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EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 16TH, 2025. PROSPER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND REGULAR PLANNING. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. REGULAR MEETING. MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER AT 653. PLEASE NOTE, COMMISSIONER OR CHAIR JACKSON IS NOT AVAILABLE, AND ALL THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS PRESENT AND YOU LET US KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE GONE FOR A FAMILY EMERGENCY. ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION, CITIZENS AND OTHER VISITORS ATTENDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING SHALL OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETARY DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. ANY PERSON MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE AND SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION OR WHILE ATTENDING THE MEETING, SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM, IF SO DIRECTED BY THE COMMISSION OR THE PRESIDING OFFICER, AND THE PERSON SHALL BE BARRED FROM FURTHER ATTENDANCE BEFORE THE COMMISSION. DURING THAT SESSION OF THE MEETING. DISRUPTION OF A PUBLIC MEETING COULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTION 42.05 OF THE TEXAS PENAL CODE. NEXT IS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE CONSENT AGENDA.[CONSENT AGENDA]
ITEMS PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE IN NATURE AND ARE CONSIDERED NON-CONTROVERSIAL. THE CONSENT AGENDA CAN BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA BY REQUEST OF A COMMISSION MEMBER OR STAFF. ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE ITEMS THREE A THROUGH THREE G. ONLY CLARIFICATION NOTE IS ON THREE G. IT IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF PRESTON ROAD, NOT THE EAST SIDE, BUT THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE SPECIFICALLY PULLING IT. JUST FOR THAT NOTE, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING? MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO PULL CONSENT AGENDA ITEM THREE A SINCE I WASN'T HERE, I'D LIKE TO ABSTAIN FROM THAT VOTE. OKAY, COMMISSIONER PULLS ITEM THREE A ANY OTHER ITEMS? AND THREE B AS WELL. ANY OTHER. OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH WILL BE THREE C THROUGH THREE G. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THREE C THROUGH THREE G, NOTING THAT ON THREE G THAT THE LOCATION IS WEST SIDE OF PRESTON ROAD. DO WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND, SECOND? ALL THOSE COMMISSIONERS IN FAVOR OF APPROVING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THREE THROUGH THREE G. AS NOTED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND PASSES 6 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO BACK TO ITEM THREE A. ANY[3a. Consider and act upon the minutes from the December 2, 2025, Planning and Zoning Commission regular meeting. ]
DISCUSSION OR SIMPLY A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM 33A DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ITEM THREE A PLEASE REGIME. OKAY.PASSES FIVE. OH YEAH. ANY SO THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 WITH COMMISSIONER FURY ABSTAINING
[3b. Consider and act upon a request for a Preliminary Site Plan for Restaurant and Retail Buildings on Frontier Gateway, Block A, Lots 1-11, on 34.6± acres, located on the southwest corner of Dallas Parkway and Frontier Parkway. (DEVAPP-24-0110) ]
OKAY. AND THEN ITEM THREE B. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. ITEM THREE B IS A CONSIDERING ACT UPON REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR RESTAURANT AND RETAIL BUILDINGS ON FRONTIER GATEWAY BLOCK A LOTS ONE THROUGH 11 ON 34.6 ACRES, LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DALLAS PARKWAY AND FRONTIER PARKWAY, THIS IS DEV APP 24 0110. BEFORE YOU IS THE THE LAYOUT FOR THE LOCATION. AND THE PURPOSE IS CONSTRUCT THREE RESTAURANT RETAIL BUILDINGS, TWO RESTAURANTS, SIX RETAIL BUILDINGS WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING AND REQUIRED OPEN SPACE. THIS IS THE THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. SAME SITE PLAN IS JUST ZOOMED IN A LITTLE[00:05:17]
BIT MORE. THIS IS THE OPEN THE OPEN SPACE PLAN. THE THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE IS 95,834FT.THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING EIGHT 184,227FT■!S, WHICH IS ALMOST DOUBLE OF WHAT THE TOWN REQUIRES. BUT MORE DETAILED OPEN SPACE PLAN. AND THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN THE FRONTAGE PARKWAY GATEWAY DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO SEVEN. Y'ALL, I CAN READ ALL THIS IF Y'ALL LIKE OR GOT SOME. HEAR MY VOICE. YEAH. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I BELIEVE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER AS THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT. DO YOU WANT TO LEAD US OFF WITH ANY QUESTIONS? YES. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OH, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE APPLICANT. CAN THE APPLICANT COME FOR QUESTIONS. CAN WE DO. YES.
THANK YOU. CAN YOU DO THAT. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T GET OUR SLIDES. JUST GO TO THIS. OKAY? THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. DELANEY POWELL, SPIRES ENGINEERING 501 WEST PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH HIGHWAY, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. NO PROBLEM. LEAD US OFF. OKAY.
SURE. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE I THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF LAND TO THE TOWN OF PROSPER. SINCE IT'S RIGHT AT OUR ENTRY WAY THERE. AND THAT CORNER. SO WHILE I APPRECIATE A LOT OF THE FEATURES THAT ARE IN HERE, THE WATER FEATURE, THERE'S THE WALKING AREA THAT'S THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE ENVISIONED IN THIS CORNER IS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED IN THE PLACEMAKING KIND OF THING, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A A SQUARE OF BOXES, BOX LOTS IN A PARKING LOT IN THE MIDDLE. IT IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THAT SORT OF THAT PLACE MAKING DRAW THAT YOU WOULD HOPE TO HAVE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE CITY AT ONE OF ITS CORNERS AND EVERYTHING. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD AT THIS TIME, JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT HOW YOU COME TO THIS PARTICULAR SOLUTION FOR THIS CORNER AND HELP ME MAYBE GET COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WHAT I'M SEEING HERE AS AN ENTRYWAY INTO OUR TOWN. YES. AND OUR ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL HAPPENED LAST JULY. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF ON HOW TO BEST LAY OUT THIS SITE TO MAKE IT WELCOMING, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND FROM THEM THAT THEY ALSO WANTED THIS TO BE KIND OF A STATEMENT, AS IT IS THE ENTRYWAY INTO THE TOWN. AND SO THROUGH MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THEM IN OUR OWNERS, WE CAME UP WITH OUR CURRENT LAYOUT BECAUSE IT REALLY ENHANCED THE OPEN SPACE THAT WE WERE PROPOSING. IF YOU CAN GO TO OUR ONE MORE, SO WE ACTUALLY PROVIDED A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SHOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE ENHANCING THE SITE, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST SEE BOXES ON A PIECE OF LAND. AND SO THIS WAS OUR WAY OF SHOWING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE, WALKABLE PEOPLE CAN COME TO A RESTAURANT AND TAKE THEIR FOOD AND MAYBE GO SIT ON A PARK BENCH IN OUR OPEN SPACE OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST COULD WALK OVER AND USE THE PATHS AS A WALKING TRAIL, BECAUSE THERE WILL ALSO BE THE WALKING TRAIL RUNNING ALONG THE WEST SIDE. SO JUST CONNECTING ALL OF THAT. BUT YES, SO AND, AND I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WALKING TRAIL AND EVERYTHING, I THINK I, THAT PORTION OF THIS IS WALKABLE I SUPPOSE. I'M NOT SURE THAT THE HOW WALKABLE THE REST OF IT LOOKS LIKE JUST A REGULAR SHOPPING CENTER THAT YOU'D SEE IN ANY CORNER IN THE
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DALLAS AREA. BIG BOX. I GUESS THIS IS A BIG BOX. NO, THERE'S NO BIG BOX ON SITE. PER OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, A BIG BOX WOULD REQUIRE US TO COME BACK WITH AN SEP. OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT IS NOT? NO. IT'S THAT SIZE FOR THE POTENTIAL TO BE A BIG BOX. BUT AT THIS POINT IT WOULD BE BROKEN INTO MULTIPLE TENANTS. OKAY. SO I MEAN I GUESS. JUST IN MY INITIAL THOUGHTS THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK THERE'S THE RIGHT IDEA IN TERMS OF THE WALKABILITY, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I GUESS I WOULD HAVE PICTURED A MORE PLACEMAKING KIND OF SETTING TO HAVE THE THE BUILDINGS MAYBE BE BUNCHED TOGETHER A LITTLE CLOSER WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WALKING FROM ONE. I MEAN, THIS LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY LONG DISTANCE. IF I WANT TO WALK FROM ONE CORNER TO THE OTHER. YES. AND PART OF OUR ORIGINAL LAYOUT, THE BUILDINGS WERE CLOSER TOGETHER, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT A TON OF PARKING FRONTING ANY OF THE ROADWAYS. FRONTIER D.A. SHAWNEE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE BUILT. AND SO WE TRIED TO PUSH THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREETS AND HAVE THE OPEN SPACE IN THE PARKING BE IN THE CENTER TO KIND OF SHIELD IT FROM PASSING VEHICLES. AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A FOUR SIDED FACADE. SO EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE INSTEAD OF JUST THE FRONT BEING A FRONT FACING FACADE, IT'S GOING TO CARRY AROUND TO ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING. SO THE BUILDINGS WILL HAVE THAT LOOK ALL THE WAY AROUND TO HOPEFULLY ADD TO THE APPEAL. WHAT DO YOU ENVISION THERE IN THE CORNER AS THE, YOU KNOW, ON THAT TOP RIGHT CORNER, WHICH IS THE ENTRY, WHAT KIND OF LANDSCAPE AND WHAT IS THAT? WHAT'S THE LITTLE CROSSHATCHED AREA? WHAT DO YOU ENVISION? YES. SO THAT IS A ENHANCED TRYING TO FIND REMEMBER THE BEST WORD TO USE FOR IT, BUT IT WILL JUST BE AN ENHANCED ENTRYWAY INTO THE SITE. SO IT'LL BE IT'LL HAVE A SIGN SAYING, YOU KNOW, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF PROSPER LANDSCAPING TO KIND OF HIDE THE BUILDINGS BEHIND IT. SO IT'S NOT THE FIRST THING YOU SEE, AND THEN IT'LL CONNECT TO THE WALKING TRAILS ON EITHER SIDE. AND THEN JUST ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION. THERE'S A THERE'S A CROSS-HATCHED BOX THERE IN THE AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE ROADS THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. AND THE NOTES SAY IT'S AN ELEVATED PEDESTRIAN INTERSECTION. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IS THERE A BRIDGE THERE.NO. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ENHANCED PAVEMENT TO KIND OF TIE ALL OF THE WALKWAYS IN TOGETHER AT THAT AREA. OKAY. SO ELEVATED IN STYLE. YES. YES OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.
THANKS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT MAYBE ADDING DIVERSITY OF BUILDINGS, MAYBE LIKE A COUPLE STORY OFFICE TO TIE INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT OR OFFICE AND RETAIL SOMETHING OTHER THAN JUST LIKE SINGLE STORY RETAIL ALONG THE PERIMETER, WHICH IS PRETTY TYPICAL OF JUST NOT NOT WHAT YOU'D WANT, REALLY. AT THE ENTRYWAY OF THE TOWN. NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DOING MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS OR OFFICE BUILDINGS. WE ARE PLANNING TO SPLIT THIS INTO TWO PHASES. SO THE DRIVEWAY IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE IS THE CUT OFF. EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH WOULD BE PHASE ONE, AND EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH WOULD BE PHASE TWO. SO OBVIOUSLY AS IT GETS BROKEN UP AND PUT INTO MORE DETAIL AS WE GO THROUGH SITE PLAN AND CIVILS, THERE COULD BE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OF ONE OF THESE LOTS POTENTIALLY BEING AN OFFICE BUILDING OR A MULTI-STORY, SO WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE. I'M SORRY, WAS THERE ANY IN USE TENANTS ALREADY? ARE THEY ALREADY DESIGNATED TENANTS FOR THESE STRUCTURES THAT YOU HAVE? THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE A TENANT FOR IS IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER. IT'LL BE A CVS OR WALGREENS. RIGHT? OKAY. GOOD. WHAT WOULD BE THE INTENDED USE OF THE TWO SMALLER RECTANGULAR SPACES ON THE TOP? KIND OF TO THE LEFT? I THINK THEY'RE BOTH 2400FT■!S. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT S THEIR INTENDED USES. OUR INTENDED TENANTS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE RESTAURANTS. RESTAURANTS.
OKAY. I THINK I ECHO ECHOES SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTS MADE. I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT PUT INTO IT. I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ABOVE AND BEYOND AS FAR AS THE OPEN SPACE
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THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT. I THINK FOR ME, THIS IS KIND OF MISSING THE MARK A LITTLE BIT. STILL STILL WORK TO DO. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN DISTRICT THAT WE'VE DESIGNATED NOW, I GUESS OFFICIALLY THE TOLLWAY DISTRICT OR AND THAT REGIONAL GATEWAY COMING INTO PROSPER. THIS DEFINITELY DOESN'T, DOESN'T FEEL LIKE PROSPER OR FEEL LIKE ANYTHING DIFFERENT. I THINK THE LACK OF DIVERSITY, I THINK IS A GREAT WORD. YOU KNOW, DENSITY WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING. AND YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING INTERESTING. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS YOU PROBABLY CAN'T ANSWER THIS ON THE FLY, BUT. WOULD YOU OR COULD YOU POSSIBLY BREAK THE SITE PLAN INTO THOSE TWO PHASES AND LOOK AT APPROVAL? I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD GET APPROVED, JUST SPECULATING ON THE NORTH HALF AND LEAVE THAT SECOND HALF FOR A FUTURE SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT MIGHT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE DENSITY. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING INTERESTING JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IT'S A LOT. IT'S I FORGET HOW MANY SQUARE FEET OF SINGLE STORY MULTI-TENANT RETAIL. IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S MATCHING THE INTENT OF THE TOLLWAY DISTRICT AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THERE. SO YES, AND WHEN WE GO IN FOR SITE PLAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. IT WILL BE BROKEN DOWN INTO. WE MIGHT DO PHASE ONE AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN EACH OF THE LOTS WOULD BE GOING IN ON THEIR OWN, MORE THAN LIKELY. HOW MANY PARTICULAR TENANTS BELIEVE IT'S LOT SEVEN AND EIGHT? HOW MANY PARTICULAR TENANTS WOULD A BUILDING LIKE THAT IN YOUR MIND HAVE? AS LOW AS TWO AND UP TO ON THE LOT EIGHT SIDE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BROKEN INTO TWO TENANTS, AND THE LOT SEVEN WOULD PROBABLY BE 3 TO 4 AT THE HIGH SIDE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? I GUESS IT IS BACK TO US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I GUESS IT'S BACK TO US.WE CAN HAVE A MOTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION. OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR. ANY THOUGHTS. NOT EVERYBODY AT ONCE. I'LL COMMENT HERE. A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTRARIAN POSITION. I DON'T HAVE A HUGE ISSUE WITH THIS. I THINK MY PRIMARY FOCUS WOULD BE ON THE QUALITY OF THE BUILDINGS, MAKING SURE THAT THEY LOOK NICE, AND AT LEAST FROM THE SOUNDS OF IT, THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF FACADE ON ALL FOUR SIDES. AND THEN I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE THAT THE LANDSCAPING AND MONUMENT SIGNAGE UP ON THAT NORTH EAST CORNER ARE DONE THE RIGHT WAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE SINGLE STORY RETAIL, I, I REALLY DON'T SEE A HUGE ISSUE WITH IT. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? I DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET. I'LL JUST MAKE THIS COMMENT. I GUESS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS. WELL, I GUESS MY COMMENT WAS I MADE IN MY QUESTION. I WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN A LITTLE MORE CREATIVITY IN THE IN THE USE OF THIS LAND AND THE SPOT AS AN ENTRYWAY INTO THE TOWN. AND AGAIN, MORE. I KNOW PLACEMAKING IS A KIND OF A TOUGH WORD TO DEFINE AND DESCRIBE, BUT I JUST IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S A REGULAR IT'S A IT'S A NORMAL. WHAT YOU SEE ON EVERY IN MOST ALL CITIES, EXCEPT THAT IT'S GOT A WATERWAY AND A WALKING AREA THAT KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. SO I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW USE USED IT WILL BE, I DON'T I DON'T THINK. SEE THE GREEN SPACE, THE WALKABLE AREAS BEING REALLY USABLE AS THAT WAY. I BUT I AT THE SAME TIME, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT, A LOT OF WORK ON THIS AREA. I THINK IT'S. SO I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC TERMS OF WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT THIS. BUT CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT? I THINK IT'S THE LAST SLIDE IN
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THIS SECTION. YEAH. THIS IS THIS IS GREAT. I MEAN I THINK I ECHO COMMISSIONER KIND OF CONCERNS. AND YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF REGIONAL DESTINATION, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT READING ALL OF THESE THINGS, RETAIL, ENTERTAINMENT, OFFICE PROGRAMING, CREATING A RECOGNIZABLE NODE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THIS IS VERY DEFINITELY DOESN'T FEEL RECOGNIZABLE. I DO THINK TRIED TO MAKE AN EMPHASIS NOT ON THE PARKING LOTS. SO I DO WANT TO GIVE CONSIDERATION THERE. BUT YEAH, I JUST THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF THE RENDERING THAT'S JUST PROVIDED AS A GENERAL, LIKE, HEY, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD KIND OF MEET A COMMERCIAL DESTINATION. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR, FOR A GATEWAY LIKE THAT. SO AND THEN I THINK THE I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTARY ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS, BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, GO BACK TO THE PRELIMINARY SIDE POINT. YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT REALLY A SIDEWALK. AND I KNOW THIS IS PRELIMINARY. I RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT NOTHING'S REALLY SHOWN CONNECTING OVER TO SHAWNEE TRAIL. THAT KIND OF BRINGS THAT MAIN THOROUGHFARE AND TIES THAT INTO EVERYTHING. WE KIND OF CONNECTED A, A GREEN SPACE DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF TWO SPACES THAT I DON'T. I DON'T SEE HOW THEY'RE GETTING USED OR CONNECTED, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S REALLY ANY ACCESS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST THAT I CAN TELL, AT LEAST IN THE AERIAL THAT WAS PROVIDED. SO I THINK THIS ONE STILL HAS A LITTLE WORK TO DO PERSONALLY. BUT WE DO HAVE TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD OR NOT. SO WE DO NEED A MOTION. MR. CHAIR, CAN I INTERJECT SOMETHING NOT. AND I DON'T USUALLY LIKE GETTING INTO THE MIDDLE OF YOUR DELIBERATIONS. IT'S NOT A GOOD HABIT TO GET INTO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY LAID OUT RIGHT NOW, THE PARKING SITUATION IS PRETTY MUCH MAXED FOR WHAT THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE SHOWN ARE GOING TO NEED. WHICH MEANS IF YOU ADD A SECOND STORY OR YOU ADD MORE BUILDINGS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING. AND THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING MEANS EITHER ANOTHER BUILDING IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO AWAY OR GET SMALLER, OR WE START GETTING INTO STRUCTURED PARKING, WHICH IT'S NOTHING AGAINST STRUCTURED PARKING, BUT THAT PUTS A WHOLE NEW KINK INTO THE PLAN, SO TO SPEAK. AS FAR AS IS LAYING IT OUT AND COST AND AND SO FORTH. AND SO WHILE Y'ALL ARE, ARE THINKING ABOUT IT AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WENT HOME THE SQUARE IN YOUR MIND AND YOU CAME BACK, IS THIS WHAT YOU WOULD COME BACK WITH? I YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE. MAYBE NOT. AS I MENTIONED AND DELANEY MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AT THE BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANTS AND THE OWNERS TO, TO GET TO THIS POINT. AND I THINK WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT STILL THERE YET. AND SO WHILE YOU ALL ARE THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO SEE, OR IF YOU WANT IT TO COME BACK, KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, PART OF OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS KEEP THIS FROM OVERWHELMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT WITH THE WATER FEATURES AND THE THE WALKING AROUND TRAILS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON, YOU WANT IT TO BE INVITING. SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU DIVIDE UP THE BIGGER BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE WEST SIDE, MAKE THEM MORE EVEN, SPLIT THEM UP IN SIZE, HAVE MORE OF A PROMENADE ENTRANCE COMING IN FROM THE BACK? I MEAN, ALL OF THOSE ARE OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES, AND THERE ARE ALL THINGS THAT COULD BE TWEAKED AT SOME POINT. ONCE THERE'S A BETTER IDEA OF WHO THE TENANTS ARE GOING TO BE. SO I THINK COMING UP WITH AN ABSOLUTE FINAL SOLUTION RIGHT NOW, EXCUSE ME, IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT, BUT COMING UP WITH SOME, SOME IDEAS OR, OR OPINIONS OR. JUST ANY TYPE OF, OF SUGGESTIONS SO TO SPEAK, WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL NOT ONLY TO, TO THE APPLICANTS BUT ALSO TO US WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO SEE IT AGAIN. SO JUST THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS ANY OR NOT, BUT BUT THERE'S JUST MORE THINGS TO DUMP ON TOP OF YOU ALREADY TO BE THINKING ABOUT. WELL, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO TO[00:25:09]
ASK THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF GUIDANCE IF WE'RE THEY'RE NOT PARAPHRASING THE ENTIRE COMMISSION, BUT IF IF ONE OF US IS OPPOSED OR HAS CONCERNS, I THINK IT'S VALID TO EXPECT THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO OFFER SOME FEEDBACK. AND I THINK WE TALKED A COUPLE COUPLE OF KEY WORDS THAT I WOULD TAKE AWAY DENSITY. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THIS IS NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, 12 AND 15 STOREY OFFICE BUILDINGS. I DON'T THAT'S NOT WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT, BUT SOME VARIETY. AND THEN I THINK THE OTHER TERM THAT I WROTE DOWN, I THINK FROM COMMISSIONER HAMILTON, WAS DIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN SINGLE TENANT OR MULTI TENANT. EXCUSE ME, MULTI TENANT RETAIL I MEAN THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING ON THIS THAT'S NOT MULTI TENANT RETAIL. SO I THINK THOSE WOULD BE THE BIG ONES. THE BIG ONES FOR ME. AND SOMETHING I WOULD SAY SOMETHING SPECIAL SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES SOME CHARACTER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OVER THE TOP. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, DELIBERATED ON OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THE TOLLWAY, THEY WERE MULTIPLE SUBMITTALS, MULTIPLE MONTHS. AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THIS HAS BEEN GOING, AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT IT TO PERPETUALLY GO FOREVER. WE WOULD LOVE TO SUPPORT A DEVELOPER TRYING TO DEVELOP SOMETHING, BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THOSE TO GET TO SOMETHING THAT BOTH THE COMMISSION, THE COUNCIL AND STAFF AND EVERYONE IS ULTIMATELY EXCITED ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF HARD WORK AND IT TAKES A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH. AND I THINK THOSE ALL BROUGHT DIFFERENT THINGS TO THE TABLE THAT MAKES IT SPECIAL. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MISSING, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ONLY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR IS THERE A MOTION? OKAY. SO I MAKE A MOTION FOR CONSENT AGENDA THREE TO BE TABLED BEFORE THE DISCUSSION. CAN WE TABLE A CONSENT ITEM? DOES THAT DOES THAT PRACTICALLY MAKE SENSE? OKAY OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR TABLING CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER THREE B DO WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND.ALL ALL THOSE. MR. JUMP TO MAYBE HAVE A DATE CERTAIN TO TABLE IT TO JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA LIKE FIRST MEETING AND SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY WITH THE HOLIDAYS COMING, DO YOU NEED IF THEY WERE GOING TO SUBMIT SOMETHING BACK IN A CHANGE, WOULD YOU NEED MORE THAN THAT FIRST MEETING TO COME BACK TO YOU THEN? FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY? YES, FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY WOULD BE JANUARY THE 7TH. SO MY QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT IN JUST IN THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD, DO YOU HAVE BY TABLING THIS OBVIOUSLY GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO REFINE OR ENHANCE OR WHATEVER. IS THERE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR YOU TO DO THAT TO, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS THAT WE CAN THAT THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH? OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD LIKE FOR. OPINIONS AND IDEAS TO BE. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOUR OPINIONS AND FEEDBACK. YOU SAID YOU WANTED DIVERSITY AND UNIQUENESS, AND THOSE ARE VERY BROAD TERMS AND COULD BE LOOKED AT IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS BY MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND SO WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH STAFF IN PERSON VIA TEAMS TO TRY AND GET THAT IDEA OUT THERE. AND AS WE'VE STATED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. IT'S A LARGE SITE.
IT'S MUCH EASIER TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL WHEN WE GET TO A SITE PLAN LEVEL, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL LOTS RATHER THAN ALL 11. SO ANY OPINIONS THAT YOU HAVE THAT WE CAN DISCUSS WITH STAFF PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING? WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT BEFORE THEN. FOR ME, IT'S AGAIN, I WOULD FOR ME, I WOULD ENHANCE THE WALKABILITY OF THIS. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE WALKABILITY, THE IDEA IS THERE IN THE WALK AREA AND THE AND THE, THE SMALL WATER FEATURE. BUT IT'S TO ME IT'S JUST KIND OF STUCK IN THE MIDDLE. IT
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DOESN'T CONNECT TO ANY OF THE BUILDINGS. IT REALLY DOESN'T CONNECT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE EAST WESTERN SIDE OF THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT CONNECTS. THERE'S A FEW LITTLE POCKETS OF GREEN AREAS, BUT NOTHING THAT REALLY DRAWS PEOPLE TO THE WATER AREA. I THINK THE WATER FEATURE IS ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ATTRACTIVE FEATURE FOR PEOPLE TO BE DRAWN TO. AND AND SO YOU DO YOU ARE SURROUNDED, YOU KNOW, ON THE WEST SIDE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL, I GUESS THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. ON THAT SIDE. AND THEN AND DOWN AND SOUTH OF THAT HAS SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THE PLAN. SO TO DRAW FROM THOSE, TO CONNECT TO IT AND BRING THEM INTO THIS WHOLE AREA, RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IF I WANTED TO USE THAT WALKING AREA OR THAT WATER FEATURE, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE MY CAR TO GET TO IT. SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A WHAT CAN WHAT CAN YOU DO TO ENHANCE THAT, I GUESS IS PART OF IT, ALONG WITH THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE BRINGING UP ON DIVERSITY AND UNIQUENESS OF THE BUILDINGS. COMMISSIONER FIORE, THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN.ONE ONE MORE QUESTION AND I THINK IT'S FOR FOR DAVID HOOVER. IT'S A COUPLE OF HYPOTHETICALS.
SO WHAT IS BEFORE US IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. SO IF THIS WERE APPROVED TONIGHT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT PREVENTS THE FINAL SITE PLAN FROM HAVING AN OFFICE BUILDING OR HAVING TWO STORY RETAIL OR HAVING ANYTHING DIFFERENT? ANYTHING DIFFERENT IS A PRETTY BROAD STATEMENT. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. YES. AND IT'S TOO CAVALIER WITH MY LANGUAGE THERE.
NO, IT'S THE SHORT ANSWER IS IS NO. THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS CHANGES. WE USUALLY DON'T LIKE TO SEE DRASTIC CHANGES BECAUSE THAT USUALLY HAS A DOMINO EFFECT. BUT BUT MAKING CHANGES MINOR CHANGES ARE ARE ARE FINE. BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REMIND, SINCE YOU OPENED THE DOOR BACK UP FOR ME, SO TO SPEAK, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT DATES AND TIMES, AND IN GETTING BACK ON THE FIRST MEETING ON THE SEVENTH WITH CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS, NEW YEAR'S HOLIDAYS, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE THIS AGENDA ITEM BACK FINISHED, ALL UPDATED, SPIFFY AND EVERYTHING BY TUESDAY. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT TOO SOON. SO I THINK IT'D PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA TO PUSH IT TO THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY. AND I SAY THAT NOT KNOWING IF DELANEY'S GOT ORDERS FROM FROM HER, HER EMPLOYER HERE ON THIS PROCESS. SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO STEP INTO THAT, SO TO SPEAK. BUT BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD BE KIND OF QUICK TO BE ABLE TO GET IT BACK WITH THE HOLIDAYS. GOT IT. SO MY SECOND HYPOTHETICAL IS IS THE INVERSE OF THAT. SO IF THIS PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN COMES BACK FOR THE SECOND MEETING OF JANUARY AND IT HAS AND COUPLE OF OFFICE BUILDINGS IN THESE SPACES WHERE THE RETAIL BUILDINGS ARE AND THE FINAL SITE PLAN COMES AND IT'S THIS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THEORETICALLY PREVENTS THAT, Y'ALL? I MEAN, THE COMMISSION COULD COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE DID THIS. I THINK WE'VE ALL ACKNOWLEDGED THE MARKET'S GOING TO HAVE SOME SOME BEARING. AND PERSONALLY I THINK SHOWING SOME, SOME TWO STOREY OFFICES A POSSIBILITY IS NOT A NEGATIVE THING. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN. BUT SOMEBODY WHO'S LOOKING AT PERHAPS PURCHASING SOMETHING OR BUILDING SOMETHING OR LEASING SOMETHING MIGHT LIKE TO SEE THAT IT'S AN OPTION BECAUSE EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE A GREAT IMAGINATION. SO THEY MIGHT THINK IT'S ONLY ONE STOREY RETAIL. THAT'S ALL THEY CAN DO. SO IT MIGHT NOT HURT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. I COULD ADD TO DAVID'S STATEMENT THE REASON WHY IT'S ALL ONE STOREY IS BECAUSE WHEN TALKING WITH STAFF, THERE WAS WORRIES ABOUT OUR BUILDINGS OVERLOOKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE GOT INTO MORE OF A CONVERSATION OF THE LANDSCAPING AND WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BE PROPOSING, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SHIELD OUR DEVELOPMENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. AND I WOULD I WOULD SAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY A VALID CONCERN, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE BUILDINGS ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE LAND. I THINK THOSE THAT ARE FRONTING THE TOLLWAY, THOUGH, CAN BE MORE THAN ONE STORY AND PROBABLY WOULD BE WOULD LOOK BETTER, MORE THAN ONE STORY. AND I THINK THAT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, BUT THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK IN MY MIND IS, IS WHERE YOU'D SEE THE THE DISTINCTIONS MADE. THAT'S KIND OF WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION. I ALSO WONDERED IF ALSO WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY END USERS ALREADY IN MIND, IN CASE THERE WERE ALREADY IN PLACE FOR ALL THIS. I THINK HAVING THAT DIVERSITY WILL HELP THIS PROJECT. IT'LL LOOK BETTER AND I THINK IT'LL ADD MORE VALUE
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DOWN THE ROAD, AS WELL AS BEING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I LOVE THAT YOU DID A LOT MORE WITH THE OPEN SPACE. IT PROBABLY JUST NEEDS A LITTLE BIT TWEAKING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PLACEMAKING. AS WAS STATED, I THINK YOU'RE WE'RE FAR ALONG, BUT I THINK IT JUST NEEDS A FEW MORE TWEAKS. AND MAYBE ALSO ADD, IF I COULD, RECOGNIZING THIS IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND. AND NO, I KNOW THAT AT THE SITE PLAN LEVEL THERE CAN BE CHANGES AND YOU CAN MAKE OTHER CHANGES, BUT I THINK THIS CORNER IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN THAT I, I, I DON'T I WANT TO SEE AN OVERALL PLAN FOR IT THAT THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN IS GIVING ME. AND SO I WANT TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT AS A STARTING POINT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT A SITE PLAN IS GOING TO MAKE CHANGES, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S GOING TO STILL FOLLOW PRETTY CLOSELY TO THE OVERALL IDEA OF THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, UNLESS YOU'VE JUST TOTALLY BLOWN IT ALL UP AND STARTED OVER. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THAT KIND OF GET A LITTLE BIT NOT DETAILED, BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IDEA OF WHAT THIS COULD BE LIKE WITH WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE HERE. SO AND OUR THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT WAS PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. WE REALLY JUST WANTED TO GET THE LAYOUT THE WAY EVERYONE WANTS IT TO BE. AND THEN AT THE SITE PLAN LEVEL, COME BACK WITH FACADES AND A DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SHOW HOW EVERYTHING IS ACTUALLY GOING TO LOOK, BECAUSE TYPICALLY THAT'S NOT DONE AT THIS LEVEL. AND I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE THE WAY TO DO THIS. AGAIN, THIS BEING THIS CORNER, IT JUST RAISES ITS IMPORTANCE TO US. AND SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY I'M SEEKING A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFORT ON THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN THAN WHAT WOULD BE NORMAL. BUT THANK YOU. I WOULD ECHO THOSE COMMENTS FOR SURE. OKAY. WE WE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND I GUESS THE THE AMEND, THE MOTION, I GUESS WOULD BE IF YOU WANT TO AGREE TO CHANGING THE DATE TO JANUARY 20TH. SO FOR CLARITY, YOU WANT TO RESTATE THAT JUST SO. MR. CHAIR, I TO TABLE CONSENT AGENDA THREE B TO SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY JANUARY 20TH OF 26. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DANIEL TO MOVE TO TABLE ITEM THREE? B DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I STILL HAVE A SECOND. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE COMMISSIONERS IN FAVOR OF TABLING CONSENT. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM THREE B TO THE SECOND MEETING OF JANUARY.PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT WOULD BE. COUNCILOR. OKAY. OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES 5 TO 1. OR IS THERE WHAT'S MY ANY OPPOSITION? OKAY. ONE. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 1 FOR TABLING. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. SORRY. WE GOT OFF SCRIPT. I DIDN'T HAVE IT. ALL THE RIGHT RULES HERE FOR THAT ONE. ALRIGHT. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. I'M SORRY I CAN READ IT BETTER OFF THE SCREEN, BUT I'LL ROLL WITH THIS. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC. HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO ADDRESS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. THOSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST COMPLETE THE PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM LOCATED ON THE TOWN WEBSITE OR IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. IF YOU ARE ATTENDING IN PERSON, PLEASE SUBMIT THIS FORM TO THE BOARD CHAIR OR STAFF MEMBER. WHEN CALLED UPON, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. IF MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS WISH TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC, THEY MAY YIELD THEIR THREE MINUTES TO ONE INDIVIDUAL APPOINTED TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. ALL INDIVIDUALS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE MEETING, AND THE APPOINTED INDIVIDUAL WILL BE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANY COMMENT FORMS? WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROVIDED. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PUBLIC OR WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO,
[4. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request to amend the development standards, uses and conceptual layout of Planned Development-52, consisting of 10.8± acres on the south side of Prosper Trail and 815± feet east of Mike Howard Lane. (ZONE-25-0012) ]
I'M SORRY, I'M JUST READING. SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE TO REGULAR AGENDA. SO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.007 TEXAS GOVERNMENTAL CODE, INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR ITEMS ON PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE RECOGNIZED WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED. SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR,[00:40:03]
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A REQUEST TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, USES AND CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 52 CONSISTING OF 10.8 ACRES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PROSPER TRAIL AND 815FT EAST OF MIKE HOWARD LANE. ZONING 25 0012. OKAY, SO THE PROPOSAL FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT 52 IS TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS USING CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT PLAN DEVELOPMENT 52 PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT TO CONSTRUCT FOUR OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS, ELIMINATE THE INTENSE INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE CURRENT PLAN. DEVELOPMENT.THE PLAN. THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ADDRESSES STANDARDS SUCH AS SETBACKS, OPEN STORAGE, REMOVAL, LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SPACE TO ALLOW THE SITE TO REMAIN IN CONFORMANCE WITH TOWN REGULATIONS AND WILL AMEND IF NEEDED. THIS IS THE CURRENT. THE CURRENT SITE. IT'S JUST NORTHWEST OF HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PROSPER TRAIL. THIS IS LOCATED MAP WITH THE SURROUNDING USES. THE SURROUNDING ZONINGS OF THE LOCATION. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS IT LABELS THIS AS A BUSINESS PARK. LOCATED WEST OF BNSF RAILROAD BETWEEN PROSPER TRAIL AND FIRST STREET. IT WOULD INCLUDE A VARIETY OF POTENTIAL USES, INCLUDING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, WAREHOUSING, AND COMMERCIAL USES WITH OUTSIDE COMMERCIAL USES WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE. MIND YOU, THIS IS IN QUOTATIONS. THIS IS FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN BECAUSE THE OPEN STORAGE IS REMOVED FROM THE PROPOSAL. OKAY, WELL, I SAW STORES ARE LIKELY TO OCCUR AND BE NECESSARY WITHIN THIS DISTRICT. SIGNIFICANT EFFORT SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE VISUAL INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRICT, PARTICULARLY WHEN LOCATED IN HIGH VISIBILITY AREAS. THE HISTORY OF THIS LOCATION IS THE. IT WAS. THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2011 WITH THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF BEING, YOU KNOW, A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS. THE CURRENT BUILDINGS WERE TO BE REFINISHED AND ALLOWED FOR OPEN STORAGE. NOW STATE AGAIN. THE OPEN STORAGE IS BEING REMOVED. THE ZONING FOR THE SURROUNDING AREAS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PROSPER TRAIL IS RESIDENTIAL. TO THE EAST IS A NONRESIDENTIAL BUSINESS PARK, ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS NONRESIDENTIAL BUSINESS PARK, AND TO THE WEST IS A NONRESIDENTIAL BUSINESS PARK AS WELL. AS THE LOCATOR MAP. WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THAT LITTLE AREA WITH THE ARROW POINTED. THAT'S THE LOCATION WE'RE TALKING TO RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS THE CURRENT CURRENT LAYOUT OF THAT SITUATION GOING UP THERE. AND MIND YOU, THROUGHOUT THESE SLIDES, THIS IS A UNIQUE SHAPED PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME SLIDES WHERE IT'S BROKEN DOWN AND ZOOMED IN. SO YOU HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. OKAY. THIS IS THE BLOW UP OF THE NORTH SIDE. THERE'S A EXISTING BUILDINGS THERE RIGHT NOW THAT WILL BE REMOVED. IF THIS IS APPROVED. YOU HAVE THE SITE DATA SITE DATA TABLE TO THE TO THE RIGHT. THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE WITH AN EXISTING POND. NOW THIS IS THE PROPOSAL I MENTIONED. THEY WANT TO PROPOSE FOR OFFICE BUILDINGS. WELL, FOR OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS. AS FAR AS DISTRICT REGULATIONS, THEY STILL THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR DISTRICT. THEY MEET ALL THE SETBACKS, NONE OF THE LOT SIZES, MAXIMUM HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDING, LOT COVERAGE. NONE OF THAT STUFF IS GOING TO CHANGE. THIS BUILDING ONE AND BUILDING TWO ARE CLOSE UP, AND YOU CAN SEE THE THE SURROUNDING PARKING AS WELL.
THIS IS THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY. AND I MOVE ON TO THE LANDSCAPE AND OPEN SPACE. THE LANDSCAPING EXCEEDS THE TOWNS REQUIREMENT FOR THOROUGHFARE, THOROUGHFARE AND PARKING STANDARDS. THE PROPOSAL FOR THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS HEAVILY PLANTED DUE TO ITS EXPOSURE TO THE NON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE WEST SIDE. AS I STATED BEFORE, THIS IS A THIS PROPERTY. YES, IT DOES EXCEED THE TOWN'S STANDARDS FOR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. THE CURRENT CURRENTLY REQUIRED IS 32,959FT■!S OF OPEN SPACE, AND THEY'RE ALLOWING FOR FIVE, FIVE, 50, 53,441FT■!S OF OPEN SPACE. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS BLOWING UP THE. YOU CAN SEE THE TYPES OF TREES AND SHRUBBERY THAT THEY INTEND TO USE. AND IF YOU NOTICE HOW HEAVILY THEY'RE BASICALLY OVERLAP ON THE TRAIL SIDE AS FAR AS ORNAMENTAL TREES.
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AS FAR AS OPEN SPACE, THE AREA NORTH OF BUILDING ONE WHERE FEATURE TWO TABLES, TWO BENCHES, TWO BIKE RACKS, AND A TRASH RECEPTACLE. BUILDINGS TWO, THREE AND FOUR WERE EACH HAVE ADJACENT OPEN SPACE EQUIPMENT WITH A TABLE, A BENCH, A BIKE RACK AND A TRASH RECEPTACLE.ADDITIONALLY, THE LANDSCAPE AREAS, THE LANDSCAPE AREAS SURROUNDING THE POND MAINTAINED THAT A NORMAL POOL LEVEL WILL INCLUDE TWO TABLES AND THREE BENCHES POSITIONED ALONG THE WALKING TRAIL AND ENCIRCLES THE POND, OFFERING A SCENIC AND FUNCTIONAL OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE.
THIS OPEN SPACE PLAN AND LIKE I SAID, I HAVE IT ZOOMED IN. WE CAN SEE TO THE NORTH FOR THE BUILDINGS. WE HAVE THE THE PICNIC, PICNIC TABLES, BENCHES AND THE TRASH RECEPTACLE. AND ON THE YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT ON THE. NORTHWEST CORNER OF BUILDING NUMBER THREE, THERE'S THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPE AREA AND AS WELL AS THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF BUILDING FOUR THAT'S SHOWN HERE. CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE IS THAT DECOMPOSED GRANITE PATH? IS THAT JUST THE PERIMETER OF THE SOUTH SIDE OR WHERE IS THAT? I WISH I COULD ZOOM IN ON THIS. THE BLUE LINE AROUND THE POND.
OKAY. AS FAR AS THE ELEVATIONS, THE FRONT FACADE FACING THE TRAIL SHALL INCORPORATE A COMBINATION OF CULTURAL, CULTURAL AND NATURAL SHAPED FIELDSTONE UPPER AND CONCRETE TIP WALL ELEMENTS AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT F. MOVING FORWARD THROUGH THE SLIDE, YOU GUYS SEE EXHIBIT F, B A LOW SLOPED ROOF WITH WHITE TPO MEMBRANE FOR EXHIBIT F PERMITTED EXTERIOR.
EXTERIOR MATERIALS FOR THE SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS INCLUDE METAL, CONCRETE TIP WALL, OR MASONRY MATERIALS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN'S ZONING ORDINANCE, BUILDING SHALL COMPLY WITH THE ATTACHED CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS. EXHIBIT F ONCE AGAIN, THE FRONT CANOPY SHALL MEET THE ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS AS SHOWN ON EXHIBIT F, NO ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION IS REQUIRED ON THE SIDE OR THE REAR OF THE FACADES. THIS IS THE CURRENT BUILDING THAT THAT BUILDING IS STILL THERE. SAME HERE. ACTUALLY, WHEN I TOOK PICTURES FOR YOU GUYS. AND THE SCENE BEFORE, THIS IS THE THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE LOCATION FOR THIS BUILDING. AND I'M OPEN TO YOUR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. NO. ALL RIGHT. YOU WANT TO HAVE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION OR NO ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW. THEY'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'M CRAZY. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. DO YOU MIND COMING UP TO THE. THANK YOU. JUST FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU COULD NAME AND ADDRESS TO. OKAY, CLAYTON BRYAN, 10015 REGAL PARK LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS. THANK YOU. NATHAN 47 736 LOST RIVER DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO I THINK I SAW THAT IT'S IS IT 150,000FT, ALL FOUR BUILDINGS. CORRECT.
AND I THINK I SAW THAT THE MINIMUM TENANT SPACE WOULD BE 10,000FT■!S. IS THAT RIGHT? IT COULD POSSIBLY BE SMALLER, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAD PLANNED. THE BUILDINGS TOO. OKAY. EACH BUILDING HAS FOUR ENTRANCES. OKAY. BUT YOU COULD YOU COULD DIVIDE THOSE UP INTO SMALLER SPACES IF YOU WERE TO USE ONE OF THE DOORS. SO IS THAT THE THOUGHT IS THAT IT'S GOING TO END UP HAVING 15 TENANTS OR MORE, OR IS IT IS THE IDEA MORE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR TENANTS PER BUILDING? I MEAN, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SINGLE TENANT IN EACH BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THEORETICALLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THE DEMANDS FOR SMALLER SPACES, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE LANDSCAPING. SO ONCE THE BUILDING IS FINISHED, LANDSCAPING IS DONE.
WHO MAINTAINS THAT LANDSCAPING AFTER THE FACT? WE WOULD. OKAY. SO WE CAN JUST DRIVE BY THAT BUILDING AT ANY GIVEN TIME FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. AND ONCE IT'S DONE AND THE LANDSCAPING WILL BE IN GOOD SHAPE, WOULDN'T BE RUN DOWN AND OVERGROWN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT OUR INTENTION AT ALL. YEAH. I MEAN, IF WE SELL IT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHOEVER WE SELL IT TO WOULD END UP HAVING TO MAINTAIN THAT AS WELL. BUT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN A NICE LOOKING PARK.
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OKAY. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, IS THERE IS THERE A FENCE OR ANY KIND OF WALL THAT'S BUILT BETWEEN YOU AND THE PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE EAST? IS THERE? CURRENTLY OR CURRENTLY? WELL, CURRENTLY. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING PLANNED? IS THERE A WALL PLAN THERE? CURRENTLY THERE'S A FENCE THERE, BUT THE THERE WOULDN'T BE WE WOULD BE REMOVING THAT, WOULDN'T BE DOING THAT AND NOTHING. OF COURSE THERE'S NOTHING CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST. SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO WALL PLAN THERE EITHER. WHAT ABOUT IN THE BACK? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE BACK? WELL, THE POND IS KIND OF A NATURAL BUFFER, BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING IN TERMS OF LIKE A WALL. AND THE USE TO THE SOUTH IS PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND. ON THE TRUCK WELLS, THERE'S THE FOUR TRUCK WELLS. I SAW ONE ON EACH BUILDING. SO THAT THOSE ARE IT MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AROUND THOSE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO IS THAT JUST A GRASS AREA? JUST A BUFFER AREA OR IS THERE ACTUALLY LANDSCAPING PLANNED ON THAT SPOT? YEAH. IT'S JUST IT'S REALLY JUST A BUFFER FOR THE PARKING SPACES RIGHT THERE. JUST BUFFER FOR PARKING SPACES. SO IT'S JUST A GRASS GRASSY AREA WITH NO BUSHES OR TREES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY HIDING THE TRUCKS OR ANYTHING. THERE'S THE REAR OF THE BUILDINGS WILL HAVE IT'LL BE SCREENED FROM THAT, BUT THAT WE PLACE THEM PURPOSELY KIND OF INTERNAL TO THE PARK JUST THAT WAY. THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, FACING PROSPER TRAIL. RIGHT. OKAY. NOW THE DRAWING SHOWS OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT OVERHEAD DOORS CORRECT. ALL ALONG THE WHOLE INTERIOR. I GUESS THE PLAN IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO BE BUILT OUT. DEPENDS UPON THE TENANT. I GUESS THEY WOULD BE BUILT OUT IN THE IN ON THE FRONT END. YEAH. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO. THEY'LL ALL BE DOORS. BUT HOW THEY USE ARE USED IN THIS PARK IS DIFFERENT. THE FOR EXAMPLE THE PARKING JUST BEHIND THIS. RIGHT. ALL THE DOORS ON THE REAR. SO THEY'RE VERY FUNCTIONAL JUST OVERHEAD DOORS. THESE ONES WILL BE A LITTLE MORE OF A DESIGN FEATURE WITH GLASS KIND OF INLET IN THEM. AND THEN THEY'LL ALSO BE LIKE A DARKER GRAY COLOR, BUT THEY CAN ALSO BE REMOVED AND ADDED AS WINDOWS OR CAN JUST BE LEFT OPEN. A LOT OF THE TYPE OF TENANTS THAT GOES IN THESE SPACES ARE LIKE OUTDOOR LIVING PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN SET UP A TIKI BAR ON THE INSIDE, AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO TOUR THAT, THEY CAN DO THAT AS WELL.BUT THEN IT'S ALSO FUNCTIONAL FOR SMALL AMOUNTS OF GOODS GOING IN AND OUT. OKAY. SO YOU DO INTEND FOR AS ON THIS PICTURE HERE, THOSE DOOR LOOKING SPACES TO BE THERE, WHETHER THEY'RE REAL DOORS OR NOT OR JUST DESIGN IS IS CORRECT. SO THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE THE DOOR IF IT'S A WORKING DOOR, BUT OTHERWISE IT MAY NOT BE SOME PEOPLE. I MEAN WE CAN REMOVE IT AND PUT FULL GLASS THERE IF WE WANT. I MEAN THAT HAPPENS QUITE A BIT NOW.
KIMLEY-HORN IS THEIR OFFICE IS ACTUALLY IN ONE OF THESE PARKS IN SALINA, AND THEY REMOVED ALL THAT PUT GLASS IN. OKAY. AND OBVIOUSLY I GUESS AS TENANTS ARE BEING, YOU KNOW, AS YOU OR YOU SAY YOU'RE GETTING TENANTS WHO ARE NEEDING THE DOORS, EACH ONE OF THOSE DOORS IS GOING TO TAKE OUT PARKING SPACE OR TWO, I GUESS. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. YEAH, CORRECT. AND I MEAN, THE DOORS ARE USED IN VARIOUS MANNERS, SO SOMETIMES THEY MIGHT OPEN IT ONCE A MONTH. RIGHT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY EVERY DAY THEY'RE GOING IN AND OUT OF IT OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY WE TYPICALLY PUT THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE DOORS JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T NEED TO USE THE DOOR OFTEN, THEN A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL START PARKING IN FRONT OF IT IF WE DON'T STRIP IT OR NOT, YOU KNOW. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE INTENDED USE THERE. AND THEN ALSO JUST KIND OF TO ROUND OUT THE DOOR CONVERSATION IS WE LEAVE THEM WITH JUST KIND OF A PANEL OF GLASS BECAUSE WE ALSO WANT TO RESPECT THE TENANT'S PRIVACY. OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT ANYONE WALKING UP AND IF THEY HAVE STUFF STORED ON THE INSIDE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT ANYONE LOOKING INTO IT. BUT THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THE DESIGN CURRENTLY. I NOTICED ON THE LANDSCAPE THE CHART THAT SHOWED THE LANDSCAPE. IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT ONE. THAT RIGHT THERE. SO WHAT'S CURRENTLY REQUIRED IS, YOU KNOW, 7% OF THE LOT AREA HAS TO BE OPEN SPACE. AND THAT WOULD BE 30, ALMOST 33,000FT■!S. BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE PLANNING ON 53,000FT■!S.O THAT'S BY MY CALCULATOR. IF I'M DOING MY MATH CORRECTLY, THAT'S 11.3% EVERYTHING. ARE YOU ARE YOU OPEN TO CHANGING THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS FROM THAT 7%
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TO 11.3 OR 11 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IT'S CLOSER TO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO MATCH. THE PLAN IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. YES, WE'D BE OPEN TO THAT. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COUPLE? PRETTY MUCH LINE JUST BACK TO THE DOORS.
YEAH, I THINK I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION OR THE CONCERN, BUT THE, THE INTENT IS THOSE, THOSE AREN'T FUNCTIONING AS LOADING DOORS PER SE. BECAUSE IF YOU START TO STRIPE OFF PARKING, YOUR PARKING COUNT WOULD EFFECTIVELY GO DOWN. RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. AND I DIDN'T SEE AND I APOLOGIZE IF IT WAS ON THAT OTHER CHART WHICH YOU'VE JUST READ, BUT HOW CLOSE ARE WE ON PARKING RIGHT NOW? IS THAT IN THAT CHART? TOTAL PARKING REQUIRED VERSUS THAT'S ALL LANDSCAPING, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE WE GO. YEAH. SO WE'RE EXACTLY SO FUNCTIONALLY YOU REALLY CAN'T REMOVE ANY PARKING TO MAKE IT A LOADING A TRUE FUNCTIONAL DRIVE THROUGH LOADING DOOR OF SOME VARIETY. AND SO THAT PARKING COUNT AND PARKING TOTAL IS A BALANCE OF WHAT IF WE WERE TO CONVERT THIS TO 154,000FT■!S OF OFFICE? YEAH, THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD BE MASSIVE VERSUS WE'RE BALANCING WHAT'S THE MAX OFFICE AND THE MAX WAREHOUSE WE CAN HAVE AT 154,000. SO THAT'S HOW YOU GENERATED THAT THAT THAT'S YOUR WORST CASE SCENARIO.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING FOR. THAT'S IF AN ENTIRE BUILDING BECOMES OFFICE COMPLETELY. YEAH.
SO CURRENTLY WITH THE WAREHOUSE SPACE CONTEMPLATED, NOW WE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE PARKING.
YEAH. OKAY. SO EFFECTIVELY THESE WOULD, COULD IN SOME CAPACITY BECOME LOADING DRIVE, DRIVE IN, DRIVE OUT GARAGE DOORS LIKE CORRECT. YEAH. BUT THEN THE WAREHOUSE WOULD LOWER THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. YEAH. YEAH YEAH. AND THEN ON THE I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENCY TO THE EAST, WHATEVER THAT IS DESIGNATED ON THE, ON THE PLAN. BUT THEY'RE AT A SCREEN WALL OR ANYTHING IS NOT REQUIRED. THE VERY SMALL LANDSCAPE I THINK IT'S FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE SETBACK DOWN THE WHOLE EAST FACADE. THAT'S THAT EVERYTHING COMPLIES. YES. OKAY.
I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. YEAH. GO AHEAD. SO THERE IS NO MINIMUM UNIT SQUARE FOOTAGE HERE. CORRECT. THERE IS LIKE PHYSICALLY BECAUSE OF THE SPACING OF THE DOORS. BUT CURRENTLY EACH BUILDING IS SLATED FOR FOUR OFFICE ENTRANCES. THEORETICALLY YOU COULD TAKE OUT ONE OF THOSE DOORS AND REPLACE IT WITH A STOREFRONT AND MAKE A SMALLER SPACE. BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DIMENSION, BUT, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE DOOR WOULD SHARE THE SMALLEST ONE. BUT US AS LANDLORDS PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT MANY TIMES. YEAH. NO, I MEAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT YOUR INTENTION GOING IN. I MEAN, MY, MY CONCERN WHEN I SAW THE THE DOORS, THE ABUNDANCE OF ROLL UP DOORS IS THAT YOU KIND OF END UP WITH THE RISK OF ENDING UP WITH A HODGEPODGE OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE THOUSANDS OR MAYBE 2000 SQUARE FOOT. YEAH. TENANTS. AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T EVEN DO THAT MATH IN MY HEAD, YOU KNOW, 30 OF THEM IN THIS LITTLE SPACE THAT FEELS KIND OF TIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S AN INTERESTING PARCEL OF LAND, BUT I DO FIND MYSELF A BIT TROUBLED BY BY ALL OF THOSE ROLL UP DOORS. THANK YOU. YEAH, I CAN TURN PRETTY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. BUT YEAH, A MUCH DIFFERENT INTENT, I THINK, THAN. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THOSE DOORS AREN'T LIKE THE PARK IS NOT DESIGNED IN ANY WAY FOR SEMI-TRUCK TRAFFIC. SO DON'T RELATE THOSE DOORS TO THAT. THIS IS ALL GRADE LEVEL. SO AND WE DID NOT DESIGN THE SPACING FOR THAT TYPE OF USE AT ALL. SO THIS IS INTENDED TO BE R&D. YOU KNOW TECHNOLOGY. SOME OFFICE LIKE CIVIL ENGINEERS SOMETIMES. YOU KNOW I GUESS THE BREWERY THING WAS CROSSED OFF.
YOU SEE THAT A LOT IN PARKS LIKE THIS AS WELL. SO YOU GET A PRETTY DIVERSE RANGE OF TENANTS.
SO IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE AUTO BODY SHOPS WITH OIL STAINS EVERYWHERE.
LIKE AS LANDLORDS, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND WE'D LIKE TO GO FOR HIGHER TENANT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE FACADES AND MAKE IT A NICE LOOKING PARK, BUT THAT'S THE INTENTION. SO SPEAKING OF FACADES ARE TWO QUESTIONS. IT
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LOOKS LIKE THE MASONRY IS REALLY ONLY AT THE THE MAIN. CALL IT THE FIXED ENTRIES IF YOU WILL IT. DO WE NOT REQUIRE ANY FURTHER? I MEAN THE MAJORITY OF IT'S PAINTED TILL CORRECT TO SAY IS THAT DO WE NOT REQUIRE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF MASONRY ON ANY FACADES? LOOKING AT ANY STAFF MEMBER THAT'S WILLING TO. WE CONSIDER THE TILT WALL AS, AS MASONRY, WHEN A LOT OF TIMES IT WILL WIND UP HAVING SOME TYPE OF A FEATURE TO IT, WHETHER IT'S PAINTED OR IT'S GOT PEBBLES OR IT'S GOT THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF OF TEXTURING, ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, ENHANCED TILT WALL. I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THAT TERM BEFORE, BUT THE TILT WALL ITSELF FITS UNDER THE MASONRY REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IT IS MASONRY. IT'S CEMENT. BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE FOR DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, WE ALSO HAVE THE ARTICULATION, EXCUSE ME, IN THE FACADES AND THE AWNINGS AND THE CANOPIES AND THE DOORWAYS THEMSELVES ACTUALLY CREATE THAT TYPE OF ARTICULATION. SO IT IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER, IF YOU WILL, TO TO MEET WHAT OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE. DO I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO ASK THIS, BUT I WILL NOW I PUT MY FOOT IN MY MOUTH. DO WE DEFINE PAINTED CONCRETE AS MASONRY? BECAUSE THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT MASONRY BY ANY STANDARD DEFINITION. WELL THE, THE THE CEMENT AND ITS TILT WALL THEN IT IS MASONRY. IT MAY NOT BE BRICK AND IT MAY NOT BE ROCK OR STONE, BUT BUT IT IS MASONRY. AND SO WE DO COUNT THE THE TILT WALL AS MASONRY PRODUCT. NOW WE LIKE IT ENHANCED OR WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE TO IT OR SOMETHING, BUT WE HAVE IT ALL OVER TOWN. WE'LL TABLE THAT OPINION. SECOND, DO WE HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR ROOF SCREENING FOR ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT? YES. YOU GOT SOME PARAPETS ON THE FRONT BUT NOTHING ON THE BACK SIDE. DO WE REQUIRE. YES. OKAY. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHOW IN HERE YET BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. BUT WHATEVER GOES UP THERE IT WOULD BE. REQUIREMENTS ARE FROM PROPERTY LINES AND ADJACENT RIGHTS OKAY.NORMAL STUFF OKAY. YES, SIR. YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE'VE CONTEMPLATED ALL THAT AS WELL.
THIS LINE OF SIGHT STUDIES AND SCREENING OF ANYTHING THAT GOES UP THERE. NO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE A SCRIPT FOR THIS PART, BUT I DO HAVE MY NOTES FROM YOU.
ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT WE'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING TO THE MOTION TO OPEN THE. NO. OKAY. MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. NO MOVE. OKAY. SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AT THIS TIME WE DON'T NEED TO. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? DOESN'T APPEAR THAT WAY. SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WELL, IN CONCLUSION TO THE ZONING CASE, NOTICES WERE SENT OUT DECEMBER 5TH. NO CITIZEN RESPONSE AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW FORMALLY CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BACK TO THE COMMISSION. DO WE WANT TO DO THIS ORGANICALLY OR JUST START AT THE END? LET'S GO ORGANIC I GOTTA ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? OR DISCUSSION. NO, NO, JUST NO. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NO COMMENTS. WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR. WITH THE CHANGE OF THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT TO BE INCREASED FROM 7% TO 11.3%. OKAY. MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER LANCET. SECOND, THAT WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE COMMISSIONERS IN FAVOR OF APPROVING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, SUBJECT TO THE MOTION AS PRESENTED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. AND ANY OPPOSED. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 1 FOR APPROVAL. AND I'LL GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OR A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SPACES. THAT WILL BE MY OPPOSITION. OTHERWISE, TOTALLY FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. OH. YEAH.
[5. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting. ]
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SORRY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIRE YOU. ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND POSSIBLY DIRECT TOWN STAFF TO SCHEDULE TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING. THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS ARE PREVIOUS TOWN COUNCIL ITEMS. DECEMBER 9TH, 2025 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE FOR PROSPER OAKS ZONING CASE 20 4-0022 WAS APPROVED. 6 TO 1 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR PROSPER OAKS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT 25 0002 WAS APPROVED 6 TO 1. AS FOR FUTURE TOWN COUNCIL ITEMS, DECEMBER 23RD, 2020 2025. THERE WILL BE NO MEETING AS OF RIGHT NOW. FUTURE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ITEMS JANUARY 6TH, 2025 TO BE DETERMINED FOR CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL AS FOR THE REGULAR AGENDA. HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND NEW YEAR. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL IN 2026. AWESOME! ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER SIX ADJOURN. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNING THE MEETING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT UNANIMOUS THERE. WAY TO GO. SO WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 759.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.