE PRESERVE OF THE OPPORTUNITY, THIS OPEN SPACE TO REALLY PROVIDE AN ACTIVITY OPPORTUNITY, THIS MASTER OR THE TRAIL, THE LOWER TRAIL ACTUALLY CONNECTS TO YOUR MASTER TRAIL SYSTEM. AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY 12 FOOT WIDE. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO REALLY CREATE AN ACTIVITY AREA. BUT ALSO WE ADDED ANOTHER TRAIL FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH THAT ACTUALLY ENCOMPASSES A BRIDGE CROSSING THE CREEK. SO THERE'S SOME OF THAT. WHAT WE PERCEIVE IS MORE NATURE. BUT WHILE WE'RE AT THAT, WE'RE ALSO ADDING THE PAVILION. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ADDING A FITNESS STATION BECAUSE OF THE MASTER TRAIL SYSTEM. AND SO WE WANTED TO BE MINDFUL. ALSO, LET ME THE POND WILL BE HAVE A, A A PIER SO TO SAY FOR FISHING. AND WE ANTICIPATE THE POND ACTUALLY GROWING IN SIZE A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THE RECLAMATION THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE, WITH THE AREA AND ALL THAT. SO TO YOUR POINT, I THINK WE WILL END UP SELECTING MULTIPLE FROM THAT TOP FOUR. OKAY. THAT WAS ALL I WAS GOING TO SAY. INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE FROM THE TOP FOUR, IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE ONE FROM THE BOTTOM FOUR? YEAH. AND THAT WOULD THAT WOULD INCLUDE YOUR FITNESS STATION AND THE PIER. THOSE ARE ON THE TOP. SO WOULD THAT BE IF WE REWARDED IT. WOULD THAT BE OKAY? I'M OKAY WITH THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU MICHELLE DID WE GET NAME AND ADDRESS. DID I FAIL TO ASK YOU? YES. SORRY. MY NAME IS JOHN MCKENZIE. I'M WITH M&A DEVCO AND MY ADDRESS IS 1706 BURBERRY ALLEN, TEXAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. OTHER QUESTIONS. AS FAR AS THE HOW BIG IS THAT POND ROUGHLY OR HOW BIG IS IT A LITTLE BIT DO WE KNOW HOW BIG THE POND IS NOW. AND NO I'M TRISTAN POOR WITH SPIRES ENGINEERING. MY ADDRESS IS 109 PARK CIRCLE MCKINNEY, TEXAS. I'M NOT SURE THE ACTUAL ACREAGE OF IT. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT HALF AN ACRE TODAY, BUT IT'S GOING TO GROW IN SIZE PROBABLY TO ABOUT 3 OR 4 SIZE TIMES THAT SIZE. AND THAT EIGHT FOOT TRAIL. AGAIN, JOHN KIND OF MENTIONED THIS, BUT WE'LL HAVE A PIER ON THAT POND AND IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, STOCKED AND AMENITY THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON PROPOSING. WE'RE DOING A VERY SIMILAR PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES A LITTLE FURTHER DOWNSTREAM. WE DID ON WINDSONG RANCH, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, TWO MILES. IS IT THIS LOCATION? IS IT GOING TO BE MAINTAINED AROUND THE EDGES, OR IS IT GOING TO BE NATURAL AROUND THE EDGES TO WHERE [00:40:02] PEOPLE CAN FISH AROUND THE EDGES? OR IS IT WHERE I PERCEIVE IT TO BE MORE NATURAL, JUST GIVEN THE ASPECT OF THIS BEING MORE OF A NATURE PRESERVE? OKAY, I WILL WEIGH IN TO JUST TO TO CLARIFY THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF MR. HOOVER, THE STREETS ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT 1400 LINEAR FEET. THE TOWN'S ORDINANCE REQUIRES SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC CALMING ONCE YOU GET PAST THE 800FT. AND SO THE APPROVED TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES IN THE TOWN'S ORDINANCE, ONE BEING THE CURVILINEAR STREETS THAT YOU SEE TODAY. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT DAN KIND OF PUSHED US TOWARDS, AND I THINK PROBABLY THE TOWN'S PREFERRED METHOD OF TRAFFIC CALMING. AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES OF RAISED PAVEMENT IS MENTIONED, AND SOME PAVEMENT CHOKERS AND SPEED BUMPS ARE EVEN IN THERE. BUT I THINK JUST FROM A PUBLIC WORKS STANDPOINT AND ALSO FROM EMS HERE, IT'S JUST NOT THE PREFERRED TO DO THE PAVEMENT. SO WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO GET THE CURVILINEAR STREETS. THAT'S REALLY WHAT ORIGINALLY PUSHED US BELOW THE 12 FIVE, BUT THEN WE WERE ABLE TO, WITH THE DEEPER PAT LOTS, THE BIGGER BACKYARDS, WE WERE ABLE TO GET 12 FIVE AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE THIS LAST PNC MEETING SO THAT WE COULD MEET ALL STAFF'S REQUESTS. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, REALLY BEYOND THAT 800FT COMING OUT OF THOSE, THE CURVILINEAR THERE'S ON BOTH STREETS, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 12 RESIDENTS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOMEONE CATCHING SOME SPEED AT THE VERY END OF THE THOSE KNUCKLES, BUT WE DON'T DISSIPATE. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT BEING A PROBLEM, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A THROUGH STREET, IF YOU WILL, CROSSING THE CREEK. ANOTHER QUESTION IS A COMMENT. I WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR WORKING WITH TOWN STAFF TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS. THE FACT THAT YOU HAD UNANIMOUS FROM PNC IS IS GOOD. WE TAKE THEIR INPUT HIGHLY INTO THESE DECISIONS. AND YOU KNOW, WHILE I WISH THERE WAS A WAY TO HAVE ANOTHER ANOTHER CURVE IN THAT STREET, I KNOW YOU DID THE BEST WITH WHAT YOU CAN TO ACCOMMODATE SOMEONE TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. THANKS. YEAH, YEAH. MY COMMENT WOULD BE THIS IS A CHALLENGING PARCEL TO WORK WITH TO BEGIN WITH. I THINK YOU GUYS LOOKS LIKE YOU DID ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU COULD. THANK YOU TO TOWN STAFF FOR WORKING WITH THIS GROUP TO TO MAKE IT WORK. AND I, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL. AND SO I'M NOT I'M NOT TERRIBLY CONCERNED THAT I THINK I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT MANY HOMES, YOU'VE GOT THE CURVILINEAR STREETS AND IT'S GOING TO FUNCTION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE I WON'T CALL IT A CUL DE SAC, BUT IT WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CALMING FEATURE. JUST BY THE NATURE OF THE USE OF THE PARCEL. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? OKAY, YEAH. I MOVE TO APPROVE A REQUEST TO REZONE 49.9 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, ALLOWING FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PROSPER TRAIL AND 855FT WEST OF LEGACY DRIVE. OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION SECOND BY CAMERON REEVES. ALL IN. DAVID, REAL QUICK. I'M SORRY, HOW DOES THAT FIGURE INTO THE MOTION ABOUT THE JUST THE AMENITIES? MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS CORRECT. YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE AMENITIES THAT THERE'S ONE FROM NUMBER ONE THROUGH FOUR, BUT NO MORE THAN ONE FROM ITEMS SIX THROUGH NINE OF THE LISTED AMENDED. IS THAT. NO. WELL, BASICALLY IT'S THERE'S THE THREE AMENITIES, JUST ONE FROM THE BOTTOM FLOOR AND THE OTHER TWO CAN BE FROM THE REST OF THEM. OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. IT'S JUST SO ONLY ONE AMENITY FROM ITEM SIX THROUGH NINE, CORRECT. AND TWO FROM ONE THROUGH FIVE. CORRECT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. REREAD THE MOTION. SUBJECT TO. SUBJECT TO JEFF'S RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. HODGE'S RECOMMENDATION. RIGHT. IT'S VERY SMALL. YEAH. OKAY. PERFECT. AND THEN. ALL RIGHT. IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. YEAH. AND THEN SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER REEVES. OKAY. IS EVERYBODY READY TO VOTE ON THAT? ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. [22. Consider and act upon authorizing the Town Manager to execute a Construction Agreement awarding CSP No. 2026-06-B to MSF Hospitality, related to construction services for the Prosper Downtown Monumentation Phase 1 project in the amount of $553,402, and authorize $50,000 for materials testing and construction phase contingencies. The total purchase order amount is $603,402. (RB)] THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22. CONSIDER AN ACT UPON AUTHORIZING THE TOWN MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT AWARDING COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL NUMBER 2026, DASH 06B TO MSF HOSPITALITY RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION SERVICE OR PROSPER DOWNTOWN MONUMENT STATION PHASE ONE PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $553,000 402 AND AUTHORIZED $50,000 FOR MATERIALS TESTING. CONSTRUCTION PHASE CONTINGENCY. THE TOTAL PURCHASE ORDER AMOUNT IS 603,402. MISS ROBIN BATTLE GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M VERY PLEASED TO PRESENT THIS ITEM TO YOU TONIGHT. IT'S THE FIRST PHASE OF OUR DOWNTOWN MONUMENT PROJECT. MANY OF YOU MAY REMEMBER WE WENT THROUGH THIS CHARRETTE PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT IN THE SUMMER OF 2024. SO THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, BUT IT'S BEEN A REALLY FUN PROJECT TO WORK ON, AND I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS FIRST PORTION OF THIS BID AWARD ON IN JANUARY. ON JANUARY [00:45:07] 2020, JANUARY 22ND, THE TOWN OPENED FIVE PROPOSALS FOR THE PROSPER DOWNTOWN MONUMENT PROJECT. PHASE ONE. THE PROJECT WAS ADVERTISED USING THE COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL METHOD OF PROCUREMENT, WHICH ALLOWS THE TOWN TO AWARD THE PROJECT TO THE CONTRACTOR THAT PROVIDES THE BEST VALUE FOR THE PROPOSAL. THE CRITERIA CRITERIA TO SCORE THE PROPOSALS WERE BASED ON 65% ON COST, 25% ON THE PROJECT TIMELINE AND 10% FOR QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD BREAKDOWN FOR CRITERIA. THE INTERNAL TEAM FOR THIS PROJECT WILL BE MYSELF AS WELL AS PETE ANAYA, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, AND ALSO JOEY STINSON, WHO IS OUR FACILITIES CONSTRUCTION MANAGER. THE PROJECT IS COMPRISED OF A BASE BID FOR CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS FOUR COLUMNS AT THE THE INTERSECTION, EACH CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION AT BROADWAY AND MAIN STREET. EACH COLUMN HAS A MASONRY BASE AND STEEL LIGHTED STEEL COLUMNS THAT ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF RAILROAD TRACKS. THERE ARE ALSO OVERHEAD STRING LIGHTS ACROSS THE INTERSECTION. THE PROJECT WAS ALSO ALSO INCLUDED TO ADD ALTERNATES IN THE PROJECT. THE FIRST ONE IS AN ALTERNATE ONE, WHICH ARE FIVE TERTIARY MONUMENTS, THREE OF WHICH WILL HAVE PENDANT LIGHTS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A LOCATION MAP IN JUST A MOMENT OF WHERE THOSE WILL BE, AND THEN ADD ALTERNATE TWO. WAS THE CYLON SILO ICON MONUMENT, WHICH WOULD BE INSTALLED IN PLACE OF THE COLUMN AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION. THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THAT WE AWARD THE BASE BID FIRST. THAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO THAT FIRST, BUT GO AHEAD AND GET PROPOSALS FOR THE ADD ALTERNATE ITEMS IN CASE FUNDING WAS AVAILABLE. NOW HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP OF THE DOWNTOWN MONUMENT. YOU'LL SEE THAT THE GREEN SQUARE AT BROADWAY AND MAIN, THAT WILL BE THE FOUR COLUMNS, AND THEN THE FIVE TERTIARY MONUMENTS ARE SHOWN AT THE CORNER OF BROADWAY AND MCKINLEY, AND THEN THE FOUR CORNERS AT BROADWAY AND CROCKETT. THE RED SQUARES THAT YOU SEE ARE THE LIGHTED TERTIARY MONUMENTS. THE OTHER TWO WILL BE NON LIGHTED. AS I SAID, THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CONSTRUCT THE FOUR COLUMNS AT BROADWAY AND MAIN STREET FIRST. THAT WOULD BE THE BASE BID, BUT ALSO TO OBTAIN PROPOSALS FOR ALTERNATES ONE AND TWO IF FUNDING WAS AVAILABLE. NOW, LOOKING AT OUR FUNDING, THE THE PROPOSAL THAT SCORED THE HIGHEST WAS ALSO THE LOWEST BID. SO THE PROPOSAL IS WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE AWARDED TO MSF HOSPITALITY THERE. THEIR PROPOSAL DID COME IN LOWER THAN THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE. SO OUR BUDGET IS SUFFICIENT TO NOT ONLY DO THE BASE BID, WHICH IS THE FOUR COLUMNS, BUT ALSO ADD ALTERNATE ONE, WHICH IS THE FIVE TERTIARY MONUMENTS. IF WE ADD IN $50,000 CONTINGENCY FOR MATERIALS TESTING AND AND CONTINGENCY, THEN THAT WOULD BRING THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT TO $603,402.29. WE DO HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THAT. SO THAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BID, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ON QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ROBIN. SURE. THERE'S A COUPLE COUPLE THINGS. AND I THINK JUST BECAUSE OF OF OF THE DOWNTOWN FUNDING BEING PART OF OUR MOST RECENT BOND INITIATIVE AS WELL. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE SOURCE FUNDING. AND I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS IN ADVANCE. I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S COMING FROM THIS PROJECT. BUT OF COURSE, YES, THIS THIS IS WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO USE ANY BOND FUNDING FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE WE WE ALREADY HAD SOME FUNDING LEFT OVER FROM THE ORIGINAL DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, THE FUNDING THAT COUNCIL HAD PREVIOUSLY AWARDED. WE USED UP THE REMAINING FUNDS FOR THAT. AND THEN WE HAD I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER WITH ME. WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL, I THINK, AROUND 250,000 OF CAPITAL DEDICATED FUNDING TO FINISH OUT THIS PROJECT. OKAY. SO WHEN IT'S REFERENCING THE BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO. SO THEY REFERENCING A BUDGET CODE. BUT IT'S REALLY IT WAS PRIORITIZED BY THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE CORRECT. YES. YES. THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THAT WE THAT WE ADD THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING. OKAY. BUT THE THE ORIGINAL THE 600,000 THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED WAS BASED ON THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, AND THAT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN FOR THE FOUR CORNERS. BUT BECAUSE THE CODE, THE WINNING PROPOSAL CAME [00:50:04] IN MUCH LOWER, WE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD TO DO THE BASE BID AND THE FIVE TERTIARY MONUMENTS AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. AND THEN AGAIN, APOLOGIES FOR NOT ASKING YOU TO BE PREPARED IN ADVANCE, BUT IN REGARDS TO THE FOURTH COLUMN AT MAIN, I THINK IT IS RIGHT AT, AT BROADWAY MAIN, THE NORTH EAST CORNER. YES, SIR. YEAH. SO IT WHAT HAPPENS, DOES THAT MEAN THE DECISION WAS TO FOREGO THE OTHER MONUMENT? THAT'S CORRECT. THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE DECIDED THAT BECAUSE OF BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, TO FOCUS ON THE FOUR COLUMNS, BUT STILL GO AHEAD AND GET THAT PROPOSAL FOR THE SILO. IF THE BIDS CAME IN LOWER THAN ANTICIPATED OR ADDITIONAL FUNDING WAS IDENTIFIED, WE WE THE ADD ALTERNATE TO THE SILO ICON MONUMENT IS AN OPTION. HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDING AT THIS TIME TO DO THAT. IF WE WERE TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL FUNDING, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE AN OPTION. AND I WASN'T ON THE I'M NOT ON THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT MEANS THAT'S FOREGONE, IF WE IF WE DON'T DO THAT OR IF WE'RE LOOKING AT INSTALLING SOMETHING THAT MAY BE REMOVED IN A FUTURE DATE. YEAH, I WASN'T ABLE TO BE AT THAT MEETING. BUT I THINK THAT WHERE YOU'RE GOING LOGICALLY IS IF YOU PUT THAT FOURTH COLUMN THERE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE EITHER HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN. IF YOU PUT THE THE OPTION TO ALTERNATE TO YES, ALTERNATE TO ON THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE LOGIC WAS THOUGHT THROUGH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOING THREE COLUMNS AND LEAVING THAT FOURTH ONE EMPTY AND VACANT FOR WHEN OPTION TWO FUNDING MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. I KNOW IT'S MORE COMPLETE TO HAVE ALL FOUR CORNERS. WELL, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE OTHER. THE OTHER PIECE OF IT WAS THAT THE THE MONUMENTS AT COLEMAN AND AT FIRST STREET WERE MORE IMPORTANT AS WELL, BECAUSE I WANT TO SAY, AND THIS IS, THIS IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THE, THE PRICING FOR THE SILO WAS AROUND $700,000. AND SO THAT WAS THAT WAS A LONG TIME DOWN THE ROAD. AND SO IT JUST IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THAT THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE THOUGHT WOULD THE OTHER, THE OTHER MONUMENTS WERE, WERE MORE IMPORTANT. OKAY. SO WITH THAT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING AT THAT MEETING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THE ESTIMATE WAS $700,000 AND THAT'S JUST OFF THE TOP. YEAH. NO, NO, THAT'S FAIR. AND IF WE'VE GOT FROM THE SELECTED AWARDEE A PRICE FOR 326, IT IS A FRACTION. AND NOT HAVING THESE I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD THIS PRICING BACK SINCE WE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT DIDN'T COME IN AT 700,000. IT CAME IN AT 326. LOGICALLY, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO SAY, OKAY, WHATEVER WE WOULD HAVE ALLOCATED FOR THAT FOURTH COLUMN, THAT PORTION COULD BE PRORATED OR PUT TOWARDS THE ALTERNATE TWO, AND YOU'D HAVE A DELTA AMOUNT THAT YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH. IT WAS 326 LAST. WHATEVER THAT FOURTH COLUMN COST IS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. YES, SIR. AND AND BECAUSE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO DISCLOSE THE ACTUAL BID INFORMATION TO THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEY DID NOT SEE THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE ARE UNABLE TO DISCLOSE THAT UNTIL THE BID AWARD. BUT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TO DO THE THE SILO MONUMENT THERE, THERE'S A BUILT IN DEDUCT FOR THAT FOURTH COLUMN THAT WOULD WHERE THE SILO WOULD GO IN PLACE OF THAT FOURTH COLUMN. SO BUT JUST JUST A BALLPARK, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT AN $83,000 DELTA, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DID THE THE THREE COLUMNS AND THE SILO MONUMENT INSTEAD OF THAT FOURTH COLUMN, WE WOULD PROBABLY BE SHORT ABOUT $83,000. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO IDENTIFY SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING. YES. I THINK THAT'S A NUANCE. YEAH. I THINK BASED ON THE MEETING WE HAD PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, I'LL ASK THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM IF HE HAS A MOTION. YEAH, I THINK I WOULD MOVE TO SEND IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE THEM REVIEW THE OPTIONS AGAIN, WITH THE BIAS OF KNOWING WE PREFER THEM TO DECIDE IF THEY DON'T WANT THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. BUT I'D PREFER TO GET THE WE NEED THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE'S DIRECT INVOLVEMENT. SO I HAVE A MOTION REAL QUICK, IF I MAY ADD SOMETHING. MAYBE THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE CAN TALK ABOUT ON THE TERTIARY MONUMENTS. TWO OF THE FOUR WERE LIT, TWO WERE NOT. WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT? THAT WAS SIMPLY A DESIGN CHOICE. YEAH, THREE OF THREE OF THEM WERE LIT. TWO OF THEM WERE NOT. AND THAT THAT WAS JUST A DESIGN CHOICE ON THE LANDSCAPE. WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE IF WE GO BACK WITH THOSE NUMBERS, MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION POINT. THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE CAN CAN LOOK AT. I GUESS MY MY ASK TOO, IS I DON'T WANT TO LOSE WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED HERE, YOU KNOW, BY DEFERRING IT. CAN WE. YEAH. YEAH. SO AS LONG AS YOU KNOW. MSF HOSPITALITY WILL HOLD, YOU KNOW, THE FEES, YOU KNOW, TO [00:55:07] ALLOW TIME FOR THE COMMITTEE WHO ACTUALLY IS MAKING THE SELECTION. I THINK HAVING THE NEW INFORMATION, THEY MAY MAKE A STRONG RECOMMENDATION FOR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO DO ALTERNATE ONE AND ALTERNATE TWO. BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COMMITTEE. DELTA'S THE DELTA IS NOT $83,000 DIFFERENT. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE COLUMN AND THE SILO, RIGHT? RIGHT. I THINK WHAT SHE WAS STATING AND KEEP ME HONEST HERE AT 326 LAST 83 IS WHAT WE. SO YOU'D HAVE 250 ISH. YEAH. LET ME CLARIFY THAT. THE BASEMENT PLUS ALTERNATE TWO. IF WE JUST DID THOSE AND NOT THE TERTIARY MONUMENTS, THAT WOULD BE THE DELTA. WE'D STILL NEED ANOTHER $83,000. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE WOULD DO THE THREE COLUMNS AND THE SILO. WE WOULD. WE WOULD STILL HAVE AN $83,000 DELTA. YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK FROM A, FROM THE, FROM THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE, I MEAN, IT WASN'T A, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT WAS A PRICE THING FROM THEIR STANDPOINT BECAUSE THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE IS NOT LOOKING AT IT FROM A, FROM A PRICING BECAUSE THEY JUST THEY JUST SAY, WELL, SEND IT TO THE CIP AND LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT IS REALLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. AND BUT THEN THIS, THIS MEETING WAS SO LONG AGO THAT I REALLY. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT I JUST, I THINK BECAUSE WE WOULD BE PUTTING SOMETHING IN AND IN MY MIND THAT WOULD MEAN, LIKE WE'RE NEVER GOING TO DO THE OTHER ONE, OR AT LEAST NOT FOR A LONG PERIOD VERSUS MAYBE THEM BEING ABLE TO DECIDE TO NOT DO THE TERTIARY ONES AND, AND TO HAVE THE COMPLETE COLEMAN IN MAIN OR, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST THAT THAT'S AND AGAIN I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT DIDN'T REALLY HIT ME UNTIL LATER THAT WE'RE CHOOSING HERE AND IT IN MY MIND WE'RE CHOOSING SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING TO TEAR IT DOWN I AGREE. SO IF THERE WAS AN OPTION TO NOT BUILD THE FOURTH COLUMN ON THAT CORNER WHERE THE SOLID WOULD GO, BUT I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE THAT MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BECAUSE. SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO ASK THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER? SO. WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU ALL WANT THE DO YOU WANT THAT BIG STRUCTURE DON'T YOU, IN THAT CORNER? AND IF THE ANSWER IS LET THE COMMITTEE DECIDE AND THAT'S YOUR DECISION. THEN WHEN WE BRING THAT FORWARD, WE'LL LET THE COMMITTEE DECIDE AND THEN WE'LL BRING THAT TO BID. I MEAN, I'M JUST IT'S JUST IF I THINK THEY WANTED IT ALL FROM, FROM THE PREVIOUS COMMUNICATIONS, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT BASED ON THE ESTIMATES THAT WERE PROVIDED. SO HAVING NEW INFORMATION, THEY MAY MAKE A DIFFERENT DECISION. AND IT WOULD PRECLUDE US BUILDING ALL FOUR CORNERS. RIGHT. AND BUT IT ALL BUT IT WOULD ALSO DELAY YOU IMPLEMENTING THE TERTIARY ELEMENTS UNTIL LATER TIME BECAUSE THAT'S ABSORBING A LOT OF AGAIN, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. WE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER MONUMENTS AS WELL, NOT JUST NOT JUST THE FOUR CORNERS. WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE ONES AT COLEMAN AND FIRST STREET, BECAUSE THOSE THOSE HAVE A HAVE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL COST AS WELL. RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE ALSO. SO WE'VE GOT TO NOT JUST THE, THE COLUMNS AND THE AND THE SILO. WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL. CORRECT. AND, AND THOSE, THOSE ON THOSE MAJOR ROADWAYS THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF. THOSE ARE THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE BIDS FOR THOSE ROADWAYS, BUT THAT WOULD BE FOLDED IN AS PART OF THAT, THOSE PROJECTS. BUT THOSE ARE PART OF THE OVERALL COST OF THE MONUMENTS. CORRECT. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT WE'RE, THAT THEY WERE CONSIDERING WHEN MAKING THIS DECISION. AND THOSE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SILO. AND I DO KNOW THAT. AND THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BEFORE THE SILO FROM, FROM THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD THAT I DO REMEMBER, BECAUSE THAT THAT WILL THEY THEY WANT THOSE MORE THAN THEY WANT THE SILO. BECAUSE DO WE DO THE SILO OR DO WE DO THOSE. THAT'S I MEAN AND WE CAN, WE CAN KICK IT BACK IF, IF THAT'S WHAT IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO PUSH US, PUSH US DOWN THE ROAD. BUT I, I DO KNOW THAT THAT WAS I MEAN, ROBIN IS THAT DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE CONVERSATIONS FROM I, I BELIEVE I CONCUR WITH YOU THAT THEY FELT LIKE THE THE GATEWAY MONUMENTS AT BROADWAY AND COLEMAN AND FIRST AND MAIN, THE ARCHWAYS WERE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SILO. I AGREE WITH YOU THERE. THAT THOSE AREN'T EVEN UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THIS POINT. LIKE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE IDEA WAS POTENTIALLY ROLL THOSE INTO THE ACTUAL ROAD PROJECT. THAT'S THAT'S THE PLAN. NO, WE BUILD THEM DURING. WE DON'T ROLL THEM INTO THE PRICE. WELL [01:00:04] THAT'S OKAY I MEAN YOU'RE ON IT. SO I JUST THAT'S THE CONVERSATION I HAD REMEMBERED. BUT AND I AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING PRIORITY WAS AND WE CAN APPROVE THIS AS THEY HAVE IT IT JUST. BUT THEN DO YOU BUILD THE FOURTH CORNER THERE POTENTIALLY TO TEAR IT DOWN LATER? THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. IF YOU BUILD THE FOURTH CORNER AND IN IN IN KEEPING WHAT MY QUESTION GOES TO, WHAT DID THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE RECOMMEND THEY RECOMMENDED DURING THE FOUR COLUMNS AT BROADWAY AND MAIN, WHICH IS THE BASE BID. AND TO GET THE PROPOSALS FOR AN ALTERNATE ONE AND TWO AND THEN BUILD THOSE IN ORDER IF FUNDING BECAME AVAILABLE. SO BECAUSE WE HAVE RIGHT AT 600,000 IN OUR BUDGET, AND WE'RE ABLE TO AFFORD BOTH THE BASE BID AND AN ALTERNATE ONE, THAT'S WHY I'M COMING FORWARD WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION TO DO BOTH THE BASE BID AND ADD ALTERNATE ONE, BUT NOT THE SILO AT THIS TIME. SO THIS REFLECTS THE WISHES OF THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE, IN MY OPINION. ALL RIGHT. I GOT TWO MEMBERS OF THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE WITH ONE THAT WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND. IS THIS ACCURATE IN YOUR THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS ACCURATE. OKAY. I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION. OKAY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WITH THAT BEING SAID, OUR ASSUMPTION AS A DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE MEMBER AND A CIP COMMITTEE MEMBER IS THAT WE'RE NOT ROLLING THE FUNDS TO FUND THE MONUMENTS INTO COLEMAN, THE COLEMAN PROJECT AND THE FIRST STREET PROJECT. THE FUNDS ARE COMING OUT OF CIP MONEY TO TO DO THE THE ARCHWAYS. OKAY. SO NOW IF THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY THEN, THEN WE'VE GOT TO RETHINK THIS. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. I THINK THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS. AND IT'S DECOUPLED FROM THE THE MONUMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OFF OF MAIN AND BROADWAY. MY ONLY CONCERN IS I THINK THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE WAS BASED OFF THE ASSUMPTION OF THE VALUE OF THE COST THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BECAUSE OF THE $700,000 FOR THE SILO. BUT THE SILO COST CAME IN AT A DIFFERENT PRICE, HALF THAT VALUE. HAVING THAT AWARENESS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO TAKE IT TO THE TEAM, I DON'T KNOW, THEY MAY OPT FOR NOT BUILD THE FOURTH COLUMN AND BUILD, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT THE SILO THERE, EVEN IF THAT MEANT THREE COLUMNS. I DON'T I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THEM THAT BASICALLY YOU WON'T YOU WON'T GET THE SILO BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO TEAR DOWN THE FOURTH COLUMN AT A COST TO PUT, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREATER COST. LET ME ADD I AND YOU KNOW, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION THAT IF WE ENDED UP WANTING TO DO THE SILO LATER, WE WOULD HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THAT FOURTH MONUMENT. BUT THE COST TO TO DEMOLISH THAT MONUMENT, I THINK, WILL BE PRETTY NEGLIGIBLE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A BIG MONUMENT LIKE THE BIG GATEWAY. SO YES, THERE WILL BE A LOSS THERE, BUT WILL THAT BE AN ACCEPTABLE LOSS IF WE DO THE SILO? SO THAT I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. OKAY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, COUNCIL MEMBER CURRAN HAS WITHDRAWN HIS MOTION. SO WE HAVE NO MOTION ON THE TABLE. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? HE CAN'T MAKE A MOTION. I'M NOT I'M NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATION. I'M MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR EMOTIONS. BUT AGAIN JUST KIND OF GIVE CONTEXT. SO WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR THE MONUMENT. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE. THERE WERE THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT FOR THOSE FOR THAT MAIN INTERSECTION AT BROADWAY AND MAIN. THEN WE HAD, AS ROBIN MENTIONED, THERE WAS ALSO THE TWO MAIN GATEWAYS INTO OFF OF COLEMAN AND OFF OF FIRST STREET. THOSE WERE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. AND SO I KNOW FROM THE COMMITTEE'S PERSPECTIVE, THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN GETTING SOMETHING DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. RIGHT. SO PHASE SOME OF THESE THINGS IN. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. AND WE WANTED TO GET AS MUCH PRICING AS WE CAN FOR THAT INTERIOR PART OF DOWNTOWN. SO THIS IS WHAT WHAT THIS BATTLE IS PRESENTING IS WHAT WE HAVE. SO IF THE HESITATION IS BECAUSE OF NOW, NO NUMBERS, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME IT WAS JUST PURELY HYPOTHETICALS. NOW THAT WE HAVE NO NUMBERS, IF YOUR WISHES ARE TO JUST DOUBLE BACK WITH THE COMMITTEE JUST TO KIND OF GET LET LET THEM HAVE ONE MORE PASS AT IT, KNOWING NOT THAT WE KNOW WE CAN DO THAT. IT'LL JUST IT'LL BE 1ST OF FEBRUARY. I'M SORRY. 1ST OF MARCH BEFORE WE GET THEM TOGETHER. AND THEN WE'LL COME TO YOUR MEETING THE SECOND WEEKEND. WELL, IT'LL JUST BE A MONTH LATER. IT WILL BE A MONTH LATE. SO JUST IT'LL BASICALLY BE JUST. FAST FORWARD A MONTH FROM TODAY, MARCH 10TH, IS WHEN WE'LL BE AT YOUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. AND THAT'S [01:05:02] REALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO UNLESS WE CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, WHICH WE COULD. BUT IF WE KEEP IT AT A REGULAR MEETING, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO. OKAY, SO WHAT I HEAR IS THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE HAS MET. THEY'VE GIVEN A VARIETY OF DIRECTIONS WITH ALTERNATES AS IT WENT THROUGH. I RECOGNIZE WHAT WE'RE SAYING ABOUT THE THE SILO, BUT THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT REFLECTS THE WILL OF THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE. AND IF WE JUST SAT FOR AN HOUR AND SAID WE WANT THE COMMITTEES TO DO THE HEAVY LIFTING, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD WE SHOULD GO. MY OPINION. SO I WOULD SIMPLY ASK THAT SOMEONE WHO IS ON THAT COMMITTEE MAKE A MAKE A MOTION. I'M A MOTION. BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT MOTION, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE FOURTH COLUMN. THERE'S IT'S NOT JUST THE COST OF TEARING IT DOWN. IT'S THE COST TO ABSORB OF BUILDING IT, TO. CORRECT? YES. YEAH. YOU BUILT IT. YOU'RE GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN. SO THEY'RE BOTH. I BELIEVE THAT TEARING IT DOWN IS NOT A HUGE COST, BUT BUILDING IT, THERE'S POTENTIALLY TEARING IT DOWN. SO YEAH WE'RE NOT GOING TO NOT AT THAT LEVEL. WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW AS WE I MEAN FOR ABSOLUTE CERTAIN WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE FOURTH. THEY BUILD THE SILO. I DON'T THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING. WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A SITE I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. WITH THAT TO TO CAMERON. MOTION TO APPROVE. ITEM NUMBER 2222. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT AGENDA. I'M SORRY. I'M WITH THAT ON THE WRONG SPOT. CAMERON REEVES, MARCUS, 26. OH. ALL RIGHT, NEXT AGENDA ITEMS, [23. Consider and act upon authorizing the Town Manager to execute Change Order No. 5 for installation of a well and electrical service to Dean Construction in the amount not to exceed $1,757,450 for Raymond Community Park. (DB)] NUMBER 23. CONSIDER AN ACT AUTHORIZING THE TOWN MANAGER TO EXECUTE. CHANGE ORDER NUMBER FIVE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A WELL AND ELECTRICAL SERVICE TO DEAN CONSTRUCTION. THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1.757450 MILLION FOR RAYMOND COMMUNITY PARK. MR. BAKER. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO WE DID RECEIVE BIDS ON THE WELL, AND I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN ANTICIPATING A LONG TIME. WE HAD VERY GOOD NEWS WHEN I FIRST WHEN THE LAST TIME I PRESENTED CHANGE ORDER FOR TO YOU. WE HAD A PLACEHOLDER FOR THAT. WELL, SO WE WERE STILL TRACKING THE OVERALL COST OF THE PROJECT BUDGET. WE HAD 2.1 AS A PLACEHOLDER TO GET THERE. THE WE HAD TWO BIDS SUBMITTED. ONE OF THE BIDS WAS BASICALLY OUR PLACEHOLDER. IT WAS A CONSULTANT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE WHOLE TIME. WE RECEIVED ANOTHER BID AT 1.3 OR $1,272,450, WHICH WAS ABOUT $400,000 LESS THAN WHAT WE HAD BEEN TRACKING THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT. SO IT'S GOOD NEWS. YOU CAN SEE THAT TOTAL THERE. FOR THE SUBTOTAL CHANGE ORDER. THERE IS ADDITIONAL ELECTRICAL THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE ADDED. WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD NUMBER FOR THAT AT THIS TIME. IT'S AN ENCORE ITEM. SO WE'RE IN THE QUEUE RIGHT NOW. WE PLUGGED IN A VERY VERY HEALTHY CONSERVATIVE 300,000 FOR THAT. WE DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT NUMBER, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE GET THIS APPROVED, IF WE GET THIS APPROVED, THAT WE'VE GOT THE MONEY TO MOVE FORWARD. AGAIN, WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE THAT YOU PLUG IN THE MATERIALS TESTING AND THE OWNER'S CONTINGENCY. AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO ASK FOR 1.757 $1,057,450 WITH CHANGE ORDER NUMBER FIVE. NOW, THIS SHOULD BE A FAIRLY FAMILIAR CHART. YOU'VE SEEN THIS AS WE'VE PROGRESSED THROUGH THIS PROJECT. WE'VE BUILT THIS CHART. YOU CAN SEE THE TEMPS WHERE WE STARTED AND THE ADDITIONAL CHANGE ORDERS. THIS TOTAL BRINGS THE OVERALL PROJECT, TOTAL PROJECT COST. ESTIMATED TOTAL PROJECT COST TO 25,962,573. THAT IS ROUGHLY A HALF A MILLION. A LITTLE MORE THAN A HALF MILLION LESS THAN WHAT WE TOLD YOU THIS PROJECT WAS GOING TO COST BACK IN OCTOBER, BEFORE WE KNEW WHAT THE THE ACTUAL COST OF THE WELL WOULD BE, WE DID TAKE THESE BIDS TO THE CIP SUBCOMMITTEE AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD. THEY BOTH APPROVED US MOVING FORWARD. I'VE ALREADY WALKED THROUGH THOSE OTHER COUPLE OF ITEMS. AGAIN, WE ARE 522,000 $427,000 LESS THAN WHAT WE ESTIMATED BACK IN OCTOBER. IF APPROVED, OUR ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE WOULD BE LATE APRIL EARLY MAY. I ADD THE NOTE? NO UPDATES REGARDING THE POWER DRAW FROM ENCORE. THAT'S IT'S A BIG ORGANIZATION AND WE'RE LIKE I SAID, WE'RE IN LINE. BUT IT COULD TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS. THAT WILL NOT IMPACT THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION OF THE WELL ON THE PUMPS AND THE IRRIGATION CONNECTIONS THAT THIS THIS CHANGE ORDER WOULD PROVIDE. IT MAY IMPACT WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY [01:10:02] FIRE UP THE WELL AND START USING IT FOR IRRIGATION. WE WOULD HAVE THE OPTION IF WE WANTED TO, TO BRING IN A GENERATOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF WE FELT WE GOT TO THE. STAGE WHERE WE FELT WE WANTED TO START PUMPING THAT WATER, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. AND AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT POWER WILL BE READY, BUT WE GOT IN LINE AS SOON AS WE KNEW YOU ALL WERE INTERESTED IN PROCEEDING WITH THE WELL PROCESS. SO WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE, BUT QUESTIONS? CAMERON, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR FOR ALL YOUR WORK. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS NOW. WELL, ALMOST TWO YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL AND IT'S BEEN AN ARDUOUS JOURNEY ON THE WELL. AND SO I'M GLAD WE'RE TO THIS POINT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I JUST HAD A QUICK ONE JUST BECAUSE I SLEPT A FEW NIGHTS. WE GOT THROUGH ALL OF THE APPROVALS BY TC OR TC T-C-E-Q THAT THAT BOARD THE BOARD UP IN PILOT POINT. ALL THAT IS. YES. WE GOT APPROVAL NOW WE ARE AT A REDUCED WE WE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER. I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 28 MILLION GALLONS. WE WERE ESTIMATING WE NEEDED TO PUMP A YEAR. THEY APPROVED US FOR 9 MILLION. SO WE WOULD STILL BE HAVING AT THIS POINT, AS CURRENTLY APPROVED. WITH THE PERMIT, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MUNICIPAL WATER, WHICH WE HAVE SET UP, AND THE THE WELL. NOW, THERE'S STILL AN OPTION FOR US TO GO BACK AND APPEAL, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PLAN TO DO TO SEE IF THEY WOULD APPROVE ADDITIONAL WATER USAGE. WHAT'S THE DELTA? DO YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD BETWEEN MUNICIPAL WATER AND AND WHAT WE WERE ABOUT. SO WE GOT APPROVED FOR NINE AND WE BELIEVE WE NEED ABOUT 28. SO 9 MILLION APPROVED. 28 MILLION REQUESTED. OH WOW. OKAY. SO ABOUT A LITTLE A LITTLE LESS THAN A THIRD. DID THEY GIVE US ANY, ANY HELP? I MEAN, WHAT WAS THEIR WHAT WAS THEIR RATIONALE BEHIND JUST GIVING US NINE AT THAT POINT? THEY DIDN'T GIVE US ANY RATIONALE. IT WAS IT'S A PRETTY QUICK PROCESS. WE HAVE SEEN I'VE BEEN A PART OF PROBABLY 4 OR 5 OF THESE MEETINGS NOW, 3 OR 4 OF THESE MEETINGS, AND I HAVE SEEN ENTITIES GO BACK AND REQUEST ADDITIONAL. YEAH. LOOKING AT THE AGENDAS, WE NOTICE THAT OTHER WELL, OPERATORS WERE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT. AND I THINK ONCE WE GET INTO THE SUMMER AND SEE WHAT OUR ACTUAL PUMPING IS AND WHAT'S REQUIRED, THEN WE WILL GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S THE WE'LL HAVE A SOLID NUMBER. IT WON'T BE AN ESTIMATE THAT WE CAN GO TO AND SET THAT THOSE LIMITS AT. WELL, MY, MY WHOLE POINT OF, OF THE QUESTION WAS JUST TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF AN UNDERUTILIZED ASSET WE WERE GOING TO HAVE KIND OF MOVING FORWARD. I DON'T IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER OR THAT ENTIRELY AT THIS POINT. SO, OKAY. YEAH, OUR INTENT WAS NOT TO BE UNDER AS TO GO BACK AND CONTINUE. AND IF WE NEED TO GO BACK TO CONTINUALLY AND KEEP ASKING AND KEEP ASKING. YEAH. SO OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. THAT WAS GOOD. OTHER QUESTIONS. YEAH I DO HAVE ONE. SO I KNOW WE'VE HAVE IT EARMARKED. AND YOU SAID IT'S A HEALTHY AMOUNT FOR THE NEW ELECTRICAL SERVICE OF $300,000. LIKE WE I KNOW THE TYPE OF PUMP AND WELL AND EVERYTHING. WE SHOULD HAVE A MORE CLOSE NUMBER. WHERE DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY BE? WE'VE BEEN TOLD IT COULD BE AS LITTLE AS ZERO, BECAUSE ENCORE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN US AS A CUSTOMER. SO THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THAT, THAT SERVICE, THAT NUMBER WAS GIVEN TO US BY OUR CONSULTANT. AND SO I HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE OVER 200,000, HONESTLY. BUT WE JUST I, WE DON'T KNOW. THEY TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS WE TELL THEM THE SERVICE REQUIREMENT NOW THAT THIS IS ALL APPROVED AND IT'S GOOD, AND THEN THEY GO BACK OUT AND START THEIR DESIGN PROCESS. THEN THEY GIVE US A COST. SO UNTIL THEY COMPLETE THEIR DESIGN, THEY WON'T GIVE US A COST. SO OKAY. IT'S NOT REALLY A SAVINGS. IF WE'RE ALLOCATING IT WE EXPECT TO SPEND IT. WILL BE LOWER. SO WE EXPECT TO SAVE SOMETHING. WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH AT THIS POINT UNTIL WE GET AN ACTUAL COST OF CONSTRUCTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS A MOTION TO MAKE ON THIS? I'LL MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE TOWN MANAGER TO EXECUTE. CHANGE ORDER NUMBER FIVE TO DEAN CONSTRUCTION FOR INSTALLATION OF A WELL AND ELECTRICAL SERVICES IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,757,450 FOR RAYMOND COMMUNITY PARK MOTION, SECOND BY JEFF HODGES. [24. Consider and act upon authorizing the Town Manager to execute a Construction Agreement awarding CSP No. 2026-04-B to Mario Sinacola & Sons Excavating, Inc., related to the First Street Reconstruction (DNT-Coleman) project for $20,793,934.72 and authorize $500,000 for construction phase contingencies. The total purchase order amount is $21,293,934.72. (LH)] ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM [01:15:02] NUMBER 24 IS CONSIDERED AN ACT AUTHORIZING THE TOWN MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT AWARDING COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL NUMBER 2020 604-B, TO MARIO SINACOLA AND SONS EXCAVATING, INC. RELATED TO THE FIRST STREET RECONSTRUCTION. DATED COLEMAN PROJECT FOR $20,793,934.72, AN AUTHORIZED $500,000 FOR CONSTRUCTION PHASE CONTINGENCIES. TOTAL PURCHASE ORDER IS 21,293,934. 72 LINDY HIGGINBOTHAM TO PRESENT. MAYOR. COUNCIL, THANKS FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING. HERE FOR THE. THERE WE GO. THIS FOR THE LONG AWAITED FIRST STREET PROJECT JUST OUTSIDE OF TOWN HALL. WE ADVERTISED FOR BIDS. WE HAD SEVEN BIDS RECEIVED AS SIMILAR TO THE PERCENTAGES FOR THE CSP THAT ROBIN MENTIONED EARLIER, 65% FOR THE COST PROPOSAL, 25% FOR THE TIME LINE, 10% FOR THE QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE. OF THOSE SEVEN BIDS, THEY RANGED FROM $20,793,934.72 TO 25 618, AND SOME CHANGE ENGINEERS ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE WAS A LITTLE OVER 24 MILLION. THE APPROVED BUDGET THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PROJECT IS A LITTLE OVER $23.7 MILLION, WHICH DOES INCLUDE SOME FUNDING FROM PUBLIC WORKS FOR WATER, AND THE RANGE OF PROPOSALS FOR TIME WAS FROM 400 OR, EXCUSE ME, 540 DAYS TO 1095 DAYS. BASED ON THE SCORING CRITERIA FOR THE CSP PROPOSALS. MARIO SINACOLA AND SONS EXCAVATION WAS DEEMED TO BE THE SUCCESSFUL BIDDER FOR THE PROJECT AND HIGHEST AWARDED WITH $20,793,934.72, WHICH YOU SEE IS ALSO THE LOWEST COST, NOT JUST THE BY SCORING. AND THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY SUBMITTED WAS FOR 570 DAYS. SO WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TO YOU TO AWARD THE PROJECT, EXCUSE ME FOR $21,293,934.72. COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROJECT. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE MONUMENTS THAT THAT WERE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROJECT THROUGH THERE. THIS IS JUST FOR THE ROADWAY, WATER AND SEWER PORTION OF IT. WE WILL MAKE SURE KIND OF AS WE GO THROUGH TO THAT, THE IMPACTS AT MAIN AND FIRST STREET DO ALLOW THAT MONUMENT, EVERYTHING TO GO IN AND WORK WITH THE COMMITTEE ON THAT. AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THIS. WE'VE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PISD AND THE CITIZENS. ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE HAS DRAWN A MIND LIKE CITIZENS ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE, JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACTS TO THE AREA WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE HOLIDAYS, THE CHRISTMAS, THE PARADES, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS AND EVENTS THAT HAPPEN DOWN HERE. SO WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF LOOPED THEM IN ON THE TIMING AND THE SCHEDULE. SO THEY'RE AWARE OF KIND OF WHERE THAT'S GOING. I KNOW CAITLYN PRESENTED TO THE CEC AT THEIR LAST MEETING, KIND OF WHERE THIS WAS. IT'S EXPECTED THAT THE PROJECT WILL START IN APRIL WITH A 570 DAY CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE. THAT PUTS COMPLETION KIND OF MID TO LATE NOVEMBER OF 2027 FOR FULL COMPLETION. SO WITH THAT, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OKAY. THANK YOU. RELATED TO THE ROADWAY AWARD. THANK YOU GREG. YEAH. JUST JUST VERY QUICKLY NOT TO HOLD THINGS UP BY WAY OF DISORIENTING OURSELVES ON THE COST OF THIS. WHAT IS THE LINEAR FOOTAGE OF THE PROJECT FROM, FROM END TO END? DO YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY? IT'S A FOUR LANE PROJECT. IT IS A FOUR LANE. I WANT TO SAY WE'RE CLOSE TO TWO MILES BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THE ROUNDABOUT. SO BY THE TIME YOU ADD THE UPS AND DOWNS AND OTHER LEGS, IT'S A LITTLE SKEWED. BUT MILE AND A HALF TO TWO MILES SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. AND I KNOW THIS IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF PROJECT BECAUSE YOU GOT THE 12 INCH WATER LINE, YOU GOT THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU GOT SOME VERY MEATY COST COMPONENTS THERE. YES. YEAH. NO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET AN ORIENTATION. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE TO GO IN THE TOWN AND JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. YEAH OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS. YOU KNOW ACTUALLY I'LL BE REALLY DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I'VE LEARNED HOW TO DODGE THE POTHOLES THERE ON FIRST. YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENT UPS AND DOWNS. SO DON'T WORRY. WE'LL [01:20:03] I'LL MAKE SURE WE PUT THEM IN THE CONSTRUCTION FOR YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. MOTION BY MARCUS RAY, SECOND BY CAMERON. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY [25. Consider and act upon authorizing the Town Manager to execute a Professional Services Agreement between Alliance Geotechnical, and the Town of Prosper, Texas, related to professional construction materials testing and observation services for the First Street Reconstruction (DNT-Coleman) in the amount of $408,815. (LH)] MUCH. CAN WE START TOMORROW? YES. YES, APRIL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25 TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AUTHORIZING TOWN MANAGER TO EXECUTE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ALLIANCE GEOTECH AND THE TOWN OF PROSPER, TEXAS, RELATED TO PROFESSIONAL CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS TESTING AND OBSERVATION SERVICE FOR THE FIRST STREET RECONSTRUCTION, D-A COLEMAN IN THE AMOUNT OF $408,815. AGAIN, THIS IS RELATED TO THE FIRST PROJECT WITH ANY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, THE MATERIALS TESTING CONSTRUCTION COMPONENT, JUST THINGS LIKE TESTING THE SUBGRADE, MAKING SURE THAT WE MEET COMPACTION AROUND THE PIPELINE, THE PIPE MATERIALS, THE SUBGRADE OF THE ROADWAY DEALS WITH TESTING OF THE CONCRETE. THAT TYPE OF STUFF. SERVICES ARE TYPICALLY BETWEEN 1 AND 5% OF THE CONSTRUCTION TOTAL. FOR THIS PROJECT, IT'S ABOUT 1.97%. SO JUST UNDER 2% OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR MATERIALS TESTING. ALLIANCE GEOTECH HAS DONE SEVERAL PROJECTS WITHIN THE TOWN. I'VE ACTUALLY HAD PROJECTS WITH THEM FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS, AND RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS WELL. SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON MATERIALS TESTING, ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? COULD I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THANK YOU. MOTION TO APPROVE COUNCIL MEMBER HODGES. COUNCIL MEMBER. REEVES. THANK YOU. WE'RE DOING VISUAL MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU AGAIN. [26. Consider and act upon authorizing the Town Manager to execute a Grade Crossing Construction and Maintenance Agreement between BNSF Railway Company, and the Town of Prosper, Texas, related to the signal and surface improvements as part of the First Street Reconstruction (DNT-Coleman) project in the amount of $1,621,509. (LH)] START TOMORROW. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26. CONSIDER AN ACT UPON AUTHORIZING THE TOWN MANAGER TO EXECUTE A GRADE CROSSING CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT BETWEEN BNSF RAILWAY COMPANY AND THE TOWN OF PROSPER, TEXAS, RELATED TO THE SIGNAL AND SURFACE IMPROVEMENTS AS A PART OF THE FIRST STREET RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF 1,621,509. LINDY. CONTINUE, PLEASE, SIR. STILL FIRST STREET. THIS IS AT THE RAILROAD ITSELF. THIS ONE POINT, A LITTLE OVER 1.6 MILLION, IS ACTUALLY FOR BNSF RAILROAD TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THE WIDENING OF THE PROJECTS. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE JUST A STANDARD SIGNALS. AS THE ROADWAY WIDENS, WE'LL HAVE CROSS ARMS ON BOTH SIDES. SINCE OUR PROJECT ALSO HAS A SIDEWALK COMPONENT WITH IT. YOU'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL WORK WORK THERE AND THE PANELS AND EVERYTHING AT THE ROADWAY CROSSING TO ALLOW FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT. BNSF, AS I MENTIONED, WILL SELF-PERFORM MOST OF THIS WORK RELATED TO THAT, AND THIS IS THE TEMPORARY AGREEMENT TO ALLOW A THE TOWN TO WORK WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF OF THE RAILROAD, BUT ALSO FOR THEM TO DO THE WORK RELATED TO THE SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR LINDY ON THIS ONE. I'M GONNA LOOK THIS WAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. MARKUS REY, SECOND BY CRAIG ANDREWS. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO. THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL A FIRST READING. THAT'S ALL. A FIRST RATE. THAT'S ALL A FIRST RATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. GET HER DONE. YEAH. GET HER [27. Consider and act upon an Ordinance amending Appendix A, “Fee Schedule,” of the Town’s Code of Ordinances. (DB/DLH)] DONE. ALRIGHT. NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS NUMBER 27. CONSIDER AN ACT UPON ORDINANCE AMENDING AMENDING APPENDIX A FEE SCHEDULE OF THE TOWN'S COURT OF CODE OF ORDINANCES. MR. THE IT'S THE DAN SHOW. YES, SIR. DAN AND DAN ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I WILL HIT THE THE PARK FEE COMPONENT. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. HASHMAN TO GET YOU THROUGH THE ENGINEERING SIDE. ONE OF THE REQUESTS I HAD WERE TO JUST KIND OF DETAIL OUT WHAT FEES DO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY LEVY ON, ON RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS. WE HAVE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES. AND THIS IS REALLY FEES THAT ARE BASED ON THE SIZE OF A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH CAN RESULT EITHER IN LAND OR CASH PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES, WHICH ARE REALLY SOLELY BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS, WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY RENTAL FEES. THESE ARE PRIMARILY FOR PAVILION AND FRONTIER AND BALLFIELDS TOURNAMENT FEES. AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT WE WILL ASK ORGANIZATIONS TO PAY IF THEY WANT TO UTILIZE OUR ATHLETIC COMPLEXES. AND THEN FIELD USAGE FEES AND FEES ARE PAID BY THE PARTICIPANTS PRETTY MUCH FROM PROSPER SPORTS COMMISSION. AND BASED ON IT'S BASED ON WHERE THEY LIVE OR GO TO SCHOOL. SO FIRSTLY, PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES CURRENTLY. AND LET ME LET ME ALSO BACK UP AND [01:25:06] SAY WE DID PRESENT THESE TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD. AND THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR. OKAY. SO CURRENTLY WITH PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, WE WILL ACCEPT ONE ACRE OF LAND PER 35 UNITS, ONE ACRE LAND FOR 35 UNITS OF TOTAL ACREAGE. YES, OR 5%. SO IF WE GET A DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN, THAT'S 100 ACRES, WE WILL ASK THEM. WE CAN ASK THEM FOR EITHER FIVE FIVE ACRES OR CHOP UP THEIR THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND GET AN ACRE. PER THE 35 HOUSEHOLDS. WE ARE PROPOSING TO DROP THAT TO ONE ACRE PER 30 UNITS. SO TO INCREASE THAT A BIT AND AGAIN WE HAVE THE OPTION TO TAKE THAT AS LAND OR CASH. SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, IT MAY NOT WORK TO TO GIVE UP THAT MUCH LAND. SO WE WILL DO A ESSENTIALLY IT'S WHAT THE MOST CURRENT TAX APPRAISAL IS ON THAT PROPERTY FOR THE LAND VALUATION PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES. THIS IS REALLY BASED ON THE WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT OR A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT. SO WE'LL CURRENTLY WE'RE GETTING 1500 SINGLE FAMILY OR 2000 PER MULTI-FAMILY. WE'RE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THAT TO 2250 PER SINGLE FAMILY OR 3500 PER MULTI-FAMILY UNIT. OUR PAVILION RESERVATION FEES. AND SO LET ME ALSO MENTION, AS WE GET INTO THE RECREATION FEES, THE PARKS BOARD REALLY DID WANT TO IMPACT THE NON RESIDENTS MORE STRICTLY. NOT IN ALL, NOT IN ALL AREAS. BUT YOU'LL SEE THE MAJORITY OF THE FEE INCREASES WILL BE FOR NONRESIDENTS AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTS. THEY REALLY MOST OF THEM. THEY DID NOT CHANGE SOME OF THEM. THEY DID. SO IN THIS CASE THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE. CURRENTLY, IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT, YOU CAN RENT THE PAVILION FOR 1 TO 100 PEOPLE AT FRONTIER PARK FOR $50, AND THAT'S FOR THE TOTAL. FOR OUR CHUNK WE RENTED IN FOR OUR CHUNKS. IF YOU HAVE OVER 100 PEOPLE, WE CAP IT AT 200. IF YOU HAVE OVER 100 PEOPLE, IT'S $200. FOR THOSE FOUR HOURS. IT'S A PRETTY, PRETTY FRIENDLY RATE. FOR NONRESIDENTS. IT'S $400 PER FOUR HOUR BLOCK. REGARDLESS IF IT'S TEN PEOPLE OR 200 PEOPLE. OKAY, WE IN PRESENTING TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, THEY WANTED TO CHANGE IT UP A LITTLE BIT. THEY WANTED TO KEEP THE FOUR HOUR WE DISCUSSED MAYBE DECREASING THAT THOSE HOUR RENTAL BLOCKS. THEY SAID WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT FOUR, BUT THEY WANTED TO ESSENTIALLY CREATE ANOTHER CATEGORY. SO INSTEAD OF 1 TO 100 OR 100 OR 100, 1 TO 200, THEY WANT TO GO 1 TO 50, 51 TO 101 HUNDRED PLUS. SO THEY ADDED ESSENTIALLY A SECOND CATEGORY. YOU DO SEE THE RESIDENT RATE STAY CONSTANT AT 50 FOR THE 1 TO 50, BUT DOES INCREASE TO 75 FOR 51 TO 100 AND THEN 100 FOR THE 100 PLUS WHICH IS ACTUALLY A DEDUCTION. THE NON RESIDENT RATE THEY KEPT IT 500. SO THEY DID INCREASE THAT ONE. AGAIN REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THAT TO 500. SO AND THE REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT IT'S 100 ACROSS THE BOARD REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT SIZE OUR YOUTH SPORTS FIELD USAGE FEES. THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO THIS. AND THESE ARE FEES THAT ARE YOUTH SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS CHARGE THEIR PARTICIPANTS. SO IF YOU ARE A PARTICIPANT WHO LIVES WITHIN THE TOWN OF PROSPER, YOU'LL PAY $10 ADDITIONAL PER SEASON. AND THAT COMES TO THE TOWN. AND WE USE THOSE DOLLARS TO HELP BUY CHALK, PAINT, FERTILIZER, ANYTHING THAT REALLY GOES IN THE BALL. FIELD MAINTENANCE. IF YOU LIVE OUTSIDE THE TOWN BUT GO TO A PROSPER SCHOOL, IT'S $30. AND IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE TOWN, DON'T GO TO A LOCAL SCHOOL, THEN IT'S $50. AND PARKS BOARD FELT THAT THESE WERE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH. AND THESE ARE REALLY LEVIED BY THOSE YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS. SO PROBABLY OUR SINGLE BIGGEST FEE REVENUE. WHEN YOU THINK OF THE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF KIDS THAT PARTICIPATE, AND THIS IS FOR ALL OUR SPORTS THAT USE OUR FACILITIES, IT'S QUITE A BIT I DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL. I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANT. OTHER RENTALS. WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF OF FIELDS. AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE SYNTHETIC TURF AND WE HAVE GRASS FIELDS. SO FOR THE SYNTHETIC CURRENTLY, REGARDLESS OF YOUR RESIDENT OR NONRESIDENT, WE CHARGE $70 AN HOUR. PARKS BOARD ASKED TO KEEP THAT FOR THE RESIDENTS AT 70, BUT TO INCREASE IT UP TO 125 FOR A NONRESIDENT GRASS FIELD. RESERVATIONS CURRENTLY GRASS FIELDS IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF 35 AN HOUR NONRESIDENT $45 AN HOUR, THEY AGAIN WANTED TO KEEP THE RESIDENT THE 35, BUT TO INCREASE THE NONRESIDENT FROM [01:30:03] 45 TO 70, WE GET LOTS OF REQUESTS FOR FIELDS, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY ISSUES. EVEN WITH THE INCREASED RATES IN GETTING THAT TOURNAMENT RESERVATION FEES. AND I CAN GO THIS LINE ON BILATERAL IF YOU WANT ME TO. I KNOW YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS, BUT ESSENTIALLY OUR CO-SPONSORED ORGANIZATION TYPE THAT'S PISC THAT'S THAT'S OUR CO-SPONSORED. CURRENTLY THEY PAY FOR A TOURNAMENT AND THESE ARE FOR TWO DAY TOURNAMENTS. IT'S $25 FOR A TEAM PER TEAM. PARKS BOARD ASKED US TO PROPOSE THAT TO GO TO 60 FOR AN ADDITIONAL DAY. SO IF FOR WHATEVER REASON WE MAY HAVE A HOLIDAY WEEK OR WEEKEND, EXCUSE ME, FOR EACH ADDITIONAL DAY THE TEAM WOULD PAY FOR PAY 15. CURRENTLY, THEY ASK TO BUMP IT TO 40 DEPOSITS PER FIELD. THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES. THAT'S $100 CURRENTLY. THEY WANT TO LEAVE IT THERE. MINIMUM FEE FOR A TOURNAMENT. WE GET ALL KINDS OF REQUESTS. SO IT COULD BE A FOUR TEAM TOURNAMENT. IT COULD BE ANYWHERE UP FROM THAT. WHATEVER WE CAN HANDLE OVER THE COURSE OF A 2 OR 3 DAY TOURNAMENT, RIGHT NOW, WE GET A MINIMUM FEE OF 500. THEY WANT TO BUMP THAT TO 1250. WE ALSO HAVE NO GATE FEE PROPOSED. I KNOW THE COUNCIL WENT BACK AND FORTH ON WHETHER WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA. WE PROPOSED 10% OF THE GATE FEE GOING UP. RESIDENT NON CO-SPONSOR. SO THIS WOULD BE YOU LIVE IN, YOU LIVE IN PROSPER. YOU MIGHT HAVE A SELECT TEAM OR AN ORGANIZATION THAT HOSTS SELECT TEAMS. THE CURRENT IS $25 PER TEAM PER TEAM FOR TWO DAYS TOURNAMENT PROPOSING TO KEEP IT AT 25. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME DISCREPANCY THERE. AND I THINK THE THOUGHT BEHIND THIS WITH THE WITH THE PARKS BOARD WAS THESE WOULD ALL BE RESIDENTS. A LOT OF OUR CO-SPONSOR LEAGUES AND TEAMS, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE 80% RESIDENT. SO I BELIEVE THAT WAS WHY THEY'RE GIVEN THIS, THIS AND A LITTLE BIT OF BREAK, BECAUSE THEY FEEL THESE ARE ALL STILL RESIDENTS, THE PER TEAM. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY BUMPS. NO, NO DIFFERENCE FOR THE DEPOSIT PER FIELD. AND THEN THE MINIMUM MINIMUM FIELD, MINIMUM TOURNAMENT FEE GOING FROM 3 TO 750, AGAIN BUMPING THE GATE FEE TO 10% FROM NOTHING. AND THEN A NON RESIDENT NON CO-SPONSOR. SO YOU DON'T LIVE IN PROSPER. YOU DON'T PARTICIPATE IN PISC. CURRENTLY WE GET $50 FOR A TWO DAY TOURNAMENT PER TEAM. THEY WANT TO BUMP UP TO 75 FROM 30 TO 60 FOR EACH ADDITIONAL DAY DEPOSIT. THEY DID GO UP $100 PER FIELD, AND THEN A MINIMUM FEE FROM 1000 TO 1500. AND AGAIN, SAME WITH THE GATE FEES. SO A LOT OF INFORMATION GOING BACK AND FORTH THERE. AND THAT'S IT FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. DO YOU MIND IF WE TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ON THE PRESENTATION FROM PARKS AND REC. THAT'S A LOT RIGHT. THERE IT IS. YES. CAMERA. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. HOW MANY HOW MANY TOURNAMENTS DID WE DO LAST YEAR? WE WERE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE 5 OR 6. SO IT'S NOT WE DON'T DO A TON. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T OFFER PROBABLY RIGHT BEFORE I GOT HERE, RIGHT AFTER. I KNOW WE STARTED HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS WHEN MR. COTTON WAS ON, WAS ON COUNCIL. I KNOW HE'S GOT GRANDSONS TO PLAY. AND WHEN WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION, WHY AREN'T WE OPENING THESE FACILITIES TO TO POSSIBLY MAKE SOME REVENUE. SO IT'S IT'S WE WE GET SOME WE HAVE SOME REGULARS, BUT WE'RE STILL PROBABLY IT'S LESS THAN TEN. DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE THE AVAILABILITY OF THE FIELDS FOR TOURNAMENTS AS MUCH. I MEAN JUST WITH, WITH SO MUCH USE WITH THEM, WITH OUR RESIDENTS AND STUFF. GREAT QUESTION. SO WE WILL WE ONLY PROVIDE THAT IF WE HAVE NOTHING BOOKED. SO TREVOR HELTON KEEPS THE BOOKS AND ALL THE RESERVATIONS FOR OUR FIELDS. HAS THE FIRST CHOICE. SO A LOT OF THESE PROBABLY HAPPEN DURING SUMMER TIME FRAME. WE'RE NOT REALLY WE'RE NOT REALLY IN LEAGUE PLAY. THERE MIGHT BE SOME SOME COUPLE GAMES HERE AND THERE, BUT SO I'D SAY PRIMARILY THIS IS MORE HOLIDAY AND SUMMER. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YEAH I'VE GOT ONE AND I GUESS IT'S PAVILION RENTALS AND FIELD RENTALS AND ALL THAT AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENT AND NONRESIDENT. SO HOW DO YOU PREVENT OR CAN YOU, SOME GUY WHO DOESN'T LIVE HERE WANTING TO RENT SOMETHING AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, I GOT A BUDDY WHO LIVES IN PROSPER. I'M GOING TO GO HAVE HIM RENT IT FOR ME. DO YOU HAVE IS DO THEY HAVE TO BE PRESENT DURING THE EVENT? IF WE GET AND AND I'M SURE IT HAPPENS, I CAN'T PROVE IT, BUT I'M SURE IT HAPPENS. IF SOMEONE CALLS AND IS A RESIDENT, WE VERIFY THAT THEY LIVE WITHIN TOWN AND THEY BOOK IT. WE. WE [01:35:04] DON'T HAVE SOMEONE ON SITE TO CHECK A DRIVER'S LICENSE OR MAKE SURE THAT PERSON'S EVEN THERE. YEAH, SO I GOTCHA. YEAH. SO IT'D BE I, I COULD SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT. I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WOULD I WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU'RE PROBABLY PAYING OVERTIME AND ALL THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON COULD RENT IT AND NOT EVEN SHOW UP. ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK WITH THE ESPECIALLY WITH THE NONRESIDENT RATE. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO DETERMINE IS IT ABOUT THE IS IT ABOUT THE REVENUE OR IS IT ABOUT PRESERVING THE SPACE FOR RESIDENTS. WE COULD WE COULD LOWER THAT NONRESIDENT RATE, GET IT A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE RESIDENT RATE. AND I THINK WE WOULD GET THAT. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WOULD GO JUMP THROUGH AS MANY HOOPS TO TRY TO GET THE DIFFERENCE. SOMEONE MIGHT BE WILLING TO PAY 150 TO $200 TO DO THAT IF THEY DON'T LIVE HERE, VERSUS 500 VERSUS 50 OR, YOU KNOW, AS FOR THIS EXAMPLE, YEAH, I, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I AGREE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, CHARGING NONRESIDENTS MORE AND I SO I WOULDN'T COME OFF OF THAT AT ALL. BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, HOW YOU GOVERN THAT HOW YOU POLICE IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I MEAN THERE'S WE'D HAVE TO STAFF IT. SO I MEAN, YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE SOME OVERTIME COSTS AND. YEAH. OKAY. SO A LOT ALONG THAT LINE IS THEN HOW DO YOU DETERMINE IF IT'S 1 TO 50 OR OVER 100 AND ALL THAT SAME SAME DEAL. JUST WHATEVER THEY SAID. SAME DEAL. AND WE WE IT'S NOT. SO WE DO HAVE SOME PARK OPS STAFF THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON THE WEEKEND. WE ASK THEM TO GO BY AND CHECK. THEY WILL GO AND MAKE SURE THE PAVILION IS CLEAR. SO THERE MIGHT BE AN OPTION WHERE WE COULD UTILIZE THAT STAFF PERSON IF WE WANT THEM SITTING THERE WAITING. TYPICALLY IT'S IT'S WHILE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING ELSE. THEY KNOW, HEY, WE'VE GOT TWO TURNS WE HAVE TO DO AT THE AT THE PAVILION. ONE MIGHT BE IN THE MORNING, ONE MIGHT BE IN THE AFTERNOON. SO WE'LL MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S 100% BEFORE OUR, OUR RENTAL SHOWS UP. AND THEN THEY'LL GO HIT, WHETHER IT'S MOWING, IRRIGATION OR ANYTHING ELSE. I MEAN, IF THERE'S AN EVENT FOR TWO HOURS AND YOU TELL THEM, HEY, SOMETIME IN THAT TWO HOURS SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME BY AND ASK FOR THE PERSON WHO RENTED THE FIELD, AND IF THEY'RE NOT THERE, THEN YOU LOSE YOUR DEPOSIT OR SOMETHING. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOME SOMETHING MORE PUNITIVE, YOU KNOW, JUST IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ANYBODY WHO KNOWS SOMEBODY IN PROSPER. OKAY, THEN I CAN GET ARRESTED. I'M SURE IT HAPPENS. YEAH, I'M SURE IT HAPPENS. OKAY. THANK YOU. CRAIG. YEAH. MY MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE THE SPONSORED LEAGUES AND THE TOWN APPROVED LEAGUES. AND OBVIOUSLY I'VE BEEN A BOARD MEMBER OF ONE OF THOSE. I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH. NOT TRYING TO MAKE LIFE MORE DIFFICULT ON THEM. BUT DO WE KNOW I KNOW WE HAVE THE PUBLISHED WHAT IS IT, 8020? YES, SIR 8020 RULE. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY IF WE LOOK AT THE GROSS NUMBERS ON THOSE LEAGUES, IF THERE'S A THOUSAND PARTICIPANTS, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE ARE NONRESIDENTS MEANING NONRESIDENTS? THEY DON'T. THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE DISTRICT. THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY OR THE TOWN OR THE DISTRICT OR OR THEY LIVE IN THE DISTRICT LIKE JUST NON PROSPER. YES, SIR. THEY DO SUBMIT TO US ALL THEIR REGISTRATION PAPERWORK. SO THEY WILL AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THAT WE BELIEVE. BUT THEY WILL WITH WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR CHECK, WE GET A BREAKDOWN OF WHO'S SIGNED UP AND WE AT LEAST CAN REFERENCE ADDRESSES AND, AND THOSE THINGS. SO DO WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT COMPARED TO THE 8020 RULE? YES. OH YES. WE CAN DETERMINE THAT PER LEAGUE PER SEASON. WE DO HAVE THAT THOSE RIGHTS. SO HOW CLOSE ARE THEY GETTING. LIKE WHERE ARE WE AT OKAY I'M SORRY I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW. AND HERE'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE WE JUST TURNED DOWN WE HAD A NEGATIVE VOTE ON A, ON A PARKS BOND. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE RAISING FEES MINIMALLY, IN MY OPINION, OR NOT RAISING THEM AT ALL ON NONRESIDENTS AND WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE ISD OR OUTSIDE OF IT. SO, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE USING THE FIELDS WE HAVE, AND THERE'S IMPACT TO THAT. AND I KNOW THOSE NONRESIDENT FEES. BUT WAY BACK WHEN WE HAD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 2 TO 4% OF THE ENTIRE PARTICIPANT BODY DID NOT LIVE IN PROSPER. THEY MAY HAVE LIVED IN THE DISTRICT. AND EVEN A VERY, VERY SMALL AMOUNT DIDN'T LIVE IN THE IN THE DISTRICT. SO WE KNEW THAT THAT DIDN'T COME NEAR TO COVERING WHAT IT COSTS TO, TO TO MAINTAIN THOSE FIELDS AND TO OBVIOUSLY CONSTRUCT THEM. BUT NOW WE'RE GETTING WE'RE ABOUT TO GET TIGHT HERE THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO I'M ASKING KIND OF THE, THE BOARD, LOOK AT THOSE COMPOSITIONS AND REALLY LOOK AT THAT PIECE OF IT. IS THAT $30 FOR ISD NONRESIDENT? IS THAT REALLY REFLECTIVE? [01:40:01] BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE MORE SCHOOLS COME. THEY'RE BUILT OUTSIDE THOSE BOUNDARIES. THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE NONRESIDENTS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO PLAY WITH THEIR FRIENDS. THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO BRING THEIR TEAMS TO PLAY WITH OTHER PROSPER TEAMS. SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT. I THINK MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. MAYBE THIS ROUND IS NOT THE ONE TO DO IT, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE. WE CAN CERTAINLY WE'VE JUST BASICALLY STARTED SPRING. SO WHEN WE WE CAN GET THE RECORDS ON THE REGISTRATION AND START MAYBE DOING SOME STUDIES ON WHAT, WHAT OUR BREAKDOWNS LOOK LIKE. YEAH, YEAH. MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER. AND I AGREE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD OUR OUR WORK SESSION WITH ALL THE BOARDS AND THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OBVIOUSLY SHED LIGHT ON THE RESULTS OF THE BOND PROGRAM AND CHALLENGING THE BOARDS TO KIND OF RAISE REVENUES. SO I THINK POINT WELL TAKEN. SO I THINK IT'LL BE STAFF'S RESPONSIBILITY AND STAFF LIAISONS TO THESE BOARDS TO TO AGAIN, JUST JUST KEEP THEM ON POINT. KEEP THOSE BOARDS ON POINT THAT HEY THE THE THE ABILITY TO RAISE THE CAPITAL DOLLARS TO MAINTAIN THESE FACILITIES AND CERTAINLY ADD FACILITIES ARE, AREN'T, AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO BE THERE. SO IT'S ABOUT BEING CREATIVE ABOUT HOW TO RAISE REVENUE. SO I THINK ABSOLUTELY I THINK WE'LL KEEP TABS ON THIS AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT MULTIPLE YEARS TO BRING THESE TYPES OF PROPOSALS TO THE TABLE. SO AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT ALL YOU DO, IF YOU ALL DECIDE TO APPROVE THESE, THESE RATES, I DOUBT THAT THESE RATES WILL BE STATIC FOR VERY LONG. AND WE'LL KEEP MONITORING THOSE THOSE ROSTERS OF THOSE, OF THOSE TEAMS. WELL, AT THE HEART OF MY MY QUESTION IS REALLY JUST MAINTAINING ACCESS FOR OUR RESIDENTS, FOR THE FOLKS THAT PAY THE TAXES. THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M KIND OF COMING FROM. SO IT'S NOT I DON'T WANT TO SEE NOT SEE KIDS PLAY TOGETHER. THAT'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE. BUT REALITY IS WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW. SO BUT YEAH, TOTALLY. I THINK IT'S JUST WHEN THE PARKS BOARD REVIEW THESE FEES, IT WAS NOT IN CONTEXT WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED THIS EVENING. SO I THINK I THINK THAT'S FRONT OF MIND FOR EVERYBODY NOW. AND JUST ALSO, I MEAN, I KNOW IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE OBVIOUSLY WE VALUE THESE ORGANIZATIONS. EVERYBODY UP HERE KNOWS WHAT PASO HAS DONE FOR US IN THE PAST YEAR, OVER $1.4 MILLION IN DONATIONS FOR OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND PBSA ALSO HAS MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS TO FRONTIER PARK, WITH PRACTICE FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. WE'RE NOT OUR FIELD SPACE. OUR OUR ATHLETIC FACILITIES AREN'T GROWING AS QUICKLY AS PROBABLY WHAT OUR WHAT OUR PARTICIPANTS, OUR CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING LIKE. SO. RIGHT. WELL, AND OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T WANT TO BREEZE BY THE FACT THAT WHAT THEY'VE DONE VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT BECAUSE THE SITUATION IS WHAT IT IS. WE CAN EASILY WE CAN EASILY GET THOSE NUMBERS AND WE'LL START TRACKING THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER RAY. YEAH, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE RESIDENT NONRESIDENT. I, I DON'T WANT TO AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I'D LIKE TO GO BACK UP TO THE FEES THAT WE'RE ASSESSING FOR, LIKE MITIGATION WHATNOT. AND OKAY. PARK DEDICATION, PARK DEDICATION. I'M SORRY. I STILL HAVE A CONCERN WITH. WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE AS FAR AS LIKE HAVING THE OPTION. YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING THAT WE'RE WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF IN PROSPER AS WE START TO DEVELOP IS LAND. AND SO HAVING A CASH EQUIVALENT AT POINT IN TIME IS CONCERNING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS, TWO YEARS, ONE YEAR LATER, THAT LAND IS WORTH SO MUCH MORE MONEY AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SHORTAGE OF, OF PARK SPACE IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL. AND WE JUST ALLOW A FEE TO BE PAID. SO I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, BUT WITH THAT, I THINK THAT THE ALSO THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS IT'S THE APPRAISED LAND VALUE. SO THAT DOES THAT MEAN AGRICULTURAL LAND IS APPRAISED AT THE AGRICULTURAL PRICE? BECAUSE THAT WOULD THAT'S A HUGE. YEAH. OR THE IMPROVED VALUE. IT'S, IT'S COLLIN COUNTY OR I'M SORRY, DENTON OR COLLIN COUNTY. DCAD OR SO THAT WOULD BE THE AG VALUE. THAT IS THE MARKET VALUE WITH AN AG EXEMPTION I BELIEVE. SO, SO SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, SAY THE MARKET VALUE, NOT THE, THE APPRAISED VALUE, JUST TO, TO AT LEAST GET SOMETHING MORE. YEAH. AND MY, MY STRONG PREFERENCE WOULD BE ON THE LAND DEDICATION VERSUS THE, THE CASH EQUIVALENT. THAT IS THE FIRST THING WE GO AFTER IS THE. OKAY. YEAH. WE'RE USUALLY LOOKING AT THE WHAT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. I DO SAY I'M SORRY. SAY SAY IT ONE MORE TIME. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. WHERE WHERE DO WHERE ARE THOSE PARKS GOING TO BE LOCATED? IF IT'S ADJACENT TO THE LOCATION OF A [01:45:03] FUTURE PARK, THEN WE WE WANT THE LAND FIRST. SO. OKAY. AND THEN GOING TO THE FEES, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SECTION, I KNOW KEEP GOING. NOT THE PAVILION FEES. I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK OVERALL I APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, OUR FEES ARE SO LOW, RIGHT? I VOICED MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE 10% GATE FEE. AND HOW DO YOU YOU KNOW, WE'RE CREATING A LOT OF OPERATIONAL COMPLEXITY THAT DOESN'T NEED TO EXIST. I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FEES PER TEAM BEING WHAT WAS IT, I CAN'T REMEMBER, IS IT $25? HERE WE GO. YEAH. FEES PER TEAM. TEAM FEE FOR A TWO DAY TOURNAMENT. CURRENT IS $25. THAT TEAM PAYS $25 TO USE THE FIELD FOR TWO DAYS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WHAT WE GET. SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR OTHER FEES. SO WE'LL WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THIS IF THEY COME OUT, IF THE, THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR COMES IN AND SAYS, WE'VE GOT AN EIGHT TEAM TOURNAMENT, WE WANT TO RUN, THEN WE WOULD CHARGE THEM. YEAH, $25 ON TOP OF THE MINIMUM FEE, THE DEPOSIT PER FIELD AND THEN ANY ANYTHING ELSE THAT FALLS IN HERE. YEAH. I JUST YOU TAKE AN AVERAGE TEAM OF 8 TO 10 PLAYERS DIVIDED BY 25. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MATERIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY AT ALL. MOST. WHEN MY KIDS PLAYED SPORTS, I REMEMBER FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE PAID A LOT MORE THAN THAT JUST TO TO BE IN TOURNAMENTS. SO NOW THE TOURNAMENT. THE TOURNAMENTS WILL PROBABLY CHARGE 3 TO $400 PER TEAM, SO AND MOST LIKELY THEY'LL JUST TACK THAT ON TO WELL YEAH. AND I'M SAYING $25 IS MINIMAL. SO I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS I KNOW THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY FEEL WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY, THE ONES THAT ARE. BUT TO US THAT WILL HAVE KIDS PLAYING ON OUR FIELDS, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE GIVING THEM A HECK OF A DEAL, AND OUR STAFF PUTS A LOT OF TIME INTO THE FIELDS TO MAINTAIN THEM, TO KEEP THEM AT QUALITY LEVEL. AND I WOULD I HAVE CONCERNS WITH HOW LOW THESE ARE. SO MAYBE SO TO, I BELIEVE TO THE TOWN MANAGER'S POINT HERE, I'D LIKE TO GET THESE IN PLACE AND THEN I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE PARKS BOARD REVISIT THEM PER OUR CONVERSATIONS TODAY. BUT SO I'M GOING TO URGE AN UPDATE TO THESE TONIGHT WITH THE STAFF DIRECTION. LET'S CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THEM. IS THAT WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE AS WE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I ALMOST THINK THAT WE LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR FEE SCHEDULES, OUR ENFORCEMENT SCHEDULES, YOU KNOW, ON A ON A SCHEDULED BASIS. IT MEANS POLICY. YES. RIGHT. SO BIANNUAL AS LONG AS WE HAVE A FUTURE DATE OF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET BUSY AND WE WON'T LOOK AT IT. I LOOK TO THE TOWN MANAGER AND THE PARKS DIRECTOR TO I THINK SOME OF THIS WAS AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE WERE PRETTY GOOD. PRETTY GOOD DEAL. WE ALSO WANTED TO INCREASE IT AT A, AT AN APPROPRIATE I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT INAPPROPRIATE BUT APPROPRIATE RATE. SO WE'RE NOT A LOT OF THESE TEAMS ALREADY HAVE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE THEIR BUDGETS READY TO GO. SO IT'S WE DON'T WANT TO KILL THEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN WHEN THEY'VE ALREADY KIND OF DETERMINED WHAT WHAT THEIR EXPENDITURES ARE GOING TO BE. SO. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE PARKS BOARD WAS CONSIDERING. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO UP TEN TIMES ON SOMETHING OR. OKAY. THANK YOU. CORRECT. YEAH. I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. SORRY. THE GATE FEE IS THAT HOW DOES THAT CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT HOW THAT WORKS? YES, SIR. I KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT YEAH, MOST OF THESE TOURNAMENTS WILL CHARGE PARENTS A TICKET TO, TO GET IN. AND SO THEY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE TOURNAMENTS HOW, HOW, HOW HIGH IT GOES. I'VE BEEN TOLD WE'RE 15 TO 20 BUCKS A HEAD, MAYBE MORE. AND SO THE IDEA WAS, LET'S SAY THEY HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE COME OUT AT TEN BUCKS. DO WE DO WE ASK THEM TO FOR US TO GET A PIECE OF THAT? AND I, I, I MEAN, I'VE EXPERIENCED THAT BEFORE. AND AND IF YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING IT, IT'S JARRING. SO WHAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO TO THE AQUATIC CENTER AND YOU'RE GOING INTO FRONTIER, WHAT DO YOU DO? THEY TELL YOU, HEY, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO A GAME, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT. OR DO THEY JUST TAKE IT. SO THIS WOULD BE AS YOU'RE WALKING. SO THIS SO THINK ABOUT FIELDS 678 UP BY THE FIELDS. THERE'S A GATE. SO YOU CAN STILL GET IN AND OUT OF THE PARK OKAY. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT CHARGING AT THE GATE. IT'S NOT FOR CAR. IT'S GOING TO BE AS YOU'RE WALKING UP TO THE UP TO THE FIELD. TO THE FIELD. JUST. SIR. OKAY. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT IT WHEN I SAW GATE, I WAS THINKING THE GATE LIKE THE ENTRANCE. I UNDERSTAND, AND I KNOW IT WOULD BE ACCESS TO THAT [01:50:05] COMPLEX. I GOT YOU, OKAY? YES, SIR. NEVER MIND THEN. THAT'S. YES. OKAY. CAN WE MOVE TO THE OTHER DAN? I'M SORRY. CAN WE MOVE TO THE OTHER DAN? OH, ABSOLUTELY. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. MAYOR, COUNCIL, SIMILAR PARK FEES, THE FEES THAT WERE ADOPTED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2526 BUDGET WANTED US TO LOOK AT OUR PLAN, REVIEW FEES AND OUR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION FEES. SO WE WENT BACK AND JUST KIND OF DISSECTED THE PROCESSES. YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT STAFF TOUCHED ON ALL THE PROJECTS, THE VARIOUS PROJECTS WE ANALYZED, A VARIETY. WE DOVE DOWN EVEN DEEPER ON THIS PLAN REVIEW AND CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION FEES. THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION FEES DID NOT CHANGE THAT MUCH, I THINK KIND OF HAVE A RED LINE IN YOUR PACKET. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON. I DON'T HAVE THE THE CURRENT FEE, BUT THESE ARE ALL THE PROPOSED FEES. THE BASE FEE WENT UP. THE BASE FEE IS MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. WE KNOW EVERY PROJECT HAS A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING, A FINAL ACCEPTANCE PROCESS. SO WE KNOW WE'RE TOUCHING IT BY MULTIPLE STAFF FOR THE BASE FEE. SO REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE, WE SET A ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. AND THEN THE SIZE OR THE NUMBER OF LOTS CAN DICTATE HOW MUCH MORE WE COLLECT ON IT. SO THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION FEES REALLY DID NOT CHANGE. WE THOUGHT WE WE ANALYZED THAT FAIRLY CLOSELY THE LAST TIME WE DO. WE DID SEE A LOT OF ROOM IN THE PLAN REVIEW FEES. WE WEREN'T RECOUPING COSTS, IF YOU WILL, ON ALL THE STAFF THAT DID PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN REVIEW. SO WE WENT BACK AND CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS. WE WE KIND OF COMPARED MULTIPLE PROJECTS FOR THE PAST 2 TO 3 YEARS. WE ACTUALLY COLLECTED WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE WE TALKED WITH STAFF, HOW MUCH TIME WE SPENT ON REVIEWS. WE LOOK BACK IN THE REVIEWS AND HOW MUCH TIME IT TOOK. AND WE CAME UP WITH THESE PROPOSALS, PROPOSAL FEES, ADJUSTMENTS. SO SIMILAR TO THE THE BUDGET, WE I JUST PUT THEM TOGETHER IN THE COMPARISON TO THE SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES. WE DIDN'T COMPARE ALL OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T ALL HAVE AN APPLES TO APPLES TYPE APPROACH TO THE WAY THEY COLLECT FEES. BUT WE DO FEEL LIKE FRISCO MCKINNEY AND TO SOME DEGREE DO FOLLOW A SIMILAR PROCESS. SO WE WE WANTED TO SHOW FOR COMPARISON WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES. IN THE GRAPH YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE THE OLD WHICH WAS THE PRE 2526 FISCAL BUDGET, THEN WHAT WAS CURRENTLY ADOPTED, AND THEN OUR NEW PROPOSED FEES. AND IN ADDITION TO MCKINNEY, FRISCO AND SALINA, I WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THESE TWO NEXT SLIDES. THIS ONE IS WE ALSO WENT WE TOOK A DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN OUR NEIGHBOR CITIES. WE WENT ON A LOT PER LOT BASIS, NOT AN ACREAGE BASIS. WE FEEL WE ARE ANALYZING DEVELOPMENT MORE CLOSELY. WHEN WE LOOK AT IT ON A PER LOT. IT HAS MORE LATERALS AND SEWER SEWER LATERALS AND WATER SERVICES AND METERS. THE GRADING IS DIFFERENT RETAINING WALLS. SO THIS PROJECT THAT AND THIS WAS A VERY SIMILAR SLIDE IN THE BUDGET HAD A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AND FLOODPLAIN FOR LET YOU KNOW IT WAS IT WAS LEGACY GARDENS PHASE THREE. LEGACY GARDENS, PHASE FOUR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF OPEN SPACE, BUT IT HAS A LOT MORE LOTS COMPARED TO. SO IF A FRISCO MCKINNEY DID THE LEGACY GARDENS THREE, THEY TOOK IT ON AN ACRE BASIS. WE LOOKED AT IT ON A LOT BASIS. SO WHEN WE ARE COLLECTING ON A LEGACY GARDENS PHASE FOUR, YOU CAN SEE HOW OUR FEES ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. SO WE WE TRY TO RECOUP WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY REVIEWING. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE APPROACH WE'RE TAKING. SO IT'S I THINK YOU KIND OF NEED TO LOOK THE TWO SLIDES SIDE BY SIDE WHILE WE'RE WHILE THE ONE WE USED, WE USED THE COMPARISON OF A, A PROJECT THAT HAS A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AND FLOODPLAIN, AMONG OTHER THINGS, ONE THAT HAS SOME OPEN SPACE, JUST THEY HAVE LITTLE POCKET PARKS, THEY LANDSCAPE BUFFERS. BUT WE WE TAKE OUR APPROACH ON A MORE OF A LOT BY LOT BASIS. AND WE CAME UP WITH OUR CURRENT NUMBERS. SO THAT'S I WANT TO DEFINITELY JUST KIND OF SHOW THAT THE TWO SLIDES SIDE BY SIDE WHILE THEY LOOK. IF YOU COMPARE THEM TO FRISCO MCKINNEY, WHY ARE THERE DIFFERENT IS BECAUSE WE LOOK AT IT A LOT BY LOT BASIS, NOT BY A PER ACRE BASIS. THEN WE LOOK AT ALSO OUR NON RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS. WE LOOKED AT LARGE PROJECTS, THE 30 ACRE TRACT, A TEN ACRE TRACT AND THEN A THREE ACRE TRACT AGAIN DISSECTED THE IT WAS REALLY THE PLAN REVIEW IS WHERE WE WE SAW THAT WE WE WERE NOT NECESSARILY MATCHING WHAT THE EFFORT STAFF WAS PUTTING INTO A PLAN REVIEW. SO WE ADJUSTED THOSE NUMBERS ON ON PLAN REVIEW FOR, AGAIN, A 30 ACRE PROJECT, A TEN ACRE PROJECT AND A THREE ACRE PROJECT. ALL CURRENT PROJECTS WE ACTUALLY HAVE. THERE'S VERY SIMILAR PROJECTS WE HAVE IN THE TOWN OF PROSPER. SO IT WAS EASY [01:55:04] TO KIND OF GAUGE THOSE ON ON TIME AND EFFORT STAFF WAS PUTTING ON INTO THEM. AND THEN WE ALSO ANALYZED OUR MULTIFAMILY, THE TIME AND EFFORT WE'RE PUTTING INTO MULTIFAMILY, WE SAME THING. THE MULTIFAMILY THESE DAYS ARE GETTING A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. SO THE TIME AND EFFORT STAFF NEEDS TO TO DO FOR PLAN REVIEWS. WE CRUNCH NUMBERS AND OUR HAVE THE NEW PROPOSED PLAN REVIEW FEE. ONE THING THAT FRISCO MCKINNEY DOESN'T EITHER WE DO ALSO IN THE IT'S ON THAT RED LINE. WE ACTUALLY COLLECT FEES ON THINGS OUTSIDE THE FOOTPRINT. IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN A MEETING OPENING AND TURN LANES THAT IS NOT CAPTURED IN FRISCO MCKINNEY. BUT WE WE WE RECOGNIZE WE ARE PUTTING TIME AND EFFORT INTO REVIEWING AND INSPECTING THOSE FACILITIES THAT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO OUR SCHEDULE FEES THAT DID NOT CHANGE, THOSE DID NOT NECESSARILY CHANGE, BUT THOSE ARE ALSO INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN. REVIEW FEES IN THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION FEES THAT WE COLLECT. I KIND OF WENT THROUGH THAT QUICK, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON ON THOSE QUESTIONS FOR DAN. YEAH, I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON INSPECTIONS. WE OUTSOURCE ANY OF THAT. OR IS THAT STILL ALL IN-HOUSE FOR FOR ENGINEERING? IT'S ALL IN-HOUSE. WE DO NOT OUTSOURCE INSPECTIONS. I'M SORRY ON INSPECTIONS. CORRECT. WE DO NOT OUTSOURCE INSPECTIONS FOR ENGINEERING INSPECTIONS. KIND OF USED TO. AND THERE MIGHT STILL BE LIKE SOME FIRE I KNOW, LIKE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS ALL THAT. BUT BUT FOR ENGINEERING IT'S ALL IN-HOUSE INSPECTIONS OKAY. AND THEN ALSO I GUESS WE DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM FRISCO ON THEIR PLAN REVIEW. SO SO THEY, THEY LUMP EVERYTHING INTO ONE FEE. SO WHILE IT LOOKS ALL IT'S A DARK, DARK BLUE, THEY LUMP IT INTO THE CONSTRUCTION FEE. BUT TALKING WITH THE FRISCO COUNTERPARTS, THAT INCLUDES THEIR PLAN REVIEW FEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL? YES, SIR. MAY I WANT TO MAKE SURE ON PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, WE WANT TO HAVE ONE ACRE OF LAND AT ASSESSED VALUE. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? NOPE. I DO NOT WANT IT. I WANT IT AT MARKET VALUE, NOT ASSESSED VALUE. AND I RECOGNIZE NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT THERE SHOULD BE ON THE TAX, THE CAD. IT WILL GIVE A MARKET VALUE AND A TAX ASSESSED VALUE. IT WILL SHOW THE AMOUNT OF THE EXEMPTION ON THERE OKAY. MARKET VALUE AS REFLECTED BY EITHER BY THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, NOT FAIR MARKET VALUE. YEAH I DIDN'T SAY FAIR MARKET. BUT IF I UNDERSTAND I'VE LOST MY FINANCE PEOPLE. CHRIS ON THE ON BOTH COLLIN AND DENTON COUNTY. AS YOU LOOK AT THE TAX APPRAISAL, IT WILL HAVE THE ASSESSED VALUE AND THEN IT WILL GIVE THE NEXT THE EXEMPTIONS TO THAT. YES. SO ON BOTH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT WEBSITES, FOR EACH PARCEL, IT'LL LIST THE MARKET VALUE AND THEN GIVE YOU NET OF ANY OF THE EXEMPTIONS FOR THAT PROPERTY, THE ASSESSED TAXABLE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY. SO I WOULD LIKE IT TO SAY THE MARKET VALUE, NOT WHAT THE EFFECT ON THE CAD WEBSITES ON THE APPROPRIATE COUNTIES. OKAY. APPRAISAL DISTRICT. AND THEN WITH THE THE GATE FOR THE PARKING FOR THE TOURNAMENTS IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE. WE'RE GOING TO ADD A 10% GATE FOR A 10%. I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT PARTICULAR. I DON'T MIND IF WE WAIT FOR THAT MOTION. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AGREEMENT ON THAT YET. SO ALSO ON THE THE PARKLAND PIECE, IT'S STILL OUR OPTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S THE THING. IT'S YES. YEAH I WANT TO RETAIN THAT. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD HAVE A MOTION THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE MARKET VALUE PORTION AND ANY OTHER COMPONENTS THAT YOU WISH. EXACTLY HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO READ, BUT I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. WELL, THE MOTION BE MOVED TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WITH AN AMENDMENT TO THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE TO REFLECT ONE ACRE OF LAND AT THE MARKET VALUE, AS DETERMINED BY THE APPROPRIATE APPRAISAL DISTRICT WEBSITE, AND NO CHANGE TO THE. IS THAT WHAT THE READING THOUGH? BECAUSE IT'S. IT'S ONE ACRE FOR THAT'S THE FEE BUT BUT IT'S ALL THE REST OF IT SHOULD REMAIN CORRECT TERRY. THE REST OF IT WHERE YOU GET THE CHOICE TO DETERMINE HOW WE DETERMINE THE ACREAGE, THE VALUE OF THE ACRE. OKAY. AND YEAH, I HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE GATE FEE, THE 10%. OKAY. OKAY. SO I DON'T HEAR IN YOUR MOTION ANY CHANGE TO THE PROPOSAL. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY. SO YOU DON'T WANT ANY PERCENTAGE OF THE GATE THAT OTHER THAT I THINK THAT YOU'RE CHARGING. IT FEELS GREEDY. I'D MUCH RATHER UPFRONT [02:00:07] THE FEE BE STATED IN THE FEE THAT THE PAY PER TEAM, AND THAT THE FEES PER TEAM BE APPROPRIATE TO OUR SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES. YEAH, I AGREE, I MEAN, I THINK PAYING FOR ENTRANCE FEE IS GREEDY INITIALLY. AND JUST THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW IS STAFF GOING TO CALCULATE 10% OF AND THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH. YEAH. AND THE OTHERS I THINK IF YOU DO THAT THE WHOEVER'S RUNNING THAT IS GOING TO GO, HEY THE TOWN'S CHARGING US THIS FEE. MARK IT UP FOR US. YEAH. SO JUST MAKE IT PART OF YOUR, YOUR YOUR REGULAR FEES AS PART PER TEAM FEE. GOOD POINT. I BELIEVE THE PARKS DIRECTOR HAS SOMETHING TO SAY TO THIS. THAT'S FINE. WE COULD CHANGE OUR POLICY TO NOT ALLOW THEM TO CHARGE A GATE FEE AT ALL. I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAPPY. SO WE JUST TELL THEM WHEN THEY COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE DOING X, Y, Z, AND WE'LL JUST SAY WE DON'T ALLOW A GATE FEE, I WOULD AGREE. YEAH, I THINK THE PARKS BOARD WOULD SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE ALL THE PARENTS THE PEOPLE ARE PAYING ARE THE PARENTS WHO JUST PAID THE ALL THE OTHER FEES THAT YOU JUST. YEAH. CORRECT. SO YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO REVISE THE MOTION OR. I'M SORRY. IT'D BE TO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR I THOUGHT WE ADDED IN A 10% OF THE GATE FEE. NO, WE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE DIDN'T ADD IT IN. OH, IT SAYS OKAY, IT SAYS ADOPTED. I JUST ON THE CHART. WE PROPOSED IT. YEAH. IT WASN'T IT WASN'T IT WASN'T ADOPTED. SO IF IT'S NOT ADOPTED WE WE DON'T NEED TO ADD IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE'S NO GATES PRESENTLY. NO. BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE IT SPECIFICALLY THAT AND NO GATE FEE CAN BE CHARGED PERIOD. MEANING WE'RE TELLING THE ANYONE. CORRECT. ACCORDING TO DAN, THAT'S THAT'S THE CURRENT CURRENTLY WE WE DON'T TAKE ANY PERCENTAGE. WE DO HAVE TOURNAMENTS WHERE THEY DO CHARGE A GATE FEE. AND I THINK WE WOULD PREFER THAT WE JUST TELL THEM IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN PROSPER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REFLECTED. I THINK MAYBE YOU JUST MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE JUST REMOVE GATE FEE ALTOGETHER. AND THEN IN OUR I WON'T I DON'T THINK IT'D BE REFLECTED IN THE, IN THE FEE PORTION OF THIS. WE HAVE TO GO TO OUR POLICIES FOR TOURNAMENTS AND JUST TELL THE ORGANIZERS, OKAY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. SO I DON'T I THINK IT'S TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS. I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD SAY NO TO THE I THINK YOU JUST REMOVE THE GATE FEES ALTOGETHER. OKAY. WOULD BE WHAT I RECOMMEND. AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK ON OUR JUST INTERNAL POLICIES WITH WHEN WE WHEN WE DEAL WITH ORGANIZATIONS WHO WANT TO DETERMINE FEES DON'T HAVE TO BE CHANGED. THE FEE ORDINANCE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CHANGED. IT'S JUST A POLICY YOU ALL HAVE TO CHANGE ABOUT. THERE IS THERE IS ONE ITEM IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WHERE IT DOES SHOW A GATE FEE, AND I THINK IT'S THE CO-SPONSOR. I MAY BE WRONG. SO WE JUST WE NEED TO STRIKE THAT, MAKE THE MOTION AND HAVE OKAY ZERO ON GATE FEES, ELIMINATE ANY YES FOR ALL ORGANIZATION TYPES. YOU JUST SEND ME A TEXT WITH THAT. OKAY. OKAY. AND SENT YOU A MOTION. NO. HE WOULD BE ABOUT OH OKAY. OKAY. HE SAID STRIKE THE SECTION ON. THANK YOU. EVELYN. ON GATE FEES. DAMN, DAMN. DAMN. NO. HEALING. HEALING HEALING HEALING HEALING. OKAY, SO, JEFF, WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR MOTION? WHAT DID I SAY TO APPROVE IT WITH THE THE THE MARKET VALUE ISSUE AND THAT WE WOULD STRIKE ANY REFERENCE TO GATE FEES. THERE YOU GO. IN THE FIELD. THAT'S A GOOD MOTION. I SAID THAT'S A GOOD ONE. I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION SECOND FROM MARCUS RAY. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. NOW [28. Discussion regarding the Town’s Roundabout Policy. (HW/RG)] WE GET TO TALK ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 28 IS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TOWN'S ROUNDABOUT POLICY. HULON WEBB AND ROBERT GAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL. YES, I'M SURE AS YOU HAVE ALL DRIVEN AROUND OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, YOU CAN TELL ROUNDABOUTS ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE POPULAR. WHILE THE TOWN DOES HAVE TWO AND WE WE DO HAVE A SOME OTHER PLANNED IN THE FUTURE. I KNOW THE COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST IN LOOKING AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AROUND TOWN. SO THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON ROUNDABOUTS, SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS, SO THAT WE CAN START WORKING ON POLICY, DEVELOP THAT POLICY TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WHAT'S OUR PREFERRED INTERSECTION TYPES AND WHY. NOW WHY IS THE NEED NOW? WELL, WE GOT A LOT OF ROADWAY PROJECTS UNDER DESIGN AND FUTURE PROJECTS PLANS. SO SOONER WE KIND OF GET A GRASP ON THIS, THE SOONER WE CAN MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO ANY OF OUR CURRENT DESIGNS AND EVEN FUTURE DESIGNS. SO WHEN THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT THE INTEREST IN DOING ROUNDABOUTS STAFF, WE LOOKED AT WHAT INTERSECTIONS ARE POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD DO SIGNALS OR ROUNDABOUTS. SO WE [02:05:06] LOOK AT THIS MAP AND GO, OH WOW, 140 OR 104 POSSIBLE INTERSECTIONS. THAT'S A LOT. SO WE'RE JUST LIKE, WHAT ARE WE? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET OUR HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THIS? AND SO WE LOOKED AT SOME EXPERTS IN ROUNDABOUTS AT KIMLEY-HORN TO REALLY COME AND EDUCATE OUR STAFF ON WHAT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROUNDABOUTS AND SIGNALS, HOW THESE WORK. AND THEN TO HELP GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE ON SETTING PARAMETERS ON WHEN DO WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, EVEN DOING A STUDY TO SEE WHICH IS WHICH IS THE BEST OPTION? SO FROM THAT WE CAME OUT WITH THIS. ROUNDABOUTS 101 EDUCATIONAL INFORMATION. SO TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT THE ROUNDABOUT 101 COURSE TO YOU HERE. AND AND GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW STARTING WITH FROM VENKAT MUTHU KUMAR WITH KIMLEY-HORN. HE'S GOING TO RUN YOU ALL THROUGH THAT, THAT ROUNDABOUT ONE ON ONE. AND TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN FACTS BETWEEN ROUNDABOUTS AND SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS. AND THEN FROM THAT, EXCUSE ME, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO ROBERT GUY, WHO'S OUR SENIOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, AND HE'LL WALK YOU ALL THROUGH CURRENT AND PROPOSED INTERSECTION CONTROLS TYPES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE TOWN AND ADJACENT TO THE TOWN. OPPORTUNITIES DETERMINE FUTURE INTERSECTION CONTROL TYPES AND IN CONSIDERATION FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE POLICY GUIDANCE. SO YOU ALL HAVE MAPS IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU ALL GOT A COPY OF THE DRAFT POWERPOINT LAST WEEK. YOU KNOW IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. SO I JUST WANT TO CALM YOUR FEARS. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE ANY MOTIONS OR I'M NOT GOING TO TEXT TERRY FOR ANY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK. AND FROM THAT IT'S JUST REALLY TO GIVE ALL THE INFORMATION TO YOU, LET YOU ABSORB IT AND JUST REALLY GET SOME FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU, YOUR THOUGHTS ON MOVING FORWARD. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO VENKAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL PREFACE THIS IF YOU FEEL OR SENSE ANY KIND OF BIAS TOWARDS ROUNDABOUTS, IT MIGHT BE A REASON FOR THAT. A LARGE PART OF MY PRACTICE IS ROUNDABOUTS, BUT I'M HERE JUST TO STATE FACTS ABOUT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS. ALRIGHT, SO THROUGHOUT MY PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'LL TALK ABOUT A COUPLE GENERAL INFO ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS GOING TO PROS AND CONS, TALK ABOUT COST AND THEN TYPICAL CAPACITIES BICYCLE AND ACCOMMODATIONS AND THEN EMERGENCY VEHICLE RESPONSE. SO WHAT ARE ROUNDABOUTS. THEY'RE MODERATELY SIZED CIRCULAR INTERSECTIONS WHERE TRAFFIC FLOWS COUNTERCLOCKWISE. ENTERING VEHICLES YIELD TO CIRCULATING TRAFFIC. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC AS THEY APPROACH INTERSECTIONS. SO IN MODERN ROUNDABOUTS, THERE'S FOUR TYPES. IN THE TOWN OF PROSPER, YOU PROBABLY ONLY GOING TO SEE SINGLE LANE AND MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS, WHICH ARE PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCERNED ABOUT. BUT THERE ARE FOUR TYPES. YOU GET MINI ROUNDABOUTS, COMPACT SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUTS. THOSE ARE PRETTY SIMILAR. THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO IS THAT THE MINI ROUNDABOUTS HAS A FULLY MOUNTABLE ISLAND. COMPACTS HAVE A CENTER ISLAND FOR LANDSCAPING, BUT THESE ARE VERY SMALL INTERSECTIONS, SINGLE LANE, A LITTLE BIT LARGER BUT CARRY A LITTLE BIT MORE CAPACITY AND A MULTI-LANE CARRY THE MOST CAPACITY. YOU HAVE MULTIPLE LANES IN THE INTERSECTION. SO I PUT THIS IN HERE JUST FOR A PERSONAL REASON. BUT MODERN ROUNDABOUTS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, PROBABLY IN EUROPE WITH THE TRAFFIC CIRCLES THAT THEY HAVE THERE AND LARGE ROTARIES THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN. THOSE DON'T HAVE THE PROPER SPEED CONTROL AND DEFLECTION THAT YOU SEE WITH MODERN ROUNDABOUTS THAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IN DFW, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC CIRCLES. THOSE ARE GREAT, BUT THEY ARE KIND OF CIRCLES DROP IN THE MIDDLE OF LIKE TYPICAL INTERSECTIONS. SO LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, SPEED CONTROL IS A BIG ASPECT OF THESE. THE GOAL IS TO SLOW VEHICLES DOWN AS THEY APPROACH THESE INTERSECTIONS WITH MANY ROUNDABOUTS. WE'RE LOOKING AT 20 MILES PER LOW SPEED, SINGLE LANE GOALS TO HAVE 25MPH BELOW AND MULTI LANES UNDER 30. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE AROUND 28MPH. SO A COUPLE PROS OF SIGNALS. BIG THING ABOUT SIGNALS IS THAT THEY'RE VERY EFFECTIVE FOR HYBRID VOLUMES. PART REASON FOR THAT IS YOU CAN CAN TIME SIGNALS TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR CITIZENS TO CROSS THROUGH LEFT TURN MANAGEMENT WITH PROTECTIVE PHASES IS A BIG ASPECT OF THESE. YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE TURNING LEFT AT THE SAME TIME AND INTERSECTIONS, AND YOU CAN ALSO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN TIME FOR THEM TO SAFELY MANEUVER THE INTERSECTION. OVERALL, SIGNALS HAVE A LOT CAPACITY. WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER. AND THEN WITH CORRIDORS, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE A COORDINATED [02:10:03] SYSTEM. FOR EXAMPLE PRESTON ROAD, YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF SIGNALS ON IT. IDEALLY, IF IT'S TIME PROPERLY, YOU CAN GET GREEN LIGHTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PROPER SIGNAL TIMING EVERY YEAR. AND ANOTHER PRO IS DRIVERS ARE JUST MORE FAMILIAR WITH SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO CONS T-BONE CRASHES ARE THE BIGGEST ASPECT WITH SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS. THEY'RE MORE PRONE TO IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE THE CONFLICTING PATHS, THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS AND HIGHER SPEEDS. THERE'S DELAY DOES INCREASE WITH CONGESTION, BUT CAN BE MANAGED WITH SIGNAL TIMING. AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE THAT ARE REQUIRED BY SIGNALS. SO JUMPING INTO ROUNDABOUTS PROS WE'LL JUMP INTO THE TOP TWO BULLET POINTS IN A LATER SLIDE. BUT OVERALL THEY ARE SAFER. YOU CAN GET REDUCED DELAY AND OFF PEAK PERIODS, WHICH IS GREAT. AND THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR RETIMING. NO NEED FOR ACTUATION ON OFF PEAKS, NO NEED FOR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT OR MONITORING EQUIPMENT. SO MAINTENANCE IS PRETTY LOW AND THEN THEY'RE OVERALL JUST A LITTLE BIT PRETTIER. THE INTERSECTION THEY INSTALL. SOME CONS THEY'RE PRETTY PRICEY A LITTLE BIT MORE PRICEY THAN SIGNALS STAGING OR CONSTRUCTIONS PRETTY DIFFICULT. AND DESIGNS VERY COMPLICATED. IT'S VERY EASY TO GET WRONG. IN THE NEW REQUIREMENTS. THERE'S SOME PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS THAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED AND THEN YIELDING TRAFFIC AND IMPEDE TRAFFIC PROGRESSION DURING PEAK PERIODS. SO NOT YOU CAN'T GET AS MANY GREEN LIGHTS AS YOU DO WITH SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. ALSO, AND OVERALL, DRIVERS ARE LESS FAMILIAR WITH ROUNDABOUTS. ALL RIGHT. SO THE CONFLICT POINTS THAT I HAVE RIGHT HERE ARE FOR A STANDARD LIKE ALL WAY STOP INTERSECTION VERSUS A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT. IT DOES INCREASE A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU HAVE A LARGER TRAFFIC SIGNAL INTERSECTION. BUT THESE ARE JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AVERAGE AMOUNTS. BUT 32 CONFLICT POINTS FOR A REGULAR FOUR WAY STOP AND THEN EIGHT CONFLICT POINTS FOR A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT. THE BIGGEST THING I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT THE AMOUNT OF CROSSINGS IS ZERO AT SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT. SO THE MOVEMENTS THAT YOU CAN MAKE AT INTERSECTIONS LEFT THROUGH AND RIGHT, YOU'RE KIND OF MIMICKING THAT RIGHT TURN MOVEMENT AT ROUNDABOUTS. SO IT'S VERY SAFE. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT T-BONE COLLISION LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE. AND DRIVERS ARE ALSO DRIVING SLOWER. SO IT MAKES LESS FATALITIES HAPPEN. SO COSTS MANY ROUNDABOUTS AT MOST MAY COST 1.2 MILLION. SINGLE LANE 1 TO 2.5 MILLION. AND THEN MULTI-LANE WE'RE LOOKING AT AT UP TO $3 MILLION. THESE ARE AVERAGE AMOUNTS. THEY CAN KIND OF PUSH AND PULL. AND THEN TRAFFIC SIGNALS ARE $850,000 FOR SIGNAL EQUIPMENT. CONVERSION COSTS. SO WE TYPICALLY SEE SIGNAL ROUNDABOUTS. THOSE WILL LEAN TOWARDS THAT $3.5 MILLION FIGURE I MENTIONED. TYPICALLY YOU'LL SEE THE PAVEMENT COMPLETELY RIPPED OUT AND WE'LL REDO THE PAVEMENT FOR ROUNDABOUTS. AND THOSE EXTENTS GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT. SO BUT FROM ROUNDABOUT THE SIGNAL WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL COST FOR THE SIGNAL, WHICH IS 850 PLUS AROUND LIKE 1.5 MILLION FOR SOME CURB AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND POSSIBLE STREET LIGHTING AND MAYBE SOME UTILITY RELOCATIONS. MAINTENANCE COST. I THREW UP A DOLLAR FIGURE UP THERE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY IT'S ZERO, BUT IT'S PRETTY MINIMAL. WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE SOME LANDSCAPE COSTS YEAR TO YEAR. AND THEN EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT SIGNAGE AND STRIPING IMPROVEMENTS TO BE REDONE. SIGNALS. I LISTED A LOT HERE, BUT THERE IS A LOT TO MAINTAIN AT SIGNALS. WE'RE LOOKING AT YEARLY ELECTRICAL COST TO REPLACE SIGNAL HEADS EVERY TEN YEARS, DETECTION EQUIPMENT EVERY 5 TO 15 YEARS. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DO A SYSTEM REHAUL EVERY 25 YEARS. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT $850,000 COST AGAIN EVERY 25 YEARS. CAPACITY. WE'RE LOOKING AT AROUND 25,000 ANNUAL DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUME FOR SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT AND UP TO 45,000 FOR A TWO LANE MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUT. SIGNALS CAN GET UP TO 60,000 OR MAYBE EVEN MORE. SOME INTERSECTIONS CAN GET UP TO $80,000 80,000 VEHICLES A DAY, BUT THAT REQUIRES A LARGER CYCLE LENGTHS [02:15:05] AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BICYCLE AND PED ACCOMMODATIONS. SO I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE BIKE LANES IN PROSPER, BUT YOU TYPICALLY BIKE SHARE THE ROAD IF THERE IS A HEAVY BIKE, VOLUMES ON CERTAIN CORRIDORS THAT HAVE ROUNDABOUTS WILL HAVE BIKE RAMPS TO KIND OF GO INTO THE SIDEWALK, AND IT WILL BE ON PART OF THE SHARED USE PATH, OR THEY CAN MANEUVER THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT AS IS AS A REGULAR PASSENGER VEHICLE, PEDESTRIAN ISLAND REFUGES ARE STANDARD AT MOST ROUNDABOUTS. PEDESTRIANS CAN QUEUE UP IN THE ISLANDS AND THEN ONLY HAVE TO CROSS 26FT AT MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS. AT SIGNALS, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD. A MARKED CROSSWALK SIGNALS WAIT FOR THAT PED TO GIVE THE WALK SIGNAL. BICYCLE DETECTION IS ALSO A POSSIBLE THING TO INCLUDE FOR SIGNALS. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, EMERGENCY RESPONSE CONSIDERATIONS. AT ROUNDABOUTS, YOU GENERALLY MAINTAIN FLOW. IF YOU ARE AT THE ENTRIES AND YOU SEE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE PASS THROUGH, YOU DO NOT ENTER THE CIRCULATORY. YOU LET THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE PASS THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. IF YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION, YOU CONTINUE YOUR PATH AND THEN PULL OVER ON THE SIDE TO LET THE VEHICLE PASS YOU ON THE EXITS. THAT BEING SAID, I'LL PASS IT OFF TO ROBERT. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ROBERT GUY. I'M THE SENIOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE POLICY REGARDING SIGNALS AND ROUNDABOUTS. OBVIOUSLY, SIGNALS AND ROUNDABOUTS, THEY BOTH SERVE TO ASSIGN RIGHT OF WAY AT INTERSECTIONS, BUT THEY DO IT IN A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT WAY. SO WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING THESE WE NEED TO CONSIDER ALL ROADWAY SYSTEM USERS PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLES, TRUCKS, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND WHAT IS GOING TO CREATE THE LOOK AND FEEL FOR FOR THE TOWN THAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING. SO THIS IS A VERY KEY DECISION WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. SO. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS TELL YOU AND SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE WITH SIGNALS AND ROUNDABOUTS. AND WE PASSED MAPS OUT JUST SO THAT YOU COULD SEE IT CLOSER IF, IF YOU NEED. SOMETIMES IT GETS A LITTLE BIT SMALL UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT THAT'S ALL THAT REASON THAT WAS PASSED OUT FOR THEN WE'RE GOING TO. NARROW IT DOWN WHERE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE DECISIONS. LIKE YOU SAID, WE'VE GOT PROJECTS UNDER DESIGN AND WE'VE GOT MORE COMING. SO THIS IS PERFECT TIME FOR US. THIS MAP SHOWS EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND ROUNDABOUT LOCATIONS. WE HAVE TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND THE REST ARE TRAFFIC SIGNALS. SO THAT GETS US DOWN TO FROM 104 DOWN TO 59 POSSIBLE INTERSECTIONS TO STUDY. IF WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON CONVERTING ROUNDABOUTS TO SIGNALS OR SIGNALS TO ROUNDABOUTS, AND THAT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY. THERE'S JUST A COST FACTOR THERE. WE HAVE FOUR LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING ROUNDABOUTS. ONE OF THOSE IS FIRST STREET THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND APPROVED WITH THE FIRST STREET PROJECT AND A COUPLE OTHER LOCATIONS HERE, RICHLAND BOULEVARD AND. ANYWAY, SO THERE'S THERE'S FOUR MORE THAT ARE PLANNED OR APPROVED. WE ALSO HAVE NEIGHBORING CITIES THAT ARE PLANNING ON ROUNDABOUTS, AND SALINA HAS THREE UP ALONG PARMAN ROAD. TO GET TO OPPORTUNITIES TO DETERMINE FUTURE INTERSECTION TYPES. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ONES THAT WE DON'T CONTROL. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE NOT POTENTIALLY RECOMMENDED FOR ROUNDABOUTS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE CAN REASONABLY MAKE A DETERMINATION. SO THIS MAP IN BLUE SHOWS INTERSECTIONS THAT THE TOWN DOESN'T CONTROL. 380 IS TEXDOT AND IT'S OPERATED BY THE CITY OF FRISCO. AND A COUPLE OF INTERSECTIONS ARE [02:20:02] OPERATED BY MCKINNEY ON THE WEST SIDE. 1385 IS A TXDOT FACILITY. WE DON'T CONTROL THAT ON THE EAST SIDE, CUSTER ROAD AGAIN, TEXDOT AND THOSE ARE OPERATED BY OTHERS, AND FRONTIER AGAIN OPERATED BY OTHERS. PRESTON OPERATED BY TEXDOT. AND. PRESTON PROBABLY WOULDN'T REALLY BE AN IDEAL CORRIDOR FOR ROUNDABOUTS. WE REALLY WANT TO MOVE THROUGH TRAFFIC. SORRY. SO. WE GRAY THOSE OUT AND WE LOOK AT WHAT ROADS PROBABLY WE SHOULDN'T CONSIDER FOR ROUNDABOUTS. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY THE SIX LANE ULTIMATE ROADS ARE NOT IDEAL FOR ROUNDABOUTS. THEY GET VERY COMPLICATED. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE SIX LANES, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT HAVING A DESIRE TO MOVE THROUGH TRAFFIC. SO IF YOU HAVE ROUNDABOUTS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FROM ROUNDABOUT TO ROUNDABOUT YIELD TO GET IN AT LEAST DURING PEAK HOURS AND THEN MOVE ON SO WE CAN'T PROGRESS TRAFFIC LIKE WE CAN WITH COORDINATED TRAFFIC SIGNALS. WE LOOK AT DALLAS PARKWAY, PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ROUNDABOUTS FOR INTERSECTIONS, INTERCHANGES WITH DALLAS PARKWAY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW. REALLY ON THE SIX LANE ROADS, THE WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON THE INTERSECTIONS WITH THE MINOR THOROUGHFARES. YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES WHERE THE INTERSECTION IS, NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, THE CONFLICTING MOVEMENTS ISN'T THAT HIGH. SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME ROOM TO THINK ABOUT THOSE. IF OUR PRIORITY ISN'T REALLY NECESSARILY MOVING THROUGH TRAFFIC. SO WE'LL GET BACK TO SOME OF THESE IN A MINUTE. SO IF WE ELIMINATE THE ONES THAT IS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT MAYBE WE DON'T LOOK AT OR WE'RE DOWN TO JUST THE GOLD STARS HERE. AND POSSIBLE STUDY INTERSECTIONS IS DOWN TO 34. THERE'S STILL ROOM TO DISCUSS SOME OF THOSE OTHER INTERSECTIONS IN TERMS OF POLICY LATER, BUT JUST FOR. THE SAKE OF TRYING TO GET TO A POLICY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE THE STAFF LINE OF THINKING HERE, THEN WE WANT TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THESE INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE MOST LIKELY THAT WE CAN DETERMINE POLICY FOR. ALL. RIGHT. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT POLICY GUIDANCE WE WANT TO FIGURE OUT SORRY. YEAH YEAH I JUST GOT A QUESTION. SO IN SOME OF THESE LIKE FIRST AND PROSPER TRAIL NOT NOT THOSE TWO INTERSECT BUT THOSE STREETS, THOSE ARE NOT SIX LANE STREETS. AND YOU'VE GOT THE TOWN'S NOT RECOMMENDED TO BE STUDIED. TOWN CONTROL WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO STUDY, BUT THEY'RE NOT SIX LANE THOROUGHFARES. SO LIKE WHERE WE POTENTIALLY ARE LOOKING TO PUT A LIGHT, YOU'RE SEEING THAT YOU WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S A IT'S TWO LANES. WHICH INTERSECTION WAS THAT. WELL I'M LOOKING AT FIRST STREET PRIMARILY AS YOU GO INTO WEST SIDE AND THEN ALSO ON PROSPER TRAIL WHERE WE DON'T HAVE AN INTERSECTION OR A LIGHT THERE NOW. I MEAN, RIGHT, THOSE AREN'T SIX LANE. WELL, PROSPECT HILL WILL BE EVENTUALLY. NO, I DON'T THINK IT WILL. I THINK THOSE ARE FOUR LANES. YEAH. YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THOSE WOULD NOT BE A CONSIDERATION. YEAH. WELL SOME SOME OF THESE ARE OTHER OPERATIONAL ISSUES. LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT FIRST STREET TO THE WEST OF WHERE THE TOWN HALL IS, THERE'S A RAILROAD TRACK RIGHT THERE, AND IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE RAILROAD TRACK. AND IT WOULD MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO CLEAR VEHICLES OFF THE TRACK. RIGHT. THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT I'M THINKING OF THE ONES WHERE WE DON'T HAVE AN INTERSECTION. BUT THERE THERE'S RED DOTS, RIGHT? I'M LOOKING PERMANENTLY AT THE RED DOTS. SO YEAH, WHEN YOU'RE SEEING THE COST AND I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT, THE COST THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS INCREASED IS FACTORING IN CONSTRUCTING THE ENTIRE INTERSECTION. WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT THE INTERSECTION IF IT'S NOT ALREADY CONSTRUCTED. AND THERE'S THAT COST ALREADY. SO THAT'S A FIXED COST THAT COULD OFFSET. WHAT WE WON'T HAVE IS THE INCREASED COST OF THE LIGHTS. THAT AVERAGING RIGHT NOW, WHAT, $700,000 AN INTERSECTION. RIGHT. SO REALLY IT'S IT'S A NET SAVINGS, RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE COST OF THE INTERSECTION LIGHTS. AND [02:25:01] IF YOU DON'T IF WE HAVEN'T CONSTRUCTED THAT INTERSECTION YET AND WE LOOK AT A ROUNDABOUT, IT'S GOT A RED DOT THERE, I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHY. TAKE IT OFF THE MAP. I MEAN, WHY IT WOULD BE A GIVE US A SPECIFIC LOCATION. I'M THINKING PROSPER TRAIL. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE A. RIGHT HERE. YEAH, WELL YOU'VE GOT WHAT IS THAT LEGACY. NO, NO POSSIBLE INTERSECTION STUDIES. SO RIGHT HERE PROSPER TRAIL AND LEGACY. AND YOU'VE GOT STUDY. WELL YEAH. BUT THEY'VE GOT A RED DOT THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY I SEE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. COUNCIL MEMBER SHOW SHOW. SHOW ME WHERE THAT IS ON THE MAP WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO HE WAS LOOKING AT PROSPER TRAIL AND LEGACY. SO YOU HAVE KIND OF THE STUDY INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE STARS ON EITHER SIDE OF PROSPER TRAIL. BUT AT OH THAT'S LIKE OKAY. SO AGAIN THAT'S JUST FOR THE CONVERSATION THEN I'M NOT A GREAT INPUT FOR US AS WE LOOKED AT IT. NOT SAYING THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE SAYING IS THE ULTIMATE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, YOUR FEEDBACK. BUT AT FIRST BLUSH WE WERE LOOKING AT ANYTHING THAT'S ON A SIX LANE, THAT FUTURE SIX LANE THAT INTERSECTS THE FOUR LANE. SO WHILE HE'LL GET TO THE PRESENTATION, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PUTTING THEM ON FOUR LANES THAT AREN'T AT A SIX LANE INTERSECTION. THE FUTURE OUR STANCE WAS RECOMMENDING NOT PUTTING A ROUNDABOUT THERE BECAUSE IT COULD GO TO A SIX LANE IN THE FUTURE DOESN'T MEAN SO TO YOUR POINT, YOU COULD SAY, HEY, LET'S DO PROSPER, TRAIL AND LEGACY. AND THEN AT THE TIME DOES COME SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE. KIND OF LIKE SALINAS DOING IF IT HAS TO BE AN IT HAS TO BE A SIGNAL WHEN IT BECOMES SIX LANES, THEN YOU TEAR THE ROUNDABOUT, ROUNDABOUT OUT AND THEN PUT THE SIGNAL. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE LINE IS DOING. SO TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S GOOD INPUT. IF YOU'RE SAYING THE COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK AT AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SIX LANES IN THE FUTURE THAT HAVE AN INTERSECTION WITH A FOUR LANE ULTIMATE, HEY, LET'S, LET'S LET'S KEEP THAT OPEN AND NOT YEAH, STRIKE IT. I WOULDN'T TAKE IT OFF THE MAP BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY IS IT A SAVINGS IN WHICH YOU COULD CONSTRUCT, YOU INCREASE THE THROUGHPUT. YOU KNOW, HAVING A ROUNDABOUT I KNOW FOR THIS AREA ROUNDABOUTS ARE FAIRLY NEW, BUT THEY'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND THEY'RE VERY EFFICIENT TOOLS. SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THEM COMING IN IN SALINE AND MCKINNEY. I WOULD HATE TO HAVE SO MANY RED DOTS OUT OF CONSIDERATION WITHOUT US ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THIS. MAYBE A DEEPER LEVEL, FOUR LANE AT AN ULTIMATE SIX IF IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTED YET, WELL, KEEP IT, KEEP IT VIABLE. BUT IT MAY NOT GO TO SIX. CORRECT. BUT IT'S NOT SIGNALIZED YET. YEAH. KEEP IT IN. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TO ALLOW IT TO BE STUDIED. YEAH. NOT WE'RE NOT SAYING IMPLEMENT IT. JUST BE ALLOW IT TO BE STUDIED. YES I AGREE WITH THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I JUST WANT TO TAKE THAT THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE I'M A AND I'M GOING TO KUWAIT ROAD BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT, THAT THAT'S SLATED FOR SIX LANES, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE FOUR LANES RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. AND YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT A STAR AT I ASSUME THAT'S GENTLE CREEK, GENTLE CREEK AND COYOTE IS WHERE THAT STAR IS. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE YOU'LL STUDY THAT FOR A ROUNDABOUT. BUT IF IT GOES TO SIX LANES IT HAS TO HAVE A STOPLIGHT. IS THAT. YEAH. IF WE WOULD LET ROBERT HE'S ABOUT TO KIND OF I CALL IT PEEL BACK THE ONION OKAY. AND GIVE YOU AND GIVE YOU SOME POLICY OPTIONS OKAY. SO POLICY ONE I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD COMMENT WE GOT THERE. AND THEN LET'S, LET'S PEEL THAT BACK. AND THEN TO YOUR POINT THERE'S SOME OPTIONS TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER. COUNCIL MEMBER BEFORE. AND MAYBE THIS FLOWS INTO PEELING BACK THE ONION. BUT WHAT I'M WONDERING TOO IS DEPENDING ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES AND MAYBE YOU'VE ALREADY FACTORED THESE INTO YOUR KIND OF RECOMMENDING WHAT WHAT ARE THE RED DOTS VERSUS WHAT ARE THE, YOU KNOW, MORE FAVORABLE EASE OF ACQUISITION OF RIGHT OF WAY, YOU KNOW, OR DOES THE ROUNDABOUT TAKE MORE? CAN IT BE MORE CHALLENGING TO GET RIGHT AWAY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS? AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS CONCERNING. YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS, IF YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, THERE SOME COMMERCIAL. I KNOW WE HAVE TRUCK ORDINANCES AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS AS WELL, BUT SOMETIMES YOU GET INTO A TURNING RADIUS ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T LET 18 WHEELERS RUN AMOK, WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE 18 WHEELERS DELIVER THINGS. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE LADDER TRUCK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAS ALL THIS BEEN FACTORED INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE PEELING BACK THE ONION. MAYBE NOT. IT ABSOLUTELY IS IS A CONSIDERATION. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT EACH CORRIDOR'S PRIMARY PURPOSE YOU KNOW IS IT MORE LOCAL. ARE WE SERVING RESIDENTIAL USES. IS IT COMMERCIAL FOR THE CORRIDOR. AND THE CORRIDOR MAY BE PIECES OF IT. YOU MAY SAY ON. I DON'T [02:30:04] KNOW, THE IMMEDIATE INTERSECTION OR TWO EAST AND WEST OF DALLAS PARKWAY. HEY, WE NEED TO GET TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THAT FACILITY, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BUSINESSES AND OTHER THINGS THERE. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT? AS WE GET CLOSER TO TO 380, IT'S THE SAME WAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT HIGH VOLUME. IT'S GOING TO TURN INTO MORE OF AN EXPRESSWAY. FREEWAYS KIND OF LOOK, WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO GET THERE WITH SOME OF THE OVERPASSES, AND THE NEXT PHASE IS GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE SO. SO WE NEED TO FACTOR THAT IN THERE ALSO. THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW ARE WE GOING TO SERVE THE LOCAL TRANSPORTATION NEEDS. IS IT GOING TO MEET RESIDENTIAL USES. WE TALKED ABOUT FOR ROUNDABOUTS LET'S SAY LEGACY GOES TO SIX LANES. WE ALREADY HAVE INQUIRIES. SOME RESIDENTS THAT SAY, WELL, GEEZ, WE WE DON'T. EVEN WITH FOUR LANES, HAVING OUR STUDENTS CROSS FROM ACROSS TWO LANES TO THE TO LARGE WIDE MEDIAN AND THEN THE OTHER TWO LANES TO GET TO SCHOOL. THEY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO WITH A ROUNDABOUT, IS YOU'RE GOING TO CROSS THEM BEFORE OR AFTER THE ROUNDABOUT. SO A TRAFFIC SIGNAL PROBABLY HANDLES PEDESTRIANS BETTER BECAUSE YOU CAN HIT THE WALK BUTTON AND YOU CAN CROSS. NOW THAT'S NOT PERFECT EITHER, BECAUSE SOMETIMES DRIVERS TURN ACROSS CROSSWALKS WHEN PEDESTRIANS ARE DROPPING. BUT IT'S IT'S BETTER THAN MAYBE NO CONTROL. THEN THE OTHER THING THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS HOW IS IT GOING TO SERVE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY? A LOT OF TIMES, BUSINESSES LIKE TO BE LOCATED AT MAJOR INTERSECTIONS. THEY WANT DRIVEWAYS CLOSE TO THOSE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS. ROUNDABOUTS DOESN'T. YOU NEED A FAIRLY LARGE PARCELS TO BE ABLE TO GET DRIVEWAYS IN AND OUT. ALL VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PARCELS ARE STILL UNDEVELOPED. SOME OF THEM WE GOT RESIDENTIAL. WHEN YOU ARE WHEN WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAY ALREADY PURCHASED OR WE'RE ACQUIRING RIGHT AWAY, IF THERE IS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, ARE WE GOING TO NEED TO PURCHASE SOMEBODY'S PORTION OF THEIR BACK YARD OR SIDE YARD? AND WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH ROUNDABOUTS? DOES A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WORK BETTER? BUT LET'S SAY WE HAVE A CORRIDOR WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO CALM TRAFFIC. A SERIES OF ROUNDABOUTS MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO CALM TRAFFIC ON CORRIDORS THAT ARE PRIMARY. PURPOSE ISN'T TO MOVE THROUGH TRAFFIC. SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS FOR POLICY TO THINK ABOUT. BUT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND SOME OF THESE FACTOR IN. AND WE'RE TRYING TO JUST THROW SCENARIOS OUT JUST TO LOOK AT THEM AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET TO A POLICY AND WHAT KIND OF THINGS DOES COUNCIL WANT TO SEE TO DEVELOP THOSE POLICIES AND TELL STAFF, HEY, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT NOW. EVEN IF YOU TELL STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENGINEERING ANALYSIS. IS IT GOING TO REALLY WORK AT A LOCATION? IS THE COST GOING TO BE EXCESSIVE AT A PARTICULAR INTERSECTION INTERSECTION LOCATION? AND ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT THERE, PERHAPS WITHOUT TAKING EXCESSIVE RIGHT OF WAY AND MAYBE DOING SO MUCH DAMAGE TO A PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE TO CONDEMN THE WHOLE THE WHOLE PARCEL, AND WE JUST NEED TO THINK ABOUT, THINK ABOUT OUR BUSINESS AND, AND RESIDENTIAL PARTNERS. THANK YOU. SO. WE'RE WE'RE URGENTLY TRYING TO GET TO PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER DESIGN. SO IF WE WANT TO MAYBE SWITCH GEARS OR MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY FOR ROUNDABOUTS, WE NEED TO KNOW SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, LIKE COIT ROAD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND AND THAT'S KIND OF THE THE BIG BIRD'S EYE VIEW ON THINKING ABOUT POLICY FOR ROUNDABOUTS. THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL TRANSPORTATION MODES, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. SO, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE JUST PUT THREE POSSIBLE SCENARIOS TOGETHER FOR FOOD FOR THOUGHT. CONSIDER ROUNDABOUTS AT THE MINOR THOROUGHFARES. CONSIDER SOME ROUNDABOUTS ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. CONSIDER HYBRID AND THEN. ANYWAY TAKE A TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE. SO OPTION ONE CONSIDER ROUNDABOUTS FOR ALL MINOR THOROUGHFARES. THOSE ARE THE FOUR LANE ROADS. AND THOSE ARE WHAT THE LOCATIONS WOULD BE. THERE'S A LOT OF ROUNDABOUTS THAT WOULD BE UP FOR CONSIDERATION IF WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT, LOOK AT AND CONSIDER DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER THOSE ROUNDABOUTS. THAT'S WHAT THAT [02:35:02] WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THERE'S 24 LOCATIONS THERE. THAT'S JUST JUST SAYING THAT WAS A POLICY. SO IF WE GRADE THOSE OUT AND WE SAY, ALRIGHT, WE'RE WE'RE WE'VE DIRECTED STAFF TO DO THAT. CONSIDER SOME ROUNDABOUTS ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. SO THESE ARE INTERSECTIONS GENERALLY WITH MINOR INTERSECTIONS ON POTENTIAL FUTURE SIX LANES. AND WE COULD STILL HAVE INTERIM CASES WHERE IF THERE ARE FOUR LANES WE STILL WANT TO LOOK AT THAT. BUT THIS IS WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR MINOR INTERSECTIONS. AND PROSPER TRAIL IS STILL ON THERE EVEN THOUGH IT'S IT'S IT'S A THOROUGHFARE. IT'S A T INTERSECTION AT PROSPER TRAIL AND TEAL. SO THE CONFLICTS IS SOMEWHAT REDUCED THERE. SO WE JUST SAID POSSIBLY KEEP AN OPEN MIND THERE. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT A FEW ON ON COIT. SO ANYWAY NEXT OPTION IS CONSIDER SIGNALS FOR ALL THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. WE ALSO PUT SOME. FIRST STREET AND LOVERS, WHICH IS THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING AND USE THERE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S I GUESS OFFICE WAREHOUSE WITH SOME TRUCKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO SOMETIMES HATE TO INTERRUPT REAL QUICK. DO WE HAVE A SHORT LIST OF ONES WE'VE NOT DESIGNED AS OF YET THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THOSE FIRST? BECAUSE IF WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNED IT WITH AN INTERSECTION, WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY TO REDESIGN IT. ABSOLUTELY. SO IF YOU CAN GIVE US A SHORT LIST OF THAT, THAT'D BE A VERY EFFICIENT WAY FOR US TO LOOK AT THIS. YEAH, YEAH. DO WE HAVE THAT LIST? PERFECT. RIGHT. INTERSECTIONS HAVE ANOTHER LAYER WITH INTERSECTIONS THAT AREN'T AREN'T DESIGNED YET. OPTION FOUR IS KIND OF I GUESS IT'S YEAH, THE POLICY OPTION FOUR IS KIND OF A HYBRID. ONE OF THEM WAS HEAVIER ON, THE FIRST ONE WAS HEAVIER ON ROUNDABOUTS, SECOND ONE WAS HEAVIER ON SIGNALS. AND THEN THIS ONE IS SORT OF A HYBRID. I DON'T THINK THAT ANSWERS COUNCILMAN RAY'S POINT. NO. WE CAN GO BACK A COUPLE OF MAPS THAT SHOW ALL THE THE ONE MAP THAT SHOWS ALL THE POSSIBLE LOCATIONS THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT AND HIGHLIGHT THE ONES THAT AREN'T. THEY CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE INTERSECTIONS DESIGNED. RIGHT. IF THEY'RE ALREADY DESIGNED, HE'S SAYING, DON'T WASTE, LET'S NOT WASTE SOME MONEY. DON'T WASTE THE MONEY. RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH, BUT MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE AND YOU KNOW, I'M ONLY ONE OF SEVEN, BUT IF WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT, IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE. YOU GOT GREATER THROUGHPUT. AND I THINK IT'S A VERY EFFICIENT WAY TO GET PEOPLE THROUGH AND ABOUT TOWN. IF WE'VE NOT DESIGNED IT, WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I REALLY I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR ME TO COMMENT AT THIS POINT, BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE THROWN OUT SOME THESE ARE KIND OF BLANKET OPTIONS, WHICH I KNOW THIS IS DIFFICULT. THIS THERE'S A LOT TO THIS. I VERY MUCH LIKE ROUNDABOUTS. I'VE SEEN THEM IN ACTION AND AND OXFORD, MISSISSIPPI. AND THEN YOU'VE ALL READ THE STORIES ABOUT WHAT IS IT, CARMEL, CARMEL, INDIANA BEING VERY SUCCESSFUL THERE. I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN KIND OF GRADE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. WHERE DOES IT TICK THAT BOX, LIKE YOU SAID, WITH WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNED IT OR WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT, YOU KNOW, IS THE IS THE RADIUS SUCH THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SCORES HIGH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT MUCH RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. IS IT IN A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WHERE IT DOES OR DOESN'T AFFECT, YOU KNOW, IT CREATES PROBLEMS FOR DEVELOPMENT OR FUTURE PROBLEMS FOR DEVELOPMENT? I MEAN, TO ME, LIKE YOU'D HAVE LIKE FIVE, I'M JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS. YOU'D HAVE 5 OR 6 CATEGORIES OF THINGS AND IT GRADES HIGH ON THESE FOUR OR 5 OR 6 OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER AND COMPARE THEM THAT WAY RATHER THAN JUST THROWING OUT A, HEY, I MEAN, IF I HAD MY WAY, YEAH, WE'D HAVE ROUNDABOUTS EVERYWHERE. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE DIE IS ALREADY CAST ON SO MANY OF OUR INTERSECTIONS IN TOWN, WE CAN'T GO BACK. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE, RIGHT? EVEN THOUGH I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT THERE. IT'S LIKE NOW YOU GOT TO REDESIGN IT OR NOW YOU GOT TO TEAR IT UP OR WHATEVER. SO I KNOW MAYBE THAT'S OFF THE OFF THE RECOMMENDATION MAP, BUT THAT'S THE WAY MY MIND WORKS. AT LEAST IT KIND OF GOES TO, I MEAN, WHEN BEING ON THE BOND COMMITTEE, I MEAN, WE, I THINK WE, WE PROGRAMED 2.5 MILLION PER ROUNDABOUT TO REDO INTERSECTIONS FOR ROUNDABOUTS. AND I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE REDOING NOW FOR FUTURE FUTURE INTERSECTIONS. I THINK I THINK IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO CONSIDER ROUNDABOUTS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS AND HAVE THOSE WITHIN THE STUDY. SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON OUR FUTURE PROJECTS [02:40:04] MORE THAN THE THE REDOS. OKAY. ACCORDING TO THE. ALL RIGHT. SO SO I THINK THE POLICY, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE FOR POLICY SECTION OR SLIDE, YOU HAVE TO LIST THEM ALL. OKAY. I THINK EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD WITH POLICY OPTION ONE. CONSIDER ROUNDABOUTS FOR MINOR THOROUGHFARES. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A CONSENSUS WE HEARD I THINK THEY WE ARE WOULD CONSIDER SOME ROUNDABOUTS ALONG THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. SO THAT'S TWO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I HEARD ANY. SUPPORT FOR THREE WHICH IS ALONG THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AFFAIRS. YEAH. I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT'S A POLICY OPTION THAT WE WOULD WANT. IS THAT DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS GENERALLY ON THAT. AND THEN FOR. IS THE HYBRID OF SIGNALS AND ROUNDABOUTS ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, WHICH I THINK IF YOU USE THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE ONES THAT WOULD BE SYMBOLIC OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE. CORRECT. THAT WAS KIND OF CAPTURING, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING NOT FULLY. THERE'S SOME INTERSECTIONS THERE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE SIGNALS YET, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON A MAJOR CORRIDOR THAT HAS SIGNALS AT OTHER INTERSECTIONS. DO YOU TAKE SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL INTERSECTIONS AND DO A ROUNDABOUT THERE WHEN THE TIME COMES THAT MAYBE A SIGNAL HAS TO GO IN? SO KIND OF A HYBRID OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING DON'T FULLY SIGNAL AS A MAJOR, BUT DON'T GO BACK AND TEAR OUT WHAT'S THERE TODAY IF IT'S A SIGNAL. YEAH I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SUPPORT FOR THAT. YEAH. SO FOR FOR WAS CLOSE BUT IT DIDN'T INCLUDE LIKE CROSS FOR TRAIL AND LEGACY FOR EXAMPLE WOULD BE A GOOD ONE. YEAH. THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. IT'S LIKE 25 YEARS. WE'VE GOT TO REPLACE. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. I MEAN YEAH IT'S SOMEWHAT SOMEWHAT OF A HYBRID OKAY. BUT YEAH I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. MAKE SURE TO HIGHLIGHT OPTION FIVE. PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANT TO I DO SUPPORT THE IDEA THE ROUNDABOUTS AND ALL ALL THE POTENTIALLY APPROPRIATE PLACES FULLY ENDORSE IT. SO OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? YES SIR I HAVE A COUPLE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE ARE THERE ANY IS THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS QUESTION WOULD BE GEARED TOWARDS, BUT IS THERE ANY YOUTUBES OR THINGS THAT WE CAN WE CAN POST FOR OUR RESIDENTS ON HOW TO HOW TO MANEUVER ROUNDABOUTS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE SOME THINGS. WE HAD SOME COMMENTS IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS ABOUT THAT, AND WE OUGHT TO GET THAT TO TODD TO, TO POST ON, ON SOME OF OUR. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN WE CAN POST SOME VIDEOS ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE. WE WERE JUST ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT TODAY, THAT SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES HAVE SOME VIDEOS AND TUTORIALS. WE COULD SHOW THEM ALSO HOW TO DRIVE ON PRESTON ROAD I THINK. SO, YEAH. MY MY LAST QUESTION IS THE ROUNDABOUT FOR FIRST AND COLEMAN. IS THAT IN THE THE FIRST STREET OKAY. YES. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. [29. Discussion regarding the Unified Development Code. (DH)] THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. THE NEXT ITEM IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 29. DISCUSSION REGARDING UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. MR. HOOVER. WELCOME BACK. IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THE MANAGER SENT ME A TEXT JUST A MINUTE AGO BEFORE I GOT UP HERE, TO KIND OF BE BRIEF, KNOW YOU WANTING TO GET HOME. SO I'M GOING TO GO REALLY FAST THROUGH THESE 112 SLIDES THAT I'VE GOT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM. SO MYSTERIOUSLY A COUPLE OF MINUTES. IT'S JUST A UPDATE TO WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS THE UDC IS CONCERNED. PROBABLY REMEMBER YOU, WE ACTUALLY HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. WE DID THAT I THINK MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER. AND SO WE'RE DONE WITH WITH THAT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. WE'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT NOTICES TO VARIOUS GROUPS ABOUT WHERE THE DRAFTS HAVE BEEN ON THE WEBSITE, UNDER THE PLANNING PAGE, ON OUR TOWN WEBSITE. CURRENTLY, THE MOST RECENT ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON IS MR. WELCH IS GOING THROUGH THE THE FINAL, FINAL VERSION AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE ORDINANCE FOR THE THE CHANGE AND WHERE WE ARE PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS LAST WEEK I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY. WE SENT THEM THE DRAFT AND THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE KIND OF THEIR LAST ROUND OF COMMENTS. AND WE'RE THIS IS FOR YOU ALL. THERE IS A LINK ON THE STAFF REPORT YOU GOT THAT LINK HAS AN OLDER DRAFT VERSION THAT DID NOT HAVE THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES FROM MR. WELCH, THAT WENT TO THE CONSULTANTS YESTERDAY, THAT SHOULD BE [02:45:01] REPLACED OUT TOMORROW. I'M SURE Y'ALL HAVEN'T READ IT SINCE, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK OR WHENEVER. SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THE NEXT PNC MEETING NEXT WEEK. THEY WILL HOPEFULLY VOTE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY BE ON THEIR CONSENT AGENDA THE FOLLOWING WEEK. 24TH. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU ALL FOR THE SAME THING. IT'LL BE ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA IF DURING THIS COUPLE OF WEEKS, IF YOU FOUND SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU REMEMBER IT TO BE, JUST SEND US A NOTE AND WE'LL GET IT FIXED. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. SO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. HOOVER. I BELIEVE NO ONE HAS QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. SEEING SEEING NONE. I'LL GET YOU LATER FOR A QUESTION I DO. I DO APPRECIATE IT. SO BEFORE WE GET TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 30, I DO WANT TO THANK OUR SCOUT TROOP 365 FOR HANGING WITH US THROUGHOUT ALL THIS. SO THANK YOU, YOU GUYS. YEAH. CAN WE GIVE OUT ANOTHER BADGE FOR THE EVENING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. YEAH. [30. Discuss and consider Town Council Subcommittee reports. (DFB)] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 30 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE TOWN COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS. I WILL TOUCH ON LEGISLATIVE BRIEFLY. THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE MET TODAY. WE DISCUSSED THE CURRENT ELECTION CYCLE FOR BOTH PRIMARIES ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN THE BALLOT WITH, I THINK, NOTHING NOTABLE THAT WE TOOK OUT OF THAT. WE DISCUSSED AN ITEM, PERHAPS TO BE WORKED ON, ON LEGISLATIVELY AND OR WITH THE TOWN MANAGER THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND OTHER THAN THAT, CAMERON AND CRAIG, ANYTHING ELSE I MISSED? THAT'S OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU. CIP COMMITTEE. CIP. WE DID. ALREADY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE I THINK WE ADDRESSED SEVERAL OF THE ITEMS ALREADY. COUPLE OF COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL THINGS. MARKERS THAT HAVE BEEN PUSHED BACK AND PHYSICAL OKAY. COMING SOON. SO OKAY OKAY. AND THEN CSC JEFF. YES CC WE MET TREVOR HELTON GAVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE MAYOR'S CHALLENGE, MAYOR FITNESS CHALLENGE, AND DISCUSS DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET PEOPLE INVOLVED SIGNED UP. YOU KNOW, KIND OF INCREASED THE PARTICIPATION. ALSO THE FITNESS CHALLENGE WITH LITTLE ELM AND HOW THAT WAS. THE ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO. THE ONE THAT WE WON. YES. YEAH. OKAY. HOW AND HOW WE REPEAT I GUESS. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN. OH WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE AMERICA 250. OKAY. WORKING ON IDEAS FOR THAT. GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH [Possibly direct Town staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.] FOR ALL OF THAT. ALRIGHT. BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT PARTICULAR ITEM OF SCHEDULING ITEMS FOR FUTURE TOPIC OF A FUTURE MEETING, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT OUR OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR HAS STEPPED OUT FOR THE MOMENT, BUT I WANT TO COMMEND OUR PUBLIC WORKS, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR EFFORTS DURING OUR RECENT ICE STORM. IT DOES NOT GO UNNOTICED. OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF WAS OUT THERE. THEY SLEPT OUT IN THEIR DOUBLE WIDE TRAILERS OVERNIGHT TO KEEP OUR ROADS SAFE, AS WELL AS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FOLKS WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME OUT ON THE ROADS HELPING OTHERS WHO WERE WHO HAD ISSUES ON THE ICY ROADS. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS. IT IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY ALL OF US HERE. THANK YOU. THANK. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ITEMS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD TO A FUTURE MEETING? I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE BANDIT SIGNS. I PICKED ONE UP TODAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? I'VE GOT A FEW OF MY TRUCK. THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO JUST BRING BACK A TOPIC. I KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN REYES HAS BROUGHT UP, BUT THE DISCUSSION ON 1385 WITH I JUST WENT BLANK ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD GLENBROOK, GLENBROOK AND JUST THE. OH, YEAH, THE SCREENING AND JUST AN UPDATE ON 1385 AND JUST THE ISSUES WE'VE GOT OVER THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR BOTH OF THOSE. THOSE ARE GOOD ONES. SO ALRIGHT. YES SIR. JUST ONE REAL QUICK ONE ON THE SECOND PHASE OF ROAD, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO PUSH TO THE BID OUT ON ON THAT ONE, BUT I KNOW THERE'S AN EXTERNALITY WITH TEXDOT AND FRONTIER PARKWAY. SO AS WE GET SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, WE GET TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF ALL THE ISSUES THAT. YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS IN THE REPORT. BUT JUST TO ADD, IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS OR WHATEVER, JUST GIVE US A LITTLE KIND OF KEEP THAT UP. HOWEVER WE DO THAT. BUT JUST KEEP THAT. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. IT WAS DEFINITELY IN [02:50:04] FRIDAY'S REPORT. YES SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY THEN WITH THAT, THE TOWN [EXECUTIVE SESSION] COUNCIL WILL RECESS INTO CLOSED SESSION AND COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 551.001 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE IS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT TO DELIBERATE REGARDING SECTION 551.087 TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, ALL MATTERS RELATED THERETO. SECTION 551.072 TO DISCUSS OR CONSIDER THE PURCHASE, EXCHANGE, LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY FOR MUNICIPAL PURPOSES, ALL MATTERS RELATED THERETO. SECTION 551.074. TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PERSONNEL MATTERS, ALL MATTERS INCIDENT RELATED THERETO. SECTION 551.071 CONSULTATION WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY REGARDING PENDING OR ANTICIPATED LITIGATION. SECTION 551.074 TO DISCUSS APPOINTMENTS TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF APPEALS. PARKS AND REC BOARD, LIBRARY BOARD, PEAK PLANNING AND ZONING, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE, DOWNTOWN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND ALL MATTERS RELATED THERETO. SECTION 551.071 CONSULTATION WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH ARTICLE 1.02 OF THE TOWN CODE OF ORDINANCES AND ALL MATTERS RELATED THERETO. SECTION 551.071 CONSULTATION WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO DISCUSS ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH ANY WORK SESSION, ITEM OR COUNCIL MEETING. AGENDA ITEM TIME NOW IS 937. WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. THANK YOU [Reconvene in Regular Session and take any action necessary as a result of the Closed Session.] 1033 AND THE COUNCIL HAS RECONVENED INTO REGULAR SESSION. DO WE HAVE ANY ACTION TO TAKE AS A RESULT OF THE CLOSED SESSION? NO. THEN COULD I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECONDED BY MARCUS RAY. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.