Aug 05, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission

[1. Call to Order / Roll Call.]

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ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 644.

THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE TUESDAY, AUGUST 5TH, 2025.

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS CALLED ORDER AT 644.

WE HAVE FOUR COMMISSIONERS PRESENT. THREE ARE ABSENT, AND THEY LET US KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE HERE.

ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION, CITIZENS AND OTHER VISITORS ATTENDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS SHALL OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETARY DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. ANY PERSON MAKING PERSONAL IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ATTENDING OR ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION OR WHILE ATTENDING THE MEETING, SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM. IF SO, DIRECTED BY THE COMMISSION OR PRESIDING OFFICER, AND THE PERSON SHALL BE BARRED FROM FURTHER AUDIENCE BEFORE THE COMMISSION DURING THE SESSION OF THE MEETING. DISRUPTION OF A PUBLIC MEETING COULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTION 42.05 OF THE TEXAS PENAL CODE.

THOSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM LOCATED ON THE TOWN WEBSITE OR IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHEN CALLED UPON.

PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE. I DIDN'T HIT THE THING, DUDE.

I MISSED THE FIRST. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

THE CONSENT AGENDA CAN BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION.

ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR STAFF.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? 23. D3D ANY OTHERS? ALL RIGHT.

SO WE WILL PULL ITEM THREE. D IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THREE A, THREE B, THREE C, THREE E AND THREE F.

ALL RIGHT. A MOTION TO APPROVE THE OTHER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER FERRARI.

ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING TO LAUGH AT ME.

IT'S AWESOME. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ITEMS THREE A, THREE B, THREE C, THREE E, AND THREE F.

ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO. ALL RIGHT.

[3d. Consider and act upon a request for a Preliminary Site Plan for three Restaurant/Retail buildings, a Bank, a Grocery Store with an associated Convenience Store with Gas Pumps, and three Restaurants on Preston and Frontier, Block A, Lots 1-4, on 24.0± acres, located on the southeast corner of Preston Road and Frontier Parkway. (DEVPP-23-0183)]

THIS PROJECT IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR FOUR LOTS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

EXCUSE ME. SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PRESTON AND FRONTIER.

THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT NINE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON THESE FOUR LOTS FOR TOTALING 138,377.

SORRY, 733FT². AND THERE ARE A VARIETY OF USES, INCLUDING A GROCERY STORE WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE ON A LOT TWO, AS WELL AS BANK AND RESTAURANT AND RETAIL BUILDINGS ON LOT THREE AND TWO RESTAURANT RETAIL BUILDINGS ON LOT FOUR. THERE ARE SOME UNIQUE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS PLACED ON THIS ONE OF WHICH IS THAT THE DRIVE THRU RESTAURANTS ARE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, SO THAT PROCESS WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR FOR ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO PURSUE A DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT AS SHOWN ON THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.

ADDITIONALLY, THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH THE GAS PUMPS IS REQUIRED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH A GROCERY STORE, AND THAT IS DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION BEING GREATER THAN 200FT FROM THE INTERSECTION OF FRONTIER AND PRESTON.

AND THIRD, THAT THERE WILL BE A CREATION OF A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION PRIOR TO THE RECREATION OF ANY PLAT THAT WOULD SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY.

THAT IS A TYPICAL OF THESE TYPES OF PRELIMINARY SITE PLANS, THE LATTER ONE.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, AS I SAID, WITH THOSE THREE CONDITIONS, AND I CAN PULL UP ANY TYPE OF OR ANY OF THE EXHIBITS

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I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON YOUR SECOND STIPULATION, YES, THAT THE THE GROCERY STORE AND THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH THE GAS PUMPS ARE TO BE ASSOCIATED. SO IT HAS TO BE THEY BOTH HAVE TO BE THERE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. UNDER YOUR YOUR CONDITION, NOT JUST ONE OF ONE OR THE OTHER.

IT JUST HAS. THEY BOTH ARE REQUIRED. THE GROCERY STORE IS REQUIRED, REQUIRES THE THE CONVENIENCE STORE.

AND THE CONVENIENCE STORE REQUIRES THE GROCERY STORE. SO THEY WILL BE TIED TOGETHER.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON 3D? NOPE.

I GUESS MINE'S MORE OF A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.

I KNOW WE HAVEN'T NOTED THAT THE RESTAURANTS REQUIRE AN SCP.

IF THE APPLICANT WAS TO CHOOSE TO CHANGE THE USE OF THAT, WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH FOR APPROVAL FOR THAT? LET'S SAY IT'S A NON RESTAURANT, MAYBE A RETAIL OR SOMETHING OTHERWISE, OR WOULD JUST BE A PARCEL BY PARCEL.

IF YOU MEAN TO CHANGE THE WHOLE ENTIRE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.

YEAH. IN OUR, IN OUR PACKET, YOU KNOW, IT'S STAMPED SCP APPROVAL FOR RESTAURANTS, WHICH WE DISCUSSED.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS MORE OF A PROCEDURAL QUESTION IF THEY CHOSE TO NOT DO A RESTAURANT IN THOSE.

WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS BE? STAFF WOULD EVALUATE THE PROPOSED CHANGE.

IF IT'S IF THE USE IS CHANGING, IT COULD POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE FOR INSTANCE, THE OPEN SPACE OR THE PARKING LAYOUT.

SO IN THAT CASE, THOSE PROPERTIES COULD COME BACK TO YOU FOR THE RENEWED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN EVALUATION.

COULD THAT BE REVISED AT THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL? YES. THAT IS POTENTIAL THAT IT COULD. YES. OKAY.

I DON'T THINK QUESTION. OH, JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THAT POINT.

THE REQUIREMENT HERE IS FOR THE DRIVE THRU. IT'S NOT FOR THE RESTAURANT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. A RESTAURANT IS AN ALLOWED USE WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

SO IT'S JUST IF IT'S THE SUP IS REQUIRED FOR THE DRIVE THRU.

YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS ON 3D, YOU CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO A MOTION. YES. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 3D WITH STAFF'S STIPULATIONS AND THE CLARIFICATION ON ITEM TWO THAT WE DISCUSSED. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, I MADE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MA'AM. THIS ONE.

WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH COMMISSIONER FOR A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ITEM THREE D AS MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE 4 TO 0. ALL RIGHT.

[CITIZEN COMMENTS ]

HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA.

PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM AND PRESENT IT TO A STAFF MEMBER PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

WE DO HAVE ONE OF THOSE TONIGHT, SO PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

IF MULTIPLE FOLKS ARE WISH TO SPEAK ON TOPIC, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE.

YOU CAN YIELD YOUR THREE MINUTES. WE'LL FOREGO THE REST OF THAT.

SO I BELIEVE, MR. COSTA. JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY. OH, YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU? OKAY. GO AHEAD. MAY THE LIGHTS STAY ON TODAY.

GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT A SECTION 4.6.8 OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCES.

THEY MUST BE UPDATED. SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? PARDON ME. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? OF COURSE.

I'M SORRY. FRED COSTA, 260 BURNETT COURT, PROSPER, TEXAS, 75078.

THANK YOU. SECTION 4.6.8. B1 CREATES AN EXEMPTION FOR LAMP POWER RATINGS OF 75W FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, AND THAT'S GREAT IN THE 80S AND THE 60S.

BUT WE'RE IN THE 2000, 2020S RIGHT NOW, 25. IN SECTIONS 4.6.5 AND 4.6.9. THE THE RATING IS IN IN LOOMS OR FOOT

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AND THE SECOND POINT IS SECTION 4.6.8. B CREATES AN UNQUALIFIED EXEMPTION FOR MOTION ACTIVATED LIGHTING FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.

NOW, RESIDENTS CURRENTLY, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL BUILT UP ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND WE DON'T HAVE LIKE 40 ACRES BETWEEN HOUSES RIGHT NOW, THAT WAS GOOD. AND AGAIN, 1960S, 60S, BUT NOT SO GOOD TODAY.

EVEN IN 1980S THERE WAS LOTS OF SPACE BETWEEN THE HOMES.

RESIDENTS NEED THE SAME PROTECTION FROM RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS AS COMMERCIAL DWELLINGS.

SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

WE WILL MOVE TO REGULAR AGENDA NOW. UNLESS THE GUY WANTS TO TALK FOR THREE MINUTES.

STAY UP HERE. ALL RIGHT. PURSUANT TO. OKAY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR WE'LL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING

[4. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request to rezone 373.5± acres from Agricultural to a Planned Development allowing for both Single-Family and AgeRestricted Single-Family Residences, located on the south side of Parvin Road and 2,070± feet east of FM 1385. (ZONE-24-0022)]

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO REMOVE IT FROM THE TABLE AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BLANCHETTE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. HAMILTON? ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION.

OH. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF OPENING OR REMOVING FROM THE TABLE THAT PASSES 4 TO 0.

GREAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NOW YOU'RE ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, SO THE HISTORY FOR THIS ITEM AND ORIGINALLY CAME BEFORE YOU ON JUNE 17TH OF THIS YEAR.

THERE WERE SEVERAL REQUESTS MADE FROM YOU GUYS ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE AMENDED ON THE PLAN.

SO IT WAS TABLED THAT NIGHT. THE FOLLOWING MEETING ON JULY 15TH.

IT WAS TABLED AGAIN TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT ADDITIONAL TIME TO ADJUST THE PROPOSAL.

SO KIND OF A SUMMARY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU GUYS MADE AT THE FIRST MEETING.

FOR BOTH TRACKS, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PERMITTED USES.

IN THE EASTERN TRACK, THEY HAVE ELIMINATED BOTH THE GOLF COURSE AND OUR COUNTRY CLUB USE HOUSE OF WORSHIP ON THE WESTERN TRACK.

THEY HAVE ELIMINATED THOSE TWO SAME USES AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

ALSO FOR BOTH TRACKS, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF NON CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD ON BOTH THE CRAFTSMAN AND MODERN FARMHOUSE STYLE HOMES. FOR BOTH OF THOSE STYLES, THEY HAVE ADDED A MASONRY LEDGE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE FRONT FACADE.

FOR THE EASTERN TRACT. ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM LOT AREA FROM 10,000FT² TO 12 POINT 5000FT², SO THAT ALL LOTS FALL WITHIN THE SPECIFIED RANGE FOR MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WHICH IS 12.5 THOUSAND TO 20,000.

THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED AN INCLUSION OF A REQUIREMENT FOR A MINIMUM OF 10% OF ALL LOTS IN THE EASTERN TRACK TO BE AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 20,000FT².

THE FOURTH RECOMMENDATION WAS TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM DWELLING AREA FROM 1800 SQUARE FEET TO 3000FT².

THIS ONE WAS MISSED BY US, SO IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED BECAUSE IT WASN'T RELATED TO THE APPLICANT.

ON RECOMMENDATION FIVE, IT WAS TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM ENCLOSED PARKING GARAGE AREA SIZE FROM 400FT² TO 600FT².

THE APPLICANT DID ADDRESS THAT, AND THEY INCREASED THAT MINIMUM GARAGE AREA SIZE.

THE NEXT RECOMMENDATION WAS TO INCLUDE THE AMENITY AREA, POCKET PARK ON THE PORTION THAT IS NORTH OF FUTURE FRONTIER IN PARVIN ROAD.

TOWN STAFF HAS HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT REGARDING DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE EASTERN TRACT.

HOWEVER, THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS AREA HASN'T BEEN COMPLETELY FINALIZED ON THE WESTERN TRACK.

THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS WERE TO REMOVE THE LOTS THAT ARE 55FT IN WIDTH.

THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF THESE TYPE E LOTS THAT ARE 7500FT² AND 55FT IN WIDTH, FROM 225 TO 200. IN. THE LAST RECOMMENDATION WAS TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL AMENITY AREA AND WALKING DISTANCE OF HOMES ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THIS TRACT.

THERE HAS BEEN AN EXHIBIT PROVIDED TO FURTHER ILLUSTRATE THE PROPOSED AMENITY AREAS AND TRAIL FEATURES.

HOWEVER, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN STILL ONLY SHOWS ONE AMENITY AREA ON THAT WESTERN TRACT.

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THEY ADDED LANGUAGE REGARDING THE INCLUSION OF TRAIL ENHANCEMENTS TO THE ENTRANCE OF PROPOSED PRIVATE TRAILS.

THESE COULD INCLUDE BUTTERFLY GARDENS, OVERLOOKS, TRAILHEADS, TRAILWAY STATIONS, ETC.

THERE ARE EXHIBITS OF THOSE THAT I WILL GET TO LATER.

ON THE EASTERN TRACK, THEY ADDED FRISBEE DISC GOLF COURSE AS A PERMITTED INCIDENTAL USE, AND THEN ON THE WESTERN TRACK THEY ADDED FRISBEE OR DISC GOLF COURSE AND FOOD TRUCKS AS A PERMITTED AND SO INCIDENTAL USE. SO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS TO CONSTRUCT A MAXIMUM OF 800 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON 373.5 ACRES.

THE NET ACREAGE FOR THIS IS 306.3. ON THE EASTERN TRACK, THE MAXIMUM OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WILL BE 275.

THAT IS ON 180 1.8 ACRES, AND THE NET ACREAGE FOR THAT IS ONE 30.7.

ON THE WESTERN TRACK, THE MAX IS 525. AGE RESTRICTED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

THE GROSS ACREAGE IS 190 1.7 AND THE NET ACREAGE IS 170 5.6.

SO HERE IS THE PROPOSED AREA. FOR THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.

SO FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, IT RECOMMENDS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNITS ON LOTS RANGING FROM 12 POINT 5000FT² FEET TO 20,000FT². THESE NEIGHBORHOODS MAY HAVE A VARIATION OF LOT SIZES, PROVIDED THAT THE MINIMUM DENSITY ARE PROVIDED THAT THE MINIMUM, PROVIDED THAT THE DENSITY IS WITHIN 1.6 TO 2.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

SO FOR THE EASTERN TRACT, THE LOT SIZES RANGE FROM 10,000FT² TO 20,000FT².

BASED ON THAT STIPULATION, THEY ADDED, AND IT'S BROUGHT TO AN OVERALL DENSITY OF 2.1 UNITS PER ACRE FOR THIS TRACT, SO IT FALLS WITHIN THE SPECIFIED UNITS PER ACRE DENSITY.

FOR MEDIUM DENSITY. ON THE WESTERN SIDE. HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RECOMMENDS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNITS ON LOTS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN 10,000FT². AND THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TYPICALLY HAVE A GREATER DENSITY, A DENSITY GREATER THAN 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE.

THE WESTERN TRACK HAS LOT SIZES RANGING FROM SEVEN POINT 5000FT² TO 10,000FT², AND IT HAS AN OVERALL DENSITY OF 3.0 UNITS PER ACRE.

HENCE THE NEED FOR A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLANNING THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON THE WESTERN SIDE.

SO HERE'S THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. THIS ENTIRE AREA IS MEDIUM DENSITY.

CURRENTLY. THE CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL.

YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING DISTRICTS HERE. SO YOU'VE GOT JUST THE VACANT LAND HERE.

YOU'VE GOT AGRICULTURAL TO THE WEST, SALINA TO THE NORTH, WINDSONG RANCH TO THE EAST.

AND THEN SOME AGRICULTURE AS WELL TO THE SOUTH.

SO FOR THE EASTERN TRACT ON THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SECTION THE BASE ZONING, THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LOT TYPES THAT THEY ZONING FOR THE TYPE A LOTS WILL BE THE SINGLE FAMILY 12.5 DISTRICT STANDARDS. TYPE B LOTS WILL BE DEVELOPED TO THE SINGLE FAMILY TEN DISTRICT STANDARDS.

TYPE A LOTS WILL HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 12 POINT 5000FT², AND THE DIMENSIONS WILL BE 80FT IN WIDTH, 135FT IN DEPTH. THOSE ARE BOTH MINIMUMS. AND THEN FOR TYPE B LOTS THE MINIMUM LOT AREA WILL BE 10,000FT².

THE MINIMUM WIDTH WILL BE 75IN. THE MINIMUM DEATH WILL BE 125.

THE MAXIMUM LOT COUNT FOR THIS AREA IS 275. OF THESE 275 LOTS, A MINIMUM OF THEM HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED TO THE TYPE A STANDARD.

AND THEN OF THESE 275 LOTS AND MINIMUM 10% OF THESE HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 20,000FT².

SO HERE ARE THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS. NOTHING WAS REALLY CHANGED EXCEPT FOR THIS NUMBER RIGHT HERE.

IT'S NOW INCREASED TO 600FT² INSTEAD OF 400FT² FOR THE GARAGE AREA.

SO THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES BY RIGHT CURRENTLY ON THIS SIDE.

THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES CONTINUED. THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES BY SGP.

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE OPEN SPACE FOR THIS AREA.

A MINIMUM OF 30 ACRES IS REQUIRED. CAN BE NONCONTIGUOUS.

EACH AREA HAS TO BE AT LEAST 10,000FT² AND A MINIMUM OF 40FT IN WIDTH.

FOR THESE AMENITIES, THEY WILL HAVE A RESIDENT AMENITY AREA.

THIS WILL BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CEO FOR THE 138TH HOME OF THE 275, WHICH IS HALFWAY THROUGH FOR THE POCKET PARK WITH THE PLAYGROUND AND THE OTHER THREE AMENITIES. CURRENTLY THE STANDARD STATE THAT THEY WILL BE PROVIDED AT THE END OF THE PHASE THAT IT'S LOCATED IN.

THESE ARE THE LISTED AMENITIES FOR THE EASTERN SIDE.

THEY HAVE TO DO A MINIMUM OF THREE OF THESE. AND HERE ARE KIND OF SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT COULD BE PROVIDED IN THE EASTERN SIDE.

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THE DIFFERENT LOT TYPES, THE TOP TYPE C WILL BE A MINIMUM LOT AREA OF 10,000FT².

THAT IS AT LEAST 75FT IN WIDTH, 125FT IN DEPTH TYPE D THAT ARE 8800FT², A MINIMUM OF 65FT IN WIDTH AND 125FT IN DEPTH. AND THEN TYPE E LOTS THAT ARE 7.5 THOUSAND WITH THE MINIMUM WIDTH OF 55 AND A MINIMUM DEPTH OF 125. THE MAXIMUM LOT COUNT FOR THIS AREA IS 525 LOTS, A MINIMUM OF THESE 525 LOTS, AT LEAST 100 OF THEM HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED TO THE TYPE C STANDARD AND ONLY A MAXIMUM OF 200 OF TYPE E LOTS CAN BE PROVIDED OUT OF THESE 525 THESE ARE THE DISTRICT STANDARDS. THESE WERE UNCHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL.

THESE ARE THE ALLOWED USES BY RIGHT IN THIS TRACT.

THESE ARE ALLOWED USES CONTINUED. THESE ARE THE ALLOWED USES BY SUPP.

AGAIN THE CONCEPT PLAN. THIS IS THE STREET SECTION FOR THE TYPE ARE THE WESTERN SIDE FOR OPEN SPACE AND AMENITIES ON THE SIDE. A MINIMUM OF 20 ACRES IS REQUIRED.

CAN BE NONCONTIGUOUS. EACH AREA HAS TO BE AT LEAST 10,000FT² AND HAVE A MINIMUM 40FT IN WIDTH.

FOR THE AMENITIES, THE AMENITY CENTER CLUBHOUSE SHALL BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CO FOR THE 263RD HOME.

OUT OF 525, WHICH IS A ROUGHLY 50%. AND THEN THE SWIMMING POOL IS SHADE STRUCTURES AND THE OTHER THREE AMENITIES SHALL BE COMPLETED AT THE END OF THE PHASE THAT THEY ARE LOCATED IN. AND THEN THE LISTED THREE AMENITIES, AT LEAST THREE OF THESE AMENITIES HAVE TO BE PROVIDED ON THE WESTERN SIDE.

AGAIN HERE I'M JUST MORE EXAMPLES OF THESE.

ALL RIGHT. SO FOR BOTH SECTIONS THESE ARE THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND THE PERMITTED MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR EACH OF THESE HOME STYLES.

THE BUILDING DESIGN. THE EXTERIOR FACADE OF THE MAIN BUILDING OR STRUCTURE EXCLUDING GLAZING, SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED OF 100% MASONRY ON THE FRONT FACADE.

CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD MAY CONSTITUTE UP TO 50% OF THE AREA.

FOR STORIES OTHER THAN THE FIRST STORY. ALSO, CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD MAY BE USED AS A FACADE CLADDING MATERIAL FOR PORTIONS OF UPPER STORIES THAT ARE IN THE SAME VERTICAL PLANE AS THE FIRST STORY, AND ON THE SIDE AND REAR FACADE.

CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD MAY CONSTITUTE UP TO 20% OF ALL STORIES.

ADDITIONALLY, ANY PORTION OF AN UPPER STORY, EXCLUDING GLAZING THAT FACES PUBLIC OR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PARKS, OR HIKING BIKE TRAILS SHALL BE 100% MASONRY AND MAY BE COMPRISED OF CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD.

THE EXTERIOR CLADDING OF CHIMNEYS SHALL BE BRICK, NATURAL OR MANUFACTURED.

STONE OR STUCCO ON THE CRAFTSMAN AND MODERN FARMHOUSE STYLE HOMES.

CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD MAY CONSTITUTE UP TO 80% OF THE AREA FOR STORIES OTHER THAN THE FIRST STORY, AND THEN LASTLY, CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD MAY BE USED FOR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE BELOW. FOR THE ROOFING THE MATERIALS.

ROOF MATERIAL SHALL CONSIST OF STANDING SEAM COPPER, STANDING SEAM METAL, NATURAL SLATE SHINGLES, AND IMITATION SLATE, SINGLE SHINGLES, CEMENTITIOUS TILE OR COMPOSITION, 30 YEAR LAMINATED SHINGLES OR OTHER MATERIALS AS APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE PITCH. MAIN BUILDINGS. MAIN RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES HAVE A MINIMUM SLOPE OF SIX BY 12.

ACCESSORY BUILDINGS CAN HAVE A MINIMUM SLOPE OF 1.25 BY 12.

FOR THE ENTRIES AND DRIVEWAYS. ALL HOMES SHALL HAVE COVERED PORCH, STOOP OR PORTICO AT THE MAIN FRONT ENTRY, AND THEN ALL DRIVEWAY SHALL BE FINISHED. CONCRETE SALT FINISHED CONCRETE STAIN PATTERN CONCRETE OR HAVE BRICK STONE PAVERS.

HOWEVER, HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE THE DIFFERENT HOME STYLES WOULD LOOK LIKE.

FOR SCREENING AND FENCING. ADJACENT TO THOROUGHFARES, A MINIMUM OF 50% OF ORNAMENTAL ORNAMENTAL METAL FENCING ADJACENT TO PARVIN ROAD OR FRONTIER PARKWAY IS REQUIRED ADJACENT TO OPEN SPACE.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE DECORATIVE METAL FENCING AND ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOARD ON BOARD FENCING FOR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS SIX FOOT HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS WILL BE PROVIDED ALONG PARVIN FRONTIER AND DELL BRANCH.

THEY WILL CONNECT TO EXISTING HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS FOR WINDSONG RANCH.

AND THEN TRAIL ENHANCEMENTS. JUST TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, SUCH AS BUTTERFLY GARDENS, OVERLOOKS, TRAILHEADS, ETC. WILL BE PROVIDED AT THE ENTRANCES OF PRIVATE COMMUNITY TRAILS.

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SO THESE ARE. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING HERE.

AND THEN THESE ORANGE ONES ARE THE EXISTING ONES.

AND WINDSONG. AND HERE KIND OF EXAMPLES OF THE BUTTERFLY GARDENS AND OVERLOOKS AND KIND OF THE ENTRY FEATURES OF THE TRAILS. FOR NOTICING IN THIS CASE WAS NOTICED FRIDAY, JUNE 6TH PRIOR TO THE FIRST TIME THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA.

WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THIS CASE.

THEY ARE BOTH INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. TOWN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS CASE.

IF THERE IS A MOTION ON THIS ITEM, IT WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING ON AUGUST 26TH.

AND THAT IS. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH ITEM FIVE OR JUST STICK ON ITEM FOUR? SINCE THERE COMPANION ITEMS, I HAVE NO PREFERENCE.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT TO. WANT THEM TO GO AND RUN THROUGH IT PRETTY GOOD WITH THAT.

YEAH. GO AHEAD, GO THROUGH ITEM FIVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

[5. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request to amend the Future Land Use Plan from Medium Density Residential to High Density Residential, on 191.7± acres, located on the south side of Parvin Road and 2,070± feet east of FM 1385. (COMP-24-0002)]

IT'S A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

HISTORY IS THE SAME. IT WAS TABLED THOSE TWO MEETINGS.

SO THE REASON WHY IT'S REQUIRED IS THAT CURRENTLY THEY WANT TO BUILD 525 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON A NET ACREAGE OF 175.6 NET ACRES. AND THIS ENDS UP AT AN OVERALL DENSITY OF THREE UNITS PER ACRE.

AND THE WESTERN SIDE IS ALL OF THIS LAND HERE WITH THE STRIPING THERE.

CURRENTLY, THEY'RE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH REQUIRES THE DENSITY HAS TO BE SPECIFIED WITHIN 1.6 TO 2.5 UNIT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. EXCUSE ME. THE CURRENT PROPOSAL DOESN'T MEET THAT.

IT'S AT THREE. SO THEY HAVE TO MODIFY THE COMP PLAN AND TO GO TO HIGH DENSITY, WHICH ALLOWS NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE A DENSITY GREATER THAN 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE.

HERE'S THE FUTURE LAND USE EXHIBIT AGAIN FOR THESE TYPE OF AMENDMENTS.

THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL SHOULD LOOK AT A CERTAIN CRITERIA FOR THESE.

SO THESE ARE THE CERTAIN CRITERIA. THE PROPOSED CHANGE ENHANCE THE SITE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.

YOU CAN READ KIND OF THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO THAT.

AND I'LL KIND OF JUST SCROLL THROUGH SLOWLY SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE RESPONSES TO EACH ONE OF THESE CRITERIA.

LET ME KNOW IF I GO TOO FAST. SO THE SECOND CRITERIA IS THAT IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE OF BETTER USE THAN THAT ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED AND DEPICTED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

THAT'S JUST THEIR RESPONSE.

FOR THE THIRD ONE, WILL THE PROPOSED USE IMPACT ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN A NEGATIVE MANNER? THIS ONE WAS NOT RESPONDED TO THE FOURTH CRITERIA.

WILL THE PROPOSED USE BE COMPATIBLE WITH AND OR ENHANCE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES? THIS IS THE RESPONSE TO THAT.

THE FIFTH CRITERIA IS THAT OUR USE IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED USE, SIMILAR IN NATURE IN TERMS OF APPEARANCE, HOURS OF OPERATION, AND OTHER GENERAL ASPECTS OF COMPATIBILITY.

THE SIX CRITERIA. DOES THE PROPOSED USE PRESENT A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE AND OR SOCIAL WELL-BEING OF THE COMMUNITY? AND THE LAST CRITERIA WAS THAT WOULD IT CONTRIBUTE TO THE TOWN'S LONG TERM ECONOMIC STABILITY? AND THIS WAS NOT ANSWERED. HERE'S AN EXHIBIT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT.

YOU CAN SEE THE WEST SIDE IS HIGHLIGHTED. SO TOWN STAFF ARE RECOMMENDATION.

WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL IF THE ZONING CASE IS APPROVED.

IF THE ZONING CASE IS RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL, THEN TOWN STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT BE RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL.

ALSO IF THERE'S A MOTION ON THIS ITEM THAT'S NOT THE TABLE.

THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR THIS WILL BE TUESDAY, AUGUST 26TH.

AND THAT IS EVERYTHING. SO I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.

THE DEVELOPER IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ASK ME QUESTIONS FIRST OR ASK THE DEVELOPER QUESTIONS,

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CURRY. I GUESS PROCEDURALLY, CAN WE DO WE HAVE TO MOTION VOTE, ETC.

ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM SINCE THEY'RE BOTH REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS? YES. OKAY. I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU A MOTION FOR EACH ITEM.

OKAY. PERFECT. SO WE'LL FOCUS ON ITEM FOUR FOR NOW.

AND ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF.

NO, I THINK WE I THINK WE'RE GOING. YEAH I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

I'M OUT OF BREATH ANYWAY SO. THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD FOR PRESENTATION, BE GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING BACK. WHENEVER YOU GET STARTED, IF YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COMMISSION, MIKE BOSWELL, TOLL BROTHERS 2555 SOUTHWEST GRAPEVINE PARKWAY, GRAPEVINE, TEXAS 76051. GREAT TO BE BACK WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON.

SORRY. JUST KIND OF RUN THROUGH THIS VERY QUICKLY.

WHOA. THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE COMP PLAN.

AGAIN, WE'RE STARTING ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER WHERE THE STAR IS FOR THE SITE IT'S LOCATED BASICALLY JUST SOUTH EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF PARVIN ROAD IN 1385.

AS YOU GO FROM THE WEST, YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE WC ID THAT'S THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF 13.

YOU THEN COME ACROSS AND EFFECTIVELY YOU ROLL INTO SOME COMMERCIAL BUSINESS PARK AREA THERE.

YOU THEN HAVE HIGH DENSITY, AND THEN THIS TRACK IS SEPARATED FROM THAT BY WAY OF A BRAZOS OVERHEAD POWER LINE.

YOU THEN ROLL GOING FURTHER EAST INTO THE MARKET RATE SECTION THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN ON INTO THE WINDSONG RANCH PD.

AGAIN, WE'VE KIND OF DIVIDED THIS INTO TWO, THE EAST AND WEST SIDE.

I WON'T REALLY BELABOR THE POINT. DAKARI DID A GREAT JOB.

THE REQUEST BASICALLY FOLLOWS SENIOR HOUSING, WHICH, AGAIN, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN ADULT ACTIVE ADULT ON THE WEST SIDE FOR A MARKET RATE ON THE EAST SIDE. MOVING INTO THE WEST SIDE.

THE LAND PLAN HASN'T CHANGED. YOU WOULDN'T REALLY NOTICE IT THAT MUCH FROM FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT.

THE CURRENT LOT FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS 700 746 LOTS.

THE CAP I THINK WE'VE GOT ON THERE IS 800. THE BASIC ACREAGE IS IT'S BROKEN OUT ON THE WEST SIDE IS 191.7 LOT. THIS THING IS LIKE TAKING OVER ITSELF.

IS THERE A WAY TO OPEN THIS IN, LIKE, A REGULAR PDF INSTEAD OF HAVING IT ONLINE? IT'S LIKE. ALL RIGHT. THAT HOPEFULLY THAT KEEPS THE TRACK BALL READY.

ANYWAY, AS YOU ROLL THROUGH THE WEST SIDE IS THE PART THAT WE'RE CALLING THE ACTIVE ADULT.

AGAIN, WE SEE THIS AS PART OF THE THE TSUNAMI THAT YOU GUYS HAVE COMING OF THE OLDER, THE OLDER GROUP OF CROWD, YOU BASICALLY HAVE THE 55 PLUS CROWD. YOU SEE THIS TSUNAMI COMING THROUGH HERE? IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN PROSPER VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER MARKETS IN THIS AREA.

MOVING ON. YOU CAN COMPARE THIS TO MCKINNEY AND SALINA AND PROSPER.

AND OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FROM 2025 TO 2030 A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN THAT CROWD.

YOU ALSO SEE THAT THE FOLKS THAT MAKE THE $100,000 AND MORE IS ALSO HIGHER THAN YOUR COMPETING MARKETS.

WITH THAT SAID, THOSE FOLKS HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE.

THEY'RE GOING TO EITHER AGE IN PLACE WITH THEIR CURRENT STOCK, OR THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION TO MOVE.

WHERE WE SEE THE BAND IN THE MARKET TODAY IS BASED ON THIS, AND THAT 55 PRODUCT IS MADE TO SERVE THAT 72%.

AND THEN WHEN YOU ADD THE 65 PRODUCT, YOU'RE BASICALLY SERVING 85% OF IT.

THAT GROUP OF FOLKS, THEY'RE ONE OF ONE OF 2 OR 3 BEDROOM HOUSE THAT CAPTURES YOUR TOTAL 85% OF THAT MARKET.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO STAY DOWN THAT BAND. AS IT TURNS OUT, WITH THE REGENCY PRODUCT, I THINK THAT TOLL DOES A BETTER JOB NATIONALLY THAN JUST ABOUT

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THEY'RE OUT OF FLORIDA. THEY HAVE NOT MADE THEIR WAY TO TEXAS YET, BUT THEY ARE A LUXURY ACTIVE ADULT DEVELOPER, VERY ACTIVE IN FLORIDA AND OTHER STATES ON THE EAST COAST.

TO SATISFY THAT, WE ARE PLANNING TO STAY WITH A SINGLE MASSIVE AMENITY CENTER.

LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I DESCRIBED IT AS THE GRAVITY THEORY OF LAND PLANNING.

TO GIVE YOU A MORE CONTEXTUAL EXAMPLE. BUCKY'S IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU WILL HAVE A MEGA CENTER HERE WHERE YOU HAVE A LIFESTYLE DIRECTOR, YOU'LL HAVE THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING USE, WHERE PHYSICAL THERAPISTS CAN COME IN AND ACTIVELY WORK WITH THE LOCAL RESIDENTS IN THAT SPACE. ALTERNATIVELY, THEY CAN ALSO STORE ITEMS. THEY'RE NEEDED IN PHYSICAL THERAPY IN ORDER TO GO TO THEIR HOMES AS NEEDED.

WE ALSO HAVE AN EXTENSIVE OPEN AREA FOR THEM TO HAVE MULTIPLE EVENTS, CATERING EVENTS AND DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY WILL ACT FOR. THE QUESTION WAS, CAN WE ADD AN AMENITY CENTER? WE TOOK THAT TO OUR STEERING COMMITTEE. THEY DID NOT LIKE THAT IDEA.

THE THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY HAD WAS WE HAVE WAITING LISTS FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE NEAR THE AMENITY CENTER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A WAITING LIST FOR PEOPLE FOR HOMES NEAR THE AMENITY CENTER.

SO THE IDEA HERE IS PEOPLE WANT ACCESS TO THE AMENITY CENTER BECAUSE OF WHAT IT BRINGS IN OFFERS.

THEY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO IT.

SO WE HAVE TO TAKE CAREFUL EFFORTS TO SCREEN IT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO A NICE POOL OLYMPIC POOL.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY NECESSARILY WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO IT.

WITH THAT SAID, THERE'S ALSO THE WAY THAT THE AMENITIES ARE PROGRAMED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORT THIS AND IS HOW THEY HOW THEY REALLY LIKE TO PLAN THESE.

AGAIN, THE PICTURES THAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME ARE THESE ARE UNCHANGED.

THESE ARE PHOTOS THAT WERE TAKEN FROM OUR COMMUNITY IN FLORIDA.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE BASICALLY MODELING OUR DEVELOPMENT OVER.

AGAIN, I THINK THAT TOLL BROTHERS DOES THIS TOP NOTCH ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THIS WILL BE MY THIRD COMMUNITY. WITH TOLD TO BUILD ONE OF THESE IS NOT THE NOT THE THIRD AMENITY CENTER I'VE BUILT.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE LIFESTYLES THAT WE MARKET AS REGENCY.

WE MARKETED ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS THIS. AS I SAID EARLIER, WE DO HAVE A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT HELPS US GUIDE AND DEVELOP THESE THINGS AND HOW THEY'RE LAID OUT. ANOTHER NUANCE. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LOT.

IS THIS IDEA THAT THE CITY OF THE TOWN OF PROSPER HAS THIS ARTICULATING SETBACK? WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO IT THAT WAY BECAUSE WE WANT THE DRIVEWAYS TO BE FLATTER.

WE WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO WORK THROUGH THE GREAT ISSUES.

AND THE EASIER WAY TO DO THAT AND TO MAINTAIN FLAT DRIVEWAYS, A FLATTER PROFILE IS TO BASICALLY STAGGER THE PRODUCT.

AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE TO THE ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY, WHERE YOU'LL HAVE THE PRODUCT INTERMIXED.

AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY ALL GRADED TOWARDS IT'S JUST A SIMPLE ALGEBRA PROBLEM.

THE KEY CHANGES TO CARRY WENT WENT THROUGH. AGAIN WE ARE CAPPING THE 55 PRODUCT.

WE THINK THAT THAT'S HITTING THE MARKET BAN THAT IS NEEDED.

WE'VE REDUCED IT FROM 200. THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN ACTUALLY HAS LESS THAN THAT.

I THINK IT'S LIKE 196 OR 197. AGAIN, IT SERVES AS A BUFFER UP AGAINST THE RETAIL AND THE STUFF ALONG 1385 AS WELL AS THE WCI, ID ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS A MUCH DENSER PRODUCT ALTOGETHER.

AND THEN WE'VE ALSO ADDED SOME INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES.

AGAIN, THOSE ARE IMAGES TAKEN FROM TOLL COMMUNITIES.

THOSE ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD TAKE LIGHTLY.

AN EXAMPLE I WAS LOOKING AT EARLIER TODAY WAS A PARK THAT WE DID IN DICKSON ESTATES IN FLOWER MOUND.

BASICALLY, IF YOU TOOK THE DRAWING THAT WE PRESENTED AT PNC AND AT COUNSEL AND AT THE PARKS BOARD, IT LOOKS JUST LIKE WHAT WE HAD DESCRIBED IT. AGAIN, THE WAY THAT WE'RE PLANNING THIS IS YOU KNOW, WE WANT THESE BUFFER AREAS TO BE ALONG THE BRAZOS LINE.

IT IS NOT A SMALL FACILITY. IT'S ALL ALL UP THE CENTER OF THE SOUTHERN END, AND THEN IT CARRIES ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH.

WE ALSO WENT THROUGH AND CONFIRMED THE AMENITY, AND HOW WE HAD IT PROGRAMED IS HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AS AS SHOWN ON THE PLAN EARLIER, WE'RE JUST GOING TO AGAIN DO THE BUCKY'S MODEL FOR THE AMENITY CENTER.

WE ALSO DID GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR MARKET DATA SUPPORTING THE NEED FOR ACTIVE ADULT, AND WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT THAT IS NEEDED HERE.

WE THINK THAT THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT HAVE UNDERPERFORMED OVER TIME, IT'S LARGELY AN EXECUTION ISSUE.

WE ALSO WENT THROUGH AND VETTED THE ALLOWED USES AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

I THINK THERE WAS SOME MISCOMMUNICATION ON OUR PART AS TO WHETHER THE AMENITIES AS PRESENTED WOULD TRIGGER A COUNTRY CLUB FEEL OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

SO WE PULLED THAT OUT. AND THEN ALSO WE'VE GONE BACK TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.

AND EFFECTIVELY THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL MODERN FARMHOUSE.

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SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID ON THE WEST SIDE.

MOVING TO THE EAST SIDE. WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND LOOKED AT OUR LOT MIX.

ODDLY ENOUGH, THE LAYOUT THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS PAGE ALREADY HAS THIS, BUT EFFECTIVELY WE WENT THROUGH AND RETOOLED IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND SO THE CURRENT LOT PLAN SHOWS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 10,000, WELL OVER 10,000FT².

OUR AVERAGE IS OVER THE MINIMUM OF THE NEXT LOT SIZE.

AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE LOTS THAT RANGE FROM 20,000 TO UP TO 26,000FT².

AND WE HAVE TWO MORE THAN ARE REQUIRED. JUST BY WAY OF HOW IT'S LAID OUT.

THE CURRENT PLAN SHOWS WE EXCEED THE 10% THAT WE'RE STIPULATING IN THE PD.

WE'VE ALSO AGAIN ADDED THE INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES.

AGAIN, I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A TALKING POINT, BUT IT IS NOW PART I THINK IT'S EXHIBIT H IN THE, IN THE PD THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED TO IT. AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF CONCEPT PLANS ON THE EAST SIDE AS TO HOW THAT WORKS.

AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE ALLOWED USES.

THE THE EXHIBIT EXHIBIT F IS THERE. AND THEN WE UPDATED THE GARAGE MINIMUMS TO 600 TO THE CARS POINT EARLIER.

THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT SOME LOT SIZES ON THE EAST SIDE.

IT'S NOT MUCH OF AN ISSUE, BUT THE 3000 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH I THINK WE ALL KIND OF MISSED AND FORGOT ABOUT.

THAT IS THAT'S ACCEPTABLE? THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM THERE.

AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THE BAND HERE WITH WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF STARTS AND CLOSING.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THOSE, AND WE DO THAT A LOT WITH THE MARKET RATE.

WE TEND TO MAKE THOSE A LITTLE DIFFERENT RATIO.

WHEREAS ON THE EAST SIDE WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK THOSE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. AGAIN YOU'VE GOT THREE LOT SIZES ON ON THE MARKET ON THE I'M SORRY, TWO LOT SIZES ON THE MARKET RATE, THREE LOT SIZES ON THE ACTIVE ADULT SIDE.

AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING TO CAPTURE THE MIDDLE OF THIS BAND RIGHT HERE.

AND THIS IS DATA FROM RSI AS OF TODAY. AGAIN ON THE EAST SIDE IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF AMENITY CENTER.

IT'S MORE OF AN OPEN AIR WITH A GATHERING SPOT.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY COME UP WITH FOR IT.

SO THEN AGAIN, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES.

AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK TWO OF THESE AREAS AND ONE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A VERY LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY ON ONE PAPER LAYOUT.

IT'S VERY TWO DIMENSIONAL. IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW THE SIZE AND SCALE OF IT.

IN FACT, IF YOU WERE TO GET ON AN OWNER WITH AN OWNER AND DRIVE THE SITE WITH THEM ON THEIR MULE, IT WOULD TAKE YOU THE LARGER PART OF A DAY TO GO OVER THIS ENTIRE SITE.

SO WHAT WE DID IS WE JUST WORKED WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE TEAM AND TOOK ONE AREA AND DEVELOPED IT QUITE A BIT.

HERE'S OUR ENTRY AREA. WE WOULD TAKE THIS AREA AND TRY TO MAKE IT PART OF AN AMENITY, MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

GO THROUGH. WE HAVE A SMALL POND CROSSING HERE TO GIVE IT SOME KIND OF A WALKWAY FEEL.

WE ALSO HAVE A PIER ADDED OVER HERE. WE HAVE A GATHERING AREA HERE.

WE'VE GOT A COVERED PAVILION AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE HERE.

AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A SIX OVER SIX ACRE PARK HERE.

THIS IS OVER A FIVE ACRE PARK HERE, AND WE'VE PARCELED IN OR PLACED IN THERE A SMALL PARK AREA.

AND YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THOSE BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO BE WELL LIT.

YOU WANT THEM TO BE ACCESSIBLE. YOU KNOW, ANYBODY HERE THAT'S A PARENT UNDERSTANDS THIS CONCEPT THAT PARENTS HAVE, THAT THEY PUSH THEMSELVES INTO THE DARK CORNERS SO THAT THE THE KIDS ARE SAFE.

AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THESE ARE VISIBLE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE SAFE AND NOT SECLUDED.

WE ALSO TOOK A PARK AREA TO THE NORTH AND TRIED TO WORK THROUGH WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THIS IS NOT A VERY BIG PARK AT ALL. I MEAN, IT'S A HALF AN ACRE PARK.

WE'VE ADDED A SIDEWALK IN HERE, SOME SHADE STRUCTURE.

WE'VE ADDED SOME PLAY AREAS HERE FOR THE KIDS THERE.

THESE SMALL AREAS ARE REALLY ONLY LIMITED BY YOUR IMAGINATION AND HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WANT TO SPEND ON THEM.

YOU CAN MAKE THEM VERY MEANINGFUL. A SIMILAR PARK TO THIS IS ONE AGAIN I MENTIONED EARLIER, DIXON PARK, DIXON ESTATES RATHER. SO THIS WAS A SMALL AREA.

I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY HALF AN ACRE AND WHAT YOU END UP WITH AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS A PICTURE THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP REAL WELL HERE, BUT EFFECTIVELY IT'S A SMALL AREA HERE. YOU'VE GOT SEATING, YOU'VE GOT A SMALL PLAY FACILITY HERE.

IN THIS CASE, WE DID NOT OPT FOR ANY KIND OF A SHADE PAVILION, BUT THIS IS ALL FIT WITHIN THAT HALF ACRE FOOTPRINT.

THE OTHER QUESTION CAME UP ON HOW WOULD THESE TRAILS BE RUN? SO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF STRATEGIC ISSUES HERE? ONE IS AND YOU CAN'T HARDLY SEE IT, BUT THERE'S A THERE'S A YORK BRIDGE OVER HERE.

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SO WE'VE GOT ONE, WE'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR CROSSINGS ON THIS SIDE.

SO THESE ARE SMALL. I'M TRYING TO GIVE SCALE TO THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW BIG DOE BRANCH IS.

AGAIN DOE BRANCH IS A MAJOR REGIONAL TRIBUTARY THAT DRAINS A GOOD CHUNK OF COLLIN COUNTY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LAKE LEWISVILLE.

IT CROSSES MANY JURISDICTIONS. IT'S ALSO THE SEEM THAT MOST LIKELY IN THE FUTURE OF THE VILLA TRAIL WILL COME THROUGH.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'LL CALL IT UP HERE. RIGHT? THE BIG ONE FROM AUSTIN.

ALL THE WAY. ANYWAY, LONG AND SHORT. IT'S A BIG ONE.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS WE'VE MAINTAINED THIS 12 FOOT TRAIL COMING THROUGH HERE.

WE HAVE OFFERED A ONE CROSSING ACROSS HERE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

THIS IS GOING TO LOOK MORE LIKE A BRIDGE THAN A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE ENGINEERING DESIGN AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER COMING THROUGH HERE.

SO THE IDEA WILL BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A YORK BRIDGE ON THESE SMALLER TRAILS, AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THIS 12 FOOT TRAIL, WHICH THIS IS WHAT THIS IS, THIS WAS BUILT IN FAIRVIEW BACK IN 2016, I BELIEVE, WAS WHEN I DID THIS ONE.

AND THAT ONE WILL FOLLOW THAT IT YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY FOLLOWING YOU KNOW, THE LOGIC.

I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GIVE DEVELOPERS CREDIT FOR THESE MAJOR TRIBUTARIES, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THE CITY FATHERS HERE AND MOTHERS HAVE CAUGHT THAT IN SO MUCH AS ONE.

THEY WANT THESE TRAILS AND THEY'VE SHOWN THEM ON THE MASTER PLAN.

THEY'VE ALSO ADDED, BY WAY OF ORDINANCE, THIS 6040 RULE WHERE YOU HAVE HOMES OVERLOOKING IT.

AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'VE GOT THIS DRAINAGE FEATURE THAT'S BUILT INTO HOW DRAINAGE IS HANDLED THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, BUILT INTO HOW DOE BRANCH WORKS BY DRAINING ALL THE WAY TO LAKE LEWISVILLE.

I MEAN, THIS IS IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THAT YOU DON'T COUNT IT.

IT'S JUST THAT IT'S PART OF A BIGGER SOLUTION TO TRY TO ACTIVATE THOSE AREAS.

THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES WHY? WELL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I'D STILL DO THIS, BUT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT REALM OF NORTH TEXAS, YOU HAD THIS PITTED BATTLE BETWEEN ACTIVE VERSUS PASSIVE CONSERVATION AREAS.

SO YOU HAD CONNEMARA, WHO WANTED ZERO INPUT. THEY WANTED PEOPLE TO STAY OUT.

THEY WOULD FIND YOU RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY IF YOU EVER STEPPED IN IT.

THEY IT WAS IT WAS INSANE. AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS YOU HAD THAT ONE AND THEN YOU HAD MITIGATION FUTURES AND THEN YOU HAD ANOTHER BANK.

I THINK IT WAS TRINITY AMERICA THAT BASICALLY HAD VERY PITTED DIFFERENT VIEWS.

AND SO THE DIFFERENT VIEWS HAD TO WE WANT PEOPLE TO INTERACT WITH THIS.

SO WE WANT PEOPLE TO EXPERIENCE IT. WE WANT PEOPLE TO WALK IT EVERY DAY.

IT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT.

IF THEY SEE A PIECE OF TRASH, THEY'RE GOING TO PICK IT UP.

AND IF WE PUT THE TRASH STATIONS THROUGH THERE, THEY'LL PICK IT UP AND DISPOSE OF IT.

WE CAN THEN ASSIGN PORTER SERVICE THROUGH THE HOA TO HELP WITH THAT.

I THINK I THINK THERE WAS A DEFINITIVE WINNER IN THAT, BECAUSE CON AMERICA EVENTUALLY WENT BANKRUPT BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY COULDN'T HAVE PEOPLE USING IT. I MEAN, IT EXCLUDED PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOME BEAUTIFUL CONSERVATION AREA, BUT OVER TIME, NO ONE USED IT AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY LEVEL OF OWNERSHIP WITH IT.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THESE AREAS NOT BE COMPLETELY DISMISSED AND THEY BE UNDERSTANDING THEIR LARGER REGIONAL SIGNIFICANCE.

INCLUDED IN THE BACK OF OUR THING, WE WENT BACK TO OUR DRAWING BOARD AND WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT WE'VE TOUCHED IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. SOME OF THEM ARE ACTIVE ADULTS. SOME OF THEM ARE NOT.

WE WANTED TO ADD THESE. SO THESE THESE HOW WE WOULD APPROACH IT ARE PICTURES OF TALL DEVELOPMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND WE ADDED THESE AS WHAT WE WOULD TRY TO DO WITH THESE DIFFERENT POCKET PARK AREAS AS WE DEVELOP THEM OUT.

AGAIN. EARLIER TONIGHT I SHOWED YOU TWO EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE WOULD DO IN TWO SMALLER AREAS, BUT THIS IS KIND OF HOW WE WOULD PROGRAM THIS THROUGH.

SO WITH OUR PAVILIONS AND PERGOLAS, WITH OUR BOCCE COURTS, WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO THOSE MORE CLOSE TO THE AMENITY CENTER, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT.

WITH OUR AMPHITHEATERS, THIS IS SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT PEOPLE CAN USE.

AGAIN, HAVING DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE ON THESE THINGS, BECAUSE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY ARE IN THE WORLD.

AND IT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS A SMALL SIGN LIKE THIS, OR A SMALL STONE MONUMENT.

CREATING TRAILHEADS WHERE YOUNG KIDS CAN PLAY.

ALSO, THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE USED MORE ON THE ACTIVE ADULT SIDE, WHERE THEY'RE PREPARING TO RUN OR TO DO YOGA.

AGAIN, THIS IS A MORE SIMPLE, MUTED AREA. ANOTHER TRAILHEAD, TRAILHEAD AND GATHERING SPOT.

WE ALSO HAVE GARDENS AND PLACES. THIS IS A BOCCE AND GARDEN AND THEN DOG PARKS.

I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF DOG PARKS PERSONALLY. AND THEN SOME OF THESE EVENT LINES AND YOGA.

YOGA LINES. AND THEN AGAIN GATHERING SPOT PUTT PUTT AREAS.

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YOU KNOW, THESE ARE AREAS THAT IN THE SPRING WE WANT TO HELP WITH THE THE WHOLE BEE SITUATION.

YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR ABOUT COLONY COLLAPSE DISORDER. IT'S STUFF LIKE THIS THAT HELPS.

AND THEN AGAIN, IT CAN BE AS YOU'RE LIMITED ONLY BY YOUR IMAGINATION.

AND THEN WE ALSO TRY TO HAVE THE CATERING OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CREATE SMALL BIB AREAS WHERE PEOPLE CAN PULL UP WITH THEIR TRUCKS.

AND THE LIFESTYLE DIRECTOR CAN CREATE AN EVENT FOR EITHER THE ACTIVE ADULT OR FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

THEY CAN COME IN, BRING THE FOOD TRUCKS IN. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLUG IN.

THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET WATER AND ELECTRICITY AS NEEDED.

MANY TIMES THEY PROVIDE THEIR OWN, BUT A LOT OF TIMES WE ALSO PROVIDE THOSE CONNECTIONS SO THAT THEY CAN BE LESS, LESS NOISY FOR OTHER EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON.

AGAIN, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT H OF THE PD, AND THAT'S INCLUDED AND SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW, WITH OUR DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURE THE REAL CHANGE HERE HAS BEEN EFFECTIVELY TO ADD THIS WATER BAND ALONG THE FRONT AND TO TRY TO MUTE THE AMOUNT OF CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

ON THIS ONE HERE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE ADDED THAT ALONG THE BOTTOM AND ALONG THIS FRONT.

NOTHING. NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED HERE OTHER THAN THAT.

HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE ON THIS MODERN FARMHOUSE WHERE THEY'VE ALSO DONE THE SAME, AND THEY'VE ADDED STONE OR BRICK ON THIS FRONT FACADE HERE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S KIND OF THE LIMIT OF THE CHANGES.

SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. THIS WAS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WELL ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSION? I'LL CALL ON YOU IF YOU DON'T. YOU WANT TO START? I GUESS I'LL START FROM THE EAST SIDE. I DO LIKE I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER IN THIS PRESENTATION.

I THINK IT DOES TELL A MORE CLEAR STORY OF THE GOAL ON THE EAST TRACK.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I THINK YOU HEARD FROM US IS THE LOT SIZE, THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A MINIMUM OF 10,000 TO 12,500 VERSUS OUR REQUIREMENT OF 12,000 TO 20,000. I FEEL LIKE THE FACT THAT THE AVERAGE IS AT 13, FIVE, 80. I FEEL PERSONALLY THAT YOU LIKE THAT'S NOT A CONCERN FOR ME AS IT WAS WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT DATA POINT THAT YOU PROVIDED FOR US.

YOU DID MENTION, AS I BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING, ABOUT THE SQUARE FEET ON THOSE HOUSES, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CHANGING IT TO THE 3000, THAT IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. AND IF THERE'S A MOTION MADE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE THAT, SINCE YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. AND THE DIFFERENT THE 12 ACRE PARKS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE TRACK I.

I LIKE HOW IT'S LAID OUT. I LIKE THE CONNECTIVITY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WITH THE EAST SIDE TRACK.

AS FAR AS THE PART OF THE NORTH SIDE OF FRONTIER PARKWAY.

SO I KNOW IT'S LIKE A HALF ACRE, IT'S LIKE A POCKET PARK.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE FEW HOUSES ARE. WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT SPACE? THAT'S LIKE ON THE FAR EAST SIDE OF THAT TRACK? IT'S KIND OF LIKE A JUST A GREEN SPACE. I HAVE A FEELING THAT'S GOING TO GET TURNED INTO A DETENTION POND, AND WE'LL HAVE TO MONETIZE THAT. TYPICALLY WHAT WE WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE GO IN AND WE DIG IT OUT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE SHAPED AND FORMED, AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAINAGE OVERFLOW IS THERE AND IT HOLDS WATER TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.

VERY OFTEN WE'LL HAVE TREE AREAS AND SIDEWALKS BESIDE IT.

SO IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, IN THAT DIXON PARK, THE OTHER END OF THAT PARK IS ACTUALLY A POND THAT HAS TRAIL ALL AROUND IT.

SO THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE THAT'S GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO FURTHER DESIGN.

SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE'LL WORK WITH THE ENGINEER OF RECORD, WHICH WOULD BE KIMLEY-HORN AND WILL JONES AND HIS TEAM OVER HARRISON JONES TO FLUSH THAT OUT. SO YOU HAD AMENITIES THAT IT'D HAVE A SIDEWALK AROUND IT.

IF THERE'S A DETENTION POND, THAT IT WOULD BE NOT JUST A DETENTION POND AND GRASS, BUT SOMETHING I OVER DO INLETS, I MEAN, AND THE EXAMPLE I GIVE IS IN SOME JURISDICTIONS YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, HEY, WE WANT TO GET A A YARD INLET THERE.

WELL, WHY STOP THERE? YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DEPRESS THE APRON DOWN THREE INCHES, PUT STONE ON IT, AND IT REALLY MAKES THAT APRON GO AWAY. BETTER YET, IF YOU PUT MULCH AND THEN SOME RIVER ROCK AROUND IT, IT MAKES IT EVEN GO WAY EVEN MORE SO. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IT'S LIMITING YOUR IMAGINATION.

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I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S A SITE DESIGN ISSUE AND WE'VE GOT TO GET TO.

OKAY, WHERE IS THAT HEAD WALL? HOW DOES IT LOOK? AN EXAMPLE THAT I WOULD POINT EVERYBODY TO IS TOWN LAKE.

TOWN LAKE IS A DEAL THAT WE'VE GOT OVER IN FLOWER MOUND. AND WE LITERALLY TOOK THOSE INLETS AND, AND SUPPRESSED THE APRON AROUND IT 3 TO 4IN, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS, AND BASICALLY PUT STONE CLADDING AROUND THE EDGE.

AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE IN THE ENTRY FEATURE ON THE NORTH END AND IT LOOKS AWESOME.

I MEAN, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE A YARD APRON LOOKING OR YARD LOOKING AWESOME, IT DOES.

SO AGAIN, IT'S LIMITED TO YOUR IMAGINATION, BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT TONIGHT WHETHER WE'VE GOT A DEAL TO GO FORWARD AND GO USE OUR IMAGINATION.

RIGHT. I'M GOOD WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE LAID TODAY ON THE EAST SIDE.

I GUESS WE'LL MOVE TO THE WEST SIDE. AND THAT'S WHERE I STILL HAVE.

I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, I DIDN'T NECESSARILY HEAR THAT THEY WERE ADDRESSED.

ONE BEING THE LOT SIZE AND THE MINIMUM OF THE 55 FOOT WIDTH THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING VERSUS OUR REQUEST THAT IT'S LARGER, LIKE 60 OR 65.

SO I STILL HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT. I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE LARGER LOTS THERE, A LARGER WIDTH THERE. AS WELL AS I'M STILL A LITTLE CONCERNED ON THE DENSITY OF THAT SIDE.

THE 525 LOTS IS A LOT ON THAT SIDE. YOUR VISUAL THAT YOU SHOWED SIGNIFICANTLY SHOWED LESS LOT.

SO VISUALLY IT WILL CHANGE. THE OTHER PART, AS YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED, WAS ABOUT THE AMENITY CENTER AND THE REQUEST FOR A SECOND ONE.

THE REASON I'M GOOD ON THE EAST TRACK IS BECAUSE THAT AMENITY CENTER IS AN AMENITY FOR EVERYBODY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE YOU CAN GET TO IT.

THE WEST TRACK IS A VERY DIFFERENT TRACK. AND SO I'M STILL I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE SOUTHERN MOST HOMES WOULD HAVE AN AMENITY. AND MAYBE YOU CAN MAYBE EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON YOUR, LIKE, YOUR DRAWINGS OR WHATEVER. MY CONCERN IS, IS I GET THE IDEA OF HAVING ONE MAJOR LIKE YOU USED THE BUCKY'S AMENITY CENTER.

SO I GUESS THE IDEA OF THE BUCKY'S AMENITY CENTER.

AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE GREEN SPACE AREAS ON THAT SOUTHERN PORTION, I GUESS THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN UP, IT'S VERY THE WORDING IS LIKE, IT'S INSPIRATIONAL. WE MAY OR MAY NOT DO THIS.

IT DOESN'T SEEM AS DEFINITIVE ON THE WESTERN SIDE AS I'D LIKE IT TO BE.

I WOULD LIKE THAT AREA TO BE MORE DEFINED. I, I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT THE PEOPLE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IF I MISSED IT, IF YOU SAID IT THAT LIKE IF THERE'S A HIKE AND BIKE OR HIKE WALKING TRAIL TO CONNECT THE PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTHERN SIDE TO GET TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, OR IS OR IS THE INTENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE TO THAT AMENITY CENTER? SO IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE THINGS HERE, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR TRAIL ALONG ALONG THIS AREA HERE, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS.

AND THE IDEA THAT WE'RE FLOATING NOW IS THAT YOU WOULD BASICALLY PUT A CULVERT UNDER THIS ROAD HERE THAT WOULD CONVEY WATER, AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A SHELF IN THERE TO BRING THE SIDEWALK THROUGH.

NOW WHETHER THAT'S ONE CULVERT OR TWO AT TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS.

WE'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS. BUT WE HAVE TO STUDY IT AND MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHERE THE 100 YEAR WATER SURFACE ELEVATION IS.

WE'VE GOT TO BUILD THAT SHELF UNDER THERE SO THAT WE CAN GET IT UNDER THERE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY TRAIL THAT'S OPEN TO ANYONE THAT LIVES IN PROSPER.

SO THIS BEING A GATED COMMUNITY, IF YOU'LL RECALL, I'VE ALSO GOT TO WORK THROUGH HOW TO GET THEM IN AND OUT OF THERE AND KEEP THIS AREA SECURE. SO THAT'S THAT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE WE'RE AWARE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FACE.

ONCE YOU GET INTO THE COMMUNITY, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THIS THING WE DON'T DO WITHOUT SIDEWALKS.

BUT AGAIN, I WOULD ALSO REMIND YOU THAT THE DRIVEWAYS HERE, WE TRY TO KEEP THE DRIVEWAYS FLAT.

AND THAT ALSO WORKS CLOSELY WITH STREET GRADES.

THANKFULLY, THIS IS A VERY FLAT SITE. I HAVE A SITE IN BURNEY, TEXAS THAT HAS 15% ROADS, WHICH MAKES IT VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO IN TOP MOUNTAINS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE IDEA HERE IS TO CREATE THIS CONNECTIVITY OF WALKING, AND THEN TO ALSO CREATE THIS SIGNAGE THAT HELPS GUIDE ONE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND TO HAVE THESE SEPARATE AMENITIES PART THROUGH.

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AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN THERE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.

I THINK IT'S 3 OR 4, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S A DROP DOWN MENU.

I HAVE TO DO ONE OF THOSE RIGHT FOR THAT WEST SIDE OR 2 OR 3 OR WHATEVER THAT IS.

NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SAYING, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THOSE. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A BOCCE COURT, WE WOULD DO A BOCCE COURT. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A FIRE PIT, WE WOULD DO THIS KIND OF FIRE PIT. WE WERE TRYING TO SHOW WITHOUT DOING A FINAL DESIGN FOR IT, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED SOME DIFFERENT KINDS OF SHADE PROTECTION THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

BUT AGAIN, YOU DON'T YOU AREN'T GOING TO HAVE SMALL CHILDREN RUNNING THROUGH HERE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROGRAM THIS WITH MORE ADULT THEMED TYPE AMENITIES.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO SIT DOWN, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SIT AROUND A FIRE PIT, OR THEY'RE GOING TO NEED THE ABILITY TO COME IN AND MAYBE HAVE A REALLY NICE GAS GRILL, WHICH I THINK I SHOWED YOU ONE OF THOSE WHERE THEY CAN SET UP AND HAVE THEIR FRIENDS OVER AND JUST COOK OUT AROUND A SEATING AREA. SO THE IDEA HERE IS WE'RE NOT SAYING NO, WE'RE JUST DOING IT.

WE'RE COMING AT IT A DIFFERENT WAY. AND I AND I HEAR THAT I JUST DON'T I UNDERSTAND THE TRAIL SYSTEM WHERE IT'S ALONG THE CREEK. I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE.

I THINK THAT'S I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT I HAD WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US ABOUT HAVING AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT, AND I THINK YOU EXPLAINED THAT VERY WELL. AND THAT AREA IS NOT NOT REALLY AN AREA THAT I HAVE A CONCERN WITH.

IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE MANY CENTER AND HAVING IT MORE DEFINED LOCATION WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AND THE CONNECTIVITY FOR THOSE PEOPLE, LIKE MORE OUTLINED OTHER THAN JUST SIDEWALKS, LIKE A MORE DIRECT ROUTE, I GUESS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO GET FROM THE SOUTHERN PORTION TO THE NORTHERN PORTION, WHETHER THAT SIDEWALKS THAT ARE IN THE BRAZOS EASEMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT LINE IS A CONNECTIVITY ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF IT.

I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT PART IS NOT AS BUTTONED UP, AND THAT'S STILL JUST AREA THAT I HAVE A CONCERN PERSONALLY.

I LIKE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE AND EVERYTHING YOU EXPLAINED ON THE EASTERN PORTION SO THAT FOR ME, THAT'S NO LONGER AN ISSUE. IT'S REALLY A DENSITY ON THE WESTERN SIDE THE LOT WIDTH AND THEN MORE SOLIDIFIED ON THE AMENITIES FOR THAT SIDE.

SO THE I BELIEVE THE PLAN WAS TO HAVE TRAIL THROUGH THE BRAZOS AREA, BUT THAT'S USUALLY THAT'S ALWAYS TOUGH WITH BRAZOS.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO YOU'VE GOT TO MANAGE THEM. I DO KNOW ALSO THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEED FOR SOME OF THESE CONNECTIONS TO REACH INTO THAT PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF US.

SO THOSE ARE PROVIDED FOR. MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE WE'RE RUNNING THIS UP TO THAT PROPERTY LINE THERE.

SAME THING WITH, I THINK, THE ONE TO THE SOUTH AS WELL.

WITH THAT SAID YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS YOU HAVE LIKE IN LOOKING AT I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE A IN SOME OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS, YOU'LL SEE, LIKE IN THE MID BLOCK, YOU'LL SEE A SECTION AND IT'S A GREEN SPACE AND IT KIND OF BRINGS YOU CONNECTIVITY SO PEOPLE CAN MOVE FROM THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTHERN PORTION.

IT'S A MORE DIRECT ROUTE TO GET TO AN AMENITY CENTER OR TO GET THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I'M NOT REALLY SEEING THAT IN THIS. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.

OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE WE DROP THESE THINGS IN ALONG THE WAY.

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S JUST THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE ACTIVE ADULT THAT WE USE TO HELP.

THAT'S JUST HOW WE DO IT. THAT'S HOW WE DID IT IN SANTA RITA RANCH.

IT'S HOW WE DO IT IN BERNIE. WE DON'T WE DON'T DO LARGE, MASSIVE PARK AREAS.

WE TRY TO POCKET THEM IN CERTAIN PLACES, AND THOSE ARE BUILT ALONG DIFFERENT SIDEWALK TRAILS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

SO I THINK THAT'S MY COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I JUST ONE I, ONE THING I WAS GOING TO RAISE, I MEAN, I LIKE THIS I LIKE WHAT YOU PROPOSED.

I YOUR PRESENTATION WAS HELPFUL IN MANY WAYS.

THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD, I STILL REMAIN CONCERNED WITH THE 55 FOOT LOTS I DON'T LIKE.

I THINK THAT'S JUST TOO SMALL. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS FOR THE AGE RESTRICTED SIDE.

THIS IS MY AGE. SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE THE DESIRE FOR SMALL YARDS.

BUT 55. BUT I CAN. I CAN DO MORE WITH MORE THAN 55.

I JUST I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 55 FOOT LOTS.

AND WOULD RATHER SEE 60. YEAH, I'D RATHER SEE 65, BUT I CAN LIVE WITH 60.

I JUST THINK I JUST THINK IT'S TOO, TOO SMALL AND AND THERE WAS A CHART THAT YOU SHOWED A LITTLE EARLIER THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED THAT THE TARGET THAT YOU WERE,

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START RIGHT THERE. YOU SAID YOU WERE TRYING TO REACH THOSE MIDDLE TO BARS, AND THAT STARTS AT 60 FOOT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I WISH WE WERE ON THE, ON THE EASTERN, ON THE WESTERN TRACK.

SO, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A, THIS IS A I WANT TO TALK A COUPLE OF THINGS.

SO THIS IS A CASH FLOW THING RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE IS I'M TRYING TO OPEN TWO STORES UNDER ONE NAME, ONE REGENCY, ONE MARKET RATE, TRYING TO KEEP MY VELOCITY SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE LAND VALUES UP FOR THE SELLERS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WANT THERE TO BE. WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE 50S ALL THE WAY TO 80S.

WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT ONCE YOU HIT 90, IT DROPS OFF THE CLIFF.

AND I THINK THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE PERSONALLY IS JUST LOOKING AT THE MONTH'S SUPPLY OF 80 IN THIS COMMUNITY.

IT'S IT'S DAUNTING. SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THAT WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN OUT OVER OUR SKIS A LITTLE BIT.

SOME STUFF IS HIT LATELY. SO WITH THAT SAID, I WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT I DON'T PUT TOO MANY OF THESE ON HERE.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE CLOSINGS AND THE STARTS.

WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT THE CLOSINGS ARE LEADING THESE OTHER LOT SIZES.

IT'S NOT LEADING THE 80S. NOW, THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE GAPPING OUT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'VE GOT OTHER COMMUNITIES COMING ONLINE.

WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BASICALLY BUILD A MESH KIND OF LIKE THIS SO THAT WE CAN OVERLAP THEM.

WE CAN CREATE THESE DIFFERENT PRODUCT BANDS. THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO DO SO THAT SOMEONE CAN COME IN AND WE'VE GOT A PRODUCT FOR EVERY PERSON, AND WE'RE JUST STACKING THEM ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

I THINK ALSO WITH THIS AMENITY, I THINK ON A PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS, I'M GOING TO GET OUT THERE OVER MY SKIS AND REALLY SAY SOMETHING AND SCOTT'S GOING TO COME PUNCH ME IN THE HEAD. AS FAR AS AMENITY CENTERS, THIS WILL BE THE NICEST AMENITY CENTER ON A PER DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS OF ANY COMMUNITY IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I'VE SEEN OUR OTHER TWO IN TEXAS AND IN MY AREA, AND THEY ARE SECOND TO NONE. SO WITH THAT SAID, REMEMBER, WE'RE PUTTING THAT OVER ON THAT SIDE WITH THOSE SMALLER LOTS.

I THINK ALSO IMPORTANT. I MEAN, EVEN WITH OUR PRODUCT THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THIS COMMUNITY, MOST OF THESE LOTS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE STARTING AT 56.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE AGE OF THE ACT OF ADULT IN TEXAS, IT'S VERY UNUSUAL FROM ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY.

I AM ACTIVELY NOW TAKING 40 AND 50 FOOT STUFF IN SANTA RITA RANCH AND MAKING IT LARGER.

AND THE AND IT'S THAT'S WE USE THAT FEEDBACK.

WHEN WE STARTED LOADING THE PERCENTAGES INTO THIS LAYOUT THAT WE HAVE.

I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT PHENOMENON IS. I DO KNOW THAT A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE THEY IT'S A IT'S A TEXAS THING. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET IN THEIR CAR.

AND IF THEY'RE IN AUSTIN THEY CAN FLY TO IT. THEY CAN GET TO AN AIRPORT.

THEY CAN FLY TO DFW AND BE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

AND THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF UNIQUE TO TEXAS. AND SO WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT THESE TEXAS HOMES ARE THEIR FIRST HOMES.

THEY'RE GOING TO THEIR SECOND HOME SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS AS THIS BEING THEIR THEIR THEIR SINGLE HOME, WE'RE HAVING TO BASICALLY SCRAP THE SMALLER STUFF AND BASICALLY BUILD THE BIGGER STUFF.

BUT FOR THE SAKE OF A PERFORMANCE, FOR SAKE OF KEEPING MY LAND OFFER HIGH, I WANT TO HAVE AS MANY LOTS AS I CAN.

YOU KNOW, THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU NIGHT IS, I THINK, IS 197 OR 196 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING. THERE IS LARGELY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

WE'RE NOT REAL FAMOUS FOR ADDING DENSITY AFTER THE FACT.

I THINK OVERALL THIS IS LIKE A 740 SOMETHING, 750 LIGHT COMMUNITY AS IT'S PLANNED TODAY.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THIS IS GOING TO FINISH. I DON'T SEE US GOING TO 800 HERE.

THERE JUST SIMPLY ISN'T ROOM. SO WITH THAT SAID, THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS IN MY MIND WHEN I'M THINKING THROUGH THESE LAND PLANS.

AND THEN I THINK ALSO OUR PRODUCT MEETINGS WILL BE ALREADY BEING TOLD THAT I'M GOING TO PROBABLY BE AT 56 FOOT WIDE LOTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE EIGHT FOOT SIDE SIDEWALK SIDE YARDS.

SO. AND I APPRECIATE THOSE. I APPRECIATE ALL THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE. YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME FINANCIAL IMPACT AND SO FORTH HERE.

BUT ON THE WESTERN SIDE. YOU'VE GOT 196 OF THE 55, 56 FOOT LOTS OUT OF 525 LOTS.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 40% OF IT IS THE SMALLER LOTS.

AND THAT'S I JUST AS I LOOK IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THOSE SMALLER LOTS.

THEY'RE JUST CROWDED. I LIKE I SAID, I'M IN. I I'M IN THAT AGE GROUP AND MY DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE OR, YOU KNOW, ARE USUALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW SMALL AND CROWDED THEY FEEL, YOU KNOW, IN HERE.

SO I DON'T, I, I I WOULD RATHER SEE AGAIN A 60 FOOT MINIMUM INSTEAD OF THE 55 OR 56.

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SO. RIGHT. BUT I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT AS A TOTAL NUMBER OVER THE ENTIRE DEAL IN MY HEAD.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST HOW I THINK ABOUT IT. I UNDERSTAND AND I, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT IT FROM THE TWO BECAUSE THEY'RE THE TWO DIFFERENT AREAS ARE VERY UNIQUE AND DISTINCTIVE. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT WESTERN AREA IS JUST GOING TO LOOK VERY DENSE.

AND SO THAT'S MY PROBLEM. BUT YEAH, EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS GREAT.

AND I AND I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE ARE.

WE ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE CHALLENGES. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH COMPS ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1385.

WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO US.

WE'RE ALSO HAVING TO DEAL WITH YOU KNOW, JUST THE REALITY OF THE BRAZOS POWER LINE.

AND WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MONETIZE IT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A TRAIL. THAT'S GOING TO BE TYING IT TO OTHER THINGS ALONG THE WAY THERE.

AND THEN I THINK THE PART THAT NOBODY WANTS TO REALLY TALK ABOUT IS DENTON ISD.

YOU KNOW, THE WEST SIDE IS NOT PROSPER, PROSPER.

THE WEST SIDE IS PROSPER DENTON ISD. AND I'M ALSO AWARE THAT AS AN ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF EFFECT ON YOUR PROPERTY VALUES THERE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET OVER TWO HURDLES THERE.

I CAN I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN IN FAIRMOUNT, I'M DEALING WITH THE FLOWER MOUND, FLOWER MOUND VERSUS FLOWER MOUND, DENTON ISD ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE.

AND IT'S A CHALLENGE. I MEAN, IT'S A 30% TO 40% PRICE DROP, AND NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO RECOGNIZE THAT.

BUT IT'S A REAL THING. AND WE HAVE TO THINK THROUGH THAT AS WELL.

AND I THINK WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT THE 55 PRODUCT IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE WHERE WE START.

I THINK AFTER PHASE ONE, WE'RE GOING TO START MAKING VALUE DECISIONS OF HOW HIGH UP DO WE NEED TO PUSH THAT IN ORDER TO GET THIS OTHER.

IT'LL IT'LL COME IN THE FORM OF WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS ARE WE SELLING? IT'LL COME IN THE FORM OF OKAY, WE'RE WE'RE SELLING 10 OR 15% LESS OF THAT.

ALL RIGHT. FINE. LET'S GET BACK. LET'S LET'S RESORT THAT BAND A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ALL DATA IS NOT STATIC. CHANGES WITH TIME. SO.

MR. BOSWELL, DID YOU HAVE A A LOT WIDTH CHART FOR THE AGE RESTRICTED SPECIFICALLY? WAS THAT IN HERE? I DON'T BELIEVE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY OKAY WITH RANGE AND STARTS AND CLOSINGS? BUT THIS IS IN RELATION TO THE EASTERN TRACT.

SO THIS ONE HERE NO, THIS IS THIS IS A THIS IS STARTS AND CLOSING BY LOT WITH IN PROSPER.

ACCORDING TO DATA PRODUCED BY RESIDENTIAL STRATEGIES.

AND THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT BANDS OF HOMES AND WHAT THEIR STARTS AND CLOSINGS ARE IN THIS MARKET.

THAT'S ALL THIS IS THIS. THIS IS ME TRYING TO SHOW HOW I'M TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO CAPTURE THE MARKET. THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME 40S ON THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO SHOW IT. NO, I'M WITH YOU.

I GUESS I WAS CURIOUS WHAT THE KIND OF MARKET LOOKED LIKE FOR THE WIDTH OF THE, THE AGE RESTRICTED LOTS.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME CONCERN ON THE ON THE COMMISSION HERE ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE LOTS.

I'M, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY KIND OF A LITTLE LESS CONCERNED WITH THE AGE RESTRICTED SIDE.

I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLANCHARD AND, AND HAMILTON.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO FEEL A LITTLE CROWDED AT 55.

BUT I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU HAD ANY, ANY DATA TO SUPPORT THAT, THAT THAT'S THE LOT WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BUYING IN THESE AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES ARE LOOKING FOR. SO JUST JUST LOOKING AT THE DATA.

THAT'S THE DATA RIGHT THERE OF WHAT THE HOME WIDTHS ARE BY SALES AND CLOSING THIS MARKET.

NOW THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES WHAT OUR AGE, ACTIVE ADULT AGE TARGETED COMMUNITIES GOING FOR.

AND THAT GOES BACK TO THIS CHART UP HERE I GET THERE BECAUSE THIS WAS DONE BY DIFFERENT GROUP.

THIS WAS DONE BY RCL. WE USED THEM TO TRY TO HELP.

LIKE IF WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT A COMMUNITY. YEARS AGO I USED THEM IN CEDAR PARK.

THEY DID A BIG STUDY FOR THE CITY OF CEDAR PARK, AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT PARCELS, AND THEY WERE PARCELS THAT WERE NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS, IS, WELL, IF WE ANNEXED THEM IN, WHAT SHOULD THEY BE? WHAT SHOULD THEIR USE BE? WELL, THEY HAD TO DO SOME METRICS AND ALL THIS GOOD STUFF THAT THEY DO. AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID IS CAME TO US AND WE ASKED THEM, ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT IS THIS? HOW DO WE CAPTURE THE MOST OF THIS MARKET? WE'VE ALREADY DECIDED THAT MR. BLANCHARD AND MIKE BOSWELL ARE NOT LIVING IN THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IF I CAN SEE MY NEIGHBOR, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO LIVE THERE. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE GENTLEMAN THE OTHER DAY AND I SAID, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL HOME, YOU KNOW, FOR $1 MILLION HOME.

I SAID, THERE'S ONLY ONE PROBLEM. AND HE SAID, WHAT'S THAT? I SAID, IT'S NOT SURROUNDED BY AN 800 ACRE MOAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY, WE'RE RECOGNIZING THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE AN ECLECTIC BUNCH.

THEY LIKE TO TRAVEL. THEY THEY THEY HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS AND PREFERENCES.

WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO CAPTURE EVERYONE OVER 55.

BUT WHEN WE ASK, WHAT ARE THESE EMPTY NESTERS AND WHAT ARE THESE FOLKS LOOKING FOR? WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT A TWO AND THREE BEDROOM HOME IS IS THE SWEET SPOT FOR US.

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AND THEN ALSO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HOME SIZES THAT THAT ACCOMMODATES.

AND IT'S THIS BAND HERE WHICH IS THE 55 PRODUCT AND THE 65 PRODUCT.

AGAIN YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THERE'S LIES, DAMNED LIES AND STATISTICS.

BUT BUT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE WITH DATA THAT WE HAVE.

AND GET THEM TO OPINE ON IT. OKAY. SO THE WAY THAT I AND THIS IS I'M SURE JUST USER ERROR HERE ON MY OWN PART, THE WAY THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS DATA IS THAT YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENT HOME SIZES.

THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP IN THE 2500 TO 3000 RANGE, WHERE IT COULD BE ON A 55 FOOT LOT OR A 65 FOOT LOT.

BUT THAT THAT'S HOW I SHOULD BE INTERPRETING THIS THIS CHART.

YES. GOT IT. LOOK, I THINK WHEN I WALKED IN HERE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD BEFOREHAND, I WAS LEANING TOWARD NO, WITH THOSE CONCERNS GENERALLY ON THE EASTERN SIDE.

YOU KNOW, I ACKNOWLEDGE THE THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH, WITH THE, THE PARCEL AND THE PRODUCT, REALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE AGE RESTRICTED IS JUST A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT. I REMAIN MARGINALLY CONCERNED THAT IT WILL FEEL A LITTLE CRAMPED.

BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE OF IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TOLE IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPING A COMMUNITY THAT ISN'T GOING TO SELL.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S YOUR YOUR PRIMARY GOAL. I THINK ON ON THE EASTERN SIDE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS RUNNING SOME CALCULATIONS AHEAD OF TIME AND WE DID NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THIS PRESENTATION, I WAS COMING UP WITH A LOT AVERAGE AROUND 12,000, LIKE JUST UNDER, BASED ON THE LOT AMOUNTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ON THIS COMMISSION.

I THINK MOST OF US DEFINITELY LEAN TOWARD THE 12,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT AS FAR AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, RATHER THAN THE 2.5 LOTS PER ACRE. THOSE DON'T ALWAYS ALIGN.

IF 13,005 80 IS THE AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT CAPTURES THE SPIRIT OF IT.

THE ONLY CONCERN THAT THAT I WOULD HAVE AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THIS IS A QUESTION.

THIS IS JUST ME OPINING. I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE APPROVED THIS, THAT YOU WERE HELD TO THAT.

THAT THAT KIND OF AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS, IS DOCUMENTED AND HAS TO BE MET.

SO SHORT ANSWER IS, YEAH. CAPITAL EFFICIENCY MEANS THAT AS SOON AS THE GAVEL FALLS, I WALK OUT OF HERE AND START SCREAMING AT THE ENGINEER, GET THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SUBMITTED. I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER THING KIND OF BREAKING OFF OF THAT WHEN YOU LOOK HERE YOU SEE THE BANDS HERE, YOU SEE THE 1500 AND THE 1990. I DON'T WE HAVE A HOME THAT WOULD BE IN THAT 1500 SQUARE FOOT OR IT'S IN THAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. AND I THINK THE MINIMUM ON THAT SIDE IS 18.

ON ONE SIDE IT WAS 18. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT MAKING THAT 3000.

THAT'S THE EAST SIDE ON THE WEST SIDE. I THINK THERE WAS ONE THAT WE HAD IT 1500.

I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HEARTBURN OVER THAT GOING TO BE JUST 1800 ACROSS THE BOARD.

LARGELY BECAUSE IT IS LITERALLY A HOME THAT WE ARE BUILDING IN SANTA RITA THAT NO ONE WANTS.

I MEAN, IT'S THAT SITUATION. SO THE 1800 IS PROBABLY MORE LIKE IT.

AND THAT STILL LEAVES YOU IN THAT SECOND BAND DOWN FROM 1500 TO 1999.

WOULD ANYBODY REMEMBER WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN 1999? I DON'T, BUT ANYWAY IT STILL CAPTURES THAT 72% OF BUYER DEMAND ON THE 55 SIDE.

SO THAT COMMENTARY RELATES TO THE WESTERN PORTION.

CORRECT. CORRECT. CORRECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE EAST SIDE.

HOW MANY? I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT WITH THE POCKETS QUITE LARGE RIGHT NOW.

HOW MANY OF THE 12? FIVE LOTS ARE YOU PROVIDING OF THE 12? FIVE? THAT'S A MINIMUM OF 100 TYPE A LOTS, WHICH IS THE 12 FIVE.

SO THE 12 FIVE IS 108, AS I RECALL. SO, BROADLY SPEAKING, I THINK THE PRESENTATION I THINK COMMISSIONER FIORE SUMMARIZED AT THE PRESENTATION WAS VERY BENEFICIAL.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS. AND I AGREE, THE QUALITY OF TOLL BROTHERS IS GOING TO GOING TO ELEVATE THIS PART OF PROSPER IN A GREAT WAY. I THINK ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL STRUGGLING.

I'M A PURIST IN THE SENSE THAT WHEN WE SAY MEDIUM DENSITY, WE MEAN MEDIUM DENSITY.

SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE I'M A LITTLE STUCK ON THE, THE 12,500 MINIMUM.

HOWEVER, I THINK I'M COMING AROUND TO THE IDEA THAT THE AVERAGE WAS MUCH HIGHER THAN WE THOUGHT.

AND I THINK THAT TYPICALLY I DON'T. WOULDN'T TRUMP THE MINIMUM WITH AN AVERAGE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN GAIN THAT QUITE A BIT.

[01:20:06]

YEAH. WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY CHERRY PICKING. YEAH, EXACTLY.

SO I THINK ON THE EAST COAST, EAST EAST COAST, THE EAST SIDE.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS.

I LIKE THE MINIMUM MOVING UP JUST TO HELP PROTECT THE SPIRIT OF IT.

AND I THINK MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE IF WE COME BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, I THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE APPROACHABLE AT A MINIMUM OF 12.5.

OR IF WE COULD AT LEAST RAISE THE TYPE LOTS TO 150 OR 200 TO TRY TO HELP.

BUT I THINK I COULD GET BEHIND THE EAST ON THE NORTH.

THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT FOR YOU. I THINK THE LITTLE POCKET PARK IS AWESOME. I THINK THAT HELPS A VERY AWKWARD PIECE OF LAND. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN THE LAST PRESENTATION. SOME PEOPLE MIGHT ACTUALLY PREFER IT BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE CORNER THAT'S SEPARATE AND AND IT COULD BE NICE.

SO I THINK WHAT YOU DID WITH, WITH WHAT YOU HAD WAS, WAS GREAT.

AND I TRUST YOU'LL TAKE CARE OF THE REST OF IT IN A GOOD WAY.

ON THE WEST SIDE, TO ME, THAT'S WHERE THE WHEELS FALL OFF.

YOU KNOW, THE TYPE E LOTS TO ME. I JUST I CAN'T I CAN'T GET BEHIND.

THAT IS JUST NOT PROSPER IN ANY SHAPE OF THE IMAGINATION.

I 100% ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE, THE THE PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

SO I DON'T HAVE A GREAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT I THINK THAT I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S WAY TOO MUCH DENSITY.

AND YOU GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS, NOT SO MUCH IN PROSPER AND SURROUNDING AREAS THAT ARE THAT DENSE AND THEY DON'T FEEL GOOD.

I UNDERSTAND THIS IS ACTIVE ADULT OVER 55, BUT ONE QUESTION YOU MENTIONED, WHICH WAS JUST AN INTERESTING POINT.

WHERE DOES THE ISD LINE SIT? IS THE EAST TRACK IN PROSPER? SO THE EAST. IS IT MORE COMPLICATED TO THAT? SO WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THIS SIDE IS IN PROSPER, AND THERE'S A LITTLE SLIVER OF IT THAT COMES OVER HERE AND THIS IS IN PROSPER.

THIS IS ALL IN DENTON ISD. I WAS EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE IS AN INTERESTING DATA POINT THAT YOU SHARED.

I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BIG QUESTION I WOULD SAY ON THE WEST, OBVIOUSLY, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO MY OPINION IS GOING TO BE I THINK WE HAVE TO GET LESS DENSE IN ORDER TO GET THIS THING APPROVED.

BUT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IS THERE NO POSSIBLE WAY TO SHIFT THAT AMENITY CENTER SOUTH? DOES IT NEED TO BE UP AT THE FRONT FOR A IS THAT A MARKETING THING, OR IS THAT A I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS A FEW CONCERNS.

YOU'VE HEARD IF WE COULD GET IT MORE CENTRALIZED.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO HAVE THEM UP CLOSER TO THE FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE WITH SANTA RITA RANCH, BUT IT IS.

I HAVE TO BUILD A MODEL HOME PARK AROUND IT BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE BUFFERS AROUND IT.

IF IT MOVED DOWN A BLOCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO LOSE MILK OVER IT. I THINK THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE ACCESS. BY ACCESS, I MEAN THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY.

I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THERE IS A MOB USE. THAT'S A SIGN TO THIS THING AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS WITH STAFF.

THE IDEA HERE IS, AGAIN, A PHYSICAL THERAPIST COULD COME AND STORE THEIR MATERIALS THERE AND THEN GO TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

ALTERNATIVELY, THOSE PEOPLE COULD COME THERE AND USE THAT.

THAT IS THAT IS A THAT IS WRITTEN INTO THE PD AS IT IS TODAY.

I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME BENEFITS TO HAVING IT THERE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

THE CUL DE SAC AND JUST WHERE IT'S ORIENTATED UP AGAINST THE CREEK, AND IT'S GOT A VIEW OF THE AMENITY CENTER ACROSS THE WAY THERE.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE ONE COMMUNITY. BUT IF IT MOVED DOWN, FOR INSTANCE, IF IT MOVED FROM HERE TO HERE, I'M NOT LOSING SLEEP OVER THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY THAT SIZE, BUT WE'LL JUST THAT'S FINE DOWN HERE. SO AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR, I THINK YOUR REFLECTION OF BUCKY'S, BUT I THINK WHENEVER WE, WHEN WE ARE TALKING AMENITIES, I THINK WHAT THIS IS MISSING IS KIND OF THE ABILITY OF ALL THOSE OTHER ONES.

YOUR SLIDES WERE GREAT. AND I TRUST FULLY TRUST.

YOU COULD PROBABLY DRIVE TO ANY TOLL BROTHERS NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE THEM, AND THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK JUST LIKE THAT. SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS A CASE OF THAT, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO GET MY HEAD AROUND.

AND YOU MENTIONED THE VERY BIG FACT THAT THIS IS A MASSIVE PIECE OF LAND.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND, FRANKLY. AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ANYTHING ON THAT SOUTHERN PORTION IS, IS, TO ME, A SHOWSTOPPER. IT'S REALLY HARD. SOMEBODY THAT'S NO OFFENSE TO MY MY PARTNER HERE, GLENN. SOME SOME FOLKS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO GET OUT AND WALK IN 100 DEGREE HEAT, TWO MILES OR A MILE AND A HALF, OR WHATEVER IT IS TO GET UP TO AN AMENITY CENTER, I THINK.

I DON'T THINK YOU NECESSARILY WOULD NEED ANOTHER AMENITY, A BUILDING OR A POOL, BUT SOME POCKET PARKS, MUCH LIKE YOU DID ON THE NORTH PIECE, I THINK IS A GREAT AMENITY.

I LIVED IN IN STONEBRIDGE, IN MCKINNEY AND WE HAD THOSE ALL THROUGHOUT EVERYWHERE.

AND IT WAS IT WAS AMAZING. IT WAS VERY GREAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO YEAH, WE'VE GOT POCKETS OF THREE ACRES AND FOUR ACRES SPREAD THROUGHOUT THERE.

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EXCEPT THERE'S ONE WHICH IS THE MEDITERRANEAN STYLE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT FITS. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT EVEN MATTERS, OR IF WE EVEN NEED TO HAVE AN OPINION, BUT IN MY PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAVE ABOUT FIVE HOMES OUT OF 950 AND THAT ARE THAT ARE MEDITERRANEAN ESQUE, AND THEY JUST STAND OUT.

THEY JUST DON'T FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE BAD HOMES.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT TASTE ARE BAD PEOPLE. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT FITS THE THE THOUGHT OF PROSPER.

WE I DON'T THINK WE DO THAT MANY MEDITERRANEAN IS ANY WORD REALLY.

WHERE DO YOU GO? OH, THERE HE IS. I DON'T ACTUALLY I DON'T THINK WE DO THAT MANY MEDITERRANEAN ANYMORE.

IT'S MORE I THINK I THINK IT'S IN WANDERING CREEK.

YEAH. THEY'RE SELLING THERE. SO IT'S I THINK IT'S THE DIVERSITY OF THE HOUSES THAT PEOPLE LIKE.

YEAH. BUT ON THAT NOTE TO YOUR COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT THE LARGER LOTS AND THEM NOT SELLING AND WANDERING CREEK, THE THE BEST SELLING LOT IS 80 FOURS ARE OUTSELLING THE 70 FOURS.

THERE'S ONLY 11 LOTS LEFT ON THE 80 FOURS AND THERE'S LIKE 41 ON THE 74.

SO THE LARGER LOTS ARE SELLING. AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE YOU DID SAY PROSPER IS DIFFERENT AND PROSPER INDEX, YOU KNOW, HIGHER ON INCOME. I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING THOSE HOUSES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WANTING AND PROSPER BIG HOUSES.

AND AND SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE EAST SIDE ADDRESSES THAT.

THE FLIP SIDE IS WHEN THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING THESE BIG HOUSES ARE DOWNSIZING, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO DOWNSIZE TO 13, 1500 SQUARE FEET. AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH SOME OTHER OVER 55 NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE NOT SELLING IN THE NORTH DALLAS AREA.

IT'S FOR THAT REASON. SO. THE 1800 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM IS REALLY THE MINIMUM.

I WOULD PUT IN A 55 AND OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY IN PROSPER.

I DO AGREE WITH LIKE GLEN ON THE 60 FOOT LOT, MINIMUM LOT WITH MINIMUM.

AND THE DENSITY IS KIND OF A STICKING POINT TOO.

AND I THINK IF YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE AT 3.0, IF WE GOT IT DOWN TO THE 2.5, MAYBE THE DIFFERENCE ON THOSE UNITS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO HAVE SOME BETTER CONNECTIVITY ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION, BECAUSE I THINK THIS TRACK IS SO VERY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER TRACK.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL TRACK LAND. ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING ARE BEAUTIFUL, BUT THERE'S STILL THAT ISSUE OF CONNECTIVITY AND GROUPING AN AMENITY CENTER MORE SOUTHERN, NOT AN AMENITY CENTER, BUT I GUESS AMENITIES AND JUST HAVING IT GROUPED BIGGER.

AND I GET YOU NEED TO HAVE A BUFFER. AND I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT BUFFER AND STILL ACCOMPLISH THAT.

AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE JUST GOING TO HELP SELL MORE.

I MEAN, LIKE THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE WE WANT YOU TO BUILD WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SELL.

AND THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE IN PROSPER TELL US THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SO.

WELL. AND I WANT TO BE I WANT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE WANDERING CREEK IS ON A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN.

OKAY. SO WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FAR WEST SIDE OF TOWN.

SO THERE'S SOME DYNAMIC THERE I THINK AS WELL.

RIGHT, THAT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE. I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE LITERALLY BUTTING UP AGAINST DENTON COUNTY, RURAL DENTON COUNTY. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE NOT I MEAN, I GUESS THE WESTERN PORTION IS THE 55 AND OLDER.

THAT'S THE DENTON COUNTY. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO BUILD 80 FOOT LOTS ON THERE OR 74 FOOT LOTS.

WE'RE JUST SAYING 55 IS TOO SMALL AND WE'RE SAYING 60.

SEEN, FROM WHAT I COULD HEAR IS THE IS LIKE THE THE THRESHOLD OF WHERE WE'RE FEELING COMFORTABLE.

SO JUST ONE OTHER POINT ON THIS 55 FOOT LOT THAT KEEPS KIND OF GETTING ECHOED AMONG THE COMMISSION IS THIS IDEA OF IT FEELING TIGHT? I THINK A LOT OF IT THAT WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE THAT YOU'RE DRIVING COMMUNITIES OF LOTS ON, LOTS ON, LOTS THAT ARE ALL THAT SMALLER LOT SIZE. THAT'S WHAT REALLY BUILDS THAT PHILIP DENSITY.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, AS MIKE ILLUSTRATED, THERE WILL BE IN BLOCKS.

I CAN GO TO THE OTHER SLIDE TO SHOW YOU GUYS AGAIN.

WHERE IT WILL BE STACKING MIGHT BE GOING THERE.

I THINK I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY. THERE IT IS.

BUT THIS WILL NOT BE ROWS AND BLOCKS OF 55 FOOT LOTS.

THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS DON'T CHANGE, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO FEEL THAT SAME LEVEL OF DENSITY LIKE WHAT YOU'RE USED TO DRIVING, WHERE IT'S ALL THE SAME LOT WITH IN A SECTION OF A COMMUNITY.

I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THAT POINT. THANK YOU FOR ADDING THAT. I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT LIKE LAKEWOOD OR BRICK HOLLOW IS BASICALLY CONSTRUCTED IN 74 FOOT LOTS,

[01:30:02]

I MEAN, IT'S STILL IT'S STILL THE REALITY OF IT COMPARED TO HOW OTHER AREAS ARE COMMUNITY FEEL.

SO IF I WANT TO INTERACT WITH STAFF, JUST A SECOND, IF I RECALL THAT BROOK HOLLOW HAS DIFFERENT SIDE YARD SETBACKS FOR THE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.

CORRECT. SO AT THAT TIME, KIND OF THE PLANNING THEORY OF THE DAY WAS YOU WANT YOUR SIDE YARD SETBACK TO BE 10% OF THE LOT WITH.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THEM UNIFORM THROUGHOUT SO THAT THEY HAVE THIS OPEN SPACE IN BETWEEN THEM.

WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE SIDE YARD? I BELIEVE IT'S 888 OKAY.

EIGHT FEET INTERIOR LOT INTERIOR. YEAH. DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS AT THE SIDE YARD WITH THE SETBACK IT VARIES BETWEEN THE LARGE LOTS AND SMALLER LOTS.

AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO IRRITATE JEREMY FOR A SECOND. THE ARTICULATING FRONT AND BACK SETBACKS. PLEASE COME UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT IS. WELL, IT'S DIFFICULT ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS WITH FRANCHISE UTILITIES, WITH DRIVEWAYS, WITH RETAINING WALLS, WITH GETTING MOISTURE CONDITIONING DONE.

THERE'S A MYRIAD OF REASONS TO FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT ON THAT.

I'VE SAID IT OUT LOUD AT A MEETING, SO I DON'T THINK JEREMY HAS AN OPINION.

YEAH. THAT'S AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR SHOULD WE MOVE TO A PUBLIC HEARING? GOOD, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I BELIEVE WE WERE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY.

OKAY. SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 815, 815.

SAY THAT OUT LOUD. OKAY. 815. ANY COMMENTS? ANY COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY? NOT EVERYBODY AT ONCE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS, THEN WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION.

I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF SHARED SOME OPINION, BUT ANYTHING BEFORE WE CONSIDER A MOTION.

I GET THE POWER OF CHOOSING A SIDE. THIS IS FUN, COMMISSIONER.

FOR ANY. YOU WANT TO KICK US OFF? YEAH, I THINK I SAID MOST OF MY OPINIONS BEFORE I WENT OUT OF ORDER.

MY APOLOGIES. I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THE THE WESTERN PORTION.

IT HONESTLY IS, IS LESS SO I WAS MUCH MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE EASTERN PORTION, GIVEN THAT THERE'S AN OBVIOUS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY TYPES. I THINK, COMMISSIONER CARSON, I, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AG LAND.

AND YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WE THERE'S A PART OF I THINK A LOT OF US THAT WANT TO BE PURIST ABOUT THE 12,500.

AND GIVEN THAT THIS IS ZONED AG RIGHT NOW IT GIVES US A LOT OF ABILITY TO, TO DRAW THAT LINE.

UNTIL WE HAD THE PRESENTATION THAT THE APPLICANT BROUGHT IN I WAS PRETTY MUCH A FIRM.

NO, ON THE EASTERN PORTION. LIKE, I THOUGHT IT'S GOT TO GET TO 12,500.

YOU KNOW, IF THE AVERAGE IS 1000FT² ABOVE THAT, I THINK THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE THE SPIRIT OF IT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD OTHER, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS COME IN WITH PROPOSALS THAT MEET THE 2.5 PER ACRE, BUT DON'T GET TO AN AVERAGE OF 12,500.

AND THIS ONE IS THE OPPOSITE, WHERE IT GETS TO THAT AVERAGE AND IT MEETS, I BELIEVE IT'S AT 2.1, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I'M KIND OF BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH ON EXACTLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE WEST.

I THINK I'M A LITTLE LESS CONCERNED ABOUT IT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. MY CONCERNS ON THE EAST WERE WERE LARGELY WERE LARGELY SOLVED.

OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I'LL JUST SAY THE SAME THING I'VE SAID ALREADY.

I'M TROUBLED WITH 55 FOOT LOTS. WITH LOTS I DON'T I, I WISH WE WERE A LITTLE HIGHER.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY, MY SINGULAR PROBLEM WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GREAT DEVELOPMENT. I JUST THINK THE DENSITY OVER THERE AND YOU'VE BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GREAT POINTS WITH REGARD TO THAT.

YOU KNOW, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE THE DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.

I REALLY UNDERSTAND THE PRICE, YOU KNOW, THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF IT, I GUESS.

BUT I'M STILL CONCERNED JUST ABOUT THE APPEARANCE.

EVEN THOUGH THE LOTS ARE YOU GOT TWO SIDES. THE SIDE SETBACKS ARE THE SAME.

OR UNIFORM. I GUESS BESIDE IT STILL MEANS. I GUESS THAT MEANS THAT THE HOUSE SITTING ON THE 55 FOOT LOT IS GOING TO BE NARROWER.

IT'S GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY NARROWER. I THINK IT'S STILL GOING TO GIVE A FEELING OF I JUST TOO MUCH DENSITY.

[01:35:05]

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HILTON. I THINK I, I THINK I SAID EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO I, I LIKE A LOT OF THE EAST SIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION, THE DETAIL.

I LIKE THE TRAIL CONNECTIVITY. I LIKE THE WAY THE SENATORS LAID OUT.

I LIKE THE WAY THE NORTH SIDE OF FRONTIER PARKWAY IS LAID OUT.

I HAVE THOSE CONCERNS ON THE WESTERN TRACK. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLAND SAID ABOUT THE LOT WITH, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY OF 3.0 AND WOULD RATHER SEE IT AT SOMETHING LIKE 2.5 AND THE LOT MINIMUM 1800 SQUARE FEET, WHICH I KNOW THAT WASN'T AN ISSUE FOR THEM.

BUT THAT'S THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE. AND OBVIOUSLY THE AMENITY CENTER, WHICH I'VE, YOU KNOW I JUST HAVE THE CONCERNS OF HAVING THE AMENITIES AND HAVING CONNECTIVITY FOR THIS SOUTHERN PORTION.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS THAT'S I'M LAST.

I'LL I'M GOOD ON THE EAST, I BELIEVE. I THINK I THINK IT'S COMING AROUND AND FEELS LIKE A GOOD, GOOD DEVELOPMENT UP THERE. I LIKE THE LITTLE NORTH COMPONENT.

I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THE EAST, BUT I THINK IT'S PLEASANTLY SURPRISED FOR THAT DIFFICULT PIECE OF LAND ON THE WEST.

I STILL THINK WE HAVE WORK TO DO THAT. I COMPLETELY AGREE 55 IS JUST VERY, VERY, VERY SMALL.

THE COMMENTARY YOU HEAR IN THE, IN THE TOWN IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE BROOK HOLLOW AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER SMALLER LOTS THAT BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENTS THAT PEOPLE JUST DON'T APPRECIATE HOW LITTLE AND, AND PILED ON THOSE HOUSES ARE.

SO I DON'T THINK 55 I WOULD BE A FAN OF GETTING TO 65.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER I COULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS MORE WELL, I'LL GO THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF THINGS.

THE OTHER IS I APPRECIATE THE BIG AMENITY CENTER.

I THINK THAT'S A PERFECTLY OKAY CONCEPT. AND I LOVE THE THE ANALOGY TO BUCKY'S.

I THINK EVERYBODY LOVES SOME BUCKY'S. SO THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A BIG ONE VERSUS TRYING TO BREAK IT APART ACTUALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

I THINK THE FACT THAT THERE'S I'M GOING TO SAY NONE.

I KNOW THERE ARE NONE, BUT VERY FEW SHOWN ON THE SOUTH.

AND I THINK COMMISSIONER HAMILTON'S BROUGHT UP CONSISTENTLY BOTH THE ORIGINAL TIME AND TONIGHT, JUST THE EASE OF CONNECTIVITY TO GET UP TO THE NORTH.

YOU'RE WANDERING THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU TEN MINUTES TO DRIVE UP THERE.

AND IT'S VERY, VERY FAR. SO I'M JUST NOT A FAN OF OF THAT KIND OF LACK OF.

THERE'S NO LIKE MAJOR BOULEVARD OR SOMETHING THAT KIND OF STREAMLINES THAT APPROACH TO GET UP TO IT.

AND OR THERE'S NOTHING REALLY SHOWN TO THE SOUTH. I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONNECTIVITY TO THE BIGGER TRAILS, WHICH ARE WHICH IS GREAT. AND THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL TONIGHT. BUT I STILL THINK WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO. SO I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF OF MOVING THIS FORWARD AT THIS TIME, BUT THAT'S MY THOUGHT. SO I GUESS EVERYBODY'S KIND OF SAID THEIR PIECE.

DO WE HAVE I GUESS WE CAN APPROVE, DENY OR TABLE OR OUR OPTIONS.

IS THERE A MOTION TO, I GUESS, MY I WOULD LEAN TOWARD TABLING TO OUR NEXT MEETING TO GIVE TIME FOR THEM TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. OR. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

YOUR MOTION. THAT'LL BE MY MOTION IF UNLESS SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION, BUT OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON TO TABLE.

WE NEED TO TABLE IT TO A SPECIFIC MEETING. CORRECT.

OKAY. WHAT WOULD THAT DATE BE. OH YEAH. CAN WE.

YEAH. SO SO TWO THINGS. THE PLAN HAS SHOWN HAS 740 SOMETHING.

LOTS. SO IN THE CALCULUS HERE TO EAT TONIGHT, IT'S FINE IF Y'ALL WANT TO REDUCE THE 800 TO 750, THAT'S FINE. THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS I NEED AN UP OR DOWN VOTE TONIGHT.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S JUST THE ARRANGEMENT THAT WE IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.

SO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I NEED AN UP OR DOWN VOTE TONIGHT, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. OKAY SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION OR DO WE WANT TO.

AND IT WAS. YEAH. YEAH. IS THERE A SECOND? THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER.

THANKS, GUYS. APPRECIATE THE TEAMWORK. YEAH. WITHOUT A SECOND.

BUT YOU GUYS. ALL RIGHT. SO WITHOUT A SECOND.

ANOTHER MOTION. WE'LL OPEN IT BACK UP FOR ANOTHER MOTION.

OR MORE DISCUSSION IF NEEDED.

[01:40:10]

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLANCHETTE TO DENY.

I'LL SECOND IT. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY? THAT IS APPROVED.

WHICH SOUNDS BACKWARDS. APPROVED. 4 TO 0 FOR DENIAL.

AND WE'LL MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM. SO I GUESS I HAVE TO FORMALLY SAY THE SAME THING. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. OKAY.

PERFECT. SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A REQUEST TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FROM MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON 191.7 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PARVIN ROAD IN 2070FT EAST OF FM 1385, ITS COMPANION ITEM.

YOU MOVED ON 24 002. THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE LAST REGULAR MEETING, SO WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO REMOVE IT FROM THE TABLE TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED, SO MOVED BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FURY.

ALL IN FAVOR OF REMOVING IT FROM THE TABLE AS 4 TO 0? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS GIVEN THE PREVIOUS ONE.

DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? I ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, SO THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE TO ADD IS THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

SINCE YOU DENIED THE ZONING CASES TO DENY THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS. THE MOTION THAT WE WANT TO. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE? NONE. OKAY. OH, SORRY. I HAVE TO OPEN IT AT 826.

I'M TRYING. JIM. AND WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE'LL MOTION TO APPROVE OR CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

TABLE, OR I GUESS IN THIS CASE, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T I I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY ITEM NUMBER.

NUMBER FIVE OKAY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON TO DENY ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS OUR SECOND.

I WILL SECOND. COMMISSIONER FOR A OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF A MOTION TO DENY AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THAT IS APPROVED 4 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON

[6. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request to amend the uses and conceptual layout of a portion of Subdistrict 2 and Subdistrict 3 of Planned Development-67, consisting of 258.3± acres on the west of Preston Road between US 380 (University Drive) and First Street. (ZONE-24-0012)]

THIS IS ONLY CASE 240012. THANK YOU. SO THIS PROPERTY IS A PORTION OF WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE GATES PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THE OUTLINED AREA HERE IS SUBDISTRICTS TWO AND THREE PART OF WHICH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. SO IN REGARDS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, IT IDENTIFIES THE PROPERTY EAST OF BURLINGTON RAIL ROAD AS TOWN CENTER, AND A SMALL PORTION IS INCLUDED ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS DESIGNATED NORTH DALLAS TOLLWAY DISTRICT.

AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO POCKETS OF OF PARK AND FLOODPLAIN DESIGNATIONS WITHIN THE PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST A BOUNDARY OF THE ENTIRE AREA PLUS THE DISTRICTS.

SO ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER FROM LAST YEAR, THE TOWN COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD A JOINT WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO MODIFY THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS IN SUBDISTRICTS TWO AND THREE.

I'LL GO OVER THE PROPOSAL. BUT AT THE TIME WHAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED WAS 600 ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY UNITS WITHIN SUBDISTRICT TWO AND MODIFYING SUBDISTRICT THREE TO ALLOW SOME ALLEY SERVED SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL TOWNHOME LOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT OR THAT SUBDISTRICT.

[01:45:06]

IN THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, THEY'VE KIND OF UPDATED THIS TO REFLECT SOME OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.

FOR INSTANCE, SUBDISTRICT FOUR IS THE STAR VIEW PHASES ONE AND TWO.

SO THAT'S BEEN UPDATED. AND SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL AND SUBDISTRICT ONE.

BUT THERE ARE NO CHANGES REALLY PROPOSED IN THOSE AREAS.

SO SUBDISTRICT TWO IS THE LIFESTYLE CENTER. AND HERE YOU CAN SEE A COMPARISON OF THE PREVIOUS CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THE MULTIFAMILY ON THE NORTHERN SIDE HERE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED ON THIS CORNER AND BEING DEVELOPED ON THE WESTERN CORNER. THE LIFESTYLE CENTER SERVES THE PURPOSE FOR PROVIDING A COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD AND PEDESTRIAN SCALE MIXTURE OF OFFICE, RETAIL, PERSONAL SERVICE, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES ON A SINGLE OR CONTIGUOUS BUILDING SITES.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAIN CHANGE IS THE CENTER PORTION, WHICH IS UNDEVELOPED, AND THIS IS THE THE PORTION OF PROPERTY OF THE SUBDISTRICT THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL 600 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.

SUBDISTRICT THREE IS DOWNTOWN CENTER. IT SERVES THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING AN ACTIVE LIVING AND WORKING COMMUNITY, BENEFITING FROM ITS PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING TOWN CORE AND THE ADJACENT SUBDISTRICTS.

AGAIN, THERE IS QUITE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WELL HERE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED HAS LARGE BLOCKS OF OFFICE AND MIXED USE, WHEREAS THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES THE TOWNHOME, THE TOWNHOME UNITS AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH WOULD BE FRONT ACCESS.

AND I'LL GET INTO THE DIFFERENCES IN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE SUBDISTRICTS AND WHAT IS PROPOSED.

SO TO START WITH THE MULTIFAMILY. THE CURRENT CRITERIA IS A MAXIMUM OF 600 UNITS FOR ALL SUBDISTRICTS, WITH A MAXIMUM OF 600 UNITS IN SUBDISTRICT TWO AND 300 IN SUBDISTRICT THREE.

THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS 1200 UNITS TOTAL FOR ALL DISTRICTS.

THERE'S AN EXISTING 600 UNITS IN SUBDISTRICT TWO, AND THE ADDITIONAL 600 WOULD BE WITHIN THAT SUBDISTRICT AS WELL.

A CLARIFICATION WAS ADDED THAT THE STANDARD TO THE STANDARD THAT THE REQUIREMENT THAT 40% OF THE UNITS HAVE PRIVATE GARAGES IT INDICATES THAT STRUCTURE GARAGES COULD QUALIFY AS PRIVATE GARAGES.

SO THOSE WERE THE CHANGES TO THE MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOME.

THERE IS AN EXISTING CRITERIA FOR TOWNHOME WITH A MAXIMUM OF 150 UNITS FOR ALL SUBDISTRICTS.

THE 100 MAXIMUM 150 DISTRICT. THOSE. SO THOSE UNITS COULD EITHER BE IN BOTH SUBDISTRICT 2 OR 3, WITH KIND OF A COMBINATION OF A TOTAL. IT WOULD BE 150, AND THEY COULD KIND OF EBB AND FLOW WITHIN THE DISTRICTS.

SO AND THEN THE MINIMUM LOT AREA WOULD BE 2500FT².

CURRENTLY, THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THE TOWNHOMES WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED IN EACH SUBJECT DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, THE PROPOSAL AND CONCEPT PLAN HAS THEM WITHIN SUB DISTRICT THREE.

THE MINIMUM LOT AREA WOULD BE 1800 SQUARE FEET, AND THERE IS AN ADDITION TO THE ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS FOR TOWNHOMES THAT THE SIDES OF THE TOWNHOMES ADJACENT TO PUBLIC STREETS AND OPEN SPACES WOULD BE, WOULD BE GREATER THAN THAT.

THE THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A TOWNHOME THAT'S ADJACENT TO AN OPEN SPACE OR A PUBLIC STREET, YOU WANT THAT TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE ENHANCED.

SO THE SINGLE FAMILY CRITERIA ALLOWS FOR 200 MAXIMUM UNITS.

THESE ARE SPECIFICALLY WITHIN SUB DISTRICT FOUR WHICH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR THE STAR VIEW DEVELOPMENT AND STAR VIEW.

PHASES ONE AND TWO CONSISTS OF THE 173 FRONT ENTRY LOTS.

SO AND THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF LOTS CONSISTING OF 8640 SQUARE FOOT AND 9990 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, HOMES OR LOTS. EXCUSE ME. SO WITH THE PROPOSED CRITERIA, THERE WOULD BE NO MAXIMUM ALLOWED ALLOWABLE UNITS IN SUBDISTRICT THREE. SO HOW THIS WORKS IS THAT YOU'VE GOT YOUR EXISTING UNITS IN SUBDISTRICT FOUR, AND THEN SUBDISTRICT THREE COULD HAVE AS MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS COULD FIT ON THAT PROPERTY IF THEY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TOWNHOMES, THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES COULD INCREASE.

BUT THE LIMITATION REALLY ALSO IS DUE TO THE LOT SIZES WHICH WE CAN GO OVER.

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HOWEVER THEY WOULD BE. AND I'LL GET INTO THE, THE SETBACKS HERE.

A CERTAIN SETBACK. SO I'LL JUST GO OVER THESE CRITERIA.

THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL CRITERIA FOR SINGLE FAMILY BUILDINGS WAS ADDED.

THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 55FT WITH A 100 FOOT DEPTH LOT.

AREA MINIMUM IS 6875FT², WITH 1800 SQUARE FOOT DWELLING SIZES AT 40FT AND TWO STOREYS MAXIMUM.

AND THEN THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF LOTS.

THEY CAN BE CENTER LOADED WHERE YOU HAVE THE HOME AND THE CENTER, WITH CERTAIN SETBACKS ON EITHER SIDE THAT WOULD MATCH SEVEN FOOT IN THIS CASE, OR SIDE LOADED, WHICH WE CALL PATIO HOMES. AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE HOME IS ADJACENT TO ONE OF THE SIDE LOTS, AND THEN THAT THERE'S A LARGER SIDE SETBACK ON THE OTHER SIDE, A TEN FOOT SEPARATION MINIMUM.

SO THOSE ARE THE CRITERIA. NOTICES WERE SENT OUT FRIDAY, JULY 25TH.

WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CITIZEN COMMENT. AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

SHOULD THIS BE VOTED ON, IT WOULD GO TO THE TUESDAY, AUGUST 26TH COUNCIL MEETING.

THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION REGARDING THE PROPOSAL, BUT I'LL ALSO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

I HAVE JUST A COUPLE FOR YOU. OKAY. I JUST MAKE SURE I HEARD THIS RIGHT.

ONE OF THE ADJUSTMENTS WAS I THINK IT WAS IN SUBDISTRICT THREE WAS A MINIMUM.

LOTS DROPPING TO 1800 OR MINIMUM LOT SIZES 1800 FROM 2500 FOR THE TOWNHOMES.

YEP. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. AND THEN CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN? SURE. THE OVERALL. LET'S START WITH THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

SO LET'S DO SOME DISTRICT TWO. FIRST OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH OF RICHLAND I THINK THAT IS IS ALREADY GETTING BUILT EVERYTHING OUT OF THE SOUTH. IF YOU CAN KIND OF CLARIFY OR MAYBE THIS IS A BETTER QUOTE.

LET ME PAUSE. IS THIS GOING TO GET COVERED IN THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION? I'M NOT AWARE. I'M SURE HE COULD. OKAY, MAYBE THIS IS A BETTER QUESTION FOR THEM.

MY MY MAIN QUESTION WAS JUST IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF MULTIFAMILY THAT'S PROPOSED ON THE WEST SIDE AS TO THE NORTH, NORTH OF RICHLAND, WHAT'S CURRENTLY GETTING BUILT AND THEN KIND OF WHAT? A LITTLE MORE COLOR TO THE LIFESTYLE CENTER AND TIMING.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD JUST BE, IS THERE ANY TRIGGERS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY VERSUS THE HOTEL OR THE LIFESTYLE CENTER THAT YOU'VE, YOU KNOW OF OR HAVE HAD DISCUSSION, THOUGH? NOT THAT I'M AWARE, BECAUSE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ALREADY CONTAINED A TRIGGER FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL AND THEY'VE ALREADY HIT THAT.

SO I'M NOT AWARE OF AN ADDITIONAL TRIGGER BEING ADDED.

AND THEN ON, CAN YOU GO TO SUBDISTRICT THREE REAL QUICK? SO THERE'S A COUPLE SMALL LITTLE PARKS AND GREENBELTS, BUT NO AMENITY OF ANY VARIETY.

DO YOU KNOW IN SUBDISTRICT FOUR, IS THERE ANY AMENITIES PROVIDED FOR THOSE RESIDENCES? THERE IS NOT AN AMENITY CENTER. THERE'S SOME GREEN AREAS, BUT NOT NOT ANY POCKET PARKS, OF WHICH I AM AWARE.

AND IS THERE AN I APOLOGIZE? THIS WAS A VERY BIG PACKAGE.

WAS THERE A MINIMUM? I THINK YOU SAID IT. MINIMUM SIZE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE SINGLE FAMILY COMPONENT.

WAS IT 86? THAT'S A LOT. SIZES. MINIMUM DWELLING SIZE IS 1800FT².

OKAY, I THINK THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR YOU FOR NOW.

OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE SO ON THE SINGLE FAMILY.

I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE. IS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TOWNHOMES AND PATIO HOMES IN THIS SECTION, OR ARE THESE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES? BOTH. SO THIS THIS SUBDISTRICT, THE WAY THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONCEPT PLAN, THERE IS THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE 150 TOWNHOMES. SO TOWNHOMES HAVE BEEN REPRESENTED ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THIS SUBDISTRICT.

AND THEN THE FRONT ENTRY, WHETHER CENTER LOADED OR SIDE LOADED.

SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE REPRESENTED MOSTLY ON THE EASTERN SIDE.

THE TOWNHOMES, THERE'S NO PARTICULAR LIKE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO 150.

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BUT THERE'S NO MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND DO I UNDERSTAND TOWNHOMES, BY DEFINITION WILL SHARE A WALL? THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO AND THERE'S AND WE AND OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES MAXIMUM OF OUR MAXIMUM OF SEVEN UNITS BEFORE THERE'S A BREAK.

OR HOW DOES THAT WORK. OUR ORDINANCE SIX THREE 3 TO 8 CURRENTLY.

I'LL NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THEIR GUIDELINES AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY ALTERATION TO THAT.

I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. SO ON THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

THOSE ARE. THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS A 55 FOOT LOTS.

SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. CORRECT. ON ALL OF THOSE? YES. OKAY. AND. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN YOU COMMENT ON THE I WAS MAKING SURE YOU WEREN'T ON. I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT I'D CUT YOU OFF. THE.

I THINK THERE'S EIGHT BOXES TO THE NORTH UP ON FIRST.

WHAT ARE THOSE? THOSE AREN'T REALLY LABELED AND DON'T FIT EITHER CRITERIA.

WHAT ARE THOSE INTENDED TO BE? SO SUBDISTRICT THREE CURRENTLY ALLOWS FOR A MIXTURE OF THE TOWNHOMES.

BUT OFFICE A LOT OF OFFICE IS REALLY WHAT IT WAS KIND OF BE KIND OF MORE OF AN OFFICE AREA AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

SO THAT THAT USE IS STILL ALLOWED IN THIS SUBDISTRICT.

IT'S NOT SOLELY RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT POCKETED AREA IS TO THE NORTH IS STILL KIND OF THE NONRESIDENTIAL USES.

OKAY. SO THAT THAT COULD BE OUR AN ALREADY APPROVED USE AND IT COULD CHANGE SHAPE SIZE WHATEVER WITHIN THE.

OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. I HAVE ONE MORE ON THE THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION I GUESS FRONTAGE ALONG COLEMAN.

IT IT FEELS VERY NARROW THAT THESE ARE BUILT RIGHT UP ON COLEMAN AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.

THERE MAY BE SIDEWALKS ON THE EAST SIDE THAT JUST AREN'T SHOWN, BUT ARE ACTUALLY BUILT OR WILL BE BUILT IS THE INTENT THAT THERE'D BE SIDEWALKS ALONG BOTH SIDES AND TYPICAL LIKE WHATEVER OUR TOWN THOROUGHFARE REQUIREMENTS ARE ALONG? YES. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PLAN TO TO NOT HAVE OUR TYPICAL SIDEWALKS ON EACH SIDE.

I JUST THOUGHT I'D WRITE. UNDERSTAND? OKAY. SORRY.

THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. AND AGAIN I REALIZE TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THIS IN THE APPLICANT MAY ADDRESS THIS, BUT ON THE LONG FIRST STREET THERE'S ALONG THE TOP THERE YOU SEE TOWNHOMES.

ARE THOSE ACTUALLY FRONTING ON FIRST STREET. IS THAT WHAT THE PLAN IS TO FRONT SOME ON FIRST STREET? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A ROAD. THERE IS A ROAD HERE.

IT'S IT'S HARD TO SEE AND BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LINE HERE THAT IDENTIFIES AN ALLEYWAY.

SO I KNOW THAT'S GREEN AND IT LOOKS LIKE LANDSCAPING, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S AN ALLEYWAY.

SO THEY WOULD ACTUALLY ACCESS THE REAR. OKAY.

I'LL LET THE APPLICANT EXPLAIN FOR ME THE CONCEPT.

THANK YOU. YEAH. AND AGAIN, IT LOOKS LIKE IN ADDITION TO THAT, ALL OF THESE ACTUALLY ARE GREEN.

BUT THOSE WOULD BE ALLEYWAYS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. ALL RIGHT. IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT.

OKAY. I'D LOVE TO. THANK YOU. DO I HAVE TO OPEN THE HEARING FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. THE APPLICANT WILL DO THE PRESENTATION. YEAH.

GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS SCOTT SHIPP. I'M WITH BLUE STAR LAND, 8000 WARREN PARKWAY, FRISCO, TEXAS, 75034. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE STARTED THIS PROCESS.

AND SO I DON'T HAVE A LARGE PRESENTATION FOR YOU BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF BEAT THIS ONE UP FOR FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW, AND, AND WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU GUYS AND FROM COUNSEL FROM STAFF AND APPLY THAT OVER THE LAST YEAR, REALLY TO YOU KNOW, OVER DIFFERENT STEPS OF WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES WITH THE VARIOUS GROUPS TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY. A FEW THINGS I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO JUST KIND OF FREEWHEEL AND I'M GOING TO ADDRESS, TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF Y'ALL'S QUESTIONS, AND THEN I'LL ALLOW YOU TO HAVE TIME TO ASK ME MORE QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

BUT BUT GENERALLY LET'S SEE IF I HAVE THE MOUSE IS WORKING HERE.

SO JUST TO KIND OF STEP BACK A MINUTE ON, WE'LL START WITH SUB DISTRICT THREE, SINCE THAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S HERE BEFORE US.

AND WITH REGARDS TO THE SINGLE FAMILY, HOW WE GOT HERE.

WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED 15 YEARS AGO. WE ENVISIONED THIS AREA MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY SOMEDAY,

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COMPLEMENTING THE GATES. PROSPER. WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IS THAT THOSE OFFICE, THOSE HOSPITALS AND MEDICAL OFFICES HAVE MOVED OUT TO THE MAJOR ROADS.

AND SO WE SAID THAT'S THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.

YOU KNOW, I SAT THROUGH A PRESENTATION SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DID, TOO, WITH THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT AND HEARD THAT THE TOWN CURRENTLY HAS WHAT THEY SAY OVER 50 YEARS OF OFFICE SPACE THAT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED IN THEIR CURRENT ZONING.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE SAME THINGS THAT WE'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION TO, IS THAT THERE WAS WAY TOO MUCH OFFICE, AND WE WERE NEVER GOING TO DEVELOP THAT AT THIS LOCATION.

SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER POSSIBILITIES THERE WERE.

WE'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT THE MAJOR IMPETUS THAT YOU NEED FOR ANY TYPE OF MAJOR MIXED USE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT IS HAVING PEOPLE, USERS TO COME IN TO YOU KNOW, MAKE USE OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

WE WE HAVE THE SUBDISTRICT JUST TO THE EAST THERE OF COLEMAN ROAD, AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

WE HAVE ABOUT 174 LOTS, I BELIEVE, THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THEIR ORIGINAL ENTITLEMENT WAS 200. AS WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS TO FILL IN HERE.

WE DON'T NEED MORE RETAIL IN THE TOWN. WE DON'T BELIEVE.

WE THINK WE'VE GOT ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF RETAIL.

WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE BEATING DOORS DOWN, TRYING TO GET WHAT WE'VE GOT FILLED AND TO GET THE THIS NEXT STAGE SET FOR THE TOWN CENTER LIFESTYLE CENTER. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL MADE A LOT OF SENSE.

WHAT WE PROPOSED TO DO ALL LAST YEAR WAS TO ACTUALLY TO GO WITH SOME 40 AND 50 FOOT LOTS, WHICH WE, WE FEEL STILL FEEL VERY HIGHLY THAT THAT WOULD BE A VERY, VERY NICE COMPLIMENT TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, TO THE GATES OF PROSPER, TO THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THIS URBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

HOWEVER, WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE TOWN YOU KNOW PNC AND COUNCIL WAS IN FAVOR OF SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD THERE AND TOOK THE ADVICE AND INCREASED THE LOT SIZES THERE TO 50 FIVES.

I DID HEAR THE LAST PRESENTATION. DON'T DON'T WORRY, I, I WAS LISTENING.

HOWEVER, I WILL ALSO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO TO STATE THAT THAT WITH THE THE LOTS THAT WE'RE ALREADY BUILDING OVER TO THE EAST AND, AND THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT SITS IN RELATION TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, TO THE TO THE GATES OF PROSPER ITSELF, TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, TO ALL THESE THINGS.

WE DO STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THAT'S A VERY GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY AND A VERY GOOD SIZE OF LOTS.

WE THINK THAT THAT ON THE LOTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN STAR TRAIL, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 55 FOOT LOTS, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT THEY HAVE SERVED WELL TO COMPLIMENT THE TOWN OF PROSPER.

AND WE THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY OVER THERE HAS BEEN WELL SERVED BY THOSE LOTS.

WE DON'T WE DON'T FEEL I KNOW, I KNOW, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CROWDING FEELING.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE I'VE TOLD THE STORY A HUNDRED TIMES HOW WE TOOK COUNCIL PEOPLE ON A TOUR 15 YEARS AGO, 14 YEARS AGO, WHATEVER IT WAS, BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOT SIZES THAT WE WERE BRINGING TO STAR TRAIL.

SO WE TOOK THEM TO ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO SHOW YOU AROUND.

AND AFTER WE AFTER THEY GOT A GOOD LOOK AT THAT DEVELOPMENT AND SAID HOW GREAT IT ALL WAS.

THEY SAID, WELL, CAN YOU TAKE US AND SHOW US THOSE 55 FOOT LOTS? SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. AND AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT REALLY STRUCK HOME WITH ME BECAUSE I HEAR A LOT I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT 55 IS TOO SMALL. YOU KNOW, 60 IS TOO SMALL TO SOME PEOPLE, 70 IS TOO SMALL TO SOME PEOPLE.

EVERYBODY'S GOT BUT BUT THE THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THE THE QUALITY IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING.

AND WE THINK THAT'S, THAT'S COMPLEMENTARY TO THE TOWN OF PROSPER, THE QUALITY OF THE BUILDERS THAT WE BRING AND THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT IT WILL SERVE WELL IN THIS LOCATION.

AS I MENTIONED, THE THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, THIS IS OUR WHO KNOWS 23RD RENDERING OF THIS SITE PLAN.

IT PROBABLY WON'T GET BUILT EXACTLY LIKE THIS.

WHAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE KEY FEATURES THAT WE, WE FEEL STRONGLY TO, OF INCLUDING IN THIS ARE THE EXTENSION OF

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ULTIMATELY IT ENDS UP IN THE TOWN CENTER, WHICH WE THINK WILL BE A, YOU KNOW, VERY, YOU KNOW, VERY NICE LINK WITH THE DOWNTOWN AREA. OUR PLAN IS IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN, BUT OUR OUR PLAN IS TO DEVELOP THAT STREET WITH WIDE SIDE YARDS, WITH WIDE PATHWAY, LANDSCAPED PATHWAY TO MAKE IT A VERY WALKABLE AND AND DESIRED WALK, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA DOWN TO THE GATES.

PROSPER ALONG THE WAY. WE INTEND TO HAVE THESE PARKS, YOU KNOW, WE THIS PARK THAT WE HAVE SHOWN HERE IN THE MIDDLE WHETHER IT'S IN THAT EXACT LOCATION OR, YOU KNOW, OR THAT CONFIGURATION IS YET TO BE SEEN.

BUT WE DO FEEL STRONGLY THAT IT WILL BE LINKED TO THAT TRAIL SYSTEM DOWN THE ROAD WHICH WILL TAKE YOU DOWN TO THE NEXT AREA OF PARKS AND THEN PARKS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE DOWN AT THE MULTIFAMILY AND THEN ON DOWN TO THE FURTHER PARKS DOWN AT THE TOWN CENTER.

THOSE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT FOR THE GATES.

PROSPER WE WANT TO STICK WITH THAT THEME. THIS AREA UP TO THE NORTH ALONG FIRST STREET.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION YES, THIS SITE PLAN DOES SHOW SOME TOWNHOMES ALONG FIRST STREET.

NOW, WILL WE BUILD THEM THAT WAY? I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT.

I CAN ONLY TELL YOU THAT OUR ARCHITECT CAME UP WITH A CONCEPT.

YOU KNOW, WE YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE 150 TOWNHOMES SHOWN ON THIS SITE PLAN AND WE DON'T HAVE 150 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN EITHER. JUST JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW. BUT WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DRAW WHAT A REASONABLE CONCEPT WITH GENERAL GUIDANCE TO KEEP THE TOWNHOMES OVER CLOSER TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THE SINGLE FAMILY OVER TO THE EASTERN SIDE.

AND THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS ONE OF MANY RENDERINGS OF THAT.

AND WE FELT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, CLOSE ENOUGH TO GETTING THERE TO, TO PUT INTO THIS CONCEPT PLAN THE AREA UP ALONG FIRST STREET WHERE THESE, THESE BRICKS ARE. I WILL SAY THAT THAT'S PROBABLY MY LEAST FAVORITE OF OF THE WAY IT GOT THE WAY IT ENDED UP IN HERE TO KIND OF FILL YOU IN ON WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. WE'VE BEEN IN TALKS WITH SOME OF THE STAFF AND WITH SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SOME OTHER MEMBERS HERE AT THE TOWN CONCERNING THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE TOWN IS INTERESTED IN DOING A SENIOR CENTER OR A FORGIVE ME IF I USE THE WRONG WORD.

A GATHERING CENTER FOR SENIORS AND OUR SENIOR ACTIVITY.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS CALL IT, AND ALSO EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A LIBRARY OVER IN THIS AREA.

YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, IN OUR AGREEMENT, OUR FINANCIAL AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF PROSPER, WE HAVE A AN ALLOWANCE IN THERE THAT ALLOWS US TO ESSENTIALLY DONATE LAND, WHICH WE HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRE STATION AND STUFF PREVIOUSLY AND FOR WATER TOWER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WHEREAS WE CAN I SHOULDN'T USE THE WORD DONATE, BUT ESSENTIALLY WE'RE TRADING THAT PROPERTY FOR MUNICIPAL USES IN EXCHANGE FOR PARKLAND DEDICATION. IN THIS CASE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EVEN THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED ACTUALLY DEVELOPING THESE PROPERTIES FOR YOU GUYS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'LL GO RIGHT NOW, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S THAT'S OUT THERE.

AND THEN TO ALSO ADD, YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT OUR THE PINK LINE ESSENTIALLY REPRESENTS OUR PROPERTY LINE.

THE SO THE PROPERTY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT THE LITTLE GAP TOOTH IN THERE.

THAT'S PROPERTY THAT THE TOWN EDC OWNS CURRENTLY.

THEY ARE ALSO WORKING WITH US AND INTERESTED IN DOING SOME SORT OF A DEAL WITH REGARDS TO THIS FACILITY THAT I'M SPEAKING OF.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON THERE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY.

AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE WE'VE FILLING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO LAND DEVELOPMENT, YOU, YOU WANT TO DO WHAT WE CALL SEGMENTING THE, THE MARKET. YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING. ONE ACRE LOTS, EVERYTHING 85 FOOT LOTS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY OUT IN THE MARKET DOESN'T WANT 85 FOOT LOT. AS WE, AS WE MENTIONED. SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS SEGMENT THAT MARKET SO THAT WE HAVE A PRODUCT THAT SUITS A PORTION OF THE MARKET. AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS FILLED A GAP BETWEEN THE TOWNHOMES AND WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE TO THE EAST, WHICH IS THE 60 FOURS AND 70 FOURS. SO THIS IS A GAP PRODUCT.

AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE THE STORY ON SUBDISTRICT THREE.

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UNLESS YOU WANT TO STOP THERE AND ASK ANSWER ANY I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU ON SUBDISTRICT THREE WHICH IS GOOD.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE THEM? KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.

YEAH. OKAY. SUBDISTRICT TWO. AS SUZANNE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE 600 MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES THAT ARE WELL UNDERWAY ON THE NORTH END OF THE SITE THERE.

THE THIS SECOND PHASE WILL BE FINISHING UP OVER IN KIND OF STAGGERED OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AS THEY FINISH, YOU KNOW, FINISH A BUILDING AT A TIME. THE THE OVERALL TOWN CENTER, AS WE'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, WHEN WE CAME BACK AND MADE THIS INITIAL REQUEST OF, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO NOW, WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT IT UP, THAT WE FELT STRONGLY THAT WE NEEDED TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY.

THAT'S THE RESPONSE WE'RE GETTING FROM THE MARKETPLACE WHEN WE TRY TO BRING IN SOME OF THE MAJOR TENANTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO, THE TO FILL INTO THE LIFESTYLE CENTER, WHEN WE'VE GONE OUT TO THE MARKET AND GONE TO THE ICSC SHOWS AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL IS COMING FROM, WHERE, WHERE THE WHERE THE PEOPLE, THE WE'RE THE FULL TIME RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE IN THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE YOU KNOW, MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE LEGACY IN THE LEGACY WEST.

YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE LARGE CAPACITY OF MULTI-FAMILY WITHIN THEM.

AND THE REASON THEY'RE SO SUCCESSFUL IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT FULL TIME RESIDENTIAL BASE THAT ARE EATING AT THEIR RESTAURANTS, PLAYING IN THEIR RECREATIONAL AREAS GOING TO THE RETAIL SHOPS AND SO FORTH.

YOU KNOW, WE WE HEAR THAT AND WHEN WE'VE WHEN WE TRIED TO SAY, WELL, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN THE ANSWER. WE'VE THEY LIKE, WE'VE GOT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IN ORDER FOR US TO WANT TO BE THERE.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT WE'RE BRINGING.

WE WE CAME TO THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO AND TALKED ABOUT THE, THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT THAT WE'D LIKE TO ADD IN THIS AREA.

WE STARTED OFF ASKING FOR A MUCH LARGER NUMBER, AS YOU MAY RECALL.

AND WE'VE NOW, YOU KNOW, DROPPED THAT DOWN TO ESSENTIALLY TWO PHASES IS HOW WE LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, 300 TO 300 UNIT PHASES, APPROXIMATELY.

THEY WON'T BE EXACTLY, I'M SURE, BUT THE CAP WILL BE 600 ON THEM.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE CONSTRUCTED OVER 1,000,000FT² OF RETAIL IN THE TOWN OF PROSPER.

IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT PRODUCT FOR THE TOWN PROVIDED LOTS OF GOOD USES AND LOTS OF GOOD TAX DOLLARS.

AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THIS AND, AND AND BRING THAT UP A LEVEL.

AND THAT'S THE GOAL HERE IS TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS UP A LEVEL.

IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. WE'VE HELD OUT THAT IN THAT ENTIRE AREA FOR THE LAST 12 OR 15 YEARS, FOR THIS DAY, YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULD COME AND DO THE LIFESTYLE CENTER THAT WE ALWAYS WANTED.

AND YOU KNOW THAT WHAT THAT IS HAS EVOLVED OVER THOSE 15 YEARS.

MATTER OF FACT, EVEN THE PREVIOUS SEVERAL YEARS WHEN WE FIRST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S EVOLVED FROM FROM MANY DIFFERENT CONCEPTS TRYING TO TRYING TO CATCH THAT, THAT DREAM OF WHAT THAT IS.

AND SO WE'RE HERE NOW, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT.

WE THINK THAT WE CAN GET THE THE TENANTS THAT THE TOWN WILL BE PROUD OF AND THAT WE'LL BE PROUD OF TO AS AN ADDITION TO THE LIFESTYLE CENTER WITH YOU KNOW, WITH BRINGING THE REST OF THIS TO FRUITION. AND SO WE'VE WE'VE PUT THE APARTMENTS BACK IN THE YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE RAILROAD TRACKS. WE TRIED TO PUT THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE NOT FRONT AND CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE WE'VE PUSHED THIS STYLE TO MORE OF AN URBAN STYLE, WHICH WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, THE TERM FOUR STOREY WRAP GETS THROWN AROUND A LOT.

THIS IS A FOUR STORY WRAP. IT'S JUST NOT WRAPPED AROUND AN APARTMENT, A PARKING GARAGE.

IT'S WRAPPED AROUND A PARKING LOT. AND SO THE EXTERIOR VISION IS THE SAME.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO BY LOOKS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHETHER OR NOT IT HAD A GARAGE OR NOT.

ESSENTIALLY, YOU WON'T SEE, YOU KNOW. NOW, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO PEEK THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE AND SEE THE PARKING? YES, BUT BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A BROAD PARKING FIELD AS YOU DRIVE PAST THESE APARTMENTS.

THE ONE THING THAT I WILL POINT OUT THAT WE DID, THERE WAS AN ERROR AND THAT WE DIDN'T CATCH TILL YESTERDAY.

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BUT THAT IS THE THERE WAS A LEFTOVER WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SEPARATE THIS.

THESE APARTMENTS ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT.

THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR TUCK UNDER GARAGES BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BUILDINGS ARE SPLIT UP AND SEPARATED, AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE ONLY THREE STOREYS SO YOU CAN GET A LOT HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF TUCK UNDER GARAGES WITHIN A BUILDING WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MUCH SPACE.

THESE BUILDINGS, THESE NEW BUILDINGS, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SITE PLAN, YOU CAN STAY THERE.

IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, I KNOW IT'S SMALL, BUT THE SHADED AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THOSE BUILDINGS ARE THE ARE THE AREAS THAT WOULD ALLOW IN THIS CONCEPT FOR TUCK UNDER GARAGES.

NOW KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE FOUR STOREY BUILDINGS.

SO THE PERCENTAGE OF PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE WITHIN THE BUILDING IS LESS JUST BY SHEER MATH.

AND SO THE THERE WON'T WE CAN'T MAINTAIN A 40% PARKING GARAGE COUNT FOR THIS STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO. SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT THAT RULE WAS INTENDED FOR THE APARTMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.

AND WE'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THIS, TO DO THIS STYLE OF APARTMENTS WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN.

SO WE'LL NOT. WE'LL NOT. WE WILL PUT EVERY GARAGE WE CAN POSSIBLY FIT OUT THERE.

I'LL PUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE WE PREFER WE'D LOVE TO GIVE EVERY UNIT A GARAGE, BUT IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE.

BUT WE WILL GIVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE GARAGES THAT, THAT WE CAN PHYSICALLY FIT UNDER THE BUILDINGS.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK I'VE. SOUNDS LIKE MY TIME'S UP.

SO. I'M GOING TO LET YOU GUYS ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON EITHER EITHER ONE OF THESE SUBDISTRICTS. WHO WANTS TO KICK US OFF? I'M SURE COMMISSIONER HAS A FEW.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO ON THE APARTMENTS HERE IN SUB DISTRICT TWO.

YES, SIR. OUR OUR NEW APARTMENT STANDARDS. OKAY.

WHICH INCLUDE WHICH REQUIRE WRAPAROUND AROUND A PARKING GARAGE.

YOU'VE EXPLAINED THAT THAT IT'S WRAPPED AROUND GROUND PARKING, I GUESS.

CORRECT. NOT A PARKING GARAGE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER? ARE WE ARE THEY OTHERWISE MEETING ALL OF THE STANDARDS OF THE NEW APARTMENT STANDARDS THAT WE'VE RECENTLY ADOPTED? I'M PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME HELP FROM DAVID TO KNOW IF I IF I DO OR NOT.

I HAVE NOT THOROUGHLY REVIEWED THEM, BUT I WOULD THINK SO.

OKAY. AND THEN RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE APARTMENTS BETWEEN THE TWO NEW, THE THE TWO NEW, AND THERE'S A BIG PARKING LOT THERE. IS THAT IS THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY THERE'S A HOTEL THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT SMALL BUILDING THAT'S BETWEEN THEM.

THAT IS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL THAT IS IN OUR CONCEPT.

OKAY. THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE TOWN.

A SMALL HOTEL WITH A SMALL CONFERENCE CENTER.

IN THAT POSITION THERE. AND SO THAT'S THAT PARKING SERVES THAT BUILDING.

OKAY. AND SO NOW IN THE IN THE STANDARDS FOR THE, IN THE PD HERE, IT, IT SAYS THAT 40% OF THE GARAGES HAVE TO BE PRIVATE GARAGES. AND THEN, AND THEN YOU'VE ADDED THAT THE GROUND PARKING OR THAT THE IS IS COUNTS AS THOSE PRIVATE GARAGES.

IS THAT CORRECT. WELL ACTUALLY WHAT I JUST THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T THAT THAT WAS A LEFTOVER FROM THE NORTHERN SECTION OF APARTMENT.

WE WON'T WE WON'T MEET 40% GARAGES ON THIS ON THESE APARTMENTS.

OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT BUT THE FIX TO THAT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENTS WAS THE ADDITION THAT THE THE REGULAR PARKING.

THE OTHER PARKING RIGHT QUALIFIES AS PRIVATE GARAGE.

WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SAID, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY STATED WAS THAT IF A PARKING STRUCTURE OF ANY KIND WAS BUILT THAT WOULD MEET ANY GARAGE, IT WOULD QUALIFY TOWARDS THAT.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO BUILD ANY STRUCTURED PARKING NEITHER.

WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THESE GARAGES WILL HAVE, LIKE I SAID, AS MANY TUCK UNDER STYLE GARAGES AS WE CAN PHYSICALLY FIT, BUT THE NUMBER WILL NOT MEET 40% OF THE UNDERSTANDS.

YEAH. AND THEN IS ARE THERE ANY STANDARDS FOR, FOR THESE NEW APARTMENTS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD?

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ARE YOU THE TRIGGER? YEAH, THE TRIGGER KIND OF THING.

DO WE HAVE ANY TRIGGERS HERE BEFORE YOU CAN START BUILDING THESE NEW APARTMENTS UNDER THIS? WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE WE HAVE A TRIGGER IN THERE FOR A TOTAL NUMBER OF SO WE, YOU KNOW, I'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME HISTORY. THE ORIGINAL APARTMENTS, WE HAD A MINIMUM OF 300,000FT² OF RETAIL HAD TO BE BUILT BEFORE WE BUILT THE FIRST APARTMENTS. WE BUILT 600,000FT² BEFORE WE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT STARTING ANY APARTMENTS.

MATTER OF FACT, WE WERE ACTUALLY ON PHASE TWO, SO WE WERE WELL INTO THE 800,000FT² RANGE BEFORE WE EVEN BEGAN.

SO. SO WE ECLIPSED ALL THE TRIGGERS THAT WERE ALREADY IN PLACE.

AND, YOU KNOW, SO SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, SO THE OVERALL I GUESS THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO, WE DON'T HAVE A ANY IMPLIED TRIGGERS OF THE SPECIFIC LIFESTYLE CENTER THAT THAT ACCOUNT AGAINST.

BECAUSE AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IF WE'RE OUT IN THE MARKET TRYING TO DRAW A TENANT TO THE LIFESTYLE CENTER, BUT THE TENANT SAYS, OH, YOU MEAN IF YOU GET ME AND THREE OTHER PEOPLE, THEN YOU CAN BUILD SOME APARTMENTS. BUT WHAT IF YOU DON'T GET THOSE OTHER GUYS? I'M NOT GOING TO COMMIT TO COMING THERE BECAUSE IT'S THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE THEY DON'T LIKE.

I SAID, IF THAT'S WHAT'S DRAWING THEM TO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, THEN WE CAN'T USE THAT IN OUR SALES PITCH TO DRAW THEM TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

I'M LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR 600 MORE APARTMENTS.

YEAH. JUST SOMETHING THAT I GET AND GET IN RETURN FOR THAT.

BASICALLY, THE CITY GETS IN RETURN. AND TO ME, THE TRIGGER FOR SOME PORTION OF THE LIFESTYLE CENTER WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WE HAD A CHICKEN AND EGG SITUATION HERE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT IS A PROBLEM, I GUESS. AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE FACETIOUS, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE YOU A LIFESTYLE CENTER IN EXCHANGE FOR 600 APARTMENTS. OKAY. AND THEN MY OTHER COMMENT, AND IS ON SUBDISTRICT THREE, AND I WOULD AND IT'S YOU YOU PROBABLY ALREADY SHOULD KNOW.

WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 55 FOOT LOTS.

FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, I JUST, I JUST THINK I SEE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY OVER THERE, IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR THAT. I UNDERSTAND YOU WOULD NEED SOMETHING. NOT THE OFFICE. THE OLD OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO WORK, BUT A CONTINUATION OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE OVER IN THE. THE OTHER SUBDISTRICT WAS AT 1 OR 4, WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES ARE A CONTINUATION OF THAT UP TO THE POINT OF THE TOWNHOMES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH I THINK FITS WELL TO TO HAVE AT LEAST THE 60 FOOT OR GREATER LOT.

BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 55 FOOT LOTS I STILL DO, SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN.

I CAN'T I CAN'T CHANGE YOUR STRIPES, YOU KNOW.

I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. MR.. GOOD EVENING. JUST A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS HERE, ONE OF WHICH YOU ALREADY ANSWERED.

SO KUDOS TO YOU FOR THAT. SO ON ON THE CONCEPT PLAN ITSELF FOR SUB DISTRICT THREE.

DO YOU KNOW IN MY APOLOGIES IF IT'S IN THE PACKET WHAT THE AMOUNT OF SHOWN TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS ON THIS CONCEPT.

YOU KNOW THAT'S I WAS I WAS SITTING OVER THERE A WHILE AGO BECAUSE I WAS LIKE THINKING THAT THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU.

I KNOW THE NUMBER IS PROBABLY, I THINK, THE TOWNHOMES.

I WANT TO SAY WE WERE IN THE 130 COUNT RANGE ON THERE, AND PROBABLY SIMILAR ON THOSE SINGLE FAMILIES THAT ARE SHOWN IS MY RECOLLECTION. BUT DON'T WRITE THAT DOWN. I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE I SAID, I CAN GET IT FOR YOU.

I JUST I DIDN'T I DIDN'T BRING IT. GOT IT. THANK YOU.

THE QUESTION THAT YOU ANSWERED WAS I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT CHANGED BETWEEN THE LAST APPROVAL AND THE NEW REQUEST THAT, YOU KNOW, LED TO THE REQUEST FOR THE 600 MULTIFAMILY UNITS? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR ANSWER IS THE MARKET IS JUST TELLING YOU THAT.

OKAY. SO. YEAH. AND WHAT I WOULD. AND JUST IF WE HOLD THERE FOR A MOMENT, IF YOU JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ANY, AT ANY LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FIREFLY DEVELOPMENT ACROSS 380, WHAT'S COMING IN

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ALL OF THE SUCCESSFUL. WELL, ALL I WON'T EVEN SAY SUCCESSFUL.

ALL OF THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT OR THEY'RE NOT BEING BUILT.

SO THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS IF YOU CAN JUST EXPLAIN THE LIFESTYLE CENTER PORTION OF THIS CONCEPT A LITTLE MORE.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS GENERALLY OBVIOUSLY, BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO GIVE MORE SPECIFICS OR MORE OF A CONCEPT, THAT WILL BE HELPFUL, BECAUSE WITH ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT A GREAT DEVELOPMENT AND YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB WITH THESE THINGS.

YOU KNOW, ON THE ONE HAND, YOU HAVE BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.

AND ON THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE A LITTLE BIT GUARDED, ESPECIALLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, THIS MANY MULTIFAMILY UNITS IS BEING CONSIDERED WHERE ON THE ONE HAND, IT'S BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME IN.

ON THE OTHER, IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, VOTE FOR THE BILL SO YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT'S IN THE BILL. SURE.

YOU KNOW WHERE WE KIND OF DON'T KNOW. SO IF THERE'S ANY MORE LIGHT YOU CAN SHED ON THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL.

SO I MEAN, WHAT I CAN ALL I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WHAT IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR WHAT DIFFERENTIATES IT FROM WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY.

IT'S JUST MOVING TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF TENANTS.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE MOVING TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF OF HOUSING.

YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU GO FROM FROM YOUR YOUR STARTER HOME TO YOUR MOVE UP HOME, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE UP TENANTS AND THAT WE WANT TO ATTRACT, YOU KNOW, TO THIS TO THIS AREA.

AND LIKE I SAID, THE TENANTS LIKE YOU DO SEE YOU KNOW, IN THE THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER, THE TENANTS WERE COMPETING DIRECTLY AGAINST THEM.

SO WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING EQUIVALENT TO DRAW THEM HERE OR THEY HAVE NO REASON TO.

GOTCHA. I THINK MY LAST QUESTION, IT BUILDS A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT COMMISSIONER BLAND SAID MENTIONED REGARDING THE THE LOTS.

I SIMILAR TO THE LAST CASE, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE 55 FOOT LOTS, BUT STILL FEEL LIKE IT WOULD PROBABLY FEEL TIGHT, SO IT'S NOT GREAT. WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO EFFECTIVELY JUST TAKING STAR VIEW AND EXPANDING THAT DOWN? AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'LL PROBABLY SAY, WELL, NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE NEXT TO A RAILROAD TRACK.

WELL, BUT IF YOU LOOK UP THE RAILROAD TRACK, THERE'S HOUSES THAT BUMP UP RIGHT AGAINST IT.

THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING EVENTUALLY SELLS.

YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY THAT I WORKED ON SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE HOUSES AGAINST THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

I MEAN, I'VE BUILT DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE HAVE HOUSES AGAINST SUBSTATIONS.

LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING WILL EVENTUALLY SELL.

SO YOU JUST GOT TO DROP THE PRICE UNTIL THEY COME.

OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S HOW OUR MARKET WORKS. AND SO IN WHAT I SAID EARLIER WHEN I SAID, YOU DON'T WANT TO BUILD A DEVELOPMENT TO ALL THE SAME SIZED LOTS, WELL, YOU CAN IF YOU DON'T MIND WAITING FOR SEVERAL YEARS FOR THOSE LOTS TO TO SELL.

OR IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DROP YOUR PRICE TO A, YOU KNOW, A LESS PROFITABLE DEVELOPMENT.

SO SO WHEN I SAY THAT, I'M SAYING IN A GOOD MARKET IN MAKING GOOD BUSINESS SENSE IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I'M SAYING YOU WANT TO SEGMENT THE MARKET AND YOU WANT TO CAPTURE THE MARKET.

YES, YOU CAN GO BUILD AN ENTIRE TOWN THAT HAS ONE ACRE LOT REQUIREMENTS.

I CAN PROBABLY SHOW YOU SOME IN THE IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA.

THEY TOOK YEARS TO DEVELOP OUT AND NOW THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT WHERE'S OUR RETAIL, WHERE'S OUR, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S OUR SCHOOLS? YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS THAT THAT DON'T, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ALL WANT TO LIVE IN A YOU KNOW, I SAID IN SOME OF THE EARLY PLANNING MEETINGS BACK IN 2012 WHEN THE TOWN WAS TRYING TO DEVELOP THEIR CURRENT LAND USE PLAN PLAYING AND JUST LISTENED IN AS A CONCERN AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT ARE. WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR UP HERE? AND IT WAS EASY, EVERYBODY, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THIS TOWN WAS EAST OF PRESTON, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIVED IN BIG LOTS, THEY MOVED OUT HERE.

ALL THIS STUFF OVER HERE WAS WHEAT FIELDS AND MILO FIELDS, AND THEY LIKED IT THAT WAY.

AND, AND AND SO WHAT THEY REPEATEDLY SAID WAS, WE LIKE WHEN WE COME HOME, WHEN WE'RE DRIVING PAST THE CORN FIELDS AND DRIVING PAST THE WHEAT FIELDS TO GET TO OUR HOUSE. AND I SAID, I SEE THAT, AND I LIKE THAT, TOO.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT BIG LOTS.

SO. SO YOU'RE GOING TO DRIVE HOME PAST A BUNCH OF BIG LOTS BEFORE YOU GET TO YOUR HOUSE? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE DRIVING PAST COWS AND WHEAT FIELDS ANYMORE.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE DRIVING PAST ONE ACRE LOTS.

THAT MAY JUST BE A BIG ONE ACRE LOT, WITH A HOUSE SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND A BIG YARD TO MOW.

BUT GOING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHY DIDN'T WE JUST EXPAND IT? IT'S BECAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE DEVELOPERS AND WE DO TRY TO CAPTURE THE BUSINESS, AND WE DO TRY TO SEGMENT THE MARKET.

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SO THAT THAT ACTUALLY LED TO A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. SO IN IN STAR VIEW WE'VE GOT 74 AND 64 CORRECT.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO IN YOUR MIND THIS IS KIND OF DROPPING THE TEN FEET DOWN TO 55.

BUT WITH NOTHING ABOVE 55. CORRECT. BECAUSE THIS THIS IS GOING DOWN.

IT'S GOING DOWNWARD TO THE NEXT LEVEL WHICH WILL BE THE TOWNHOMES. AND THEN ULTIMATELY YOU GO DOWN, YOU'RE IN THE MULTIFAMILY. SO LIKE I SAID THEN YOU'RE YOU'VE KIND OF COVERED THE, THE CIRCUIT OF WHAT WOULD BE IN THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO OUR START TRAIL DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE GOT FOUR MAJOR LOT SIZES.

WE'VE GOT 55, 65, 75 AND 85, ROUGHLY. AND WE'VE GOT FIVE BUILDERS.

AND SO THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS, BUT BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT CAPTURES A LOT OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS A HOUSING TYPE FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT POTENTIAL USERS. AND SO, SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING OVER HERE.

WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO REMOVING THE TOWNHOMES.

OH SO THE THE TOWNHOME IS A FLEXIBLE LIKE I SAID I'LL TELL YOU, I'LL PUT IT THIS WAY.

BLUE STAR HAS NEVER DEVELOPED A SINGLE TOWNHOME THAT I'M AWARE OF.

IS THAT TRUE? YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS AGO I COULD SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT APARTMENTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY THAT ANYMORE. BUT. SO WE'RE NOT BIG TOWNHOME DEVELOPERS.

WE DO BELIEVE IN QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'VE BEEN SCOURING ON EVERY TRIP I TAKE, EVERY TRIP JOE TAKES.

WE'RE TAKING PICTURES AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT TOWNHOME STYLES, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO THAT'S UNIQUE, AND WE'LL COMPLIMENT DOWNTOWN, PROSPER, AND FILL THAT NICHE THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. GOT IT.

AWESOME. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR THOSE ANSWERS. THAT'S HELPFUL. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S JUST GOING TO COME DOWN TO TO WHETHER OR NOT WE FEEL LIKE WHAT YOU KNOW, IF THE CHANGES TO SUBDISTRICT THREE ARE JUSTIFY THE ADDITIONAL APARTMENT UNITS.

AND IN SUBDISTRICT TWO, I THINK IT WILL BE AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION AS THAT DEVELOPS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOR COMMISSIONER HAMILTON. IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S A TON OF CHANGE THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER. CHANGE. THE ONLY CHANGE IS THE LOT SIZE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

YEAH. AND I THINK I STRUGGLE WITH A COUPLE THINGS, AND I THINK I'LL JUST REITERATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.

YOU KNOW, THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE THAT WE HAVE NOW AND THAT IN THIS PART IS GARDEN STYLE AND ACTUALLY YOU'RE FINISHING ANOTHER PHASE OF GARDEN STYLE, WHICH IS NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE LIKE AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OUR TOWN.

AND THEN THE NEW APARTMENTS SEEM TO BE LIKE A HYBRID.

IT'S NOT OUR WRAPPED THAT WE ARE DESIRING AND IT'S BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY GARDEN, SO IT'S SOMETHING IN BETWEEN, IS THERE? IS THERE A REASON OR THAT YOU SETTLED ON THIS STYLE FOR THIS AREA? VERSUS OUR WRAPPED DESIRE? SURE. AND TO THAT POINT, LIKE, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY EVEN THIS LAST PHASE THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW, WHY YOU DIDN'T THINK TO CHANGE THAT, LIKE OUT OF A GARDEN STYLE INTO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE SELLABLE LONG TERM? CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT? WELL, GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS AND MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING AWAY FROM IT.

MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING AWAY FROM GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS BECAUSE LONGEVITY WISE, THEY DON'T HOLD THEIR VALUE AS MUCH.

SO THE APARTMENTS THAT YOU'RE THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW ARE GARDEN STYLE.

AND WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS? I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THAT INFORMATION. WELL, I GUESS MOST TOWNS ARE IN CITIES ARE MOVING FROM GARDEN STYLE TO RAP DESIGN.

SO, SO SO THE SO I'M FROM DALLAS. Y'ALL CAN HATE ME IF YOU WANT, BUT AND I USED TO WORK DOWN ON MCKINNEY AVENUE WHEN I STARTED MY ENGINEERING CAREER.

YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA CALLED UPTOWN DOWN THERE, NORTH OF DOWNTOWN.

YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A BUNCH OF BLIGHTED AREA. THERE WAS A BUNCH OF A BUNCH OF VACANT STREETS WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING DOWN THERE IN THE 80S.

THE PROPERTY WAS STILL PRETTY EXPENSIVE THOUGH, BUT IT'S A SMALL AREA.

WELL, ONE DEVELOPER HAD THE BRIGHT IDEA THAT IF HE BOUGHT UP A BUNCH OF THOSE BLOCKS, HE COULD MAKE A HE COULD MAKE A UNIQUE APARTMENT CONCEPT.

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AND HE BUILT WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER THE FIRST RAP STYLE APARTMENT IN THE DALLAS AREA CALLED UPTOWN VILLAGE.

AND ANYWAYS, HE WENT ON TO BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPER, BUT HE SPECIALIZED IN GOING AND FINDING THOSE VERY SMALL PROPERTIES THAT WERE JUST BIG ENOUGH THAT HE COULD BUILD A BUILDING AROUND AND WRAP A PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE.

AND THE REASON WAS BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE SPACE HE HAD.

SO HE HAD TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE AND HE HAD TO COME UP.

HE HAD TO WORK WITH THE ARCHITECTS TO COME UP WITH THIS UNIQUE STYLE OF HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK.

SO HE DEVELOPED THE HE DEVELOPED IT OUT OF NECESSITY.

HE DIDN'T DEVELOP IT BECAUSE IT WAS A COOL THING.

YOU KNOW, IF HE HAD THE MONEY AND THE SPACE, HE WOULD HAVE JUST BUILT APARTMENTS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DID.

AS YOU SHRINK THE SPACE AND YOU GET INTO A MUCH MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENT, YOU BUILD.

THAT'S WHY WE BUILD HIGHRISES. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ONLY GOT A FLOOR PLATE THAT'S 20,000FT², BUT YOU WANT TO BUILD 1,000,000FT² OF OFFICE WHERE YOU CAN ONLY GO UP.

AND SO THAT'S THE SAME CONCEPT OF HOW THE URBAN RAP STYLE APARTMENT WAS DEVELOPED.

AND SO BUT IN DOING SO, THE COST IS VERY PROHIBITIVE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO BUILD A STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE, CONCRETE PARKING GARAGE. WHEREAS MOST APARTMENTS ARE WOOD FRAMED AND DIDN'T REQUIRE PARKING GARAGES, YOU KNOW. AND AND SO IF YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY, YOU, YOU WOULD PREFER TO PARK ON A SURFACE AND HAVE THAT IF YOU GOT THE YOU KNOW, IF YOUR FINANCIAL NUMBERS WORK TO ALLOW YOU TO EXPAND YOUR FOOTPRINT AND FIX YOUR PARKING, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO VERSUS SPENDING MORE MONEY JUST TO BUILD A GARAGE.

THAT ANSWERS, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

LIKE I SAID, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T BUILD A GARAGE JUST BECAUSE IT'S A COOL THING TO DO.

IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE LAND AND THE AREA THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH.

OKAY. I'M STILL NOT NECESSARILY A FAN OF THE APARTMENTS OR THE INCREASE.

I DON'T ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS. I DON'T I DON'T SEE, I GUESS VISIBLY TODAY WHERE WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING FOR THOSE APARTMENTS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MIGHT NEED THEM BASED ON THE LIFESTYLE, AND I GUESS THE COMMENT LIKE THE CHICKEN VERSUS THE EGG.

I FEEL LIKE THE LIFESTYLE CENTER IS REALLY THE IS GOING TO BE LIKE THE HEARTBEAT OF WHAT WILL CONNECT THIS THE WESTERN PART AND THE WEST OF PRESTON ROAD TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND TRULY MAKE IT A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TODAY.

THIS DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S MIXED USE WITH IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR SEGMENT OF HOUSING THAT'S GOING IN RIGHT NOW ON THE NORTH SIDE.

IT'S SEPARATED BY A MAJOR ARTERY. YOU HAVE A BLOCK OF APARTMENTS, IT'S SEPARATED BY A MAJOR ARTERY.

YOU HAVE RETAIL, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, 1,000,000FT² OF RETAIL, WHICH IS A LOT OF RETAIL.

AND YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO FILL SOME OF THAT RETAIL.

IT FEELS VERY SEGMENTED AND IT DOESN'T SEEM AS WALKABLE AS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MIXED USE AND WE TALK ABOUT YOU MENTIONED YOU KNOW, LEGACY WEST OR LEGACY THE MIX. ANY OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS? FIREFLY. THEY ALL HAVE THAT WALKABILITY COMPONENT.

I AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE'RE THERE, WHICH IS WHY IT FEELS LIKE THAT LIFESTYLE CENTER MIGHT BE THE HEARTBEAT THAT CONNECTS IT ALL.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION OF WHEN AND HOW THAT WILL GET DEVELOPED.

AND SO TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS CHANGED 14 TIMES, WHICH DOESN'T GIVE ME THE CONFIDENCE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE A COUPLE MORE TIMES WHERE THAT HEARTBEAT REALLY IS IN THAT LIFESTYLE CENTER.

MOST AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED TAKING AWAY OFFICE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 75 YEARS, LET'S SAY, AS YOU MENTIONED, IN ZONING IN OFFICE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, MOST OF THEM ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MIXTURE OF OFFICE, HOTEL, RETAIL, MULTIFAMILY, TOWNHOME. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HAVING TOWNHOME OR MULTIFAMILY.

I FEEL LIKE THOUGH WE'RE MISSING THAT OFFICE COMPONENT BEING DEVELOPED WHERE YOU'D HAVE THE TRAFFIC DURING THE DAY AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON THE MULTIFAMILY TO DRIVE IT. SO I FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE THAT LIFESTYLE CENTER IS A BIG PART OF HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL

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I KNOW YOUR REQUEST ALSO WAS TO REDUCE ON THE TOWNHOME THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 2500 TO 1800.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

I DON'T. I NEED TO GO BACK AND CHECK. BUT I THINK THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY CORRECTING AN ERROR I THINK IT HAD.

I THINK WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS, AND ALL I WAS DOING WAS CORRECTING IT TO WHERE IT WAS CONSTANT.

THE NUMBER EIGHT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MATH, IF YOU TAKE A 90 BY 20 FOOT LOT, THAT'S 1800 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A 90 BY 20 FOOT LOT.

IF YOUR MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 2500. SO OKAY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS RENDITION.

I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE 25 BY 100. I THOUGHT THAT WAS.

I DON'T BELIEVE SO WHAT IT WAS, BUT. OKAY. THOSE ARE REALLY ONLY MY ONLY COMMENTS I HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS FOR SURE.

I'LL. I'LL I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF THOUGHTS. I WOULD TELL YOU, I THINK REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EVOLUTION OF IT.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE BEEN A PHENOMENAL PARTNER FOR THE TOWN OF PROSPER. SO I THINK THE GOAL IS HOW DO WE GET TO GET YOU GOING FOR THE NEXT PHASE, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US. SO I THINK WE'RE CLOSE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE, IN MY OPINION.

I THINK WE HAVE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO DO. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE WE'RE HOLISTICALLY INDIFFERENT.

INDIFFERENT ATMOSPHERES HERE. I'LL STAY ON SUB DISTRICT TWO, SINCE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT CURRENTLY.

A COUPLE OF EASY QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANY MULTIFAMILY EAST OF MAIN STREET AND SOUTH OF RICHLAND IN THE LIFESTYLE CENTER? NO. OKAY. SO THAT IS ALL SINGLE STORY ISH, MAYBE TWO STORY OR SOMETHING.

BUT RETAIL IN THE LIFESTYLE CENTER, THAT'S OH, THE LIFESTYLE CENTER.

YEAH. OH, NO, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE MULTI AS A MATTER OF FACT, TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY OPEN AND VERY WILLING TO PUT OFFICE ABOVE ALL THOSE IF YOU READ OUR LANGUAGE IN OUR PD, YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE ARE ALL ENCOURAGED. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE ALLOW FOR WITHIN THE LIFESTYLE CENTER.

THE WE DON'T CURRENTLY PLAN TO PUT MULTIFAMILY ABOVE RETAIL.

BUT WE DO HAVE A VISION THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME OFFICE COMPONENTS IN THERE AS WELL.

THE. SO SO AS FAR AS THAT GOES YEAH, THOSE WOULD BE MULTI STORIES.

THEY THE HEIGHT LIMITATION I CAN'T REMEMBER. I THINK WE GOT A 80 FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION IN THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY.

WELL I THINK I MEAN I THINK THAT'S GOOD. I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST IN THE MARKET NOT FAR AWAY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE A LEGACY WEST. LEGACY WEST.

RIGHT CONCEPT. IF YOU WERE PUTTING MULTIFAMILY OVER RETAIL.

I THINK COULD BE A NUDGE TOWARDS A BETTER, BETTER PRODUCT IN MY MIND BECAUSE I THINK LEGACY US HAS DONE VERY WELL.

SHOPS ARE SHOPS. THAT LEGACY ARE DONE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHAT LEGACY WEST HAS THE.

YOU HAVE TO LOOK CLOSELY, BUT IN A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF IT IS NOT REALLY MULTIFAMILY OVER THE RETAIL.

IT'S MULTIFAMILY BEHIND THE RETAIL. THE ORIGINAL LEGACY ON THE EAST SIDE DOES HAVE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENTS OVER IT. BUT THE MOST NOT ALL, MOST MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS HAVE DRIFTED AWAY FROM WANTING TO PUT MULTIFAMILY OVER RETAIL BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MIXING TWO DIFFERENT USES. YOU GOT A RESTAURANT DOWN BELOW AND YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL APARTMENTS ABOVE, AND THEY'RE SMELLING CHINESE FOOD ALL NIGHT LONG. YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT MAKES THINGS DIFFICULT OR JUST JUST THE JUST THINGS THAT JUST DON'T.

YEAH. NOT GOOD HARMONY. BUT THEY ARE. BUT THEY ARE CLOSE.

LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE. MULTIFAMILY. IMMEDIATELY BEHIND.

RETAIL. BUT IT IS BUT AGAIN WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE'VE GOT A MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT THAT IS A WALKABLE DISTANCE TO THE LIFESTYLE CENTER.

TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN OF WALKABILITY. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, IS TO CREATE A WALKABLE COMMUNITY.

AND THE BROAD GATES PROSPER IS FAR TOO LARGE.

621 ACRES OF OF RETAIL IS NOT WALKABLE. IN TEXAS.

YOU KNOW, STONE STONEBRIDGE MALL ALMOST FITS IN THAT AREA THAT WE'VE SHOWN AS LIFESTYLE CENTER

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YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND IS, YES, THE GATES OF PROSPER IS NOT WHAT YOU KNOW, NOT WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE A YOU KNOW, IT'S WALKABLE, BUT IT'S NOT.

YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO WALK FROM, YOU KNOW, WALMART TO TOWN HALL.

BUT BUT ANYWAYS, I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD. OH, YOU'RE GOOD AS FAR.

SO I LIKE THAT THERE'S NO BLEND OF MULTIFAMILY ON THAT COMPONENT THAT THAT'S REALLY A TRUE LIFESTYLE CENTER.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. AND IF YOU DID END UP TRYING TO STACK SOME STUFF, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE FOR THE MARKET, SO THAT'S FINE. ON THE ON THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT, I TOTALLY AGREE.

I I DON'T I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE COST PREMIUM TO GO FOR A TRUE WRAP.

I FEEL LIKE IF THESE WERE TRUE WRAPS, THE QUALITY WOULD BE MUCH DIFFERENT.

I THINK A SINGLE LOADED CORRIDOR OR A DOUBLE LOADED CORRIDOR FOUR STORY PRODUCT WOULD LOOK NICER THAN A GARDEN STYLE HANDS DOWN.

BUT THE AMOUNT OF SURFACE PARKING AND IT'S A LITTLE HARD ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING SOME OF THAT TO YOUR POINT THAT YOU SAID EARLIER.

SO IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE DECEIVING FOR WHAT'S ACTUALLY NEEDED FOR THE MULTI.

BUT I DO THINK LOOKING AT PARTICULARLY MAYBE THE ONE DOWN BY RICHLAND OR SOMETHING YOU KNOW WHERE YOU SEE IT AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT NICER.

I FEEL LIKE A A TRUE WRAP, WHICH IS THE INTENT IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT PROSPER IS LOOKING FOR.

WOULD CERTAINLY WOULD CERTAINLY SELL AND BE AN EASIER APPROVAL.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS SPECIFIED, BUT JUST BEING AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER IF OUR STANDARDS ARE LIKE THIS, BUT JUST SPECIFYING THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE GARDEN STYLE BLACK AND WHITE.

NOT AT ALL. I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE I SAID, THE OUR INTENTION IS, IS WHAT YOU SEE THERE THAT IS YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN IT'S ALL IN PERCEPTION. I CAN TAKE YOU TO DOWN TO LEGACY, AND I CAN DRIVE YOU TO SOME APARTMENTS THAT YOU WOULD SWEAR OUR FOUR STORY WRAPS, AND I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PASSAGEWAY AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S JUST A SURFACE PARKING LOT IN THERE.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CREATING. THIS IS WHAT THIS IS WHAT SOME IN THE BUSINESS REFER TO AS.

WHAT DO THEY CALL THIS URBAN SUBURBAN RAP. AND SO SO IT'S BASICALLY A RAP STYLE WITH A SURFACE PARKING.

OKAY. WOULD THERE BE ANY COVERED PARKING? I KNOW THE GARAGE CONCEPT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH HOW YOU DISCLOSE THAT.

I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS FOR YOU. BUT I YES, I BELIEVE THAT WE'LL HAVE COVERED PARKING WITHIN THE IN THE LOT.

IT'S A IT'S HIGH DEMAND. YEAH. I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD ALSO HELP BREAK UP A BIG, BIG LOT.

RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THIS DRAWING, BUT FROM YOUR MAJOR FRONTAGE STREETS, IF YOU KIND OF VISUALIZE, IF YOU WERE DRIVING UP YOU KNOW, RICHLAND ACTUALLY THAT RICHLAND IS LABELED INCORRECTLY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM THERE. ON THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING.

MY FAULT, BUT IT SHOULD BE UP THERE IN THE MIDDLE. BUT BUT ANYWAYS ANY OF THESE MAJOR STREETS, YOU'RE GOING TO JUST BE SEEING BUILDING FRONTAGES. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE PARKING? SURE. YEAH. BACK TO THE HOTEL. YEAH. WHAT'S THE.

ARE YOU ARE YOU MORE CERTAIN OF THE TIMING OF THE HOTEL VERSUS THE LIFESTYLE COMPONENTS? IS THE LIFESTYLE GOING TO BE PHASED? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOW THE LIFESTYLE CENTER WILL PROBABLY BE IT'LL BE IT WILL BE PHASED IN.

MOST LIKELY. WE WON'T BE. IT WON'T BE DROPPING IN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT IS, 200,000FT² OF RETAIL AND ONE ON THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT PARTICULAR LUMP THERE. BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU TODAY THAT THE HOTEL WILL GO BEFORE THE LIFESTYLE OR VICE VERSA.

OKAY. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS PARTICULAR INTEREST OR IS THERE ANY ISSUE IF I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE SOME KIND OF OFF THE CUFF, BUT TYING SOME SORT OF GROWTH OF THE MULTIFAMILY NUMBERS TO SOME OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T THINK WE WOULD NECESSARILY BE, YOU KNOW, IF MAYBE WE WANTED TO SAY YOU CAN'T START THE SECOND PHASE.

YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M JUST PROPOSING. BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO SAY WE CAN'T START THE FIRST PHASE BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE LIKE I SAID, THEN WE HAVE NOTHING TO TELL THE RETAILERS THAT WE'RE DOING. YEAH I UNDERSTAND.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO SKIP THROUGH SOME OF THESE. SORRY, JUST TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL HERE.

OKAY. CAN YOU DO YOU MIND SWITCHING REAL QUICK TO SOME DISTRICT THREE? I TOTALLY ECHO WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I TOTALLY AGREE.

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IT JUST KIND OF FEELS LIKE COLEMAN'S SEPARATING A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S GOING TO FEEL LIKE A DIFFERENT PRODUCT, WHICH COULD BE PERCEIVED AS A GOOD THING. BUT I WAS PRETTY CLEAR, I THINK IN THE LAST ONE, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE 50 FIVES. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AT A MINIMUM PULLING.

I FORGOT THE NAME OF STAR REVIEW. PULLING THAT OVER, I THINK YOU COULD DO THAT THAT WELL, AND I THINK IT MIGHT FEEL A LITTLE BETTER. THE TOWNHOMES, I DON'T I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT OF THE TOWNHOMES.

I THINK YOU'RE BEING KIND OF INTENTIONAL. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT.

IT'S FUNNY, YOU BROUGHT UP MCKINNEY. YOU WERE. I'M FAMILIAR, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, ALIGNING THE TOWNHOMES, FOR INSTANCE, MAYBE DOWN MAIN STREET, BOTH SIDES OF MAIN STREET TO GIVE IT A TRUE KIND OF MAIN STREET FEEL.

I FEEL LIKE MIGHT BE A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THE TOWNHOMES THAN KIND OF STICKING THEM OFF IN A CORNER UP AGAINST THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS WITH LOT LAYOUTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING CONCEPT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE CONSIDERED IT OR NOT, BUT YOU BROUGHT UP UPTOWN IN MCKINNEY AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW STREETS DOWN THERE THAT HAVE TOWNHOMES, BUT IT FEELS KIND OF NICE. IT FEELS MORE LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS KIND OF A KIND OF A SEPARATE, SEPARATE THING. SO THAT'S MORE OF A COMMENT. WELL, ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT THERE'S THE ABILITY IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THE CONCEPT HERE. THERE'S ACTUALLY TRANSFERABILITY FOR POCKETS OF TOWNHOMES IN THE LIFESTYLE CENTER IF THAT'S SO WORKED OUT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF BECAUSE WE HAVE A FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE GATES PROSPER, THE 150 TOWNHOMES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF THE OF THE ZONING. THAT'S NOT A NEW REQUEST. BUT WE HAD THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IF SAY THAT AREA RIGHT THERE OPENED UP, I DON'T KNOW, YOU SEE THE ARROW ON THE SCREEN.

BUT ANYWAYS, IF ONE OF THOSE SMALL AREAS, IF WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, IF JUST TO COMPLEMENT KIND OF SPICE UP THE AREA OVER THERE AND IT FIT IN.

MADE SENSE. YOU KNOW. WE HAD THE ABILITY TO DROP IN 10 OR 15 TOWNHOMES DOWN HERE OR, YOU KNOW, IN ONE OF THESE OTHER AREAS, BUT IT JUST DETRACTS FROM THE OVERALL NUMBER.

IT JUST ALLOWS IT TO BE MOVED, MOVED APART, MOVED AROUND, OR YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE MAKE SOMETHING WORK.

WELL, I LIKE I LIKE THAT IDEA. I THINK THAT ANSWERS ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I ACTUALLY WAS JUST THERE WAS A VERY SPECIFIC TERM IN SUZANNE'S PRESENTATION ABOUT THE MULTI APPLIES TO ALL SUBDISTRICTS, WHICH I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST SHED LIGHT AS TO WHY.

SO THERE'S FLEXIBILITY BETWEEN 2 AND 3 OF MOVING THOSE NUMBERS AROUND, POSSIBLY AS TOWNHOMES ONLY.

OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. THE MULTIFAMILY WE'VE REMOVED THAT.

THAT USED TO BE THERE WAS FLEXIBILITY IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING FOR MULTIFAMILY BETWEEN SUBDISTRICTS TWO AND THREE, BUT WE'VE REMOVED THAT. SO ALL THE MULTIFAMILY HAS TO BE IN SUBDISTRICT SUB-DISTRICT TWO NOW.

OKAY, WELL, I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF A LITTLE BIT OF THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED OF POTENTIAL.

DOES SOMETHING MAKE SENSE? THAT'S BECAUSE WE FIND THIS OFTEN UP HERE OF WHAT WE CALL MULTIFAMILY.

I WOULD HAVE USED TO HAVE TOLD YOU TOWNHOMES FEEL LIKE MULTIFAMILY TO ME, BUT THERE'S A VERY DISTINCT DEFINITION IN OUR CODE.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME SOME GOOD THINGS THAT BEING FLEXIBLE THERE.

IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH LEGACY WEST, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU SEEN THE THE TOWNHOMES IN THERE, THAT SAME KIND OF. YEAH. THOUGHTS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

THE ONLY THING REALLY ON SUBDISTRICT THREE THAT I WOULD SAY I AM NOT A BIG FAN OF PUTTING THOSE UP ON FIRST.

I KNOW IT'S CONCEPTUAL, BUT I WOULD LOVE A BIGGER SETBACK ON FIRST TO PULL THAT OFF.

I MEAN, THIS IS KIND OF OUR MAIN STREET THAT GOES RIGHT TO OUR TOWN HALL. ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL USE WITH THE TOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KIND OF ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING.

THE PLANNER WAS THINKING THIS ALONG THE SAME TERMS AS YOU JUST MENTIONED A WHILE AGO, HOW THEY CAN KIND OF LOOK KIND OF COOL WHEN THEY LIE ON THE STREET IN AN URBAN.

THAT'S WHAT THE THOUGHT WAS OF PUTTING A SMALL CLUSTER OF THEM THERE ALONG FIRST STREET.

YEAH, THAT'S HIS THOUGHTS. BUT LIKE I SAID, I, YOU KNOW, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. OUR ORIGINAL CONCEPT HAD IT ALL COMMERCIAL ALL THE WAY DOWN. AND THEN HE BROUGHT IN THE IDEA.

WELL, MAYBE MAYBE YOU GIVE A LITTLE WINDOW HERE AND SHOW SOME TOWNHOMES PEEKING OUT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT THERE'S RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY HERE.

I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU'LL BE THOUGHTFUL WHEN YOU GO TO YOUR NEXT, NEXT VERSION OF THIS.

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. BIG BRIGHT RED BOX WEST OF THE IT.

NO, IT'S A VERY AWKWARD PIECE OF LAND, BUT WHAT'S WHAT'S THE WHERE DOES THAT FIT IN ALL OF THIS? AND WHAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT THAT'S. SO THAT PIECE PROPERTY WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PURCHASE.

WHEN WE ZONED THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, I THINK AND THE REASON IT'S LIKE THAT IS BECAUSE IT WAS THERE BEFORE THE RAILROAD AND THE RAILROAD CAR,

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BUT WHEN WE ZONED THAT BACK IN 2014, IT BASICALLY JUST CARRIED ALL THE SAME ZONING COMPONENTS AS SUBDISTRICT THREE.

HOWEVER, IT ALSO INCLUDED SOME MORE INTENSE USES TO GO ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS ALREADY OVER THERE.

AND THOSE USES I'D HAVE TO GO. THEY INCLUDE, LIKE I SAID, WHILE I WAS IN THAT BOX THERE, IT INCLUDES SOME ADDITIONAL WHOLESALE AND INDUSTRIAL USES THAT AREN'T ALLOWED ANYWHERE ELSE WITHIN THE PROSPER.

BUT THAT'S THE ONLY PROPERTY. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT'S COLORED RED IS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S VERY AWKWARD. SIZE AND SHAPE.

YEAH. SURE. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S. I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAVE YOU KNOW, I THINK MY ONLY COMMENT.

WELL, I GUESS WOULD JUST BE IF WE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE AND A LOT OF A LOT OF GOOD THINGS.

I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO MAYBE DO THIS IN A WORK SESSION, JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS.

THIS HAS WORKED OUT GREAT, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TO TABLE THIS AND HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION TO HELP REFINE IT TO GET A FULL GREEN LIGHT AND GO. BUT JUST A JUST A THOUGHT. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE BACK ON TRACK HERE.

SO ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS, SCOTT OR ANY. YEAH.

SORRY IF WE CAN JUST DRILL DOWN ONE MORE TIME ON THE CONCEPT FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES.

SO YOU'RE SAYING EFFECTIVELY RAP CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT THE, THE RAP.

SO JUST THE PARKING IS JUST ON THE INSIDE ESSENTIALLY, WHICH LIKE I SAID, THERE'S THERE'S NO TRUE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A RAP WITHOUT A GARAGE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT RAPPING ANYTHING BUT THE EXTERIOR VIEW.

IF WE HAD GOOGLE EARTH, I COULD SHOW YOU SOME, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU COULD USE AS A CONCEPT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S A IT'S JUST AN URBAN STYLE APARTMENT DESIGN.

SO BECAUSE THERE'S NO WE'VE ALL CREATED THE NAME, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, GARDEN STYLE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, WE ALL JUST SAY, WELL, THAT JUST MEANS THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS.

WELL, HOW LONG ARE THEY? I DON'T KNOW. AND BUT THIS, AS I SAID, THIS IS AN URBAN STYLE.

THE GOAL IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A VISIBLE PARKING LOT AS YOU BUILD THIS, OR YOU'RE SURROUNDING YOUR STREETS WITH AN URBAN STYLE BUILDING. AND THAT'S DEFINED IN THE IN THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL ZONING LANGUAGE.

YEAH. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DRILL DOWN ON.

WHAT WHAT URBAN STYLE MEANS. AND I'M READING THE CRITERIA.

SO IN MY MIND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAP CONSTRUCTION, TYPICALLY WE'RE MEANING BASICALLY INTERIOR CORRIDOR.

SO THERE'S APARTMENTS ON THE OUTSIDE. YOU'RE WALKING ON THE INSIDE.

ARE YOU? SO ARE YOU CONCEPTUALLY OR ARE THESE BASICALLY SIMILAR BUILDINGS TO THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY AT GATES JUST WITH MORE SHIELDED PARKING, OR IS IT INTENTIONALLY DIFFERENT? NO, THEY'RE INTENTIONALLY DIFFERENT.

THEY ARE LIKE I SAID, THEY ARE JUST JUST LOOKING AT THE CONCEPTS.

EVEN YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUILDING MASSING IS MORE YOU KNOW, MORE INTENTIONALLY LINKED AND CONNECTED.

IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE VERTICALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FOUR STOREY APARTMENTS VERSUS THE THREE STOREY BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE OVER THERE TODAY. BUT BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW ELSE TO DESCRIBE HIM. SO ON THESE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU WOULDN'T BE SEEING THINGS LIKE THE STAIRWELLS THAT GO UP AND DOWN.

CORRECT. YOU ON. WELL, IF YOU WERE ON THE INSIDE OF THE PARKING, YOU MAY SEE A STAIRWELL.

I'M NOT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I DON'T HAVE A WE DON'T HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH, THERE THERE COULD BE A VISIBLE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE A STAIRCASE VISIBLE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

THERE WON'T BE ONE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, THOUGH. OKAY.

THANK YOU. GOOD CLARIFICATION. ANY FURTHER QUESTION? YEAH. IN THE THERE'S ONE SMALL LITTLE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE IN THE PD ORDINANCE THAT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT.

SO IT'S IN THE CONCEPTUAL PHOTOS FOR THE TOWNHOMES, AND IT SHOWS THE PHOTOGRAPHS.

THE FOLLOWING PHOTOGRAPH SHALL BE AND THEN GENERALLY WAS ADDED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE,

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THERE ARE IN ALL OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE ARE CONCEPTUAL PHOTOS GIVEN, COLORS NOT STRICKEN.

AND SO I WAS CURIOUS WHY, WITH REGARD TO THE TOWNHOMES, WE WOULD STRIKE COLOR, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'VE ALREADY ADDED GENERAL TO IT.

AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE THE PHOTOS PROVIDE THE CONCEPTUAL PHOTOS SHOW SOME NORMAL COLORS.

I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WHY WHAT WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH DELETING COLOR FOR THIS ONE THING? SO FOR ME, YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ THAT I'M THE ASPECT THAT I, I WAS READING THAT AGAIN AS I WAS KIND OF GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING AND I WENT BACK OVER THAT SENTENCE AGAIN. AND FIRST OF ALL, IT'S THOSE PICTURES.

LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE JUST REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLES OF TOWNHOMES THAT WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE.

AND SO I, YOU KNOW, DECIDED THAT I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE REPRESENTATIVE, THE COLORS BECAUSE SOMEBODY MAY INTERPRET THAT TO GO, OH, SO THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO BE RED BRICK PINK YOU KNOW, STUCCO, OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE WHITE BRICK OR WHATEVER ELSE I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF THERE. AND I FELT LIKE THAT WAS BEING A LITTLE TOO YOU KNOW, A LITTLE TOO DIRECT.

IN OTHER WORDS, JUST LIKE THEY'RE JUST GENERALLY REPRESENTATIVE PHOTOS OF THE STYLE.

ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT A TOWNHOME IS, THIS IS A THIS IS WHAT A TOWNHOME IS, IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHAT WE'VE GOT PICTURES OF.

OKAY. I WAS JUST CONFUSED BECAUSE IT WASN'T STRICKEN ANY OF THE OTHER CONCEPTUAL PHOTOS AND AND IT CONCERNED.

I JUST WAS CONCERNED. YOU KNOW, WHILE ALL I UNDERSTAND THERE CONCEPTUAL PHOTOS, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE PURPOSE IS FOR THAT.

YOU'RE NOT BOUND TO THESE PARTICULAR PHOTOS, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT BRIGHT YELLOW AND ORANGE.

EXACTLY. AND THOSE KIND OF THOSE KINDS OF TOWNHOMES THERE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT. AND SO, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS IS THE COLOR SCHEME I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WOULD PREFER NOT SEEING THAT WORD DELETED. BUT ANYWAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

I ALSO WANTED TO ADD JUST ONE THING THAT I DISAGREE WITH.

I, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED AND I REALIZE THE PD ALREADY HAS IT, SO I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, NOT DO IT.

BUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN ADD TOWNHOMES DOWN INTO THE LIFESTYLE CENTER, I'M NOT REAL CRAZY ABOUT THAT IDEA, BECAUSE THE LIFESTYLE CENTER IS WHAT I, WHAT I'M VALUE THE MOST HERE, YOU KNOW, AND TO ME, THE REASON FOR THAT WE WOULD EVEN CONSIDER ADDING APARTMENTS.

MORE IS BECAUSE OF THAT LIFESTYLE CENTER AND WHAT YOU COULD ADD THERE.

SO TO ADD MORE TALENT AND IT'S NOT ADDED WOULD NOT BE.

AGAIN, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ADDING ANY MORE. IT'S JUST MOVING THE LOCATION MOVING.

BUT BUT TO MOVE THEM FROM SUBDISTRICT THREE DOWN TO SUBDISTRICT TWO IN THE END OF THE LIFESTYLE CENTER DOESN'T MEAN WE GET ANY LIFESTYLE CENTER KIND OF STUFF UP AND SUBDIVISION IT. IT MEANS WE LOSE SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF THE OF THE LIFESTYLE CENTER IS WHAT I WOULD THINK.

POINT OF VIEW, I GUESS. YEAH, PERHAPS. BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WAS NOT ONE THAT I WAS REAL CRAZY ABOUT NECESSARILY, SO THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT. NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.

WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW.

WHAT DO WE DO HERE. WE MOTION TO THAT. NO. ALL RIGHT.

OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY AT 947. THANK YOU.

SORRY. MY WATCH IS DYING. LIKE MY ENERGY. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 947.

WE DID HAVE ONE REQUEST TO THAT. DID REQUEST TO SPEAK.

MR. KORAN. I DO NOT BELIEVE HE IS HERE. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. SO BROUGHT US BACK SOMETHING, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT.

SO. HE WAS DID WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM, JUST FOR THE RECORD.

SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? NONE. SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE IT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AT 948? SORRY. ANY OTHER COMMENTARY FROM THE TEAM? FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. FREY. WE STARTED WITH HIM EARLIER.

WE SHOULD START WITH YOU THIS TIME. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENT.

ALL RIGHT, HOW ABOUT THAT? ALL RIGHT. MR. POINTS THAT THIS IS AGAIN I. MY CONCERN IS THE 55 FOOT LOTS. IT STAYS MY CONCERN THERE.

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I JUST CAN'T GET TO 55 FOOT LOTS. SO JUST FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

SO THAT IS MY MY, MY MY MAIN PROBLEM WITH THIS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK THE ADDITION OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS IS A MAJOR REQUEST THAT WE NEED TO TAKE SERIOUSLY. I ACKNOWLEDGE THE CHALLENGE OF DRAWING IN TENANTS FOR A LIFESTYLE TYPE CENTER, ONE THAT'S CONCEPTUALIZED HERE WITHOUT SOME ADDITIONAL DENSITY.

WITH THAT SAID, I THINK WITH THE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING FOR ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY UNITS, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE MEANINGFUL CONCESSIONS ELSEWHERE.

AND I THINK THE PLACE WHERE THOSE WOULD HAPPEN IS SUB DISTRICT THREE.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S A CONTINUATION OF STAR VIEW OVER THERE WITH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE OF A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T LOVE THE TOWNHOMES PERSONALLY. I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN IN THE PD FROM THE BEGINNING, BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S MY GENERAL CONCERN. I THINK OVERALL, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH HERE TO TO WARRANT THE ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY.

OH. WE'RE BACK ONLINE. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

I THINK IN GENERAL, I'LL SUMMARIZE. I AGREE, I THINK THE 55 FOOT LOTS ARE A CHALLENGE.

I LIKE THE GENERAL IDEA IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD MULTIFAMILY, DOING IT AT HIGHER QUALITY LEVEL.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT NOD. I STILL THINK IT'S NOT ALIGNING TO THE SPIRIT OF WHERE THE TOWN OF PROSPERS LOOKING FOR ON THE MULTIFAMILY, WHICH WOULD BE A RAP STYLE OR MIXED USE OF SOME VARIETY OR PODIUM OF SOME NOTE.

BUT SO I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THAT, BUT I THINK ALL IN ALL I THINK WE WERE MADE A LOT OF GOOD PROGRESS GETTING THERE, A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATIONS, A LOT OF HARD WORK. SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD MAYBE TABLE THIS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE AND MAYBE MAKE A FEW TWEAKS FROM THE COMMENTARY FROM TONIGHT.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR ANY OTHER.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CAN I JUST ADD ANOTHER THOUGHT OF MY OWN ON THIS? I JUST WANT TO, FROM MY OWN PERSONAL POSITION.

AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE APARTMENTS.

I THINK THE APARTMENTS ARE A FAIR ADDITION HERE FOR THE LIFESTYLE CENTER AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

I THINK THAT'S FINE. THAT AGAIN, MY OPPOSITION TO WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED HERE IS IN SUBDISTRICT THREE AND THE THE 55 FOOT LOTS. THAT DOESN'T. I'M NOT OPPOSED NECESSARILY TO TOWNHOMES.

I CAN STILL SEE SOME KIND OF A GRADUAL MOVEMENT FROM THE FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST TOWARDS THE RAILROADS, BUT NOT WITH ALL 55 FOOT LOTS AND THEN TOWNHOMES.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE. I JUST, I DON'T KNOW, ONE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED TO BE 55 FOOT LOTS.

THEY NEED TO BE LARGER. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. AND I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF I WAS GENERATED, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS SPOKEN BY THE APPLICANT THAT ARE GOOD BUT DON'T REALLY SHOW IN THE PACKET OR SHOW IN THE, IN THE IN THE CONCEPT PLAN.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO ALIGN A LOT OF THOSE IDEAS AND THOUGHTS OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

I THINK MAIN STREET IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY THAT I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO MISS.

CONNECTING. THERE'S SOME GREAT DETENTION PONDS AND RETENTION PONDS AND PARKS, AND THEY JUST KIND OF STOP.

UP IN SUBDISTRICT THREE. SO I FEEL LIKE KIND OF SOMEHOW CONNECTING THOSE TO DOWNTOWN WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

WELL, STILL OPEN FOR A MOTION OR ANY OTHER COMMENTARY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW BRANDON FEELS. I HIT PEOPLE WITH THAT.

I MOVE THAT WE DENY. AGENDA ITEM SIX. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER FERRY.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT, I GUESS.

WOULD YOU BE MORE IN FAVOR OF DENIAL TO. OR WOULD YOU BE MORE IN FAVOR OF TABLING AND DISCUSSING THIS FURTHER?

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OPTION FIVE AT THIS POINT. WELL, HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY.

I THINK FOR ANY. IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, LIKE I SAY, WE WE BELIEVE STRONGLY AT 40 AND 50 FOOT LOTS WOULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME.

WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A FANTASTIC PRODUCT DOWN HERE.

TOWN DIDN'T AGREE. TOWN. WE WE GAVE IN TO WHAT WE HEARD.

WHAT WE HEARD THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT, WHICH WAS 55 FOOT LOTS.

SO NOW IF WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THAT UP AGAIN, THEN I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MANY OF Y'ALL CAN'T GIVE ON, THEN, THEN THERE'S NOT A REASON TO PROLONG THIS.

AS FAR AS THE MULTIFAMILY GOES, WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE PLAYED THIS GAME NOW FOR TWO YEARS.

WE'VE EXPLAINED OUR REASONING FOR WHY WE NEED THE MULTIFAMILY.

WE ARE COMMITTED TO GIVING YOU ALL A QUALITY PRODUCT.

WE ARE COMMITTED. WE THE ONLY THING WE CAN'T COMMIT TO TWO IS BUILDING A STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE.

AND WE'VE MADE THAT CLEAR THAT THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T BUILD A STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

THAT'S LIKE JUST GOING AND SPENDING MONEY BECAUSE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE MONEY COMING OUT YOUR EARS OR SOMETHING.

SO YOU DON'T YOU DON'T DO THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE A REASON TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE.

SO THOSE ARE REALLY THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT.

LIKE I SAID, I THINK I THINK THE LANGUAGE, IF YOU READ THE LANGUAGE OF OUR PD, THE QUALITY OF THE APARTMENTS I GIVE IT, I'LL GIVE YOU THAT. THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL THOSE GARDEN STYLE, I'M FINE WITH THAT. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE THE BEST APARTMENTS IN THIS TOWN, IN MY OPINION.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE VERY QUALITY APARTMENTS.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THAT.

AND SO AND I THINK THAT THE OVERALL LOOK AND FEEL OF THEM IS, IS GOOD.

AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO TELL ME OTHERWISE.

I HAVEN'T HEARD OTHERWISE FROM ANYBODY IN THIS TOWN.

SO I WILL JUST SAY THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO. ANY OF THOSE MAJOR THINGS, IF THAT'S ALL, WE'RE KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD TO TALK ABOUT THOSE SAME THINGS AGAIN, THEN I THINK WE'RE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE FRUITFUL.

JUST TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO AND I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.

I DO, AND LIKE I SAID, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOWED THAT IN IN PROLONGING THIS AND LISTENING AND TALKING TO PEOPLE OVER THE LAST YEAR AND TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT WE COULD DO.

BUT I THINK WE'VE WE'VE EXHAUSTED WE'VE TOLD YOU WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE TO ACCOMPLISH THE END GOAL THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS TOWN WANTS. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. MY, MY, ONLY YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REPRESENT THE ENTIRE TOWN, AND I THINK OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WITH OUR WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS AND WHENEVER.

MOST ARE PRETTY OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTIVE OF NOT ADDING MULTIFAMILY.

SO I DON'T THINK ANY I DIDN'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW THAT I HEARD ANYBODY SAY NO MORE MULTIFAMILY.

I THINK THE QUESTION IS THE BALANCE OF HOW DO WE GO REPORT BACK TO OUR RESIDENTS AND PROSPER AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE HAVE A GREAT QUALITY DEVELOPER AND HAS BEEN A PHENOMENAL PARTNER TO THE TOWN.

THEY NEED SOMETHING FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, BUT HERE'S HOW THE TOWN IS BENEFITING.

AND I THINK IF THEY WATCH THIS, THEY WOULD HEAR A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.

BUT I DON'T THINK IF THEY LOOKED AT THIS THEY'RE SEEING THAT.

SO I THINK MY HOLDUP IS THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS.

I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD IDEAS UP HERE THAT WE KIND OF PRESENTED.

WHAT I'M WHAT IS IT YOU DON'T SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS? I'M SORRY. WELL, I THINK BECAUSE I CAN'T SHOW TENANTS.

YEAH. IF I COULD NAME THE TENANTS AND PUT THEM ON THERE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY.

I CAN'T DO THAT. THE YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS A ZONING CASE.

IT'S NOT A SITE PLAN. IT'S NOT A FACADE PLAN.

IT'S A ZONING CASE. AND AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING.

WE'RE ADDRESSING THE ZONING OF THE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS, LIKE JUST WITH REFERENCE TO SUBDISTRICT TWO? THAT I'M YOU'RE SAYING THAT I'M MISSING THAT THAT THAT I GUESS MAYBE I AM MISSING WHAT?

[03:15:03]

MULTIFAMILY REQUIREMENTS. IS THAT A FAIR? WE'RE WE'RE VARYING OFF OF WHAT WE EXPECT, PER SE.

IS THAT A FAIR? I GUESS THIS IS TO STAFF, BUT LIKE THE CONCEPT OR THE REQUEST OF GOING TO A TRUE WRAP? AND AGAIN, I'M NOT HUNG UP ON SURFACE OR NOT, BUT THAT IS A VARIANCE AS TO WHAT OUR MULTIFAMILY.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY CODE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM. STANDARD IS HOW IS IT DEFINED? I THINK NUMBER ONE, I THINK Y'ALL ARE USING STRUCTURED PARKING AND WRAP DESIGN AS INTERCHANGEABLE TERMS. AND THEY'RE NOT THEY GO TOGETHER, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING.

THE STRUCTURED PARKING IS THE THING THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE.

THE WRAP DESIGN IS THE BUILDING THAT GOES AROUND IT.

AND WHAT MR. SHIP IS SAYING IS THEY'RE BUILDING A WRAP DESIGN.

IT'S JUST THE STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE IS MISSING.

SO IT'S GOING TO LOOK THE SAME AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, WHETHER IT'S GOT TWO STORIES OR THREE STORIES INSIDE OR OR NO STORIES, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE GROUND. SO I THINK THE WRAP DESIGN, WHICH WAS ONE GOAL AND PROBABLY THE MAIN GOAL OVER WHAT WE WANTED WITH MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WAS TO HAVE THAT RAP STYLE.

THE STRUCTURED PARKING WAS A MIX OF LOOK AND APPEARANCE, BUT ALSO TO AVOID THE SURFACE PARKING THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD IN MOST ANYTHING SHOPPING CENTERS, MALLS MULTIFAMILY, WHATEVER THEY HAPPEN TO BE. AND IF YOU DESIGN YOUR WRAP SUCH THAT IT IT SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE TO COVER THE PARKING INSIDE. I WOULD SAY YES. IT'S A DEVIATION FROM WHAT WE PUT IN OUR ORDINANCE ABOUT STRUCTURED AND WRAP.

BUT I THINK IT IT'S ALSO, I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT IT THAT IT MEETS THE INTENT.

NOW WOULD THAT WORK EVERYWHERE? NOT NECESSARILY.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD WORK OUT ON THE TOLLWAY WITH JUST A BUILDING THAT'S OUT THERE AND YOU PUT A WRAP AROUND IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SAME BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WITH IT.

YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE STRUCTURED PARKING, IT'S INTEGRATED MIXED USE IS IS KIND OF WHERE THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION CAME FROM.

SO. SO I THINK I THINK IT'S A DEFINITE MAYBE.

I MEAN, AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, IT IS A VARIANCE FROM STRUCTURED AND WRAP, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A VARIANCE FROM WHAT THE INTENT OF THE APPEARANCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, WHICH IS THE WRAP. YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE GET TO STRUCTURED PARKING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO. I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE DEVIATION.

I THINK WAS THE WORD GIVEN THE CONTEXT AND THE OVERALL LOOK, FEEL QUALITY.

SO THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M. I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME GOING TO WHENEVER WE GET QUESTIONED BY THE FOLKS WE REPRESENT SAYING, YES, WE GAVE A DEVELOPER ADDITIONAL DENSITY OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND THEN A BOATLOAD OF SUPER SMALL, HIGH DENSITY UNITS. AND TOWNHOMES. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY OKAY, GREAT.

WHAT DID WE GET? I THINK IT'S A FAIR ARGUMENT I WOULD MAKE OF, WELL, WE GOT 1,000,000FT² OF RETAIL THAT'S PERFORMING PRETTY WELL FOR US.

AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A LIFESTYLE CENTER COMING.

AND THEY WOULD SAY, WELL WHEN. WELL, AND YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW THE ANSWER. BUT I THINK IT'S A HARD THING TO MAKE SOME OF THESE CONCESSIONS OR BEING FLEXIBLE WITHOUT A LITTLE BIT OF BALANCE TO THE TOWN.

MAYBE SUBDISTRICT TWO DOESN'T NEED THE THE BALANCE, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER FUREY SAID THAT.

WELL, I THINK MAYBE THE BALANCE COMES IN SUB DISTRICT THREE.

MAYBE. MAYBE SUB DISTRICT TWO AS IS, IS MORE OR LESS OKAY WITH THE CONTEXT OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME BALANCE ON SUBDISTRICT THREE.

BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN THAT'S THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

AND I THINK GETTING SOME OF THE LIFESTYLE CENTER DEVELOPED IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT, I THINK.

I DON'T. I THINK IF THAT LIFESTYLE CENTER WAS COMING ONLINE, IT WAS ABOUT TO MOVE FORWARD.

I THINK PEOPLE WOULD WE WOULD BE MORE APT ON THE MULTIFAMILY TO SIGN UP FOR IT.

SO I THINK THERE'S THAT PART OF IT. WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH CLARITY ON THE LIFESTYLE CENTER TO SUPPORT US.

TO YOUR POINT, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GETTING OUT OF IT? AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT GETTING WE'RE NOT WE'RE GETTING A DREAM WITHOUT REALLY ANY REALITY BEHIND IT ON THE LIFESTYLE CENTER. YOU KNOW, THE I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT WE HAD ZONING IN 2008.

THAT WAS WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER.

I DIDN'T GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE HISTORY, BUT WE ZONE.

WE BROUGHT THE DREAM TO THE TOWN, SAID, WE'VE ASSEMBLED ALL THIS PROPERTY UP HERE AND WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING COOL.

[03:20:07]

I THINK WE HAD 1500 APARTMENTS OR SOMEWHERE IN THAT VICINITY JUST HERE.

AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER 1000 APARTMENTS OVER AT STAR TRAIL.

WE CAME TO PROSPER AND SAID, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE KNOW YOU DON'T WANT 2500 APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOME OF IT ALREADY HAD THE ZONING, BUT THE PROPERTY OVER ON THE TOLLWAY ALREADY HAD ZONING. BUT WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, BUT WE SAID, WE'LL WE'LL WORK WITH YOU. SO LET'S WORK TOGETHER AND TRY TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING.

AND SO WE STARTED OFF BY ASKING FOR WE SAID WE'LL COME DOWN TO A THOUSAND UNITS.

AND THEY KEPT CHOPPING AT US AND CHOPPING AT US.

AND WE ENDED UP AT 600. AT THE TIME WE TOLD THEM WE NEED 1000.

YOU KNOW, NOW WE WE GOT HERE AND AND AGAIN. YEAH, WE DID IT TO OURSELVES.

WE GAVE IN. WE WANTED TO GET SOMEWHERE. AND NOW ALL WE'RE DOING IS SAYING, LOOK, WE'VE WE'VE WORKED THROUGH IT.

WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT NOW WHERE WE'RE AT THE SWEET SPOT.

WE GOTTA WE GOTTA HAVE THESE APARTMENTS BACK TO, TO MAKE THIS WORK.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO AND LIKE I SAID, Y'ALL CAN GO LOOK ME UP.

YOU PROBABLY FIND THE NUMBERS AREN'T EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU THE NUMBERS WERE WERE MORE. AND WE, WE CHOPPED THEM DOWN TO, TO GIVE IN TO GET TO THIS.

AND AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET BACK SOME OF THAT AND I, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

OH, WHAT IS IT? YOU KNOW, I HEAR THAT EVERY TIME I STAND UP HERE.

WHAT ARE Y'ALL GIVING US? WHAT ARE Y'ALL GIVING US? AND I GO, I THINK I'M GIVING YOU $10 MILLION OF TAX REVENUE EVERY YEAR.

YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW. AND, AND SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT YOU WON'T GET IF YOU DON'T HAVE MULTIFAMILY IN HERE.

WHAT YOU WON'T GET IS A LIFESTYLE CENTER. OKAY.

AND SO. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN. I'M JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN GOING AROUND THIS AND AROUND THIS AND, AND THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'RE AT.

BUT WE'RE WILLING TO COMMIT TO THAT. YOU KNOW.

LIKE I SAID, THE LANGUAGE IF I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE ANY DIFFERENT.

DAVID, IF YOU GOT ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT WE COULD SAY THAT COMMITS THAT THOSE APARTMENTS WILL BE AN URBAN STYLE, YOU KNOW, RAP STYLE APARTMENT WITH WITHOUT A STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE REQUIREMENT.

NOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M NOT GOING TO STAND HERE AND TELL YOU THAT THERE WON'T BE A PARKING GARAGE IN THERE, BECAUSE THERE VERY WELL MAY BE WHEN WE GET DOWN AND START DOING THIS, IF WE IF THAT HOTEL ENDS UP GROWING BECAUSE THE END USER SAYS, I WANT MORE SPACE FOR A HOTEL, AND WE'RE COMPRESSED ON THE LAND THAT WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE FOR MULTIFAMILY, AND WE STILL GOT DEMAND, THEN YEAH, WE'LL BUILD A GARAGE IN THERE.

I'LL ALSO TELL YOU THAT IF WE BUILD THAT FIRST PHASE OF APARTMENTS AND WE FIND OUT WE'RE WRONG, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING WE NEED. WITH ONLY 300 APARTMENT UNITS AND THE ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS WE'VE ALREADY GOT, AND THAT ATTRACTS ENOUGH TENANTS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER ONE.

AND WE SEE A NEED TO BUILD ANOTHER RETAIL. YOU KNOW, NEIMAN MARCUS DECIDES THEY WANT TO COME UP HERE.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AND WE'LL GIVE UP APARTMENTS TO DO IT.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

IT'S FLEXIBLE BOTH WAYS AND WE DON'T HAVE EVERY IT'S THIS THING IS SO LARGE THAT WE DON'T HAVE EVERY TENANT LINED UP IN FRONT OF US READY TO SIGN.

IF WE DO THIS, THEY'LL DO THAT. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS IN THIS BUSINESS.

I WISH IT DID, BUT IT DOESN'T. BUT ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A CHANCE TO MAKE THIS THING WORK, AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND SELL IT.

I MEAN, I MEAN, I JUST EXPRESS MY VIEW AGAIN? I'M GOING TO SAY THIS. FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T.

THE APPEARANCE SUBDISTRICT TWO IS ACTUALLY FINE WITH ME.

MUCH OF WHAT'S BEEN COMMENTED, I DON'T AGREE WITH ANY ISSUES WITH REGARD TO THE APARTMENTS.

MY ISSUE IS WITH THE 55 FOOT LOTS AND SUBDISTRICT THREE.

AND IF THAT CAN'T BE, IF THOSE CAN'T BE AND I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH TOWNHOMES.

AND I HAVE PROBLEMS EVEN WITH A WITH WITH A PATIO HOMES.

WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THIS, TELL ME WHAT.

JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND. I THINK IT'S TOO SMALL.

AND WHAT AND WHAT TOO SMALL FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN SMALL FOR WHAT? YES. I JUST THINK THE I THINK 55 FOOT LOTS IN, IN NEIGHBORHOODS ARE TOO DENSE.

THEY FEEL TOO TIGHT. THEY FEEL THEY JUST DON'T.

$1.5 MILLION HOUSE ON A 55 FOOT LOT. YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN I'VE SEEN THOSE.

[03:25:06]

BUT I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE WITH YOU HERE NOW AT ALL.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T YOU KNOW, THE APARTMENTS ARE NOT THE ISSUE HERE AT ALL FOR ME.

AND IF, IF, IF SUBDISTRICT THREE CAN'T BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE.

IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THIS, SUBDISTRICT THREE IS THE ONE THAT'S TOTALLY CHANGED.

I MEAN, TO ME, SUBDISTRICT TWO IS VERY CLOSE.

YOU'VE ADDED THE APARTMENTS. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT'S STILL IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

SO DISTRICT THREE WAS IS A TOTAL NEW CHANGE. AND FOR ME, I'M JUST NOT I DON'T I DON'T LIKE THE THE SIZE OF THE LOTS.

I'D LOVE TO SEE SUBDISTRICT FOUR'S LOTS KIND OF MOVE OVER THERE AT LEAST AT LEAST TO MAIN STREET THERE, AND TO BEGIN DOING SOME KIND OF GRADATION DOWN TO THE TOWNHOMES PERHAPS AFTER THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THERE'S MORE THAT COULD BE DONE TO MAKE SUB-DISTRICT THREE A LITTLE LESS DENSE LOOKING AND FEELING TO ME, BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE ONE ISSUE THAT I HAVE NOW.

OTHERS HERE ON THE COMMISSION MAY BE MORE BOTHERED BY THE APARTMENTS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M. I'M NOT. THAT'S NOT WHERE I'M AT. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT COMPLETELY.

WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT. SO I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY I THINK I WOULD AGREE COMPLETELY IF WE COULD APPROVE SUBDISTRICT TWO, I THINK I WOULD BE MORE OR LESS FOR APPROVAL OF THAT, MAYBE A COUPLE LITTLE LANGUAGE THINGS, BUT THEY'RE TIED TOGETHER, SO WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT.

SEE, I, I THINK MY OPINION IS NOT ENTIRELY DISSIMILAR FROM, FROM THAT, EXCEPT I THINK FOR THE ADDITION OF THE 600 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, WE SHOULD BE GETTING A DEVELOPMENT OF LESSER DENSITY.

SOMETHING LIKE GLENN IS TALKING ABOUT IN SUBDISTRICT THREE.

SO IN MY MIND, GETTING ACROSS THE THE HUMP OF THE ADDITION OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT WITH LESS DENSITY. IN SUBDISTRICT THREE I HAD I HAVE THIS WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE.

SO WE'RE WE'RE DOUBLING AS IT'S PRESENTED HERE, DOUBLING THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS FROM 600 TO 1200.

AND THEN WE HAVE AT LEAST AS PRESENTED ABOUT HALF OF THAT ADDITIONAL 600.

SO ABOUT 250 TO 260 KIND OF OWNER OCCUPIED BUILDINGS, OF WHICH ABOUT HALF OF THAT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON SMALL LOTS. SO I THINK THEY ARE INHERENTLY TIED TOGETHER.

SOME MAY FEEL DIFFERENTLY, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS HOLISTICALLY AS FAR AS WHAT I THINK IS KIND OF A FAIR TRADE.

AND ULTIMATELY WE ALL HAVE TO MAKE OUR OWN DECISION ABOUT WHAT OUR, OUR VOTE IS AND WHAT ULTIMATELY GETS RECOMMENDED TO COUNCIL.

OKAY, WITH THAT IN MIND, WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR DENIAL.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND.

THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE. THE MOTION DIES AND WE'RE BACK TO DISCUSSION.

WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, THE ONLY OTHER OPTIONS WE HAVE ARE THE TABLE ARE TO APPROVE.

AND IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT WILLING, IT DOESN'T SUPPORT A TABLING OF IT TO TO RELOOK AT SOME OF THESE ISSUES ON SUB DISTRICT THREE.

THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT SURE IF I'M READY TO APPROVE IT.

I IT DOES LEAVE US WITH ONLY THE OPTION OF DENIAL.

SO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THEN. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON. I WILL, SECONDED ACCEPTED BY COMMISSIONER FUREY.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF DENIAL? OKAY. MOTION PASSES 4 TO 0. AND WE'LL. GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

YEP. YEP. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE. AGENDA ITEM SEVEN. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND

[7. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request to rezone 0.7± acres from Single Family-15 to Planned Development-Downtown Office on Collin County School Land Survey 12, Abstract 147, Tracts 39 & 177, located on the northwest corner of Lane Street and First Street. (ZONE-25-0001) ]

THIS IS ZONING CASE 250010001. ALL RIGHT. STAFF PRESENTATION.

[03:30:01]

THE FUTURE BUYER WHOEVER THAT MAY BE WILL DEVELOP THE SITE BASED ON THE LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES LISTED IN THE PD.

HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE. SO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS AREA IS THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT.

THIS DISTRICT RECOMMENDS A VARIETY OF BOUTIQUE TYPE LAND USES RANGING FROM UNIQUE IN LOCAL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS, RESTAURANTS AND OFFICES. AND IT ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT POTENTIALLY HISTORIC HOMES, PARTICULARLY ALONG AREAS ALONG FIRST STREET AND BROADWAY, MAY GRADUALLY CONVERT TO BOUTIQUE BOUTIQUE OFFICE AND RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THIS WHOLE BLUE AREA THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN IS THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT, SO THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY IS SINGLE FAMILY 15.

CURRENTLY IN USE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND THEN SURROUNDING.

IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR. I'LL LET YOU SEE THE ZONING MAP REALLY QUICK.

SO THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY KIND OF ADJACENT TO IT, BUT THERE'S ALSO DOWNTOWN OFFICE THAT ARE THE SIMILAR TYPE OF CONVERSION FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. I THINK PROSPER PANTRY IS ONE OF THEM.

THERE'S A FINANCIAL OFFICE. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE I THINK SOMETHING WHEN I CAN'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE BUSINESS NAME IS AT THE MOMENT.

SO HERE ARE THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS COMPARED TO THE DTO REGULATIONS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

ALL OF THESE WOULD BE THE EXACT SAME AS WHAT'S PROPOSED IN DTO.

THESE WOULD BE THE PERMITTED USES ALLOWED BY.

RIGHT. THESE WOULD BE THE PERMITTED USES ALLOWED BY SGP.

THIS IS KIND OF SPLIT. SO THIS TOP HALF IS THE TOP PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE PROPERTY. THE SITE PLAN OR THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN I SHOULD SAY FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS ALL THE BUILDING MATERIALS WOULD BE A MASONRY PRODUCT, BUT IT DOES ALLOW DAVID THE FLEXIBILITY TO APPROVE OTHER MATERIALS IF THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THAT FOR THE DESIGN FOR EXISTING STRUCTURES, EXISTING EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS NOT RELATED TO MAINTENANCE MUST BE APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR ANY NEW STRUCTURES.

BUILDING SHALL INCORPORATE COVERED PORCHES INTO THE FRONT FACADE.

A MULTIPLICITY OF ROOF FORMS AND HIGH PITCHED ROOF LINES.

AND IT RECOMMENDS ARCHITECTURAL STYLES SUCH AS CRAFTSMAN, FOLK, TRADITIONAL AND VICTORIAN.

SO HERE ARE PICTURES OF WHAT THE CURRENT PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE.

FOR THE LANDSCAPING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN DTO.

THE RIGHT IS WHAT'S REQUIRED PER THE PD. AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL OF THEM ARE THE EXACT SAME.

SO ON EVERY SINGLE BOUNDARY IT'D BE A FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH ONE ORNAMENTAL TREE EVERY 30 LINEAR FEET FOR SCREENING.

AND THIS WOULD APPLY TO THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN BOUNDARIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY.

THE DEAL ALLOWS FOR A SIX FOOT CEDAR BOARD, A CEDAR BOARD ON BOARD WOODEN FENCE ADJACENT TO THAT SINGLE FAMILY.

AND HERE'S EXHIBIT G, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO FOR NOTICES WE DID NOTICE THIS CASE FRIDAY, JULY 25TH. WE DID RECEIVE TWO LETTERS.

THE FIRST ONE WAS IN YOUR PACKET. THAT ONE DID HAVE RESTRICTIONS.

IT DIDN'T SAY THEY WERE AGAINST THEIR REQUEST.

BUT JUST SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE CERTAIN THINGS, SUCH AS SCREENING AND LESS INTENSE USES, WHICH I BELIEVE WERE PROPOSED IN THE PD. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS RECEIVED AFTER THE PACKET, WHICH I THINK WAS PROVIDED AT THE TOP OF YOUR DI.

SO THAT IS THE KIND OF SUMMARY FOR THAT CASE.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS CASE, AND SHOULD THERE BE A MOTION NOT TO TABLE.

IT WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR TOWN COUNCIL ON THE 26TH.

I WILL NOW TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE FOR ME ON THIS CASE.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OKAY, COMMISSIONER.

SO THE CONCERNS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE LETTER AT THE END, I GOTTA FIND IT.

DO WE SO FOR SCREENING WAS THERE, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T NECESSARILY NOTICE SCREENING UP FROM THE PARKING HE HAD MENTIONED SCREENING OR IS THERE A SCREENING AVAILABLE? SO THE THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS CASE IS THAT WHEN THE CASE FIRST CAME IN THE APPLICANT WILL THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S HERE TONIGHT SHE WAS GOING TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USER WHO WAS GOING TO BE AN INTERIOR DESIGN STUDIO.

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AND SO WE HAD TO USE THOSE PLANS THAT WERE PROPOSED BY THE INITIAL CONSULTANT.

BUT OBVIOUSLY WITH LIKE THE PDF AND ADOBE AND ALL THAT, IT'S JUST HARD TO ADD THOSE ADDITIONAL FEATURES ON THERE.

SO THERE ARE A BUNCH OF NOTES THAT ARE ON THE PLAN INDICATING WHAT WILL BE PROVIDED AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN FOR THE SCREENING.

AND THOSE ARE ALSO LISTED IN THE STANDARDS AS WELL.

BUT IN TERMS OF ON THE PHYSICAL PLAN, IT'S MORE OF A NOTE AS OPPOSED TO YOU SEE THE SCREEN.

SO BUT THERE IS NOTICE. FOR SOME LANDSCAPE SCREENING OR SOMETHING FROM THE NEARBY HOUSE.

THE SCREENING ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL WILL BE A SIX FOOT CEDAR BOARD ON BOARD WOODEN FENCING.

AND THEN THERE WILL ALSO BE ONE ORNAMENTAL TREE EVERY 30FT.

SO IS THAT AROUND THE PARKING LOT OR AT THE EDGE OF THE BOARD OF THE.

SO IT'S ON THE BORDERLINE OF THE PROPERTY. SO ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE PERMITTED USES? YES. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT WAS THE. AND THEN THAT'S BY.

RIGHT. SO IN THE SUP IS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. WITH THAT WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT.

NOT GOING TO FORGET THIS TIME. 1020. OH, SORRY.

IS THERE A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING FROM THE APPLICANT? DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO HIM? OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. 607 EAST FIRST STREET HERE IN PROSPER.

YEAH. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. COREY. THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING ALL THAT FOR ME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. PATIENCE. YOU PICK FIGHT THE NIGHT.

THIS HAS BEEN EYE OPENING FOR ME, TO SAY THE LEAST.

SO I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A LITTLE LESS COMPLEX THAN WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.

BUT YES, TO ANSWER, I HEARD YOU SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING.

THEY DO HAVE WHAT THEY CALL, LIKE A A PARKING LOT BUFFER ON EACH SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT.

NOW, THE PARKING, THE WAY IT WOULD WORK IS IT'S BEHIND THE HOUSE.

IT'S OFF OF FIRST STREET BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS.

THE FIRST PARCEL THAT'S ON FIRST IS THE HOUSE, AND THEN THE VACANT PARCEL IS BEHIND THAT ALONG LANE STREET.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING WOULD BE. SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT FROM FIRST, BUT ALONG LANE.

THEY DO HAVE LANDSCAPING BUFFERS PUT IN THERE.

BUT AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE ALSO GOT SOME LANDSCAPE AROUND TO BLOCK IT FROM THE HOMES THAT ARE NEXT DOOR TO YOU. WELL, THERE REALLY ISN'T A HOME NEXT DOOR.

THERE'S LANE STREET SEPARATES US FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST.

OKAY. FIRST STREET SEPARATES US FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, SO WE'RE ON A BIG CORNER.

THE SIX FOOT CEDAR BOARD ON BOARD FENCE IS WHAT SEPARATES US FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS ALSO SEPARATED BY THE VACANT LOT AS WELL.

OKAY, SO THAT'S A BIG BUFFER IN ITSELF. THEN YOU HAVE THE SIX FOOT FENCE.

THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS ALSO GOING TO BE SEPARATED BY A SIX FOOT BOARD AND BOARD CEDAR FENCE WITH THOSE ORNAMENTAL TREES EVERY 30FT.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. GREAT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, NO. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STICKING IT OUT.

SO WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 1023.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? NO. OKAY.

WE'LL CLOSE IT AT TEN 23.5 AND A HALF. I'M JUST HAPPY THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO BE REMINDED.

THAT'S A WIN. ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTARY? GOOD.

I WILL TAKE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE.

ITEM SEVEN NUMBER. I'LL SECOND THAT NUMBER TO IT.

NUMBER TWO. IT IT'S BEEN A LONG. IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER BLANCHETTE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON.

ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES 4 TO 0. AND ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FOR THE DAY.

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[8. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.]

ON THE 22ND DAY. YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 22ND.

SO FOR THE FUTURE TOWN COUNCIL ITEMS ON THE 12TH.

ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S THE ORDINANCE AND THE DA FOR THE PD AT 307 AT 305 EAST SEVENTH.

THAT SPLIT THE LOTS THAT WERE SF 15. AND THE NOTICE OF APPEALS FOR ANY PSP OR SITE PLAN APPROVED TONIGHT.

AND THEN ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, IT'S THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR FIRST LEGACY SHOPPING CENTER THAT YOU GUYS SAW ON THE 15TH.

THAT'LL BE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA FOR COUNCIL NEXT WEEK.

AND THEN FOR FUTURE PNC ITEMS. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS STILL BEING DETERMINED FOR THE REGULAR AGENDA.

I BELIEVE THAT PROBABLY THIS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.

THERE'S A PD AMENDMENT FOR PD 69 FOR HEB TO ALLOW FOR STORAGE CONTAINERS.

ON THE REAR OF THE SITE. DAVID, I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN TOO MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR THAT ONE, IT IS EXACTLY LIKE IT SOUNDS. I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD THIS ONE BEFORE.

TWO 40 FOOT CONTAINERS THAT WOULD BE THERE PRIMARILY ALL THE TIME FOR TEN OR 11 OR 12 EVENTS, SPECIAL EVENTS A YEAR, WHATEVER THOSE ARE. I'M NOT SURE WE'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN A LIST YET.

SO THEY'D BASICALLY BE THERE FULL TIME? YEAH, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE GET WHEN IT GETS TO Y'ALL.

BUT WE HAVE OUR DOUBTS. FAIR ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT.

AND I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. SO THAT'S IT FOR ITEM EIGHT.

WELL, I THINK THAT MOVES US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH WOULD BE MOVED TO ADJOURN.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON TO ADJOURN. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER? AYE. ALL IN FAVOR? BUT OPPOSED? I'M SORRY. ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. IT'S OKAY IF YOU'VE ALREADY OR YOU CAN VOTE.

I THINK WE'RE I BELIEVE THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER IS THE DAY AFTER LABOR DAY.

AND I KNOW THERE'S ONLY FOUR OF YOU TO ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT SINCE THERE'S ONLY FOUR NOW BECAUSE THREE OF YOU ARE MISSING.

ARE ANY OF YOU ALL PLANNING ON BEING GONE AT THAT TIME TO WHERE WE COULD CONCEIVABLY TRY AND MANIPULATE THE WHAT'S ON THAT MEETING, SO TO SPEAK, SO WE DON'T WIND UP HAVING A TIGHT GROUP, HAVING TO SIT THROUGH LONG MEETINGS AGAIN.

AND IF SOMETHING COMES UP, IF YOU'LL JUST LET US KNOW SO WE CAN SEE WE'RE THE LAST.

WE'LL ASK YOU AGAIN AT THE AUGUST MEETING. I MEAN, THE THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST, BUT STILL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. OH, THERE WE GO.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.