DOWN. SO I ARE WE READY? OKAY. LET US CALL TO ORDER THE JANUARY 8TH, 2026 MEETING OF
[1. Call to Order / Roll Call.]
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THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS. HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO CALL ROLL. FROM MY LEFT TO MY RIGHT IS CARRIE CASTRO. DEB HORAN, MYSELF, DANIEL KNOX. TO MY RIGHT, BOB BENSON. WE HAVE VALERIE RODRIGUEZ AND KYLE LAFFERTY.FOR STAFF, WE HAVE DAN BAKER, KURT BAUER, MATT FOR TREVOR HELTON AND TALIA STEVENSON. ALL
[2. Consider and act upon the minutes of the November 13, 2025, Parks and Recreation Board meeting.]
RIGHT. OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 13TH, 2025, PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEETING MINUTES. IS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE AND HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR AMENDMENTS BEFORE WE APPROVE? ALL RIGHT. MOTION FROM KYLE TO APPROVE. CAN I HEAR A SECOND SECOND FROM CARRIE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH A VISUAL AND AN I. ALL RIGHT, SEVEN ZERO. THOSE PASS. OUR NEXT ORDER OF[3. Election of Board Officers.]
BUSINESS IS ELECTION OF OUR BOARD OFFICERS. SOMETHING THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR. WE HAVE THREE POSITIONS. THOSE ARE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND SECRETARY. I BELIEVE WITH START NOMINATIONS WITH THE CHAIR POSITION AND MOVE OUR WAY THROUGH THE POSITIONS. EVERYONE IS FREE TO NOMINATE THEMSELVES OR NOMINATE SOMEONE ELSE UNLESS WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE RUNNING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. WE CAN FOREGO THE CAMPAIGN SPEECHES AND ALL THAT. ANY COMMENTARY FROM STAFF OR ANYTHING BEFORE WE BEGIN? NOT REALLY. I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED. IN PRIOR EXPERIENCE IS NOT NECESSARY. DANIEL'S DONE A GREAT JOB. WE CAN CERTAINLY IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IN BEING THE CHAIR, WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT YOU CAUGHT UP ON THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS, BUT WHATEVER. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE JUMP IN. JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE. I KNOW TWO LADIES UP THERE ARE BRAND NEW THINK. OH, NO, YOU'LL BELIEVE ME. IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE. SO IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, PLEASE.PLEASE VOLUNTEER. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, WELL, I WILL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS FOR THE CHAIR POSITION. CRICKETS. I WILL SELF NOMINATE MYSELF AS THE CHAIR POSITION. OKAY, I ACCEPT THE NOMINATION. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO NOMINATE? OKAY. VOTE FOR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DANIEL KNOX BEING THE CHAIR FOR THE NEXT YEAR. PLEASE SAY WITH A VISUAL IN AN EYE, ALL SEVEN ZERO. ANY OPPOSED? NONE THAT I SEE. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE VICE CHAIR POSITION. CAN I GET NOMINATIONS FOR THE VICE CHAIR POSITION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE BOB BENSON.
ALL RIGHT. BOB BENSON, DO YOU ACCEPT THE NOMINATION? I ACCEPT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ALL RIGHT. ACCEPTS. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH A VISUAL ON AN EYE. ALL RIGHT.
SEVEN ZERO. NO. OPPOSED? JUST A NOTE. SIX. BECAUSE WE DON'T. OH, SORRY. VALERIE LITTLE'S OUT. SO CORRECTION. THAT'S OKAY. SIX. YOU'RE RIGHT. NEXT WE WILL HAVE THE POSITION OF THE SECRETARY.
AND THE SECRETARY MIGHT BECOME A MORE IMPORTANT POSITION AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO DO I HEAR ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THE SECRETARY POSITION? I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE GARY CASTRO. OH, CARRIE, DO YOU ACCEPT THE POSITION? YES, SHE DOES. ACCEPT ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CARRIE CASTRO BEING THE SECRETARY SAY WITH THE VISUAL IN AN EYE. ALL RIGHT. SIX ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS. WE'LL NOTE KYLE LAFFERTY IS NOT MAKING FRIENDS AT THIS POINT. SO. ALL RIGHT, WELL, CONGRATULATIONS. AND LET IT BE KNOWN THAT DANIEL KNOX IS THE CHAIR. BOB BENSON IS THE VICE CHAIR, AND KERRY CASTRO IS THE SECRETARY FOR THE PROSPER PARKS BOARD OF DIRECTORS. NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ANY PUBLIC OR PERSONAL ONLINE. MOVING ALONG? OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A PARK
[5. Consider and act upon a park facility agreement for Creekside Park.]
FACILITY AGREEMENT FOR CREEKSIDE PARK. AND WE HAVE KURT. IS THAT WORKING? YES. LET[00:05:05]
ME SEE. OKAY. SO GOOD EVENING. IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. THIS ITEM IS A PARK IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE CREEKSIDE DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU LOOK THE IMAGE THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION. IT'S UP IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF TOWN.IF YOU RECALL, WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU BACK IN THE FALL AND YOU CONSIDERED IT AND YOU APPROVED IT. AND THEN WE SUBSEQUENTLY TOOK IT TO COUNCIL AND THEY CONSIDERED IT, BUT THEY DID NOT VOTE ON IT. IT WAS TABLED. THE PRIMARY REASON WAS BECAUSE AT THE TIME, THE PROPOSAL DID NOT INCLUDE IRRIGATED TURF. SO WE HAVE COME BACK TO PRESENT IT TO YOU AGAIN THIS EVENING, AND WE'VE MADE SOME SOME REVISIONS TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW, THE AMOUNTS OF MONEY THAT ARE INVOLVED, THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES AND THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, THAT HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL SINCE THE FIRST TIME THAT WE PRESENTED IT TO YOU. SO I DON'T THINK I NEED TO WASTE YOUR TIME GOING THROUGH ALL THAT. IT'S THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE. BUT WHAT HAS CHANGED IS WE ARE THIS VERSION. WE ARE PROPOSING IRRIGATED TURF ACROSS THE ENTIRE PARK. AND THE THE LITTLE DIAGRAM THERE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS YOU IT'S A VERY SIMPLE SEVEN ACRE RECTANGLE.
IT'S GOING TO BE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S ADJACENT TO OR ACROSS THE STREET FROM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS ACROSS THE STREET. IS IT FINISHED OR IS IT UNDER CONSTRUCTION? OKAY, SO IT'S OPEN. SO ANYWAY, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT LOCATION TO HAVE THIS BECAUSE IT'S SO, YOU KNOW, KIDS ARE GOING TO BE WALKING ACROSS IN THROUGH HERE ON A REGULAR BASIS. NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING RIGHT NOW TO PUT A PLAYGROUND OR PAVILION HERE. SO THAT WILL HAVE TO COME LATER ON WHEN THOSE FUNDS CAN BE IDENTIFIED, POSSIBLY WITH A FUTURE BOND PROGRAM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HOWEVER WE ARE, THIS WILL BE SEVEN ACRES OF GOOD IRRIGATED TURF. IT'LL HAVE TREES AROUND IT AND WALKWAYS. SO IT'LL BE A GREAT PLACE FOR KIDS TO COME AND PRACTICE SOCCER AND THAT SORT OF THING. ANYWAYS, SO ONCE AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL NOW INVOLVES FULL IRRIGATION SYSTEM, SOD SIGN AND TREES, AND THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO. THEY HAVE OFFERED TO KICK IN $250,000 TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO BETWEEN THE FUNDS THAT WE GET FOR THE PARK FEES AND THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AND THE $250,000 THAT THEY HAVE GENEROUSLY DONATED, IT WILL ONLY COST THE TOWN APPROXIMATELY $173,500 TO DEVELOP THE SEVEN ACRE OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS WHAT IT WILL BE FOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS UNTIL MONEY CAN BE FOUND TO PUT OTHER FACILITIES THERE. SO FOR THE $250,000, THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING THAT THE PARK BE NAMED SHATTUCK PARK AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT STAFF. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THEIR TEAM, AND WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD DEAL FOR THE TOWN.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU AGAIN FOR RECONSIDERATION. MAY I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I GUESS WE CAN OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION? I WANT TO MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT.
SO WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS TO YOU ALL, I KNOW THE YOU GUYS WERE IN FAVOR OF US MOVING FORWARD, BUT YOU ALSO MADE THE COMMENT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THIS PARK DEVELOP AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO WHETHER THAT'S PLAYGROUNDS, AMENITIES, THE PLAN WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING JUST YET TO MAKE ALL THAT HAPPEN. IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD FIND THAT THROUGH SOME PARK OTHER ADDITIONAL PARK FEE DOLLARS, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY UP TO THE TOWN COUNCIL TO DECIDE THAT WE WOULD MOST LIKELY PUT SOME SOCCER GOALS OR SOME THINGS OUT THERE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY PRACTICE FIELDS FULL TIME, OR DEPENDING ON WHAT SPORTS GOING ON, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE THAT PARK WOULD BE USABLE FOR THOSE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES. SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE GRASS AND TREES SITTING OUT THERE GETTING MOWED ONCE A WEEK. WE WOULD DO OUR BEST TO PROGRAM IT, MAKE SURE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON.
SO. DAN, OUT OF CURIOSITY, DID TOWN COUNCIL HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OTHER THAN THE IRRIGATION REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL? INITIALLY, WHEN WE BROUGHT TO THEM, THEY DID WANT TO SEE SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE PARK. THEY DIDN'T WANT JUST THEY LOVE GRASS AND TREES.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BUT THEY WANTED TO SEE BALL FIELDS, PLAYGROUNDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO AS KURT SAID, THE DEVELOPER DID, DID BRING SOME MORE DOLLARS TO THE TABLE TO MAKE SURE WE AT LEAST HAD A WALKING TRAIL ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT WE HAD A FULLY IRRIGATED PARK, AND THEN WE WILL JUST PROGRAM. IT WAS WE'LL JUST CALL OUTS SO WE'LL KNOW WHERE THE PLAYGROUND WILL GO. SO BECAUSE THE OTHER SIDE OF IT TOO, IS I DON'T WANT TO IRRIGATE THE PARK ENTIRELY IN THAT CORNER. IF WE KNOW A YEAR FROM NOW WE'RE GOING TO TEAR THAT UP, PUT A PLAYGROUND IN. SO WE DON'T WANT TO WASTE RESOURCES EITHER. SO THAT WOULD ALL BE CAREFULLY PLANNED.
ESSENTIALLY IT WAS THEY I BELIEVE WILL SPEAK FOR THEM. THEY I THINK THEY LIKE THE IDEA.
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THEY KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT LOCATION FOR A PARK. WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT IN THAT PART OF TOWN. I THINK THE NEXT CLOSEST PARK IS EITHER FRONTIER. HERE YOU GO. SO AND OBVIOUSLY WITH FRONTIER, YOU'VE GOT TO CROSS THE TOLLWAY. WE'VE GOT SOME SMALLER PARKS JUST TO THE SOUTH AND EVENTUALLY TO THE WEST. BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT UP ON THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PROSPER. SO I THINK THEY SAW THE VALUE OF IT. THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE CONCERNS, FINANCIAL CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE JUST THE DOLLARS LAYING AROUND JUST TO GO BUILD THAT PARK. SO THEY WANTED TO SEE THE DEVELOPER BRING MORE TO THE TABLE AND THEN ALSO HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF A COMPLETED PARK. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE. AND I THINK WITH YOUR COMMENT AS FAR AS NECESSARY LOCATION, I THINK THE DEVELOPER STEPPING UP GREEN SPACES, GREEN SPACE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE IDENTIFY IT AS THAT. AND I THINK AS THAT AREA DEVELOPS, IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE GIFTS THAT IT WAS GOOD NOT TO IMMEDIATELY RUSH IN THERE WITH CERTAIN FIXTURES AND CERTAIN FEATURES AND SEE HOW THE AREA DEVELOPS AND YOU'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED IN THAT SEVEN ACRES. SO I'M A FAN, I LIKE IT, I, I LIKE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE DEVELOPER. AND IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME, CLINT, THERE IS AN AMENITY CENTER FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. RIGHT. SO THIS WILL BE THE OUTDOOR SPACE, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A FAIRLY NICE AMENITY CENTER WITH OTHER ACTIVITIES FOR THE FAMILIES. AND SO IT'S PERFECT. YEAH. DAN, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU ON THE ON THE THE REQUEST TO NAME THE PARK SHATTUCK PARK, SINCE WE'RE GOING THROUGH OBVIOUSLY OUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR PARK NAMING POLICY, WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD RIGHT NOW. WOULD THAT BE THAT WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE WILL GO TO NAME THE PARK IN THE FUTURE, POTENTIALLY, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO THE 250 THAT THEY'RE DONATING IS ATTACHED TO THAT. AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND ACT ON THAT TONIGHT. SO THERE THERE IS A TOWN ORDINANCE THAT ACTUALLY COVERS THIS AND WHAT IT WHAT IT STATES. AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME AND I APOLOGIZE IS THAT IT'S 50. ESSENTIALLY TO NAME A PARK. IF IF DAN BAKER WAS GOING TO DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD IN TOWN AND I WANTED TO NAME THE PARK DAN BAKER PARK, I'D HAVE TO COME WITH 50% OF THE. IT'S NOT THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION COST.I BELIEVE IT'S THE I BELIEVE IT'S THE LAND PURCHASE PRICE IS THERE. THERE IS A NUMBER OUT THERE NOW, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE QUITE THERE WITH THE 250. BUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY JUST FROM TOWN STAFF, I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE BRINGING DOLLARS TO THE TABLE RIGHT NOW TO NAME THAT PARK. SO ONE PERSON MIGHT CONSIDER IT A DISCOUNT, BE ABLE TO GET THEIR NAME ON IT. SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT SAY. IF WE DON'T TAKE THE 250 TO DO THAT, I'VE GOT ZERO THEN, RIGHT? BECAUSE MR. SHATTUCK COULD JUST SAY, OKAY, WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NAME THE PARK AFTER ME, I'M GOING TO RESEND THAT TO 50. NOW, COUNCIL COULD STILL COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A DEAL. SO THIS COULD GO BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT. SO IT'S REALLY YEAH. MY OPINION IS JUST DAN BAKER'S OPINION, NOT THE TOWN'S OPINION. I SEE 250 SITTING THERE THAT MONEY COULD BE USED TO TO GET THAT PARK, GIVE IT A LITTLE SHOVE AND GET IT MOVING. AND I PERSONALLY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ALL, OR THE COUNCIL OR ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS TOWN WOULD FEEL THAT WAY, BUT MR. SHATTUCK DEVELOPED A LOT OF A LOT OF SPACE IN TOWN. HE'S BEEN A GOOD PARTNER TO WORK WITH. HE WANTS TO NAME THE PARK AFTER HIS FATHER. SO IT'S SOMETHING HE HE CAME BACK TO THE TABLE WHEN WE TOLD HIM WE WERE STRUGGLING WITH THIS DEAL. HE SAID HE'D LIKE TO. HE'D LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE MORE. BUT THAT A CAVEAT WOULD BE HE'D LIKE TO PUT HIS DAD'S NAME ON IT. SO STAFF, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AND WE FEEL LIKE THE KIDS AND THE PARENTS WILL ENJOY THE SPACE AND USE IT FOR YEARS TO COME.
THEY PROBABLY REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT IT'S NAMED. THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE THE SPACE IN THE PARK THERE. I GUESS JUST BECAUSE THERE ISN'T AN ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW? FOR ME, WE ARE ABOUT TO SET A PRECEDENT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEET OUR ORDINANCE TO NAME A PARK. AND THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE. I MEAN, I THINK THAT I GET IT. THAT'S FANTASTIC. THEY'RE DOING IT. IF IF WE'RE
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CLOSE, IS THERE ANY I'M NOT WANTING TO ASK FOR MORE, BUT IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER THAT, BECAUSE IF THERE'S AN ORDINANCE, IT JUST MAKES OUR JOB SO MUCH EASIER THAN TO SET A PRECEDENT FOR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY IN THE FUTURE COULD ARGUE THAT THEY WANT TO NAME A PARK AFTER THEM AS WELL. NO, YOU'RE YOU'RE CORRECT. AND WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THAT. I APOLOGIZE, I WAS NOT PREPARED WITH THAT NUMBER. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WE CAN CERTAINLY GET TO DECIDE IF THAT'S WE'D HAVE TO. AND I ALSO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD MAYBE TOWN COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I DON'T WANT US TO BE THE REASON THE DEAL FALLS FLAT. SO IF THERE'S A WAY WE COULD MOVE THIS FORWARD. AND I ALSO DON'T WANT TO DUMP IT IN THEIR LAP, BUT SO SO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND COULD APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? AND. AND MAYBE PULL BACK ON THE NAMING SIDE OF IT. AND JUST SAYING WE WE I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. PARKS BOARD ISN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THE AMOUNTS WITHOUT IT MEETING THE ORDINANCE FOR THAT. AND THEN THE COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY GO. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, AND BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE COUNCIL MEETING, I'LL HAVE ALL THOSE NUMBERS DRILLED OUT. WE'LL KNOW.ARE THEY IS HE 50,000 SHORT? IS HE 500,000? I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER ON THAT. SO I AGREE WITH KYLE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN A BAD PATH. YEAH. AGAINST AN ORDINANCE THAT IS IN PLACE FOR A PURPOSE. I PERSONALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. BUT AGAIN, AN ORDINANCE IS AN ORDINANCE IS AN ORDINANCE. IT'S THERE FOR A REASON. AND I AND I THINK THAT IT'S A IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE ISSUES BEFORE. YEAH. SO I, I THAT'S WHAT I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT THAT, THAT THE, THE BOARD'S BEING JUDICIOUS ABOUT UTILIZING THE CONCEPTS AND ORDINANCES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE. I THINK KYLE MADE A GREAT POINT. I SO, SO THEN IF YOU IF YOU LIKE IF YOU LIKE THE DEAL. YEAH. YOUR CONCERN IS THAT WE DON'T FEEL THE 250 IS ENOUGH. AND AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IT'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE SHORT. I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT IT'S MOST LIKELY SEVEN ACRE PARK 250 IS GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, THAT'S MORE THAN $500,000 FOR SEVEN ACRES ASSURING YOU, YEAH. DAN, DOES THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION? AND I'M I'M TAKING THAT. THE CREEKSIDE IS A DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO THERE ARE ABATEMENTS. THERE'S THERE'S CREDITS FOR LAND. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL. THEY HAVE OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS GOING TOWARDS THIS PARK TO BUILD IT. SO WE CAN DO THE MATH. LET US DO THAT. SO AGAIN IF YOU GUYS FEEL IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH THIS, THE ONLY HANG UP IS THE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE NAMING IT NAMING RIGHTS. THEN YOU CAN MAKE THAT CAVEAT ON YOUR MOTION. YEAH. YEAH I WOULD MOTION TO MOVE TO APPROVE IT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE NAME. MAKE SURE THAT THE NAMING OF THE PARK ALIGNS ITSELF WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO WHETHER IT'S A PENNY A BUCK OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND. SURE. I THINK THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT GUIDELINES AND ORDINANCES THAT ARE IN PLACE.
IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT TONIGHT, KURT AND I WILL WORK THE NUMBERS. WE CAN EVEN GET BACK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND GO, HEY, HERE'S WHAT THE PARKS BOARD SAID. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THE RECOMMENDATION, IF AGAIN, WE NEED TO SEE HOW CLOSE WE ARE. YEAH. IF THEY WANT TO PONY UP A LITTLE BIT MORE OR OR THEY MAY ALREADY MEET IT. SO YEAH. SO IF THEY IF THEY FALL SHY WE CAN GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO CHANGE THAT BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY WOULD STILL BE MEETING YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT IT WOULD MEET THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. I JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK TOWN COUNCIL, IF THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND NOT GO BY THE ORDINANCE, THEY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT WE DO IS AND IF THERE'S NO OTHER IN THERE, NO. THAT'S REALLY IT. OKAY. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. DAN. HAVE WE HAD THIS HAPPEN IN THE PAST? SPEAKING OF A PRECEDENT, HAVE WE NAMED A PARK AFTER A DEVELOPER? YEAH, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT CLINT BECAUSE HE'S BEEN WHICH WHAT I'M SURE THAT'S TRUE. SO SO WE DO HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE JUST SHY OF FOUR YEARS. IT HAS NOT HAPPENED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. SO THERE'S SOME THINGS CLOSE, BUT MAYBE NOT QUITE THIS IN THIS FASHION. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S CITY OWNED PROPERTY
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THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN. IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC PARK. OKAY.OKAY. SO LET ME LET ME READ THIS TO YOU. PART OF IT, THE INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTION. YES.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE TOWN ORDINANCE STATES IF A NAME IS APPLIED TO A PARK, ESSENTIALLY TOTAL CONTRIBUTIONS OF 50% OR MORE OF THE TOTAL COST OF ACQUISITION, EXCLUDING REQUIRED PARK DEDICATION FEES AND DEVELOPMENT OF FACILITIES ARE DONATED TO THE TOWN. SO. SOME OF WHAT SOME OF WHAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD PUT IN THIS PARK WOULD COUNT, SOME WOULD NOT. OKAY, SO I STILL THINK WE NEED TO WORK WORK THE MATH ON IT. OKAY, SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, EXCLUDING THE PART THE PARK NAMING, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE TOWN ORDINANCE. IS THAT. UPON FURTHER REVIEW OF THE TOWN ORDINANCE? YEAH. FURTHER REVIEW PENDING FURTHER REVIEW THE TOWN ORDINANCE, TALIA CAN GET MY WORDS RIGHT FOR ME. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A. MOTION BY KYLE AND A SECOND BY CARRIE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH A VISUAL, AND I, I ALL RIGHT. OKAY, SO, SO JUST SO I CAN MAKE SURE WE MOVE FORWARD CORRECTLY IF WE DETERMINE WHAT'S UP THERE. DOES MEET THE ORDINANCE, THEN WE'RE OKAY WITH THE NAMING. OR IF THE DEVELOPER I THINK THAT'S CORRECT, OR THE DEVELOPER CAN GET TO WHERE THE ORDINANCE, THE NUMBER OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD, WOULD STATE THEN WE'RE GOOD THERE AS WELL. SO NO ISSUE WITH NAMING THE PARK SHATTUCK PARK. IT'S THE ISSUE OF LET'S MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE. YEAH. WE WANT WE DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT. OKAY. PERFECT.
[6. Consider and act upon a park facility agreement for Brookhollow Park.]
OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. OKAY. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS TO CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A PARK FACILITY AGREEMENT FOR BROOK HOLLOW PARK. THANK YOU. THIS ITEM IS ANOTHER VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT. THIS IS ONCE AGAIN, IT'S BROOK HOLLOW PARK. THE MAP HERE. THE RED CIRCLE SHOWS YOU THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. IT'S IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF TOWN. AND ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, THE THERE'S NO PARKLAND IN THIS PART OF TOWN OTHER THAN THAT LITTLE TINY LAVENDER COLORED TRACK THAT'S DOWN THERE ON 380.WE DO OWN THAT, AND IT IS PARKLAND, BUT TO BE DEVELOPED SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NO OTHER PARKS OUT HERE. THE BROWN AREAS ARE ISD PROPERTY. THE LARGE ONE ON THE NORTH IS THE WALNUT GROVE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE LARGE TRACT THAT'S DOWN THERE ON THE SOUTHWEST PART OF THE ADJACENT TO THERE. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IT'S AN ISD PROPERTY. I THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING A BIG IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE AN OUTDOOR LEARNING CENTER AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF. IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. BUT ANYWAY, JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW ABOUT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TOWN HERE. AND WE ALSO GAVE YOU A PRINTOUT. OH, NO, I'M SORRY. THAT'S THE NEXT ONE. NEVER MIND. SORRY. OKAY. SO THIS HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THIS CLEARLY. THIS DIAGRAM SHOWS THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE HOUSES LAY OUT. AND ALSO AND SO THE LIGHT GREEN AREAS ARE THE PROPOSED. THIS WOULD BE TWO LINEAR PARKS. ONE OF THEM WILL RUN ON THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE OTHER ONE IS ON THE FAR SOUTHEAST PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THESE THESE WILL HAVE TEN FOOT HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS, CONCRETE TRAILS RUNNING THROUGH THEM, SHOWN BY THE DASHED. I GUESS IT'S SORT OF A YELLOWISH OR RED LINE. AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE NODES ALONG THE TRAILS WITH A VARIETY OF RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES AND FACILITIES. AND DOWN THERE ON THE SOUTH END YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LARGE POND. THESE ARE JUST SOME CONCEPTUAL PHOTOS THAT THE DEVELOPER PROVIDED US. THE THE FACILITIES WOULD NOT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS. THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES. THEY'RE PROPOSING A MULTI A TWO TIERED POND THAT WOULD HAVE A FISHING PIER ON IT. LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE TOP RIGHT CONCRETE TRAIL, IRRIGATED OPEN SPACE. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. WE DISCOVERED AND THEN A SMALL PLAYGROUND SOMEWHERE ALONG THE TRAIL AND TYPICAL FACILITIES THAT YOU'D SEE, LIKE BENCHES AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO THE OVERALL SIZE IS 2020 ACRES FOR THE PUBLIC PARK. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING TO FOR THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION. WE WOULD ALSO HAVE, AS I MENTIONED, THE PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE TRAIL, TWO TIERED. AND I'LL GO BACK AND SHOW YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DARKER BLUE UP THERE, SORT OF IN THE TOP RIGHT, THE TWO TIERED RETENTION POND. SO
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THE UPPER LEVEL WILL FLOW DOWN AND PROBABLY UNDER A TRAIL AND INTO THE LOWER LEVEL POND.REALLY COOL FACILITY FOR PEOPLE. AND THE TRAIL WILL RUN RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.
LINEAR IRRIGATED TURF AREAS FISHING DOCK WILL PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO THE OUTDOOR LEARNING CENTER, AND THE DEVELOPER IS ALSO PROPOSING THEY'RE GOING TO PRESERVE A LOT OF THE HERITAGE OAKS. LET ME GO BACK TO THIS. SO THE LINEAR PARK ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE SITE, THERE'S A I MEAN, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE GREEN SPLOTCH THERE, BUT IT RUNS ALONG THE CREEK AND THERE'S A LOT OF HUGE, HUGE TREES IN THERE. IT'S FORESTED, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'LL BE A REALLY WONDERFUL TRAIL SYSTEM FOR PEOPLE TO USE. AND SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NAME OF THIS, THESE LINEAR PARKS AT ALL. SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY WOULD BE NAMED. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED IN THE FUTURE. THE WAY THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR NOW, THE THE PARK, THE PARK FEES AND THE PARKLAND DEDICATION CREDITS THAT THEY GET WILL PAY FOR THIS. SO THE TOWN, THIS THIS WOULD HAPPEN AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON IT. SO ONCE AGAIN, THE STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER, THEIR TEAM, AND WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF HERE, DAVID HOOVER AND HIS HIS STAFF ON THIS. AND WE THINK IT'S A GOOD DEAL FOR THE TOWN. AND SO WE WERE HOPING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER APPROVING IT SO THAT WE CAN SUBSEQUENTLY TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. AND I GUESS I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE CAN OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION. I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK. IF YOU WANT TO SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST LET ME KNOW. KIRK, IS THIS A LAND PLAN DEAL? IT'S A IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S I MEAN, THE DEVELOPER. I'M SORRY. THE DEVELOPER. IS IT LAND PLAN? I'M PRETTY CERTAIN THIS DEVELOPER IS ALSO SHADDOCK. OKAY. BEAUTIFUL. THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. IT'S THERE. I MEAN, I KNOW FROM, I GUESS, THINGS I'VE HEARD COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING THAT THEY LIKE THIS DEVELOPER, THEY'RE QUALITY DEVELOPER AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB. YEAH. I DO TOO. OKAY. NO, I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL. KURT.
KURT SAID IT. ALL THE FEES THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY THEIR DEVELOPMENT FEES WILL COVER THE COST. SO IT'S WE CAN SAY IT'S FREE. WE DON'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANY ADDITIONAL DOLLARS LIKE WE DO ON A LOT OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WE COULD SAY NO, THEY COULD WRITE US A CHECK, BUT WE LIKE DOING IT THIS WAY. THE DEVELOPERS ARE OUT THERE. THEY CAN THEY CAN DO A GREAT JOB ON THESE PARKS. THEY'VE GOT THE EQUIPMENT AND STAFF. SO WHAT'S NICE IS YEAH, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DIG INTO EXISTING PARK FEES OR ANYTHING ELSE. WE'RE JUST GOING TO BASICALLY TURN THEIR PARK FEES INTO A PARK. AND THESE PROPOSED TRAILS ARE PART OF WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN OUR TRAILS MASTER PLAN. SO THEY'RE A KEY COMPONENT. YEAH. HOW DOES THAT LAY INTO THE MASTER TRAIL? WELL, I MEAN, SO THE ONE THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH SO THAT THE THE THIN GREEN STRIP ALONG THE, ON THE TOP LEFT THERE, THAT'S GOING THROUGH A UTILITY EASEMENT. SO AND THAT CONTINUES ON ALL THE WAY UP TO WHAT YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, WHERE THE THE RANCH IS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO IT'S A KEY COMPONENT IN THE OVERALL TRAIL SYSTEM. OKAY. AND THEN THE TRAIL THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE THERE RUNS DOWN AND WILL PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY DOWN TO THAT POND AND ALSO TO THE THE THE FUTURE ISD FACILITY, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY COOL. YEAH. IT'S GREAT, GREAT AREA. IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
IT'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT GOING IN RIGHT TO THE EAST OF THAT AS WELL. SO RIGHT. AND SO WE'VE GOT AND WHAT KURT REFERENCED BEFORE, THAT LITTLE THIN STRIP OF LAND. SO THAT POND YOU SEE ON THE SOUTH SIDE WE HAVE I FORGET HOW MANY ACRES IT IS. IT'S IT'S LIKE THREE AND A HALF.
YEAH. IT'S IT'S NOT THREE AND A HALF. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BIG. BUT WE HAVE SOME PARKLAND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT POND. SO I WOULD FORESEE IT COULD BE MANY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT ESSENTIALLY SOME KIND OF TRAIL SYSTEM THAT RUNS AROUND SO WE HE LAND IN BETWEEN THE POND AND 380, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL LET'S SEE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LITTLE LAVENDER PIECE WAY DOWN THERE, THAT'S WHERE OUR PARK LAND IS. AND YOU CAN I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT A GREAT GRAPHIC, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE POND THAT'S JUST ABOVE IT, JUST NORTH OF OUR, OUR PIECE THERE. YEAH. AND SO YES, ULTIMATELY THAT IS THE PLAN AS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONNECT FROM THE LINEAR PARK THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING DOWN AND AROUND INTO THE POND. AND THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT GOING IN EAST OF ALL THAT. AND AGAIN, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT LAND OR, OR WHATEVER, BUT WE'LL WE WOULD PROBABLY BRING TO YOU IN THE NEXT HOWEVER MANY MONTHS, A SIMILAR PRESENTATION. THEY WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY'D ALSO LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE SOME LAND AND SEE IF WE CAN'T GET THAT ALL SYNCED UP. YEAH.
THEY'RE PROPOSING GIVING US. SO RIGHT NOW OUR PROPERTY HERE DOES NOT TOUCH THE LAKE.
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THEY'RE PROPOSING GIVING US A LITTLE PIECE HERE SO THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE LAKEFRONT OR POND FRONT, AS IT WERE. SO ANYWAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THIS IS ALL PAVED TRAILS. YES.THESE WOULD BE TEN FOOT WIDE CONCRETE HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS. AND ABOUT HOW MUCH IS IT ADDING TO THE TRAIL SYSTEM? OH, I'M CARRIE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I CAN FIND OUT FOR YOU AND EMAIL YOU TOMORROW. I CAN MEASURE I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DO THAT. OKAY. WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THIS? YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE STILL IN THE FAIRLY WARM. YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS? OKAY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF YEARS MOST LIKELY. YEAH. OKAY. WELL A YEAR OR SO. CAN I. I GUESS WE GET A MOTION MOTION TO ACT UPON AND APPROVE THE FACILITY AGREEMENT FOR BROOK HOLLOW PARK. I SECOND, BOB'S A SECOND DANIELS FIRST. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? VISUAL. VISUAL AND I. ALL RIGHT. SIX. OH, ALL RIGHT.
[7. Consider and act upon revisions to the Doe Branch Master Plan.]
THANK YOU. NEXT IS TO CONSIDER AN ACT UPON THE REVISIONS TO THE DOE BRANCH MASTER PLAN. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU BACK IN THE FALL IN NOVEMBER, AND WE DISCUSSED IT, AND YOU ASKED FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME TO REVIEW IT. AND THEN YOU DID REVIEW IT AND YOU PROVIDED US COMMENTS. AND SO WE TOOK THOSE COMMENTS AND WE WORKED WITH OUR CONSULTANT TEAM, AND WE'VE CONDENSED EVERYTHING DOWN INTO WHAT WE HOPE IS ONE FINAL MASTER PLAN. THIS IS THE GRAPHIC. AND I PROVIDED YOU WITH SOME PRINTS THERE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SQUINT AT THE SCREEN. HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS. THE WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF COMMENTS, WHICH IS I GUESS WAS WAS GOOD. WE PROBABLY WERE GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT WE NEEDED. IN THE END, WE IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WE PUT THE PUMP TRACK BACK IN. SO WE HAVE DONE THAT, AND I BELIEVE SOMEONE REQUESTED THAT WE SHIFT THE LOCATION OF THE THE SAND VOLLEYBALL. SO WE DID THAT. BUT BASICALLY WE LISTENED TO YOU AND IT'S ALL BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE GRAPHIC THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SLIDE. I THINK IT WAS ALSO REQUESTED THAT WE PUT TOGETHER A PHASING PLAN, AND WE'VE DONE THAT AS WELL. AND YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR PHASES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.PHASE ONE WOULD BE THE BASEBALL FOUR PLEX AND THEN A COUPLE OF THE RECTANGULAR FIELDS. THE SECOND PHASE WOULD BE THE THE REMAINDER OF THE RECTANGULAR FIELDS AND THEN THE BIG MULTI-USE SPACE. PHASE THREE WOULD BE EVERYTHING DOWN SOUTH OF FISHTRAP ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRAIL. AND THEN THE FINAL PHASE WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE MUCH, JUST SOME TRAIL AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF OPEN GREEN OPEN SPACE. I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH MORE FOR THIS. IF Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED, WE CAN SHARE YOU THE THE COST ESTIMATE. IT DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE MUCH AT ALL. OVERALL, WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TODAY'S DOLLARS. THIS IS A $74 MILLION MASTER COMMUNITY PARK. SO IT PROBABLY IN 6 OR 7 YEARS FROM NOW AND A SUBSEQUENT ANOTHER BOND PROGRAM THAT MAY BE MORE THAN THAT, BUT ALMOST CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT IN PHASES. SO YEAH, I WILL I WILL GUARANTEE YOU IT WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT IN PHASES. SO YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE THAT. Y'ALL BEEN HANGING IN THERE WITH US ON THIS ONE FOR MANY MONTHS NOW.
AND AND IT'S EXCITING TO TO WRAP UP A MASTER PLAN LIKE THIS. WE IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, WE DID A SURVEY AND WE HAD GREAT, GREAT RESPONSE FROM FROM THE RESIDENTS. AND SO I THINK IT'S BEEN A REAL POSITIVE. I LIKE THE CHANGES THAT YOU MADE. THAT'S GOOD. GOOD. YEAH. YOU REALLY TOOK EVERYTHING KIND OF WE MENTIONED AND BROUGHT IT TO LIFE. EXCELLENT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME AND WORKING WITH THEM TO GET IT TO THIS POINT. I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT. YEAH. NO. IT'S GOOD. IT'S BEEN FUN TO WORK ON.
ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT SAID, CAN I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO APPROVE? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. OFFICE FIRST, AND VALERIE IS THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH THE VISUAL AND I, I60 APPROVES. NO NAYS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS STAFF UPDATES. AND FIRST WE HAVE RECREATION OR NO. DAN. OKAY.
[8. Consider and act upon amendments to Park Programming and Development Fees.]
DAN. THIS IS WITH THE THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES. SO YOU GUYS HAD SOME VACATION OR EXCUSE ME, SOME HOMEWORK TO DO OVER OVER YOUR CHRISTMAS VACATION? I MISSED THAT ONE. NO, IT'S OKAY.YOU'RE GOOD. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE TIMES AND KIND OF FINE TUNING. SO SO LET ME KIND OF BRING YOU UP TO SPEED WHERE WE ARE. SO EVERYBODY EITHER ON A PRINTOUT OR YOU HAVE THIS BIG SHEET. RIGHT. I'M NOT GOING TO GO UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON IT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IT ITEM BY ITEM. WE WERE ASKED TO BRING THIS TO COUNCIL. IT'S EVERY TYPICALLY EVERY SEVERAL YEARS COUPLE YEARS. YOU YOU LOOK AT YOUR FEES AND I KNOW I'VE GOT A COUPLE. I GOT A CURRENT PARK EMPLOYEE AND A FORMER PARKS AND REC EMPLOYEE.
IT'S SMART RIGHT? YOU WANT TO LOOK AT YOUR FEES. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMPETITIVE.
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YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE WITHIN WHAT YOUR YOUR COMPARISON MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING. WHEN YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND IT'S IT'S A REVENUE GENERATOR FOR THE TOWN, WHICH IS ALSO IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WITH KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW WITH THE ECONOMY AND THINGS ARE STARTING TO SLOW A LITTLE BIT. SO WE'RE KIND OF FLIPPING ALL THE ROCKS AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES SENSE TO DO AND NOT DO. IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS SINCE WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT THIS. SO IS THERE ANYTHING WRITTEN THAT SAYS HOW OFTEN WE HAVE TO REVIEW THESE? I DON'T I TYPICALLY I WOULD SAY ANNUALLY IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD PRACTICE MAYBE EVERY OTHER YEAR. BECAUSE WHAT THIS ALSO REQUIRES IS AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO WANT US TO COME BACK HERE FOR 12 MONTHS FOR, TO CHANGE ORDINANCES. SO BUT I SAY IT'S A BEST PRACTICE, MAYBE INTERNALLY TO JUST KIND OF KEEP AN EYE ON IT ANNUALLY AND THEN WHETHER IT'S EVERY TWO, THREE YEARS. AND, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY DICTATED BY COUNCIL, THEY'LL TELL US, HEY, WE WANT TO LOOK AT FEES. SO SO AS FAR AS THAT GOES, WE HAD TAKEN THIS TO COUNCIL BACK THIS PAST FALL. THIS ONE SNUCK UP ON US. SO WE DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO BRING THIS TO YOU INITIALLY, WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE. BUT EITHER I MISSED THE EMAIL OR SOMEBODY DIDN'T GET IT TO ME OR WHATEVER, SO I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO. IT'S MY FAULT. SO WE STAFF AND I WENT THROUGH WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE WERE DOING.NOW WE CALLED OUR WE CALL THEM COMPARISON CITIES TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING. AND WE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON ON ALL OF OUR FEES. AND WHEN WE DID THAT, COUNCIL LOOKED AT IT. ONE, THEY REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PARKS BOARD GOT THEIR EYEBALLS ON IT AND MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT'S THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. SO SHAME ON ME FOR FOR SKIPPING THAT STEP. BUT THEY ALSO THEY DID LOOK AT WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO THEM. AND THEY WERE THEY HONESTLY WANTED TO SEE OR THEY SAID THEY'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER FEES FOR NONRESIDENTS. THEY DON'T WANT TO. THE FOLKS THAT LIVE HERE, THE FOLKS THAT PAY TAXES, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO STICK IT TO TO TO THEM, THE FOLKS THAT MAYBE LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHATEVER THE TRACKS OR THE STREET OR WHEREVER THEY WERE FINE WITH MAKING THEM PAY TO USE OUR FACILITIES. WE HAVE VERY NICE FACILITIES. THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CHARGING THEM APPROPRIATELY. SO WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING AND THAT'S THAT SHEET ESSENTIALLY HAS YOU'LL SEE THE MULTIPLE COLUMNS, THE THE FIRST COLUMN, THE VERY LEFT VERSUS CURRENT. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN CHARGING FOR THE LAST SINCE AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE TIME WAS. PROBABLY I THINK IT WAS 2021 WAS THE LAST TIME THEY ADJUSTED THEM. I GOT HERE JANUARY 22ND. SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR ALMOST PROBABLY MORE THAN FOUR YEARS. WE MADE THE WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT WHEN I WENT TO COUNCIL.
WELL YOUR YOUR SPREADSHEET SAYS OCTOBER, THIS SAYS SEPTEMBER. IT WAS SOMETIME IN THE FALL. WE HAD BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. AND THAT'S WHEN THEY ASKED US, HEY, TAKE IT BACK TO YOU ALL. LET'S LET'S LOOK AT IT AGAIN, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO. SO WE WENT THROUGH AND SHARPEN OUR PENCILS AGAIN AND. BRINGS US HERE TODAY. SO THE THIRD COLUMN ARE THE MOST CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS WE MADE AFTER COUNCIL COMMENTS. BUT I ALSO WANTED YOU ALL TO LOOK AT IT.
YOU ALL YOU ALL LIVE HERE. YOU ALL ARE TAXPAYERS. YOU ALL USE THE FACILITIES. SO HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT SOME OF THESE COSTS? AND, AND I'VE HEARD COMMENTS BACK FROM SOME OF YOU, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO ON THE 27TH, I'LL BE GOING TO COUNCIL THE MOST UPDATED NUMBERS FOR AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. ENGINEERING IS DOING THE SAME THAT NIGHT, SO? SO WE'LL BE THERE AND YOU GUYS ARE OBVIOUSLY INVITED. YOUR WE HAVE WE'LL GO OVER IT LATER. WE HAVE A A MEETING WITH YOU ALL EARLIER BEFORE THAT MEETING TOO. SO IF YOU WANT TO STICK AROUND FOR THE THE FEES TO SEE AND SUPPORT THE SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT, THAT'D BE GREAT. BUT ONE OF THEM, AND JUST AS AN EXAMPLE FOR TOURNAMENT FEES. SO TREVOR WILL GET A PHONE CALL FROM IT. COULD BE IT COULD BE ONE OF OUR SPONSORED LEAKS. IT COULD BE SOMEBODY OUT OF OKLAHOMA DOING A FLAG FOOTBALL TOURNAMENT IN TEXAS OR WHEREVER. WE DON'T KNOW THEM, WHATEVER. BUT THEY'LL COME DOWN, GO. WE KNOW YOU HAVE NICE FACILITIES. WE'D LIKE TO RENT THEM FOR A TWO DAY FLAG FOOTBALL TOURNAMENT OR SOCCER TOURNAMENT OR LACROSSE WHATEVER. WELL, THAT'S TYPICALLY DO THEY CHARGE THEY THEY'RE THERE TO MAKE MONEY THERE. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEIR DEAL IS. SO THEY'LL
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CHARGE FEES FOR YOUR TEAM. SO DEB, IF YOU'RE BRINGING YOUR, YOUR, YOUR LADIES SOCCER TEAM DOWN AND THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU $500 FOR YOUR TEAM TO COME PARTICIPATE, THEN WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL CHARGE A GATE FEE FOR ANYONE THAT COMES IN, JUST LIKE YOU'RE BUYING A TICKET TO GO SEE A MAVERICKS GAME OR A RANGERS GAME OR A COWBOYS GAME. SO THEY DO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS LET'S RAISE THE TEAM FEES ESPECIALLY FOR OUR NON SPONSORED TEAMS. AND I ALSO PROPOSED TAKING A PERCENTAGE OF THEIR GATE FEE.SO IF THEY'RE GETTING $10 A PERSON $20 A PERSON LET'S GET A PIECE OF THAT TOO. NOW WE YOU KNOW SOME OF THAT'S GOING TO BE A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT. WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY THERE WITH A COUNTER DOING THIS. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING. SO TO THE COMMENTS WE GOT BACK ON THAT SUGGESTION. COUNCILMAN RAY HAD THAT HE'S IN FAVOR OF RAISING THE TEAM FEES, BUT HE DIDN'T LIKE THE THE GATE FEE. HE JUST FELT LIKE THERE MIGHT BE TOO MUCH INVOLVED FOR US TO GET A GOOD NUMBER ON THAT. AND COUNCILMAN ANDREWS HAD SAID, RAISE THE FEES AND GET A PERCENTAGE OF THE GATE FEE. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE OF WHAT THEY WERE ASKING US TO DO. SO ON THE SCREEN IS THE THE SHEET WE HAD THERE WAS DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SHEET OR DID YOU NEED ME TO CLARIFY ANYTHING? HOPEFULLY IT WAS. IT MADE SOME SENSE. JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE IN MY HEAD DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ANYBODY ELSE'S. I'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU CAN TALK TO ABOUT THAT. BUT ANYWAY, SO I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THAT LAST COLUMN AND JUST SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FEES. AND IF YOU JUST SAY, HEY, WE LIKE WHAT YOU PROPOSED ALREADY IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S GREAT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HURT MY FEELINGS IF YOU GO, NO, WE NEED TO WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT A LOT. SO WE'LL GO BACK TO THIS HERE IN A SECOND. YOU ALSO SAW THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE THE NOTES WE GOT FROM CALLING OUR BENCHMARK CITIES. AND THAT WAS FOR ALL FEES. THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR RECREATION FEES. THAT'S OUR OUR PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES. LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THE PRIOR TWO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT TO SEE WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING. AND YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE HAD A COPY, RECEIVED A COPY OF THAT. AND THEN THE AND THEN DANIEL ASKED ME TO JUST, HEY, GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHAT'S WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? JUST AS FAR AS THE RENTALS GO ON REVENUE. SO PAVILION RENTALS, WE HAD 116 RESERVATIONS IN 2025, ABOUT $4,700 ON THOSE. SO NOT EARTH SHATTERING DOLLARS, BUT IT'S $4,700. THE TOWN HAS NOW TO GO BY WHAT WE NEED TO BUY. FIELD RENTALS, YOU CAN SEE, IS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER. NOW THAT ALSO INCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPONSORED ORGANIZATIONS, OUR PIES FOLKS, THEY'LL THEY PAY A A PLAYER USE FEE AND THAT PLAYER USE FEE. AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S SPELLED OUT THERE IF YOU IF YOU LIVE IN TOWN, YOU GET THE CHEAPEST ONE. IT'S TEN BUCKS IF YOU GO TO A PROSPEROUS SCHOOL, YOU'RE IN PISD, BUT YOU DON'T LIVE IN TOWN. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HIT YOU A LITTLE HARDER. IT'S GOING TO BE 30.
AND IF YOU'RE IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN TOWN, YOU DON'T GO TO A PROSPEROUS SCHOOL, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HIT YOU WITH A FULL $50 AND THEY TURN THOSE OVER. THAT HELPS US TO MANAGE OR NOT MANAGE, BUT TO MAINTAIN THE FIELD. SO WHEN MATT'S BUYING FERTILIZER AND FIELD PAINT AND ROBOT MOWERS AND ALL THOSE THINGS, THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO HELP US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. OKAY. SO BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE TOURNAMENTS WE TALKED ABOUT OR JUST TALKED ABOUT AND THEN EVEN AND WE'LL GET A CALL FROM IT COULD BE A LOCAL SOMEONE WHO MAYBE HE'S GOT A SELECT TEAM. THEY LIVE AND PROSPER, BUT THEY DON'T. HE MAY SAY, HEY, I YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A TOURNAMENT COMING UP. WE'D REALLY LIKE TO RENT THE FIELDS FOR A COUPLE HOURS IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE. IF WE HAVE OPENINGS, THEN WE'LL TAKE THEIR MONEY. YES, WE'LL MAKE THE FIELD AVAILABLE AND AND ALLOW THEM TO COME OUT SO, SO THAT OVER LAST YEAR EQUATED ALMOST $240,000. SO THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. THOSE FIELDS ARE EXPENSIVE. WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THEM. SO THAT HELPS OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS. OKAY. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU GUYS NEED ANY CLARIFICATION OR YOU TELL ME IF YOU'RE READY TO START TALKING. IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR FEES OR ON THE PAVILION RENTALS OF THE 116 RESERVATIONS, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY OUTSIDE RESIDENTS RESERVED ANYTHING? PROBABLY. I'M CURIOUS, BECAUSE OF THE FEE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE, MY BEST ESTIMATE WOULD BE ABOUT 1%. NONRESIDENTS.
THERE'S WE USUALLY GET ABOUT ONE PERSON THAT THEY'RE LIKE, WE'RE OKAY PAYING THAT AMOUNT, BUT IT'S IT'S EXTREMELY LOW. YEAH OKAY. AND THAT FEE JUST QUITE FRANKLY, RIGHT. THAT THAT FEE WAS PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE OUR TOWN WANTS TO MAKE SURE OUR RESIDENTS GET TO USE OUR, OUR
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FACILITIES. THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN EVERYBODY COMING IN FROM ALL OVER. AND HOW FAR IN ADVANCE DO PEOPLE HAVE TO RESERVE THE PAVILION? BECAUSE YOU CAN, LIKE RENT. SOMEBODY CAN GO AND LIKE TRY TO 48, 72. BUT WE USUALLY WILL REQUIRE ABOUT 14 DAYS BEFORE IF WE, IF IT'S IF WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT AND IT WORKS OUT WITH PARKS OPERATIONS STAFF AND, AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN EXPEDITE THAT. BUT AS FAR AS WHAT'S ON THE WEBSITE, WE USUALLY PREFER AT LEAST 14 DAYS. OKAY. SO WE CAN SCHEDULE STAFF BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO BRING IN STAFF TO CLEAN AND EMPTY TRASH. AND IF THERE'S A RESERVATION, IF THERE'S TO THAT DAY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE LATER COMES IN. AND THAT PAVILION LOOKS GOOD, JUST LIKE THE FIRST ONE. AND ALSO IF WE WE HAVE SOME TIMES WHERE A GROUP WILL COME IN WITH ABOUT 150 OR 200 PLUS, IF WE THINK IT'S NECESSARY, THEY'LL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT APPLICATION PROCESS, BECAUSE WITH THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AT THAT PARK, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING COVERED, WHETHER IT'S PD, FIRE, TRAFFIC CONTROL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.THAT'S ONE OF THE OUTLIERS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WORK WITH PARK OPERATIONS AS WELL, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 200 PLUS PEOPLE OUT THERE, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. OKAY. I JUST WAS HOW YOU MANDATE THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE LIKE SOMEBODY CAN COME AND UTILIZE A PAVILION WITHOUT ACTUALLY RENTING IT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO YEAH, IF IF NO ONE'S GOT A RESERVATION AND YOU WANT TO ROLL THE DICE AND YOU WANT TO COME UP AND JUST CAMP OUT THERE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S AN OPEN IT'S A PUBLIC PARK FACILITY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION OF HOW FAR IN ADVANCE YOU CAN RENT, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT SOMEBODY LIKE DAY OF TO BE ABLE TO RENT SOMETHING OUT FROM UNDER SOMEBODY WHO HAD SAVED. AND I FIGURED WE HAD SOMETHING IN PLACE. OKAY. ON THE PAVILIONS, DAN THE THE BENCHMARK CITIES, THERE'S THREE OF THEM THAT IT'S NOT APPLICABLE FOR NONRESIDENTS. IS THAT BECAUSE NONRESIDENTS CAN'T RENT THE PAVILIONS OR THEY JUST YOU COULDN'T FIND THEIR FEES? SO ALL THE ABOVE, SOME OF THEM NECESSARILY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE PAVILIONS OR THEY DON'T RENT THE PAVILIONS. THEY'RE JUST FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. WE ALSO HAVE SOME OF THOSE FOLKS DON'T CALL US BACK, SO I'M NOT SURE ON THAT ONE. IT IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AND SEE IT'S NOT EVERYBODY DOES IT THE SAME WAY. RIGHT. AND I WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM TO. BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WHEN WE CALL ON SOMETHING, IT'S LIKE, OH, THAT'S WAY OUTSIDE OF THE THE BOX. WHERE DO YOU CURRENTLY DO PAVILION RENTALS? SO WE ONLY HAVE ONE THAT WE RENT RIGHT NOW. IT'S A FRONTIER PARK. WILL YOU HAVE FUTURE PAVILION RENTALS? YEAH. RAYMOND, I WOULD SAY POSSIBLY AT RAYMOND. THAT PARK IS PROBABLY A LITTLE HEAVIER ON THE ATHLETIC SIDE, AND THAT PAVILION IS ACTUALLY INSIDE OF THE BASEBALL COMPLEX, SO. SO MAYBE FOR THAT REASON, MAYBE NOT. THAT ONE MIGHT JUST BE LOCKED DOWN. SO I DON'T AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY NOT.
NOW THAT I'M THINKING FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION, I'M TALKING THROUGH IT. IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP THOSE FIELDS LOCKED DOWN WHEN IT'S NOT OPEN FOR GAMES, AND THEY CAN RENT ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. YES, BUT WE DO TRY AND NOT DO RENTALS ON TOWN HOLIDAYS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TOWN STAFF THERE. AND IF WE DO GET TO A SITUATION LIKE WE DID THIS PAST THANKSGIVING WHERE WE SAID WE CAN RENT IT OUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT GUARANTEE STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF TRASH AND RESTROOMS AND THAT THAT. SO PLEASE PLAN ACCORDINGLY. AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY FINE WITH IT. AND THAT WAS LIKE A 25 PERSON RENTAL WHERE THEY'RE JUST THEY WANTED TO HAVE A GATHERING LOCATION FOR A TOWN HOLIDAY.
FOR FIELD RENTALS. DO YOU HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF JUST ROUGH BALLPARK NON RESIDENT VERSUS RESIDENT? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF NON RESIDENTS TRYING TO RENT THE FIELDS? ONE THING THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW IS DURING THE WINTER AND SUMMER MONTHS, OUR GRASS FIELDS ARE CLOSED. OUR WEEKS TURF BUT GRASS FIELDS. SO THAT IS WHEN WE WILL GET A INCREASED AMOUNT. BUT I STILL WANT TO SAY IT'S PROBABLY 10%. YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY LOW. I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING GROUPS FROM FRISCO SALINA WHO THEY'RE RUNNING INTO ISSUES WITH GETTING FIELD RESERVATIONS PAST FEBRUARY 1ST. AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY CUTTING OFF RESERVATIONS BECAUSE WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE OUR YOUTH SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS. SO WE GET GROUPS IN THAT. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE COMING IN WITH A BLANK CHECK AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE'LL RENT THIS OUT FOR 4 OR 5 MONTHS. AND WE DON'T WE DON'T DO THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DOUBLE BOOK, AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH PICK. HAVING ANOTHER QUESTION, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONTINUED PUSHBACK ON THE CRICKET FIELD
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COSTS, OR HAS THAT KIND OF IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN VERY QUIET. SO I UNLESS YOU HAVE TREVOR, I'VE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING. THAT'S THAT ONE EMAIL THAT YOU RECEIVED. THE GROUP SEEMED TO BE OKAY WITH IT. I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH. THE ONLY THING I'VE RECEIVED IS ONE COMMUNICATION FROM A I BELIEVE IT'S A PISD STUDENT, AND THEY WERE INQUIRING ABOUT RENTING OUT THE CRICKET PITCH TO START HOSTING OFFICIAL GAMES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WE ARE NOT HOSTING OFFICIAL GAMES. IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL BASED ON THE MEASUREMENTS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL CRICKET PITCH. THEY WERE REQUESTING THAT THEY COULD RECEIVE ANY KIND OF LIKE DISCOUNTED RATE BECAUSE THEY'RE PISD. BUT WE HAVE IT SET OUT ON WHAT THE RATES ARE PER RESIDENT AND NONRESIDENT. AND IT'S THEY'RE CLOSED RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT OPENING BACK UP AND PROBABLY MARCH. SO WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY RESERVATIONS DURING THE WINTER AND DURING THE SUMMER RIGHT NOW JUST TO TAKE CARE OF THE TURF OUT THERE. SO WHEN THEY WERE OPEN, WHAT WAS I KNOW IT'S NOT JUST ROUGHLY WHAT WAS THE UTILIZATION ON PEOPLE SIGNING UP TO IT ONCE, ONCE THE WORD GOT OUT AND WE ACTUALLY HAD SIGNAGE UP THERE TALKING ABOUT PROCEDURES, IT IT GOT PRETTY HEAVY THERE IN THE FALL TO WHERE IT WAS AT LEAST AT LEAST ONE RESERVATION PER SATURDAY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE SOME GROUPS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE BECAUSE IT'S A TWO HOUR RENTAL MAXIMUM. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE GROUPS WOULD RENT IT OUT FOR TWO HOURS, AND THEN ANOTHER GROUP WOULD REACH OUT. BUT WE WOULDN'T START UNTIL 30 MINUTES AFTER THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING. BUT ONCE THE WORD GOT OUT THAT WE WERE RENTING IT, I MEAN, WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF RESERVATION REQUESTS AND I'M STARTING TO GET SOME NOW, WHICH IT'S EASY NOW BECAUSE THE FACILITY IS CLOSED.BUT WE DID ONCE WE GOT CLOSER TO IT, COOLING DOWN A LITTLE BIT, WE DID START RECEIVING MORE INTEREST. OKAY. THANK YOU. DAN, WOULD IT BE BEST TO START AT THE TOP AND JUST GO? YEAH, LET'S LET'S JUST WORK OUR WAY DOWN AND TELL YOU. CAN YOU TAKE NOTES ON ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU MA'AM. OKAY. SO THE FIRST ONE WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE PAVILION RENTAL WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE. AND THERE'S MULTIPLE TIERS FOR A RESIDENT FOR ONE TO. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL THOSE. SO YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT. BUT OUR OUR TIERS ARE BASED ON WHETHER YOU'RE A RESIDENT OR NONRESIDENT AND HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT YOU YOU BRING IN. SO IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT AND YOU'RE BRINGING IN LESS THAN 50 PEOPLE, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE AT THAT $35 FOR FOUR HOURS. SO THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD DEAL. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY WHEN YOU YOU DIVIDE. SO ALL THOSE NUMBERS ARE PER FOUR HOUR BLOCKS. OUR NONRESIDENT IS $500 FOR A FOUR HOUR BLOCK. AND THEN AGAIN, ONCE YOU GET UP AROUND 150 TO 200 PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR THAT, WE'LL WE'LL PUT YOU THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT REQUEST PROCESS.
WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED WAS TO INCREASE IT SLIGHTLY FOR A RESIDENT 1 TO 50 PEOPLE, $50 FOR THAT FOUR HOUR BLOCK FOR 51 TO 100 PEOPLE, 75, AND THEN FOR 100 TO 200 $100. WE ARE WE HAVE NOT PROPOSED RAISING THE NONRESIDENT, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING IF IF YOU ALL FEEL THAT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO TO BUMP THAT UP, MOST FOLKS AREN'T GOING TO PAY THE $500. THEY FIND A FRIEND THAT LIVES IN PROSPER, OR THEY KNOW SOMEONE AND THEY KIND OF WORK A BACK BACK OUT THERE. SO WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH THE ONE PERSON MAKING THE RESERVATION. SO IS IT A PERFECT SYSTEM? NO, BUT WE'RE NOT OUT THERE CHECKING IDS ON SATURDAY AT 1:00 WHEN THEY COME ROLLING IN FOR THE RESERVATION. SO IT'S KIND OF THE HONOR SYSTEM ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE. IT IS. AND IT'S ALSO A BIG CONCRETE AND WOOD STRUCTURE. SO THERE'S NOT I'M NOT SAYING YOU COULDN'T DAMAGE IT, BUT AND STEEL. RIGHT. SO IT'S IT'S NOT A STRUCTURE THAT USE IS GOING TO TEAR IT UP GREATLY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW THE PICNIC TABLES CAN GET TORN UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT'S REALLY MORE JUST MESS. AND IT'S OUR GUYS COME IN AND CLEAN IT UP. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD I KNOW I HAD ONE COMMENT. I'M NOT EVEN DANIEL. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY. SOMEONE SAID, WHY ARE WE DOING FOUR HOUR BLOCKS? WHY DON'T WE KNOCK IT BACK TO AN HOUR? I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THE FOUR HOUR BLOCKS CAME ABOUT, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU
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WANTED TO LOOK AT, THAT MIGHT GET MORE RENTALS IN THERE. IT DOES CREATE A LITTLE MORE ISSUE FOR US ON THE ON THE MAINTENANCE. YES. JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DANIEL, THEY WILL LIST A NUMBER. WE DO HAVE STAFF THAT IS OUT THERE. SO IF FOR INSTANCE, YOU SAY YOU HAVE 75 PEOPLE AND IT'S CLEARLY 250 PLUS ONE, YOU CAN FORFEIT YOUR DEPOSIT. AND TWO, WE HAVE ALL THE CONTACT INFORMATION AND WE'LL GET WITH THAT PERSON, SAY IN THE FUTURE, ANY RENTALS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO THAT IS ONE WAY TO KIND OF US TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S BEING HONEST. I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE WERE ACTUAL ACTIVE STAFF OUT THERE EVERY TIME YOU DO A PAVILION RENTAL. SO WE'VE GOT OUR PARK OPS, AND THEN WE ON OCCASION HAVE OUR PART TIME REC AIDE THAT CAN GO AND JUST JUST CHECK AND MAKE SURE THINGS ARE OKAY. BUT THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IF IF YOU RESERVE IT FOR 15, YOU SHOW UP TO 50, THEN THERE'S A PROBLEM. YEAH. SO I'D LIKE TO RAISE THIS I MY.MY MONETARY OCD HAS ME MOVING THE 100 200 CHARGE FROM 100 TO 125. OKAY. I THINK IF WE'RE HAVING 100 OR 200 PEOPLE STOMPING AROUND, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT, IT'S KIND OF A PROGRESSIVE PERCENTAGE TO GO FROM 5075 AND THEN TO TO 125.
SO THAT'S JUST AGAIN, I AGREE WITH YOU OCD. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF I'M HAVING 150 TO 200 PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK 100 BUCK AND A QUARTER IS TOO MUCH, I AGREE.
DO YOU GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THE SAME DAY? I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE FOUR HOURS IS A LONG TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD GET MORE TRACTION IF YOU HAD A TWO HOUR, TWO HOUR BIRTHDAY, SAY, BIRTHDAY PARTIES OR WHATNOT. I THINK WE, I THINK WOULD IT JUST DEPENDS ON TIME OF YEAR. BUT THERE ARE TIMES OF YEAR THAT WE WILL GET. WE HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE NO BECAUSE THOSE BLOCKS ARE BOOKED. BUT I ALSO I GOTTA LOOK AT IT FROM THAT SIDE TO WHERE WE'VE GOT TO BRING STAFF IN ON, AND MOST TIMES IT'S A WEEKEND. SO HOURS TOUGH, TWO HOUR. I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY APPROPRIATE FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT MOST OF THE FOLKS, UNLESS IT'S MORE OF AN EVENT TYPE ATMOSPHERE OR STAYING LONGER THAN TWO HOURS. SO I KNOW THAT IN FRISCO, WHAT WE'VE SEEN, BECAUSE WE DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WHERE THEY CAN CHOOSE THE MORNING FOUR HOURS, THE AFTERNOON FOUR HOURS, OR THE ENTIRE DAY, A LOT OF THAT FOR LIKE KIDS BIRTHDAY PARTIES, THEY'RE USING A SETUP AND TEAR DOWN TIME ALSO, AND THE PARTY WILL LAST OR TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN. SO AND THEY DON'T WANT TO FEEL RUSHED BY THE NEXT PAVILION RENTAL. SO JUST SOME INSIGHT. THANK YOU DAN, REAL QUICK, SORRY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PAGE THAT THE ON THE SLIDE. YEAH. YEAH. SORRY. PERFECT. YES THAT ONE. DO WE ALLOW ALL DAY RENTALS. LIKE IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO RENT EIGHT HOURS THEY COULD RIGHT. THERE'S NO STOPPING THAT. THEY CANNOT GO EIGHT HOURS CONSECUTIVELY. WE DO TRY. AND BECAUSE EVEN WHEN THE SYSTEM THAT WE USE FOR THE FOR THE RESERVATION, THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC 30 MINUTES BEFORE, 30 MINUTES AFTER. NOW THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A COMMUNICATION THING FROM STAFF ON. OKAY. YOU WANT IT FOR EIGHT HOURS. WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THERE AND WORKING WITH THE PARKS OPERATIONS STAFF, WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE LET THEM GO EIGHT STRAIGHT? IS THIS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM? IF IT'S 175 PEOPLE, THEN YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY A PROBLEM. BUT WE DO NOT LET ANYONE BOOK IT FOR EIGHT STRAIGHT HOURS FROM THIS TIME TO THAT TIME. NOW, IF WE GOT IF WE GOT A CALL FROM A CHURCH OR SCHOOL OR A GROUP THAT WANTED TO DO A EVENT, IF YOU WILL, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT IF THEY GO THROUGH ALL THE THE PERMITTING PROCESS. I WAS JUST PLAYING OFF OF WHAT KERRY SAID THAT THEY DO IN FRISCO. SO THAT'S THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THAT'S A GOOD POINT THOUGH. DAN DO YOU DO YOU GUYS DO A DISCOUNTED RATE FOR THE WFISD IF THEY OR DO THEY NOT RENT IT? IT'S A IT'S A PER BASIS OR PER PER OCCURRENCE KIND OF DEAL. WE DO LIKE TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THERE'S TIMES THAT WE'LL GET INQUIRIES FROM A CERTAIN DEPARTMENT AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING
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FOR TWO HOURS. CAN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BRING TRASH, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT. IT'S AT 1 P.M. ON A TUESDAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST BLOCK IT. YEAH, PER DIRECTOR APPROVAL, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BLOCK IT FOR THEM. AND YOU KNOW THIS, THIS IS IF IT'S AS LONG AS IT'S NOT BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. YEAH. WE I BEFORE I GOT HERE, I WAS TOLD THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A STRAINED RELATIONSHIP SOMETIMES BETWEEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE TOWN, AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. AND WE'VE THIS THIS GROUP HERE, ALONG WITH SOME OF THEIR STAFF, HAVE REALLY FORMED SOME GREAT RELATIONSHIPS WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS WITHIN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO I'D RATHER BE A GOOD PARTNER. AND IF WE CAN MAKE IT WORK, I'M NOT NECESSARILY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE. IF WE KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GOING TO PUSH SOMEONE OUT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL LIKE IT LONGER. BUT IF WE'VE GOT IT AVAILABLE OR WE CAN DISCOUNT IT RIGHT A LITTLE BIT, TO ME THAT MAKES SENSE. WELL, I WOULD LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO BE 100 TO 200 TO $125. OTHER THAN THAT, I LIKE THE 50 AND 75. OKAY. HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THE TIME PERIODS? DO WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT FOUR HOURS? I THINK IT WORKS.SEEMS TO BE WORKING OKAY. YEAH. TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT OKAY. STAFF WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU. OKAY. EVERYBODY FEELS GOOD ABOUT 125 FOR JUST THAT ONE. THE. THE 100 TO 200 PEOPLE OKAY. THEN WE CAN KEEP AND THEN THE NONRESIDENT. DO YOU WANT TO ADJUST THAT AT ALL OR HOW DO YOU I WOULD SAY I WOULD NOT RAISE IT BECAUSE WE GET MAYBE WHAT ONE RESERVATION AT THIS POINT. SO AT BEST I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I THINK THE POINT HAS BEEN MADE. YEAH.
IF YOU WILL. SO AND YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET 1 OR 2 THAT'S GREAT. IT'S A LITTLE MORE REVENUE TOO. I THINK IF WE GET IT TOO FAR OUT OF BOUNDS, WE'LL NEVER SEE IT. I THINK IF YOU HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE 500, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
NO, AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. LET'S GO DOWN TO SYNTHETIC TURF FIELDS.
CURRENTLY FOR A RESIDENT WE CHARGE 70. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO BUMP THE RESIDENT FEE AT ALL.
NONRESIDENT. CURRENTLY WE GO AT 70. I PRESENTED 125 BACK IN THE FALL AND I WAS TOLD WE NEED TO GO HARDER ON THE NONRESIDENTS. SO I'M LOOKING TO BUMP UNTIL I MADE THE. OUR STAFF HAVE PROPOSED 150. I WILL TELL YOU FIELDS ARE AT A PREMIUM AND I THINK TREVOR'S RIGHT. IF WE OPENED THEM UP, WE COULD WE COULD PROBABLY WE COULD PROBABLY GET MORE. IF HE THOUGHT SO. BUT WE'RE AT THAT POINT WE'RE DOUBLING MORE THAN DOUBLING WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR BEFORE. SO. I THINK FOR ME, DAN, KIND OF WHAT COUNCIL SAYS, I AGREE, WHICH IS OUR FIELDS ARE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. SO I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE NONRESIDENT 200 OR CLOSER LIKE MAKE IT PAINFUL. I MEAN, BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE IN A NEED FOR FIELDS, WE DON'T HAVE THEM IN OUR OWN. PEOPLE CAN'T USE THEM. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME SELECT TEAMS THAT ARE WILLING TO SHELL THAT OUT. NO PROBLEM. YEAH, I'D RATHER MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND IF COUNCIL FEELS LIKE THAT'S TOO HIGH, THAT'S FINE. BUT LET'S JUST FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT CEILING IS. WELL, AND UNLIKE THE PAVILION, THIS IS A HIGH WEAR AND TEAR. RIGHT. SO THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY THAT GOES INTO THE CARE OF THESE FIELDS. SO YEAH, JUST TO HELP PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT ON THAT ONE. SO ORIGINALLY THE SYNTHETIC TURF FIELDS WAS NON-NEGOTIABLE. RESIDENT ONLY NOW WHENEVER WE THERE WAS A ORDINANCE CHANGE ABOUT 2 OR 3 YEARS, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO OR SO. THAT SAID, WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO NON RESIDENTS TO RENT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY DISC SCHEDULING. SO BASICALLY FALL AND SPRING, UNLESS THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON, IT'S PRETTY MUCH OUT OF THE QUESTION ON RENTING OUT TO NONRESIDENTS. BUT SINCE IN THE SUMMER AND WINTER THERE'S NO SEASONS GOING ON NOW PER ORDINANCE, NON RESIDENTS DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RENT. THAT PRICE NEVER GOT RAISED.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A FLAT 70. SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME AN IDEA THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY RESIDENTS ONLY NON-NEGOTIABLE.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SET A PRICE FOR THOSE, OKAY. SO I'VE GOT KYLE AT 200 FOR NOW. I PROMISE I'M NOT GOING TO GO AUCTIONEER ON YOU. NO, I LIKE IT. I THINK THERE'S THOUGHT BEHIND IT. I THINK THERE'S PURPOSE BEHIND IT. I THINK THERE'S SOME DYNAMICS THAT ARE CHANGING. AND I'M. I'M ALL FOR THE 200. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO KNOW
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WHAT KYLE THINKS ABOUT THE 200. WHAT? TREVOR. TREVOR. SORRY, SORRY, SORRY. I WOULD AGREE BY DOING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT NOT A LOT OF TOWNS AND CITIES DO, AND THAT'S AVAILABILITY OF TURF RENTALS FOR ANY YOUTH SPORTS GROUP. THAT IS, EVERYBODY WANTS THAT AND I, I DON'T I EVEN THINK IF WE SAID OKAY IT'S 200, THEY'LL PAY 200. BUT NO, I THINK IT'S A PRETTY I THINK IT'S A GOOD DECISION TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TIERS FOR RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS. SALINA, THE ONLY OTHER TOWN THAT HAS SYNTHETIC FIELDS FOR RENTAL BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY OTHERS ON HERE AND UNLESS I'M MISSING THEM. SO SYNTHETIC TURF FIELDS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, SALINA HAS THEM. FRISCO DOES. AND ALLEN OKAY. TO MY KNOWLEDGE. WE WOULD WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE FIELDS ON THERE. I CAN'T REALLY SEE WHERE I'LL LOOK AT WHAT TY HAS, BUT JUST THAT'S JUST TO MY KNOWLEDGE OF OTHER GROUPS. THAT AND SOME AND SOME DON'T RENT THEM OUT. SOME JUST SAY THIS IS FOR OUR OWN YOUTH SPORTS ASSOCIATIONS ON THEIR. SO SINCE YOU'VE OPENED IT UP FOR NONRESIDENTS, HAVE YOU SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE, NONRESIDENTS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF RENTING THE FIELDS, OR IS IT STILL PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTS FOR THE SYNTHETIC? NO, IT'S I DON'T HAVE A PERCENTAGE. I MEAN, IT'S MAJORITY PROSPER. BUT LIKE I SAID, FRISCO AND SALINA ARE TWO THAT COME TO MIND AS FAR AS PEOPLE TRYING TO RENT OUT THE SYNTHETIC TURF FIELDS DURING THE OFF SEASONS. NOW I GET A LOT OF INQUIRIES FROM THEM, BUT ONCE THE SEASON'S IN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK THEM TO SUBMIT AN ATHLETIC FIELD REQUEST, BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S GOING TO GET MOST LIKELY GET DENIED JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AVAILABLE SPACE. BECAUSE ONCE IT GETS GOING, THE FIELDS THAT GET THE MOST USE THROUGH THE SEASONS. AND MATT CAN PROBABLY ATTEST TO THIS OUTSIDE OF SOCCER, OBVIOUSLY ON THE GRASSES, BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, LACROSSE, FOOTBALL. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 530 TO 830.THOSE THINGS ARE BOOKED SOLID. I ALWAYS FORGET ABOUT THE LACROSSE FIELD. SO ARE WE GOOD AT 200? DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I'M GOOD WITH TWO ON THAT. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT, LET'S KEEP GOING. NOW FOR OUR JUST OUR GRASS FIELDS, OUR REGULAR TURF FIELDS FOR RESIDENT. IT'S BEEN $35. WE'RE NOT ASKING TO BUMP THAT FOR FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
FOR NONRESIDENT IT IS CURRENTLY $45 AN HOUR. I HAD PROPOSED $100 AN HOUR, BUT FOR I'M SORRY FOR NONRESIDENTS. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THAT. OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT HIGHER, WE CAN WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL, KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FOR FOR SYNTHETIC TURF, WHICH IS TYPICALLY BIGGER DESIRE TO USE. YOU'RE PAYING 200 NOW OR WE'LL WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE 200. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT OR DO YOU FEEL WE SHOULD LAND WITH A WITH A REGULAR GRASS FIELD? IS THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE GRASS FIELD HARDER FOR YOUR GUYS TO KEEP UP WITH? LIKE IT'S LIKE PEOPLE DO SOME MORE DAMAGE ON THE GRASS FIELDS AS OPPOSED TO THE SYNTHETIC.
YEAH. I MEAN FOR FOR YOU GUYS TO REPAIR. RIGHT. YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR TELL US. SO THEY COME OUT TWICE A YEAR. SO THAT'S $50,000 FOR THE WHOLE SEASON FOR ARTIFICIAL, FOR THE ARTIFICIAL. SO THEY DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE. THEY DO ALL THE TURF SWEEPING THE FIXING THE SEAMS, WHATEVER HAPPENS, CLEANING. BUT YES, ME AND MY STAFF, WE DO EVERYTHING ON THE GRASS IN-HOUSE. SO WHEN THERE'S A HOLE, WE FIX IT, WE RESTORE IT, VERIFY TOPDRESS, WATER, CHEMICALS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. SO. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SWAY ANYTHING, BUT ARE WE TALKING PER HOUR FOR A TEAM OF WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON TEAMS? OR IS THIS JUST ONE HOUR PER PERSON? WHAT'S THE LITTLE THING? BECAUSE IF YOU GO BY THE TEN, IF YOU'RE $100 FOR AN HOUR, THAT'S STILL ONLY $10 PER KID. SO NOW WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO A RESIDENTIAL FEE FOR GRASS THAT TAKES WAY MORE MONEY FOR US TO. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE I MEAN, IF IF A DAD WANTED TO RUN A FIELD, TAKE HIS SO HE HAS A COUPLE KIDS OUT OR HE CAN BRING A TEAM OUT. BUT THE TEAM MORE KIDS, RIGHT? THEY SELECT TEAMS. THEY'LL PAY A LOT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN HOUSE. YEAH.
RESIDENT. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO BRING UP, IS THAT IF NONRESIDENTS TEARING UP OUR
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GRASS FIELD AND WE HAVE TO SIT THERE AND WE'RE LITERALLY WATCHING GRASS GROW, THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO. AND NOW RESIDENTS ARE ALSO HAVING TO PAY THAT PRICE. SO IF RESIDENTS TEAR IT UP, THAT'S ONE THING WE COULD OBVIOUSLY ADDRESS. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME THING, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT GO UP A LITTLE BIT. BUT I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY DEFER TO YOU ALL ON LIKE WHERE YOU FELT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY PRICE THEM OUT TO A, THEY NEVER RENT IT BUT MAKE IT TO WHERE IT IT'S GOING TO STING A LITTLE. AND MATT'S POINT I MEAN IT IS IT'S ONLY TEN BUCKS A KID RIGHT NOW IF THEY GO OUT THERE. SO BE CURIOUS WHAT THE REST OF THE BOARD THINKS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S REALLY I THINK IT'S TWOFOLD. WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING FOR POTENTIAL REVENUE, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PRESERVE OUR ASSETS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. SO AND AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR COUNCIL, BUT I THINK IF I HAD THE MAYOR STANDING NEXT TO ME, I THINK HE'D SAY HE'D BE JUST FINE WITH US HAVING THAT FIELD OPEN AND RESTING, THEN MAKING 100 BUCKS TO HAVE 15 KIDS COME OUT THERE AND TEAR IT UP. SO. BUT THEN HE'S GOING TO GO, WE ARE THE PARK SPORTS. SO TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS WITH IT. SO I MEAN MAYBE 125, 150 I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN I'D RATHER. YEAH. BECAUSE HERE'S THE OTHER THING ON THIS. WE CAN I JUST TOLD YOU AN HOUR AGO OR WHATEVER TIME AGO, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO CHANGE ORDINANCES EVERY SIX MONTHS, EVERY YEAR. BUT THIS ISN'T WRITTEN IN STONE. SO THIS WOULD BE THE UPCOMING YEAR, IF YOU WILL. IF WE GO, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, MAN, THOSE PRICES REALLY WERE HURTING NOW BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING NO REVENUE OR WHATEVER. DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T GO BACK AND CHANGE IT AND ADJUST. SO A FEE SCHEDULE, NOT AN ORDINANCE. BINGO, BINGO. THAT'D BE PERFECT IF YOU ALL CAME AND TOLD US, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS, DO THEY CLOSE? I ASSUME WE CLOSE ALL FIELDS IN THE RAIN. YEAH, THESE PRACTICE FIELDS. IS THAT OKAY? I MEAN, I KNOW THEY DON'T KIND OF ABIDE BY IT. YEAH. AND WE ALSO HAVE EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT PEOPLE WANT. YEAH, YEAH. SO THESE ARE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC UNLESS THEY'RE BEING RENTED. THEY'RE. NOW IF WE'RE DOING SEASONS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE'VE, IF WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF PBS IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR BASEBALL SEASON, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY'RE NOT USING A COUPLE FIELDS, WE CAN RENT THOSE OUT TO AN OUTSIDE GROUP. SO. BUT BUT THEY'RE LOCKED. UNLESS YOU'RE RENTING THEM. SO THERE'S STAFF GET INVOLVED ON THAT ONE. AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE. BUT SO I HEARD KYLE SAY 125 IS THAT ARE WE. 125 YEAH. 125 FOR FOR GRASS. YEAH. NON RESIDENT. YES. CORRECT. NON RESIDENT OKAY.YEAH I HAD 50 AND 150 ON MY HOMEWORK. AND I WAS ONLY DOING THAT BECAUSE I'M A BIG FAN OF MATT FOR. BUT NO I YEAH YOU KNOW SO YEAH WHATEVER I'M GOOD WITH 150 OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PROBABLY JUST KEEPING UP WITH THE COST OF LABOR AND MATERIALS THAT HE HAS TO DEAL WITH, RIGHT? RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU GET YOU OFFER YOUR 239, YOU GET A 22% INCREASE. YEAH, IT'S $50,000. YOU GOT TO BLOW THROUGH THAT FAST. AND AGAIN, I JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS KNOW THAT YOU'RE THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS THAT WORKS FOR THE TOWN OF PROSPER IS ALL ABOUT PROVIDING SERVICES FOR FOR KIDS, ADULTS, WHOMEVER. YEAH, BUT IT'S ALSO, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S THE MIDDLE OF A BUSY TIME OR A SLOW TIME, IT'S NOT ALWAYS A BAD THING TO HAVE A FIELD NOT BEING PLAYED ON. SO IF THAT'S IF IF SOME PEOPLE GO, OH MY GOSH, WE GOT WE GOT A RESOURCE THAT NEEDS TO BE PROGRAMED, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY ON THERE, SOMEBODY ELSE, OLD PARK OPS GUY, CURRENT PARK OPS GUY.
WE GO WHO YOU MAY HE MIGHT HAVE BOUGHT ME A YOU KNOW, THAT FIELD'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF A BREATHER. SO IT JUST IT'S WHERE DO YOU GUYS SIT ON THAT? SO IF YOU WANT TO THROW A LITTLE MORE MONEY AT IT. AND IF I WOULDN'T BE SCARED THAT IT'S GOING TO RUN SOMEONE OFF. I FIELDS ARE AT SUCH A PREMIUM. I THINK WE'LL FIND SOMEONE. YEAH. AND IF WE DON'T THEN AGAIN YOU GET SOME REST. AND THEN AGAIN, IF WE'VE GOT NOBODY PLAYING, THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU NEXT YEAR AND GO, ALRIGHT, MAYBE WE WERE A LITTLE STRONG ON THAT. CAN WE COME BACK AND MAYBE
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KNOCK IT BACK BY X. RIGHT. SO AGAIN THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T FOREVER AND EVER. WE CAN LOOK AT THIS. YEAH. YEAH I MEAN WE OUR OUR ASSETS ARE SUCH A PREMIUM. AND IN, IN MY MIND I, I WOULD, I WOULD RATHER I WOULD RATHER CHARGE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE LEVEL THAT PEOPLE EXPECT AS OPPOSED TO NOT CHARGING ENOUGH. AND THEN YOU GOT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE WHOLE STINKING CITY THAT YEAH, OUR FIELDS REALLY AREN'T WHAT THEY USED TO BE, ARE THEY? YOU KNOW, SO I JUST I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT IS GOOD TO TALK ABOUT IS A FEE SCHEDULE. IF IT DOESN'T WORK. BUT THE INCREASES I THINK WE ADJUST. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT THAT NUMBER TO BE. AND I NEED EVERYBODY TO NOD. YOU SAY YOU WERE. YOU WERE ALSO STATING TO RAISE THE RESIDENT. CORRECT. IS THAT. YES, I'D SAY RAISE RESIDENT TO 150 AND ONE 50 5150. NON RESIDENT OKAY. IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT ONE? I GOT A HEAD SHAKE ON THE RIGHT. SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT RAISING THE RESIDENT RATE. I'M I'M FOR SURE ON THE NONRESIDENT RATE BECAUSE THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK YOU A QUESTION.WHY DIDN'T WE RAISE THE SYNTHETIC TURF TURF RESIDENT. YEAH. YEAH, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ASK THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO I MEAN, I DO AGREE WITH BOB. I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THESE FEES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE, BUT I MEAN, EVERYTHING'S MORE EXPENSIVE NOW, INCLUDING MATCH MATERIALS. SO MAYBE IF WE JUST BUMPED UP RESIDENT $5 ON SYNTHETIC AND THEN WE WENT TO 40 ON THE GRASS. SO WE WE WENT UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO PUNISH OUR RESIDENTS. AND THAT'S I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. SO SYNTHETIC TURF RIGHT. RIGHT NOW WE HAD SAID 70 FOR RESIDENT. ARE WE TALKING 75 NOW. YEAH. EVERYBODY GET WITH THAT. YES OR OKAY WITH IT MAY NOT BE GREAT BUT OKAY OKAY. SO LET'S SAY 75 RESIDENT NON RESIDENT. WE WENT TO 200 OKAY. WE'RE ON BOARD THEIR GRASS FIELDS. RESIDENT WE'RE GOING TO GO 4040. AND THEN NONRESIDENT 150 5150 OKAY. OKAY. GOOD DEAL.
TOURNAMENTS IN CHEDDAR BEFORE YOU FREAK OUT ON ME WELL YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FREAK OUT. YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW BECAUSE I'M DOING THIS WRONG. SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE LAYERS AGAIN, JUST LIKE OUR OTHER ONES. I WASN'T PROPOSING CHANGING OUR LOCAL GROUPS TOURNAMENTS. WHAT THE FEES I'M LOOKING AT CHANGING ARE NON RESIDENT NON SPONSORED CO-SPONSORED LEAKS WE'RE ALREADY GETTING. WHEN I SHOWED YOU THAT 240,000, WE'RE BRINGING IN ON FIELD RENTALS, PROBABLY 200 OF THAT'S FROM THIS GROUP THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND HIT UP AGAIN. SO SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I'M STILL PROPOSING LEAVING OUR CO-SPONSORED RESIDENT OR RESIDENT OR RESIDENT, BUT NOT SPONSORED. AND IS THAT IT? THOSE TWO LEAVING THOSE ALONE WHERE THEY ARE NOW, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THAT. I DIDN'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB GIVING YOU GUYS THE TOURNAMENT STUFF, BUT I THINK WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO GO, BECAUSE WE DO. HE GETS CALLS. PEOPLE ARE THEY DRIVE BY, THEY SEE THOSE FIELDS AND THEY WANT TO USE THEM JUST TO HIT UP THE NON RESIDENT NON CO-SPONSORED. SO THEY'RE NOT PART OF PSC. THEY DON'T LIVE HERE RIGHT. THESE ARE THESE ARE THE OUTSIDERS THAT ARE GOING HEY WE KNOW PROSPER'S GOT A PRETTY SWEET DEAL. WE CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONEY IN THE DFW AREA BY RUNNING A FLAG FOOTBALL, SOCCER WHATEVER TOURNAMENTS. SO SO LET'S LOOK AT THAT. SO THAT BEING SAID, RIGHT NOW WE CHARGE $50 PER TEAM FOR UP TO TWO DAY TOURNAMENT. THEN IF THEY ADD A DAY THEY WANT TO GO A THIRD DAY, THAT 50 ACTUALLY GETS AN ADDITIONAL 30 THROWN AT IT. WE DO $100 DEPOSIT PER FIELD, BUT THERE'S A $1,000 MINIMUM. SO IF IT'S A 14 OR IF THEY SAY THEY DON'T THEY BECAUSE THEY BOOK THESE MONTHS OUT, IF THEY RUN THE REGISTRATION, THEY DON'T GET THE NUMBERS THEY WANT. WE'RE NOT COMING IN HERE WITH FOUR TEAMS, 200, WHATEVER.
THEY'VE MADE SPONSORSHIP, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO PAY US $1,000 MINIMUM FEE. SO WHAT I PROPOSED WAS BUMPING THE THE TEAM FEE UP TO 60. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO MORE THAN THIS 40 PER ADDITIONAL DAY. I DIDN'T TOUCH THE DEPOSIT PER FIELD, AND WE BUMPED THE MINIMUM FEE
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UP $250 AND THEN ASK FOR 10% OF THEIR GATE GATE FEE. WE'VE NEVER ASKED FOR GATE FEES BEFORE. WE'VE NEVER ASKED FOR GATE FEES BEFORE. WE NEVER HAVE. BUT WE LET THEM CHARGE ATTENDEES. OH, THEY ALWAYS DO. THEY ALREADY DO. YEAH. HOW IS THAT RECEIVED? BY LIKE RANDOM RESIDENTS JUST WANTING TO GO USING THE DURING THE TOURNAMENT. IT'S IT'S ONLY AT THE FIELD SO YOU CAN STILL YOU CAN STILL GO TO FRONTIER IF YOU'RE LET'S SAY THEY'RE RENTING THE THREE THE THREE BASEBALL FIELDS ON THE NORTH END, THE THREE SYNTHETIC FIELDS. SO WE CAN LOCK THAT COMPLEX DOWN. SO THEY SET SOMEBODY BASICALLY AT THE FRONT TAKING A TICKET, JUST LIKE IF YOU WERE GOING TO REPEAT, YOU PAID YOUR TOURNAMENT FEES AND THEN YOU SHOW UP AND THEN YOU'RE LIKE, OH, GREAT, I GOT TO PAY TO PARK. AND NOW I GOT TO PAY TO GET IN, AND SO DO MY PARENTS. AND SO YOU'RE LIKE, JUST BUT THAT'S JUST MONEY IN THEIR POCKET. NO ONE ELSE GETS.HOW MANY TOURNAMENTS DO Y'ALL HOST IN A YEAR AND WHAT KINDS? FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE A WE'LL HAVE TWO FLAG FOOTBALL TOURNAMENTS, ONE THIS WEEKEND, ONE THIS SATURDAY AND ONE NEXT SATURDAY, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE UP TO. TWO BASEBALL TOURNAMENTS. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE BASEBALL TOURNAMENTS, WE MAKE SURE THAT AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, I WANT TO RUN A TOURNAMENT ON, WE'LL PICK ON SPRING BREAK WEEKEND OF SPRING BREAK. A LOT OF TIMES.
FOR INSTANCE, THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR FOR THE UPCOMING ONE IN MARCH, HE WAS PART OF PBSA AT ONE POINT, SO HE STILL HAS CONTACTS WITH THEM. SO HE WILL REACH OUT TO THEM, SAY, HEY, ARE Y'ALL DOING ANYTHING THAT WEEKEND? SURE, THAT'S FINE. EVEN WHEN HE DOES COME BACK TO ME, I'M STILL GETTING WHAT THE PRESIDENT OF PBSA SAID. THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD THAT YOU TALKED TO THEM, BUT THAT GOES THROUGH TOWN ONLY. SO MAYBE WE'LL CALL IT SIX TOURNAMENTS THROUGHOUT A YEAR WITH HOW IT'S SET UP. AND THAT'S THE ONLY ATHLETIC COMPLEX WE HAVE. WE JUST DON'T REALLY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TO HOST TOURNAMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE YOUTH SPORTS ASSOCIATIONS. NOW, I KNOW THERE ARE THERE IS SOME INTEREST FROM THE YOUTH SPORTS ASSOCIATIONS WHERE THEY CAN DO A PBSA, A PIZA, A PROSPER TOURNAMENT THAT GETS A LITTLE. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, IF THIS IS A CO-SPONSORED PBSA TOURNAMENT, WHAT'S THE HOW MANY PROSPER TEAMS ARE IN THERE? JUST BEING HONEST HERE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A 25 TEAM PROSPER ONLY TOURNAMENT. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU WE MIGHT HAVE THAT MANY UNLESS IT'S THEIR TERM. IF IT'S A PBSA TOURNAMENT AND IT'S PART OF THAT, WE'RE DOING AN END OF SEASON TOURNAMENT LIKE A PLAYOFFS KIND OF DEAL. THAT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE THING. BUT IF THEY'RE WANTING TO DO A TOURNAMENT WHERE THEY WOULD BE GOING BY THE TOURNAMENT GUIDELINES OR ANYTHING, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE A TOURNAMENT OF 90% PROSPER. KIDS AND ALL 20 TEAMS ARE PROSPER. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST BEING HONEST ON IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NOW, IF WE HAD 150, 200,000 PEOPLE, MAYBE THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT THAT'S THAT'S REALLY HOW WE'VE KIND OF DEALT WITH THAT SITUATION WHEN IT COMES TO HOW WE ALLOW THESE GROUPS TO COME IN. AND THESE ARE ALSO NOT THROWN UNDER THE BUS, BUT THESE ARE ALSO DIRECTOR APPROVAL AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH IF AT ALL, EVERYTHING CHECKS OUT, IT'S AVAILABLE. MAYBE IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD FIT. MAYBE IT'S A HOLIDAY WEEKEND, MAYBE WE'RE SHORT STAFFED AND IT'S JUST DOESN'T. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HOST A TOURNAMENT AND MAKE SURE THE COMPLEX IS CLEAN AND SAFE, AND BATHROOMS ARE WORKING ON THINGS, BECAUSE THEN YOU GET INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION OF THE PARK IS TRASHED, THE BATHROOMS AREN'T WORKING, AND IT'S A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE TOWN IF WE CAN'T MAINTAIN OUR STANDARDS. IF I HAVE ANY DOUBT, THEN I'M GOING TO MOST LIKELY SAY NO TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NOW, THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS TOO. YOU GOT RAYMOND COMMUNITY PARK. THAT'S ALL. THE FIELDS SHOULD BE UP AND BLOWING BY THE SUMMER, LATE, LATE SPRING. SO THAT COULD TRIGGER SOME ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR TOURNAMENTS AS WELL, BECAUSE WHETHER THEY NEED, THEY CAN RUN ONE AT ONE OR THEY CAN RUN BOTH. NO, WE DON'T HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF AT RAYMOND, BUT I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS WHAT TIME OF YEAR YOU'RE PLAYING. I THINK SOMEONE WOULD JUMP ON THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO QUESTION ON THE THE GATE FEE.
DAN, YOU'D STATED THAT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WEREN'T ALIGNED IN THAT. THAT ONE BASICALLY DIDN'T WANT A GATE FEE. AND THEN I GUESS THE OTHER SAID STATED THAT IF THEY DO CHARGE ONE, THAT WE'D LIKE TO TAKE SOMETHING OFF THE TOP. SO I GUESS I HAVE AN UNORTHODOX QUESTION. IS THERE A WAY FOR US IN PROSPER TO CREATE A POLICY THAT WE DON'T ALLOW GATE FEES AT TOURNAMENTS SO THAT WE CAN ALL JUST WE CAN CERTAINLY TELL THEM WHATEVER WE WANT. SO IF
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SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO USE YOUR FACILITY THIS WEEKEND FOR WE GOT 20 TEAMS COMING IN, WHATEVER THAT IS. WE CAN SAY, SURE, HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT THE FIELD RENTAL IS, HERE'S WHAT THIS IS. AND BY THE WAY, NO GATE FEES. AND THEY MAY GO, OH, NOT INTERESTED. OR THEY MAY TURN AROUND AND GO, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CHARGE ALL THE TEAMS AN EXTRA 100 BUCKS, OR BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO TURN THE GATE FEE INTO THEIR TOURNAMENT FEES. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS THEN WHY DON'T WE UP OUR IF WE REMOVE THE GATE FEE, BUT WE NEED TO RECOUP A LITTLE BIT MORE, CAN WE JUST GO FROM 60 TO 65 AND SAY, HEY, THERE ARE NO GATE FEES AND THEY'RE GOING TO BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE HIDDEN FEES. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE GATE FEE IS. WELL, YEAH, I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO VOTE AGAINST HAVING A GATE FEE BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE GATE FEE IDEA. AND I WAS ACTUALLY GOING WITH 75, 60, 215 HUNDRED OR MAYBE MORE ON THE MINIMUM FEE. I JUST I DON'T LIKE PERCENTAGE OF GATE FEES THAT I KNOW. IT'S THE HONESTY OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING, BUT I DON'T LIKE PAYING TO GO WATCH MY KID PLAY. AND IF I CAN FOREGO, WELL, AGAIN. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TAKING THAT.NOW, IF WHAT I'M ALSO HEARING IS THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'RE NOT OKAY WITH GATE FEES BEING CHARGED AT ALL. I THINK THAT'S WHAT KYLE IS SAYING. YES. YEAH. AND AND YEAH, YEAH. AND WE CAN BUT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO LIKE FOREGO ACTUALLY TAKING A PIECE OF ANY FEES AND LIKE GETTING THAT OFF THE TABLE COMPLETELY. AND THEN IF WE GO WITH WHAT KYLE SAYS WE CAN WRITE THAT IN ALSO. BUT THAT'S JUST MY. YEAH I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. Y'ALL DID BENCHMARK CITIES FOR THE PAVILION RENTALS AND THE FIELD RENTALS. DID YOU ALSO DO IT FOR TOURNAMENTS? DID WE HAVE A TOURNAMENT ON THERE? TREVOR I SEE ONE FROM SELENA. THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE. MY NEXT QUESTION ONE SAYS TOURNAMENT RATES FOR GRASS 350 A DAY, SYNTHETICS 400 PER DAY.
FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THE FIELD RENTAL FEES IS JUST TO FILL RENTAL FEES. AND THE I WANT TO SAY IN THE PAST THAT WE HAVE HAD TO DO THIS KIND OF I SAY BENCHMARKING, BUT COMPARING.
IF YOU'RE FINE WITH IT, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BRING IT BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH OUR ORDINANCE CHANGE FOR THE SYNTHETIC TURFS, THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING WE WERE LOOKING AT AS WELL. AND SOME CITIES, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SOME CITIES DON'T TOUCH TOURNAMENTS. THEY LIKE THEIR FIELDS AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BRING THAT THING IN. THEY DON'T WANT TO BRING THAT ASPECT INTO IT. ONES THAT HAVE MORE HOTEL AND MOTEL, THEY'RE MORE OPEN TO DO IT, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE TAKING ANOTHER PERCENTAGE OUT OF REVENUE TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE PUMP MONEY BACK INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. BUT I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THE BOARD. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A COMPARISON AND THEN ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IF WE'RE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NOT CHARGING GATE FEES FOR TOURNAMENTS, LIKE WHAT IMPACT THAT HAS ON THESE RATES. SURE. SO WE COULD IF YOU WANT, WE CAN CHOOSE NOT TO TOUCH THE TOURNAMENT FEES NOW. NOW I'M STILL IN TWO WEEKS. I'M STILL PRESENTING TO COUNCIL AND I CAN TELL THEM WE'RE GOING TO STUDY THIS A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND THEN MAY COME BACK TO YOU NEXT YEAR WITH SOME OTHER INFORMATION OR DATA TO TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE. SO IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. AND THEN WE'LL PULL TOGETHER THE TOURNAMENT INFORMATION AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND BRING IT BACK TO AT A LATER MEETING. I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THE TOURNAMENTS ONLY PLAYED ON THE TURF FIELD OR ARE THEY ARE THERE SOME THAT GENERALLY ASK FOR THE GRASS TO? YES ON THEY'LL THEY'LL TAKE AS IN AS MANY FIELDS DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE TOURNAMENT. THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR AND AND THE AREA. THEY'LL TAKE AS GET. WE DT CURRENTLY RENT THE GRASS FIELDS OUT FOR ANY KIND OF PRACTICES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. PBSA DOES UTILIZE THE GRASS FIELDS FOR THEIR GAMES AND SOME PRACTICES, BUT WE'RE PRETTY I MEAN, IT'S ON OUR WE HAVE SIGNAGE OUT THERE THAT THEY ARE GAME FIELDS ONLY. SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE THAT GETS APPROVED THROUGH PARKS OPERATIONS. AND THE DIRECTOR, IF WE WANTED TO OPEN THAT UP. BUT RIGHT NOW THE. TOURNAMENTS THAT WE DO OFFER ARE SPECIFICALLY TURF. WE DO TALK ABOUT CONTINGENCIES. IF THERE'S RAIN, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A KIND OF A SEPARATE DEAL TO IF YOU DO GRASS FIELDS ONLY WE WOULD HAVE A CONTINGENCY ON TURF. BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T REALLY OFFER UP GRASS UNLESS THE QUESTIONS ASKED. AND EVEN IF THE QUESTIONS ASKED WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S APPROVED
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THROUGH EVERYONE. BEFORE WE SIGN OFF ON THAT ONE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TURF. ONLY IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. NO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO ARE WE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY NUMBERS ON THE TOURNAMENT STUFF? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD OR ARE WE. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT TO UNTIL WE HAVE A COMPARISON. IF WE'RE IF WE'RE MAKING THE MOTION TO REMOVE GATE FEES, THEN I THINK IT WOULD IMPACT THE RATES. AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT RATES, I CAN FIND OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO. ELIMINATE GATE FEES FROM OUR AS AN OPTION FOR FOR PEOPLE COMING TO RUN TOURNAMENTS. YOU GUYS HAVE ALL PRETTY MUCH EXPRESSED THE FACT YOU DON'T LIKE THEM HERE. I'M NOT SURE IF I'VE GOT TO GET COUNCIL TO SIGN OFF ON THAT, BUT I'LL ASK. SO. SO THE END OF THIS MONTH, ARE YOU TAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PRICING ON THIS TO COUNCIL? AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE'RE COMING BACK AND WE'RE LOOKING AT. I THINK SO I THINK WE CAN COME BACK LATER WITH THE TOURNAMENT. OKAY. MY HOPE RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE. SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE IS THAT OUR ORDINANCE DOES LIST OUT THE FEES INSTEAD OF HAVING A FEE SCHEDULE. RIGHT. AND SO EVERY TIME YOU HAVE TO. YEAH. RIGHT. SO I THINK I'M HOPING WE'VE WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN THE PAST. CAN WE GET IT TO WHERE IT'S A FEE SCHEDULE. YOU GET EVERYTHING LISTED OUT THAT WAY. IF WE ALL DETERMINE, HEY THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE, CHANGE IT. AND WE'RE WE'RE MOVING DOWN THE ROAD WITHOUT MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO BUT IF SO. SO WHAT I'M HEARING AND PLEASE NOD OR SHAKE YOUR HEAD. NO, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TABLE THE TOURNAMENTS. WE WILL NOT INCLUDE THAT IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE UPCOMING MEETING LATER THIS MONTH, BUT WE WILL GET YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION. AND IN THE MEANTIME, FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN SO WE CAN JUST ELIMINATE GATE FEES ALTOGETHER AT AT OUR FACILITIES FOR FOR THE SAKE OF EXPEDITING THINGS, COULD YOU DO AN OPTION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND GET BENCHMARK CITIES. COULD YOU DO AN OPTION THAT SAYS IF WE GET RID OF GATE FEES, THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. IF WE KEEP GATE FEES, THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND. AND THEN JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, EXCEPT FOR FOR YOU GUYS TO DO FURTHER BENCHMARKING. SURE. AND THEN MAYBE THEY WOULD BE THEY WILL CHOOSE. YES. WE WANT TO KEEP THE GATE FEES AND THESE RATES OR YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE ONLY HEARD FROM TWO WHEN IT CAME UP AT THE OCTOBER MEETING, I HAD ONE COUNCILMAN THAT WAS LIKE THEY WEREN'T FOR OR AGAINST THE GATE. THERE WERE FOUR AGAINST US TAKING A CUT, BUT IT WAS TWO PEOPLE, NOT THE OTHER FIVE. SO. OKAY, SO WE CAN I CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THAT TO THEM TO GOING. WE CAN PICK ONE OF THESE FEE SCHEDULES, IF YOU WILL, THAT HAS A GATE FEE COMPONENT TO IT. BUT I CAN ALSO SAY PARKS BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE GATE FEES ELIMINATED. TOTALLY. SO IF COUNCIL SUPPORTS THAT, WE GO WITH THE ONE WHERE THERE IS NO PULL FROM GATE FEES. SO WOULD YOU THEN WOULD YOU WANT ME TO? AND I KNOW KNOWING THAT WE CAN STILL COME BACK. SO HERE'S WHAT, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. LET'S PICK ONE OF THESE ITEMS HERE. WE CAN KEEP IT WHERE IT'S AT. NOW YOU CAN GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I'LL HAVE THE I'LL HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM REGARDING GATE FEES. AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME WE'LL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING, BRING THAT TO YOU. AND THEN WITH THINKING THAT POSSIBLY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, WE GO BACK AND ASK THEM TO LET US MAKE A CHANGE ON THE THE TOURNAMENT. AND IF THEY ASK WHY, I MEAN, THERE'S NO REGULATION ON A GATE FEE RIGHT NOW. IT COULD BE $5, IT COULD BE 50. AND THEN THE CITY GETS NONE OF THAT RIGHT? IT GOES RIGHT IN THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR'S POCKET. SO THEN WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT TECHNICALLY THEIR TAXES PAID FOR A FIELD, AND THEY'RE PAYING ADDITIONAL FEES TO JUST ENTER A PARK. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A HANG UP ON AND WOULD LIKE TO JUST GET THAT KIND OF REMOVED. AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PERCENTAGES, BUT THAT'S IF THEY ASK. THAT'S REALLY WHY I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE GATE FEES IN A IN A PUBLIC PARK SETTING. OKAY. AND A PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT LIKE IN MCKINNEY WHERE WE GO PLAY SOCCER ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEIRS. I, I'M GOING TO PAY THAT. NO PROBLEM. IT'S NOT A TAX. THE TAXES DIDN'T GO TO THAT. IT'S PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.BUT HERE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY MIND IS AT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF THE BOARD IS ALIGNED WITH THAT. BUT I LIKE CARRIE'S PROPOSAL SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A DANCE FOR A WHILE. OKAY. I WOULD SAY, AND I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE DON'T HAVE
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GATE FEES DEFINED IN ANY OF THE ORDINANCES. IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN ANY OF THE TOURNAMENTS. SO WE WOULD ONE DECIDE THIS IS JUST RECOMMENDATION DECIDE DO WE WANT GATE FEES TO EVEN BE A PART OF THIS THING, OR DO WE WANT TO JUST SAY NO GATE FEES ALTOGETHER? AND SO IF THEN WE SAY NO GATE FEE ALTOGETHER, ONE FEE WOULD BE, WELL, WE ACTUALLY DO WANT GATE FEES. WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE. BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE ANSWERING BOTH YOU'RE AND A MAXIMUM. YES IT'S $10. AND THEN IF THE TOWN COUNCIL DECIDES THEY DO WANT A PERCENTAGE THEN WHAT IS THAT. BUT I WOULD I WOULD RECOMMEND OKAY. IF GATE FEES ARE ALLOWED, THERE IS A CAP BY CITY POLICY OR, YOU KNOW, NOT AN ORDINANCE. WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS, IT SETS THE TABLE FOR THAT DISCUSSION TO DO WITH GATE FEES. SO WHATEVER, WHETHER WE'RE STAYING WHERE WE ARE NOW OR WHETHER YOU WANT TO APPROVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE DON'T INCLUDE GATE FEES. EITHER WAY. THERE'S NOTHING INCLUDED RIGHT NOW. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT OR YOU WANT TO PICK SOMETHING NEW, WE GET AWAY FROM THE GATE FEES AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN THE NEXT MEETING OR TWO AND HAVE YOU ALL ESSENTIALLY, WE'LL HAVE A ITEM FOR YOU GUYS TO VOTE ON, SAYING WE DON'T WANT ANY OF OUR TOURNAMENTS, AND THEN THAT PUSHES THAT DOWN. I TAKE IT TO COUNCIL LATER AND THEY CAN SAY, HEY, PARKS DOESN'T WANT IT.WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. WE MOVE ON. AND THEN TREVOR AND I JUST COMMUNICATE THAT TO WHOMEVER COMES TO US LOOKING FOR A TOURNAMENT. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING IN YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS PEOPLE FROM MAKING A PROFIT ON CITY PROPERTY? NO. OKAY. YEAH, I AGREE WITH CARRIE AND KYLE. I MEAN, I'M LOOKING MUCH MORE AT THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT. AND AND THESE FOLKS ARE IN THE BUSINESS, AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE GATE FEES IS JUST A BAD TASTE, YOU KNOW? NO, I THINK I THINK THAT'S VERY PRUDENT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE COMING BACK LATER SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM ANYWAY. SO LET'S KEEP THEM OFF THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. SO I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION SORRY TO DRAG THIS OUT. ARE WE GOING TO STAY WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THE CURRENT TOURNAMENT FEES? OR ARE YOU ALL WANTING TO GO AHEAD AND WITH WITH GATE FEES BEING THROWN OUT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO THOSE THOSE ARE NO LONGER A PIECE. DO YOU WANT TO UP THOSE OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO HOLD WHERE WE ARE UNTIL WE CAN GET YOU SOME MORE DATA, WE CAN DO ALL THE ABOVE. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND INCREASE THEM NOW IF YOU WANT TO. WE CAN STILL GO GET OUR COMP CITY INFORMATION, BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AND IF WE'RE WAY OFF, THEN WE CAN STILL GO BACK AND MAKE THOSE REQUESTS TO CHANGE. IT PROBABLY MAY NOT BE THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE EARLY NEXT YEAR WE GO BACK AND ASK FOR THE ORDINANCE CHANGE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I DEFINITELY PROPOSE AN INCREASE. OKAY. I THINK ANY TEAM, IF YOU'RE THEY'RE GOING TO THEY WANT TO PLAY. THEY'RE GOING TO PLAY OKAY I THINK 60. SO INCREASE NO GATE FEE PERCENTAGE LIKE 75 5200 AND SOME OTHER NUMBER FOR MINIMUM FEE I DON'T KNOW WHERE DO Y'ALL THINKING AS FAR AS NUMBERS GO. YEAH I MEAN DON'T GET ME WRONG, I DO WANT TO SEE THE COMPARISON, BUT I DO WANT TO I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA BECAUSE WE'RE GOING UP ON OTHER THINGS TOO. AND THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD THING TO GO AHEAD AND LET'S DO SOMETHING IN THE INTERIM. YEAH. AND WE CAN DO SOME MORE RESEARCH. IT'S IT'S ONLY $30 A DAY FOR A TEAM OF 15 KIDS. THAT'S NOT IT'S 50. IT'S 50 FOR THE FIRST TWO. THE ADDITIONAL THE THIRD DAY GOES UP 30 MORE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S 60 A TEAM. OH, I'M SORRY FOR WHAT I'M PROPOSING. YES. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHERE KIND OF WITH VALERIE SAYING IS THAT, I MEAN I WOULD ALMOST SAY $60 A DAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M THINKING OF THE FEES WE PAY FOR SOCCER, AND THEY'RE WAY HIGHER THAN THAT. YEAH. AND WE DON'T NEED TO BE AT THAT LEVEL, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO INCREASE THEM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS NONRESIDENTIAL USE.
BUT ALSO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IT TO WHERE WE DON'T PRICE US OUT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, TO TAXES. I MEAN, TREVOR JUST TALKED ABOUT IT. AND SO AS SOON AS WE START OPENING HOTELS IN TOWN. YEAH. AND I WILL TELL YOU, THIS COUNCIL HAS ASKED ABOUT TOURNAMENTS AND THEY, THEY WANT THEY WANT TO DO THEM. YES. AND YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN WHEN TREVOR MADE A REALLY GOOD POINT ONCE THOSE HOTELS THEY CALL THE HOT TAX, ONCE THAT COMES TO TOWN WE'RE GOING TO BE A WIN-WIN. SO WE DON'T WANT TO PRICE THEM OUT.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF I GUESS WE WOULD RELY ON YOU ALL FROM THE RESEARCH TO KNOW WHERE THOSE NUMBERS NEED TO BE. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, OUR OUR CURRENT NUMBERS, WE HAVE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR TO COME IN. SO A SLIGHT BUMP I CANNOT IMAGINE IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT.
I 75. YEAH, 7560 AND 200. SO $75 PER TEAM UP TO TWO DAYS. YES. SAID HOW MUCH FOR THE NEXT
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ONE? 60, 60 FOR THE ADDED DAY. AND THEN $200 DEPOSIT FOR THE FIELD. YEAH. CORRECT. AND THEN YOU GET THE 1250 MINIMUM OR DO YOU WANT TO. I WANTED TO UP THAT, BUT I WAS WANTING SOME MORE INPUT FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD. I SAID 1500, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT THEY ARE OR THE 1000 NOW. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY 50. YEAH. 15 1500. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S WITHOUT DEALING WITH THE GATE FEES. YEAH. WE HAVE TO CAPTIVATE NO GATE FEES. SO OKAY.ALRIGHT. SO WE'RE GOOD THERE I THINK. OKAY. LET'S MOVE. SO THIS WILL BE WE'LL, WE'LL TRY AND GO QUICKLY THROUGH THIS ONE. THIS IS OUR PARK PLANNING ONE. AND WE DID. SO THIS IS A LITTLE MORE I'D SAY A LITTLE MORE INDUSTRY STANDARD IF YOU WILL. RIGHT NOW IF A DEVELOPER COMES AND YOU'VE HAD TWO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT, HOW WE COME UP WITH ALL THOSE FEES AFTER PAY IS BASED ON SIZE, NUMBER OF HOMES, NUMBER OF OF WHATEVER. SO RIGHT NOW. WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY HAVE TO GIVE US ONE ACRE OF LAND PER 35 UNITS. THAT COULD BE AN APARTMENT, IT COULD BE A HOME. SO SO WE GET THE ONE ACRE PER THAT. OR IF THE NUMBERS IF IF IT'S A LARGER DEVELOPMENT AND LET'S SAY THEY'RE NOT AS DENSELY POPULATED, WE CAN TAKE 5% OF THE TOTAL ACREAGE. SO IF YOU'VE GOT 100 ACRE DEVELOPMENT, 5% WOULD BE FIVE ACRES. LET'S SAY THE COUNT ON THEIR HOMES WOULD ONLY GIVE US FOUR. THEN WE WOULD TAKE THE FIVE. WE TAKE THE LARGER OF THE TWO. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND THIS IS AFTER WE DID CALL SEVERAL OTHER TOWNS AND CITIES TO BUMP THAT TO ONE ACRE PER 30 UNITS, BUT KEEP IT AT THE 5%. THIS GETS TOUGH BECAUSE SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS, OKAY, THEY'RE ALL ABLE TO MAKE MONEY. WE GET THAT. BUT SOMETIMES WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS WRECK THEIR DEAL. RIGHT. SO THEY COULD COME IN AND KYLE AND YOUR YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO FOR SURE. YOU KNOW WE COME IN AND WE START ASKING FOR TOO MUCH. THEN THEY'RE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND GO, OH I CAN'T WE CAN'T DEVELOP AND AND PROSPER. SO I DIDN'T WANT TO GO NUTS ON THIS ONE. PARDON. PARDON MY LANGUAGE IF YOU WILL. ESPECIALLY. AND THEY ALL THEY ALL GET SQUEAMISH WHEN THEY HAVE TO GIVE BACK LAND BECAUSE THAT'S X NUMBER OF HOUSES OR WHATEVER THEY'RE BUILDING. IT'S LESS. SO WE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING ONE ACRE PER 30 UNITS FOR OUR PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES. RIGHT NOW. IF IT'S A IF IT'S A HOME, A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT, WE GET $1,500 PER HOME. IF IT'S AN APARTMENT MULTIFAMILY, WE GET 2000 PER WE ARE. WE'VE ASKED TO BUMP THAT TO 2250 PER HOME AND 3500 PER APARTMENT. THAT KIND OF ALIGNS WITH COUNCIL'S GOALS.
WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THIS AROUND OUR AREA ANYWAYS, SO WE WERE PROBABLY SITTING A LITTLE LOW WITH WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY, BUT I WILL OPEN THAT UP TO YOU ALL IF YOU EVERY ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS IS IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH LIKE THE SURROUNDING AREAS WHERE WHERE WE'RE KIND OF LOW ON THOSE FEET. DO YOU HAVE THAT SLIDE? LET'S SEE HERE.
YEAH THERE IT IS OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO PROSPER OKAY. THIS IS WHERE EVERYBODY CURRENTLY IS ANNA IS LET'S SEE. SO THEY JUST DO A FLAT INSTEAD OF ONE PER 35 ONE ACRE PER 35. THEY JUST TAKE $1,500 IN $2,000. SO I GUESS THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR LAND ON THAT. AND THEN THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY, SO THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. SO ANNA, IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH FOR ANNA TO BUILD A LOT OF PARKS. SELENA THEY TAKE ONE ACRE PER 50 UNITS. SO THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE TAKING RIGHT NOW. AND THEN THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO US ON THE PARK FEES AT 1515 HUNDRED.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A HOUSE OR AN APARTMENT. THEY'RE TAKING. SO ONE PER HUNDRED FOR EITHER ONE, WHICH IS LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING. FLOWER MOUND 3.36 PER HUNDRED. SO SO WHAT I WILL TELL YOU ON SOME OF THESE. SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE MAYBE A LITTLE CLOSER TO US DEVELOPMENT WISE. FLOWER MOUND THEY'RE FAIRLY BUILT OUT. KELLER I THINK IS PROBABLY A DECENT EXAMPLE OR WELL, FRISCO, IT'S NOT A BAD ONE TO COMPARE IT TO. SO THEY'RE NOT ON THE GRAPH, BUT SO THEY DO 8.5 ACRES PER THOUSAND PEOPLE. AND I MADE IT FOR YOU. I KNOW YOU GUYS MADE THE CALLS ON THESE. I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT ONE BECAUSE I
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WROTE THAT ORDINANCE. OKAY. SO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT ONE FOR US. SO A LOT OF IT IS THE PHILOSOPHY WE FOUND IN FRISCO THAT WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND DAN JUST TALKED ABOUT IT, THEY JUST WANTED TO PAY FEES BECAUSE IT WAS WAY CHEAPER BECAUSE OF LAND VALUE TO PAY THE FEE THAN TO GIVE US THE LAND FOR PARK LAND. BUT THEN WE NOT ONLY DIDN'T HAVE PARK, BUT WE ALSO COULDN'T PAY TO DEVELOP THE PARK BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS UPSIDE DOWN. BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT IMPACT FEES BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. CITIES AND TOWNS CAN BE SUED BY THE DEVELOPER IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S OUT OF LINE AND IT'S OUT OF REASON. AND SO A LOT OF WHAT WE DID IN FRISCO WAS DRIVE BACK TO THE PERSON PER HOUSEHOLD, WHICH WAS US CENSUS DATA, MAKING SURE AND REALLY TYING EVERYTHING BACK TO ACTUAL COST, BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE FINDING IS THAT IN FRISCO AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME IN PROSPER. IF THEY GO TRY TO BUY THE LAND, THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE FEES ARE NOT ALIGNED WITH THE LAND VALUE. AND THAT IS WHAT WE DID THERE. AND SO 8.5 ACRE MULTIPLIER PER WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY, CORRECT? YEAH. SO WE HAD A MULTIPLIER. THAT'S WHERE THE THE SINGLE FAMILY IS 3.11 PEOPLE PER UNIT, PER HOUSEHOLD FROM THE 2000. I FORGET WHICH IT WAS LIKE THE 2015 CENSUS DATA MAYBE THAT WE USED. AND THEN THE MULTIFAMILY IS WHERE THAT CAME FROM. 8.5 ACRES PER 1000 PEOPLE WAS OUR METRIC. OUT OF THE PARK OR OPEN PARK AND OPEN MASTER PLAN. SO OUR AVERAGE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK WAS NEEDED TO BE AT 8.5 ACRES, WHICH ALSO, BY PARK STANDARDS, IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT A SERVICE AREA. SO EVERYTHING WAS DEFENDABLE THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING NATIONAL STANDARDS AND ALSO LAND VALUE, AND USING THE CENSUS DATA TO CALCULATE THAT. THE GOAL WAS TO GET THE DEVELOPER TO THE TABLE AND NEGOTIATE SO THAT THEY JUST DIDN'T WALK IN AND SAY, WE WANT TO JUST PAY FEES. AND SO IT WAS OVERLY COMPLEX ON PURPOSE. AND SO THAT EVERY TIME THE CITY IT WAS MORE OF A WIN WIN AS OPPOSED TO WE KEPT LOSING. SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS VERY CONFUSING. YEAH. NO, BUT IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S UNIQUE BUT IT'S GOOD. IT'S IT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. WE ALSO HAVE THE OPTION IF FOR WHATEVER REASON BY TAKING LAND IT DOESN'T IT BUSTS THROUGH DEAL. WE WILL TAKE A CASH EQUIVALENT OF WHAT THAT LAND IS WORTH. SO YOU KNOW, SO IF THEY WANT TO THE NUMBERS SIX ACRES AND THEY'RE LIKE, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN GIVE YOU SIX ACRES, SMALL DEVELOPMENT, WHATEVER, THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND FIND OUT WHAT THAT LAND IS WORTH AND APPLY THAT NUMBER. SO IT JUST DEPENDS. AND IT GETS A PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY GOOD CHUNK OF CHANGE. SO. LET'S SEE. SO YOU KNOW OKAY. SO THE MCKINNEY WERE PRETTY CLOSE IN LINE WITH THE PARKLAND DEDICATION. AND THEN WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY EXCUSE ME PARK FEES. THEY'RE A LITTLE HIGHER ON SINGLE FAMILY A LITTLE LOWER ON THE MULTIFAMILY SOUTH LAKE PRETTY CLOSE ON PARKLAND. DEDICATION. SINGLE FAMILY. AND YOU SEE THEY KIND OF STICK IT TO THEM ON THE THE PARK FEE SIDE. SO WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM AND WE ACTUALLY SAT DOWN WITH. WELL MY BLANKING HIS NAME. WHO'S DAVID I THINK WE'RE THE SEVENTH OR EIGHTH MUNICIPALITY. DAVID'S WORK FOR DAVID HAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA WITH DEVELOPMENT. SO HE MADE A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS ON OUR SIDE TO IN SOME OF THIS TOO, IS WHAT WHAT IS THE COUNCIL LOOKING AT.SO YOU'LL SEE IN CERTAIN INSTANCES WHERE YOU KNOW A BIG NUMBER ON A MULTIFAMILY THAT MEANS THEY DON'T, RIGHT? IT'S IF YOU CAN YOU YOU CAN SAY YOU DON'T WANT MULTIFAMILY OR YOU CAN OR CAN'T SAY, BUT IF YOU REALLY PUT THE NUMBER TO IT AND WE'RE SEEING WHERE AND I'M SURE ALL YOU'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF AT OUR THEY CALL A SOFT CAP, BUT WE'RE KIND OF AT OUR CAP RIGHT NOW FOR MULTIFAMILY. SO IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO PROPOSE MULTIFAMILY, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO PAY FOR IT. SO IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE. SO THIS WOULD PUT US TOWARDS THE TOP BASED ON OUR COMPARISON CITIES. OUT OF CURIOSITY, DAN AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS LOTS OF MATH. WHAT I'M ABOUT TO ASK, BUT FOR CREEKSIDE PARK THAT WE APPROVED TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, THEORETICALLY WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WHAT WOULD THAT AFFECT THAT PARK AND YOUR ABILITY TO PUT IN A PLAYGROUND OR ADDITIONAL PARK FEATURES THIS? I MEAN, I KNOW OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD HELP, BUT IT WOULD GET US CLOSER TO THAT. OH, ABSOLUTELY. SO IN PART OF THE REASON WE'RE LOOKING AT BUMPING THESE FEES ON THIS, START LOOKING AT WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD A PARK. OKAY. WE'RE SITTING RIGHT AROUND 30 MILLION BUCKS FOR A COMMUNITY PARK.
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WE'VE HAD TO DO A LOT OF DIGGING TO GET THERE. YOU YOU KNOW THE IDEA, RIGHT? IS YOU COME IN AND YOU DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE THAT NEED RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS OUR FEES ARE NOW, AND I'LL TELL YOU, EVEN ON THE CHANGE FEES, WE'LL GET A LITTLE CLOSER. BUT WE'RE STILL WE'RE STILL NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A PARK FOR THE MOST PART. WITH MOST OF THESE, THE THE BROOK HOLLOW ONE IS NICE. THAT ONE KIND OF WORKED OUT BASED ON HOW MUCH LAND THEY NEEDED TO DEDICATE AND WHAT THEIR FEES WERE, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD THE PARK, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LINEAR. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF TRAIL, A LOT OF GREEN SPACE WITH SOME LITTLE NODES WITH. WHAT'S THAT? SOME OF ITS LAND. THEY CANNOT BUILD ON IT. TRUE, TRUE. SO THAT THAT HELPS TOO. IF YOU'RE IN THE DEVELOPER SIDE, WHERE THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH THAT LAND. SO BUT THAT'S PRETTY RARE MOST OF THE TIME. MOST OF THE TIME THE TOWN'S COMING TO BACK TO THE DEVELOPER WITH ADDITIONAL CASH AFTER THEIR FEES TO GO AHEAD AND GET SOMETHING DONE. MOST OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN WINDSONG RANCH THAT'S BEEN BUILT REALLY, REALLY NICE PARKS, BUT WE'VE PROBABLY COME BACK WITH ANOTHER 500,000 $700,000 TO GET THEM WHERE THEY'RE AT AFTER ALL THEIR FEES. SO THE IDEA IS TO RIGHT NOW THERE'S A GAP AND WE'RE TRYING TO INCREMENTALLY SHRINK THAT GAP IS IS THAT GAP.AND THIS IS ONE THING WE DID IN FRISCO. AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE HAD TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PUT 100% OF THE BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER AND THEY WILL SUE YOU. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT OFF THE FOR B AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AS WELL AS BOND FUNDS. BUT HERE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, OUR BOND, OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL BE YOUR SOLE MECHANISM FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO DEVELOP PARKS. IS THAT CORRECT? MOST LIKELY YEAH. AS THE TOWN ATTORNEY REVIEWED THESE THE PROPOSED FEES AND FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. YES. ARE YOU PROPOSING? WELL, YES. WHAT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN OUT THERE? YES. RIGHT. I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE WITH THEY'RE IN LINE. AND I MEAN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS KIND OF BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. HE'S GOING TO PASS THEM THIS YEAR AND THEN INFLATION WILL HAPPEN. AND NEXT YEAR YOU KNOW IT JUST CONTINUES TO INCREASE. SO EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS YOU'VE GOT TO DO THIS. AND YES SO YOU WILL KIND OF GO FROM THE TOP. AND THEN YOU'LL THROUGH THE YEARS YOU COME DOWN, YOU'LL GO BACK TO THE TOP. AND THEN WITH A FIXED RATE LIKE THIS. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S GOING TO BE A MOVING TARGET JUST OVER THE COURSE OF, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S LIFE CYCLE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO. OKAY.
YEAH. ESPECIALLY I THINK IT REALLY HELPS THAT YOU HAD INPUT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
SO WITH THAT I DEFINITELY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. YEAH I JUST SAID THAT ON THE FRONT END, DAVID HOOVER BECAUSE HE EVEN BUMPED I GAVE HIM MY NUMBERS AND HE BUMPED THEM TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ARE NOW MY NUMBERS PROPOSED. SO HE GOES, YEAH, YOU CAN GO A LITTLE MORE ON THAT. SO OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THAT WAS I MEAN THAT'S MY QUESTION IS YOU DON'T WANT TO STIFLE DEVELOPMENT. SO. RIGHT. HOW DO YOU WHAT'S THAT BALANCE THERE. AND HE'S GOT A REALLY GOOD FEEL. IT SHOULD STING A LITTLE BIT. BUT LET'S BE HONEST THEY JUST PASS IT ALONG TO THE BUILDER. SO. IT'S THE WAY IT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. YEAH I MEAN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EAT IT. THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW IT'S EVENTUALLY GOING TO LAND ON THE HOMEOWNER. YEAH. OH NO WE'RE PAYING FOR IT. YEAH. THE NEW RESIDENTS WILL PAY FOR WHATEVER THE INCREASE IS. BUT AND WE JUST WE JUST SAW LOOKS LIKE HOUSE HOUSING PRICES HAVE JUST WE JUST HAD A DECREASE ABOUT 4% A LITTLE OVER FOUR. SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A LITTLE LEVEL OFF RIGHT NOW. I DON'T YEAH. ALL IN FAVOR OF WHAT YOU HAVE. SO WE'LL STICK WITH THAT OKAY. THEN WE'RE GOING TO FILL IN THE BLANKS AND WE'LL BRING THAT TO COUNCIL ON THE 27TH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I KNOW I'M SORRY THIS WASN'T VERY LONG. I TALKED ABOUT THAT OKAY. WHAT'S UPDATES WITH TREVOR TO MAKE YOUR MOTION. OH. OH THANK YOU. SO MOTION TO. OKAY. HANG ON I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO INTERVENE HERE REAL QUICK SO WE CAN. SO DAN I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU. DID YOU TAKE NOTES ON WHICH ONES WERE CHANGED OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO READ OFF WHAT WAS CHANGED. THEN WE CAN YES DO THE MOTION THAT WAY AS OKAY. SO I THE CHANGES THAT I HAVE ARE YOUR CHANGING THE PAVILION RENTAL FOR 100 TO 200 PEOPLE TO $125, AND THE REST ARE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN THE SYNTHETIC TURF FIELD IS BEING CHANGED FROM THE RECOMMENDED 70 TO 75. CORRECT. AND THEN PARKS
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BOARD RECOMMENDED TO CHANGE THE NONRESIDENT FEE TO $200 PER HOUR, AND THEN THE RESIDENT FEE FOR GRASS FIELDS WAS RECOMMENDED TO CHANGE TO $40, AND THEN THE NONRESIDENT FEE WAS CHANGED TO 150. CORRECT TOURNAMENTS IS RECOMMENDED 7575 TEAM UP TO TWO DAYS, AND THEN 60 PER TEAM FOR EACH ADDED DAY. 200 DEPOSIT PER FIELD $1,500 MINIMUM FEE. SO THIS IS WHERE I WAS GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION ARE YOU ARE WE DOING A NO GATE FEE? NO GATE? THOSE NUMBERS WERE ON ACCOUNT OF NOT DOING A GATE FEE. OKAY, SO YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS TO COUNCIL. WE'RE NOT TABLING THIS ONE. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE RECOMMENDATION OF. NO GATE BE ELIMINATED. AND THEN STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AND PARK IMPROVEMENT.CORRECT. OKAY. ALL THAT MOTION AS TALIA READ. YEAH. SO MOTION AS DISCUSSED. YEAH. CAN I GET A MOTION AS TALIA RECOMMENDED I HEAR SEE ONE FROM KERRY, SECOND FROM KYLE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH THE VISUAL AND I, I OKAY, SIX ZERO. THAT PASSES. NO NAYS. OKAY. WE'LL DO WE'RE GOING TO
[9. Receive staff updates: Recreation, Park Development, Park Operations, and Director.]
DO STAFF UPDATES. WE'RE GOING TO GO FAST OKAY. ALL RIGHT A LOT OF STUFF. BUT NO TAKE YOUR TIME. TAKE YOUR TIME. YEAH WE'RE GOOD. PROGRESS HAS BEEN GREAT LATELY. THE RESTROOM CONCESSION BUILDING IS ABOUT 95%. THEY'RE JUST PUTTING FIXTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE FINISHED. YOU CAN SEE THEM THERE. WE DO. WE ARE DOING A SOFT OPENING OF THOSE. THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. PEOPLE STARTED GOING OUT THERE YESTERDAY. I THINK WE JUST KIND OF HAVE ONE PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO THEM OPEN. SO, SO FAR, SO GOOD PLAYGROUNDS, 90%. THEY STILL HAVE TO DO THE SURFACING. THE VERY LAST CONCRETE POUR HAPPENED LAST WEDNESDAY ON THE 31ST. THAT WAS PRETTY EXCITING. HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS 100% OVERALL. WE'RE GETTING I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT MID-FEBRUARY AND WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT A RIBBON CUTTING. SO WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THAT FAIRLY SOON.
AND I JUST REALLY QUICKLY, THE LAST TIME I PRESENTED WE WEREN'T QUITE FINISHED WITH THIS. WE ARE NOW. WE'VE GOT THE LIGHTS UP AND THE CHAIRS AND PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING IT AND IT'S BEEN REAL SUCCESSFUL. ANY QUESTIONS OKAY. DID YOU COVER THAT THE COURTS WERE OPEN. DID YOU. OH I'M SORRY, I WAS MAKING MY NOTES. YEAH, HE BLASTED THROUGH IT. THE COURTS ARE OPEN.
YEAH. AND I DROVE BY THAT RAYMOND PARK THIS EVENING. COMING HERE. BEAUTIFUL. YEAH, IT'S REALLY NICE. DEB HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU. I'M JUST WONDERING, SINCE THIS PROJECT WAS LATE AND I KNOW I'VE COME IN TO THIS AT THE LATTER END OF THIS, BUT WAS THERE ANY LIQUIDATED DAMAGES SET UP WITH, YOU KNOW, THEM BEING LATE? OH NO, NOT WELL, NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REALLY LATE. YOU SEE THE THING ACTUALLY, AND CONTRARY TO THAT, WE HAVE WE'VE MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS WE DIDN'T HAVE NEAR ENOUGH FUNDING. AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS IS COUNCIL HAS COME BACK AND SAID, WELL, WE REALLY WANT THAT. LIKE THE LIGHTS ON THE MULTI-PURPOSE FIELDS. THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. AND SO WE HAVE WE HAVE ADDED TO THEIR SCOPE OVER AND OVER AND OVER, AND SEVERAL TIMES THEY DIDN'T EVEN ASK FOR MORE TIME. THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR MORE TIME TO DO THAT. AND THEY NEVER DID. NOW THEY'RE KIND OF SAYING, HEY, WE NEED A LITTLE EXTRA TIME. SO THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES IS NOT SOMETHING WE'LL BE DEALING WITH BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY BRINGING IT IN. CONSIDERING ALL THE SCOPE CHANGES THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THEM, THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH IT. THE THE APPEARANCE OF IT IS THAT IT'S THE PROJECT IS RUNNING LATE. THE THE TALK IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THE PROJECT'S RUNNING LATE. WE'RE JUST SMILING AND NODDING BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD TO THIS PARK AS WE'VE GONE ALONG. YOU HAD PASO CAME THROUGH WITH A $950,000 DONATION TO PUT IN LIGHTS. THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE PLAN FOR THE PROBLEM. WE GOT GOING AND THEY SAID, WE NEED THOSE FIELDS, WE NEED LIGHTS, SO WE'LL WRITE YOU A CHECK IF YOU GUYS CAN FUND THE REST OF IT. SO OKAY, GREAT. BUT THEN THAT MEANS IT'S A MORE ELECTRIC, MORE ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS NEED TO COME IN. THAT'S A SIX MONTH LEAD TIME ON POLES. SO IT PROBABLY THIS PROJECT CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY IF WE HAD A BIG CHUNK OF CASH. AND WE DID, BUT NOT BIG ENOUGH UNFORTUNATELY.
SO WE'VE HAD SAVINGS IN OTHER PROJECTS, WE'VE HAD SAVINGS WITHIN THE PROJECT. SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TURN THINGS ON AS WE'VE GONE. SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S EXTENDED IT. WE'RE IN A WORLD RIGHT NOW WITH TARIFFS AND SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN IN FOR YEARS NOW.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YEAH, THERE'S BEEN THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS WE'VE JUST SITTING AROUND WAITING FOR THESE DARN BIG SWITCHGEAR WHICH WE COULDN'T YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING
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UNTIL WE CAN GET THE POWER FROM THE GROUND TO THE BUILDINGS AND THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. SO THERE'S JUST BEEN THESE COMPONENTS THAT HAVE JUST WE WE HAD AN IRRIGATION COMPONENT THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS COMPANY'S BEEN AROUND FOR A MILLION YEARS BUILDING THIS ITEM. ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY DECIDED WE'RE NOT MAKING IT ANYMORE. SO NOW WE GOT TO FIND SOMEONE WHO MAKES IT. IT'S BACKFLOW DEVICES. SO IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONTRACTOR REALLY GETS GETS HIS DUE OR THEIR DUE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN FANTASTIC. THEY'VE GOT A GREAT REPUTATION. THEY'VE BEEN IT'S BEEN A DIFFICULT PROJECT CURVE. SOME PHENOMENAL MATH, SOME PHENOMENAL. EVERYBODY INVOLVED HAS DONE WHAT THEY CAN, BUT IT DOESN'T. I KNOW THE APPEARANCE OF THE COMMUNITY PROBABLY ISN'T THAT.IT LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S TAKEN FOREVER. WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING TO PUT ANYBODY IN A BAD SPOT. SO THAT'S FINE. I DON'T MIND TAKING THE BULLETS. I'M USED TO IT. IT'S HAVING MY WHOLE CAREER. IT'S GOOD. SO IT'S DONE A GREAT JOB. SO I'M HAPPY YOU'RE ALL HAPPY. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING SUCH AN INCREDIBLE JOB. YOU JUST REALLY SHINE IN. THE CONTRACTOR HAS DONE A GREAT. THEY REALLY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB. WHEN YOU SAY THE FIELDS ARE OPEN, WHEN THE COURTS ARE OPEN WHAT DOES THAT.
SO JUST DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS SO PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND WE HAVE ONE OPENING. IT'S ON. IT'S THERE. IT'S THE WEST SIDE OPENING ALONG FIRST STREET. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL ASKED US TO DO OKAY. IT WASN'T WE ANYWAY. SO WE'VE WE'VE MADE THIS HAPPEN. AND IT'S KIND OF PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT'S STILL A CONSTRUCTION SITE AND THERE'S PEOPLE WORKING LIKE CRAZY OUT THERE. IT'S A BEEHIVE OF ACTIVITY. BUT WE'VE WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CAN TO MOVE THE FENCES AROUND TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEOPLE. SO PEOPLE CAN GO IN AND THEY CAN USE THE COURTS DURING THE DAYLIGHT HOURS. WHEN DID THOSE OPEN? OFFICIAL? TWO DAYS AGO THIS TUESDAY. OKAY. TUESDAY THIS WEEK. SO AND MY LAST QUESTION IS HOW ARE WE COMING WITH THE. WELL SO WE WE OPEN BIDS ON THE WELL DRILLING THIS NEXT MONDAY. WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES. SO WE'RE OPENING TO WHOEVER WANTS TO BID IT. IS THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. WE'VE BEEN WE SET THE BID OUT. WE DID IT FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE TALKED ABOUT IT THE LAST MEETING. WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD THE INFORMATION. SO WE WENT BACK FOR THE LICENSE THAT I ALREADY TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THIS. OKAY. AND WE JUST WE DIDN'T GET WE DIDN'T GET THE FULL AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR. WE'RE MOST LIKELY GO BACK AND APPEAL THAT AT SOME POINT, BUT IT'S ENOUGH TO GET US TO BE ABLE TO BID IT OUT, GET IT BUILT. WE'VE BEEN USING IT.
WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A PERMIT TO USE 9 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR. WE WE'RE HOPING FOR 28 MILLION.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED NOW. AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL GO BACK AND ASK FOR MORE WATER LATER. THAT'S THE PLAN OKAY. BUT THE THE MAIN PART OF THE WELL IS GOING TO BE THE SAME EIGHT INCH AND ALL THOSE SPECS ARE THE SAME. YEAH. THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES LATER IS THAT WE JUST PUMP MORE WATER. YEAH OKAY. IT'S EITHER IT'S METERED AND SO THE STATE, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN PUMP AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. IT IS METERED AND THE STATE CONTROLS IT AND YOU CAN GET FINED. YOU CAN EVEN LOSE YOUR LICENSE IF YOU IF YOU AREN'T IF YOU DON'T PLAY FAIR.
SO OKAY I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. NEXT UP IS TREVOR WITH RECREATION.
DIDN'T LOOK I WANTED TO. SO WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR WINTER PROGRAMING SEASON. WE OFFICIALLY ARE STARTING UP ON NEXT WEEK, THE WEEK OF THE 12TH. WE WITH WINTER GOING ON, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF GRASS FIELDS TO WORK WITH. IT'S A WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF PROGRAMS THAT WE DO OFFER. WE STICK WITH OUR OUR SOCCER GROUP. WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT TYPICALLY WOULD RUN OUTSIDE. WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE A 407 REC CENTER. RIGHT NOW, THE WINTER PROGRAMING IS JUST ENOUGH TO HOLD OVER PEOPLE WHO STILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME THINGS DURING THIS KIND OF TIME, AND WE WILL OFFICIALLY, WE'VE OPENED UP SOME SPRING PROGRAMING. WE'RE WAITING ON TWO GROUPS AND IT'S JUST PAPERWORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR TWO INSTRUCTORS, ONE FOR SPRING BREAK CAMP, ANOTHER FOR AN AFTER SCHOOL STEM PROGRAM BE STARTING UP AT THE END OF MARCH. SO ONCE WE GET THE FINALIZATION ON THOSE, WE'LL HAVE THEM OPEN AND ACTIVE ON OUR REGISTRATION SITE. AND WE LIKE I MENTIONED IN OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, WE DO HAVE A NEW STAFF MEMBER, A NEW RECREATION COORDINATOR, AND I'M CURRENTLY TRAINING AND WORKING WITH HIM TO GO AHEAD AND SUMMER PROGRAMING IS UNDERWAY AS FAR AS PLANNING GOES. AND REALLY THAT'S JUST LOOKING AT WHO WE HAD LAST YEAR. GIVE THEM A FIRST RIGHT TO REFUSAL, TAKING ON ANY NEW INSTRUCTORS, WORKING WITH FACILITIES OUTSIDE OF TOWN OWNED FACILITIES FOR ADDITIONAL
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PROGRAMING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS JUST GETTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER, PUTTING THE PUZZLE TOGETHER. AND TYPICALLY WE WILL OPEN UP REGISTRATION FOR SUMMER IN EARLY APRIL. SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO REPORT TO REPORT RIGHT NOW. BESIDES WINTER'S GOING ON. SPRING WILL GET GOING STARTING UP IN FEBRUARY, MARCH. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID OFFICIALLY, SUMMER WILL BEGIN THE FIRST MONDAY OF JUNE. AND THEN. AND WHEN I SAY SUMMER CAMPS FOR FOR DEB AND VALERIE, SO NOT TRADITIONAL CAMP WHERE IT'S 6 TO 8 WEEKS STRAIGHT, WE DO WEEK LONG CAMPS. SO WHEN I MENTIONED YOU'LL HEAR ME THROW SUMMER CAMPS AROUND A LOT, IT'S USUALLY EITHER A MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY OR A MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. MAJORITY 90% OF THOSE ARE RAN AT TOWN OWNED FACILITIES. AND THEN WE WORK WITH A COUPLE OF GROUPS IN THE TOWN AND RIGHT OUTSIDE THE TOWN FOR ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL FACILITY SPACE, OR WE TRY AND FILL IT UP AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AND THEN WHEN WE STILL DON'T HAVE SPACE, WE'LL FIND MORE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW. AND QUICK MENTION ON TUESDAY. SO WE WRAPPED UP THE MAYOR'S FITNESS CHALLENGE ON TUESDAY. WE WILL BE DOING A PRESENT. I'LL BE DOING A PRESENTATION AT TOWN COUNCIL WILL BE RECOGNIZING A GRAND PRIZE WINNER THAT COMPETED IN ALL THREE SESSIONS OF THE MAYOR'S FITNESS CHALLENGE. SO WE WILL BE RECOGNIZING THAT INDIVIDUAL THEY GET A MAYOR'S CHALLENGE COIN. IT'S PART OF SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED DOING ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THE 2026 CAMPAIGN. THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT AND MAYBE SOME POSSIBLE ADDITIONS TO IT THAT TYPICALLY WILL START UP IN MARCH, SO YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING COMING FROM THE LANDSCAPE MENTIONING THE 2026 MAYOR'S FITNESS CHALLENGE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TREVOR. NEXT UP IS PARK OPERATIONS WITH MATT FUHRER. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AT RAYMOND, TRYING TO GET KURT. THIS IS THE DAM ON THE NORTH SIDE. WE HAD TO RENT SOME EQUIPMENT, START TAKING ALL THE TREES, CLEAR THE DOWN. HE'S GOING TO COME IN. CONTRACTOR, REALLY? REMOVE ALL THE TREE ROOTS, ALL THE TREES, REBUILD IT, STABILIZE IT, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR. THIS IS THE SECOND WINTER WE DID IT WHEN WE COULD IN-HOUSE. JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING GOOD AND READY FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO ALL THE STUFF THAT LITTLE SQUARES I HAD TO WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT THE EQUIPMENT, WE'VE GOT THE PEOPLE. THEY WERE COMING OUT HELPING US CLEAN UP ALL WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE RIGHT THERE. WE HAD ALL KINDS OF TREES LAYING DOWN, SO WE ADDED TO IT FROM SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION. WE CHIPPED SOME OF IT. ALL KINDS OF STUFF HAPPENS. SO. WE JUST REALLY WORKED TOGETHER. GOOD ON TRYING TO GET ALL THAT CLEANED UP. I GUESS THAT WAS ALL. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE MULCH WHEN YOU SHIP IT? SO REPUBLIC IS OUR NEW TRASH AND RECYCLER. SO THEY CAME OUT, THEY BROUGHT US, I THINK, FIVE DIFFERENT ROLL OFF JUST FOR THE MULCH. WE HAD TWO HUGE MOUNDS OF MULCH. I THINK THE TREES ITSELF TOOK US FOUR, SO WE HAD QUITE A BIT TO GET RID OF. AND THAT WAS RIGHT THERE WHEN THEY HAD TO TAKE OR INSTALL THE BRIDGE. ALL THOSE CEDAR TREES WE HAD TO ADD TO THE PILE. SO THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON. IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE, ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL SAW OR WHERE Y'ALL PARKED, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT I'M WORKING WITH PROJECT WITH FACILITY MANAGER. ALL THE WATER THAT DRAINS WERE CUTTING UP, IT'S A MESS. SO WE'RE ADDING DRAINS TO REALLY COLLECT THE WATER ON TOP OF ALL THE SURFACE OF THE CONCRETE. GET IT OUT OF HERE BECAUSE THE CONCRETE GETS SO SLICK WHEN IT STARTS RAINING AND STUFF. SO WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN OUT THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE NORTHEAST, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A QUADRANT OF THE PARKING LOT, THE NORTHEAST CORNER RIGHT NOW. AND I BELIEVE THEY'LL COME UP TO THE SOUTHEAST, AND THEN THEY'LL JUST KIND OF WORK AROUND THAT WAY. THAT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST THREE WEEKS OF INC. WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT DONE IN TWO, BUT THE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE MESS. WE'RE MULCHING ALL OVER TOWN TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING READY FOR SPRING. SPRING IS JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. WE HAVEN'T HAD REALLY A GOOD WINTER. IF YOU'VE EVER LOOKED AT OUR RYEGRASS FIELDS THIS YEAR, I THINK IT'S THE BEST THEY'VE EVER LOOKED. BUT IT'S ALSO BEEN THE WARMEST TOO, SO EVERYTHING HAS JUST LITERALLY BEEN GROWING[02:10:04]
OVERNIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OUR PROBLEMS AS ALWAYS. RODENTS HAVE BEEN BAD THIS YEAR, SO THEY'VE BEEN EATING OUR ROBOT MOWERS, OUR CHARGERS, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T EVEN EXPECT. IT'S HAPPENED THIS YEAR. SO BUT ALL IN ALL I THINK EVERYTHING'S LOOKING GOOD.STILL REPLACING PLANTS. WE GOT TREES DONE STILL FROM THE 2020 STORM. WINTER STORM. WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO SEE A DECLINE IN THOSE TREES THAT GOT HIT. SO BUT TILL THAT TIME WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REPLACE AS THEY REALLY DIE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT STILL OUT THERE. SO LOTS HAPPENING. SEASONS ARE GOING TO START OFF AND PROBABLY A COUPLE WEEKS MID JANUARY. GOOD PRACTICES REALLY KICK OFF FEBRUARY. SO WELL THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO MATT. AND YEAH THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. WE LOVE IT. IF WHITLEY PLACE IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR BRIDGE THE NEW BRIDGE ON JUST WEST EAST OF GLACIER. YEAH I'M IN THE PROCESS. I'M GETTING CONTRACTORS. APPARENTLY JUST WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, WE'VE DROPPED ABOUT FOUR INCHES THE ALL THE CONCRETE AND EVERYTHING. SO I'VE MET WITH ONE CONTRACTOR. WE'RE GOING TO START ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE OPPOSITE SIDE FOAM FILL THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A HUGE VOID THERE AS THE WATER COMES DOWN. SO THAT'S A IT HAS NOT SUNK YET. SO I'M GOING TO STAY AHEAD OF THAT PROBLEM. HOPEFULLY I'VE GOT A GOOD PLAN FOR THAT. BUT THE BACKSIDE OR THE SIDE CLOSEST TO THE POND WE HAVE TO FIX IMMEDIATELY. YOU CONTRACT THAT FOAM FILL OUT OR. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WELL YOU'RE OUT PLAYING AROUND. YOU MADE THE BRIDGE THAT CROSSES WILSON CREEK, BUT WE HAVE TO PUT IT. WE HAVE TO CROSS. OKAY. SO THE WALKING BRIDGE THAT CROSSES WILSON CREEK COMING OUT OF THE WOODS, POPPING OUT AT CUSTER SOUTHSIDE. OKAY. YEAH. THAT ONE.
AND I ENGINEER, MAN, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. SAME WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT HAPPENED WITH THE FLOOD BACK IN THE SPRING. WE LOST TWO TREES ON THAT. WE HAD TO CUT DOWN, REMOVE HIGHER CONTRACTOR. IT WAS VERY DANGEROUS SKETCHY. SO WE'VE GOT KURT'S WORKED WITH OUR WITH THE ENGINEER FIRM. IT'S GOING TO COST A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT DAN'S GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY TALK TO HIGHER UPS LATER ON THIS SUMMER. WE KNOW IT'S A PROBLEM. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM YET. HOPEFULLY WE WON'T GET A MAJOR FLOOD LIKE WE JUST DID, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OUR EYES ON IT FOR SURE. IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR FIX. SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN FUND THAT RIGHT NOW. THE BRIDGE INTEGRITY IS FINE. SO IF IT DOESN'T YOU KNOW IT LOOKS A LITTLE WONKY, BUT IT'S NOT DANGEROUS. BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WATCHING IT. SO IF SOMETHING CHANGES, JUST DON'T LOOK DOWN. DON'T LOOK DOWN, RUN ACROSS. YOU'RE GOOD AND RUN, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MATT. NEXT UP, DAN BAKER WITH DIRECTORS MOMENTS. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GET YOU GUYS OUT OF HERE IN A SECOND. SO COUPLE CALENDAR ITEMS. SO THESE ARE ALL FAIRLY IMPORTANT JANUARY 27TH THIS IS THE TOWN COUNCIL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WORKSHOP. SO THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN KIND OF TALK. THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED A WHILE ABOUT A WHILE BACK ABOUT SITTING DOWN WITH COUNCIL, JUST THE PARKS BOARD THAT I'M ANTICIPATING HAPPENING PROBABLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AS WELL. AND WE'LL PROBABLY DO IT ON THE FRONT END OF THIS MEETING. I'M GOING TO TRY AND DO THAT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME OUT TWICE. BUT IF YOU CAN POSSIBLY BE AT THE JANUARY 27TH MEETING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
IT'LL BE ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN ATTENDANCE AND COUNCILS. THEY'VE GOT A SET TIME BECAUSE IT'S 615. THEY'RE COUNCIL MEETING STARTS. SO IT WILL I PROMISE IT WILL NOT GO PAST 615. WE'VE GOT YOUR NEXT UPCOMING PARKS AND REC BOARD MEETING ON FEBRUARY 12TH. SAME PLACE, SAME TIME. AND THEN EVEN THOUGH IT'S REALLY NOT UNDER PARKS AND REC ANYMORE, I STILL WANT TO PROMOTE OUR EVENTS. THE TOWN EVENTS. PROSPER FISHING DERBY FEBRUARY 21ST, 9 TO 11 AT THE FRONTIER PARK POND. SO IF YOU CAN COME OUT. AND SO THAT IS A LOT OF FUN. IT'S IT'S A GOOD EVENT. SO THOSE LITTLE KIDS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOOKS PARENTS GET IN THEIR HANDS. AND BECAUSE IT'S JUST THEY'RE JUST SLINGING THEM. BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S A LOT OF FUN TO WATCH. AND THERE'S A LITTLE GIRL THAT GOES OUT THERE EVERY YEAR AND SHE CATCHES ABOUT 30.
SHE'S SHE'S AMAZING. SO WE'LL PUT MY MONEY ON HER TO WIN AGAIN. BUT ANYHOW, THAT'S REALLY IT FROM OUR END. ANY QUESTIONS. SO DAN ON THE TOWN COUNCIL AND BOARDS WORKSHOP
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THAT'LL BE OVER IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM. YES. I'M SORRY. JUST ACROSS THE LOBBY. YEAH.AND THEN COME BACK HERE FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING. FOR YOUR PRESENTATION? YES, SIR. GOT IT.
YES, SIR. IF YOU CAN. NO, YOU'RE NOT NOT REQUIRED TO STAY FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING. IF YOU GOT TIME, YOU WANT TO STICK AROUND? THAT'D BE GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.
REQUEST FOR ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED FOR THE ELECTION OF THE BOARD OFFICERS. I DON'T THINK WE MADE MOTIONS OR SECOND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED THAT. OH, OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YEAH. IF NOT, WE'LL COME BACK AND REDO. FAIR ENOUGH. BUT YOU CAN'T STEP AWAY. YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN'T GIVE UP YOUR POSITION.
YOU'RE NOT OUT. THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. OKAY. CARRY MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL GET A SECOND FROM BOB. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? VISUAL AND AN EYE. ALL RIGHT. SIX ZERO.
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