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THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE TUESDAY, JUNE 17TH, 2025 PROPER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER AT 6:21 P.M. FIVE COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT WITH EXCEPTION TO COMMISSIONER DANIELS AND COMMISSIONER HARRIS, WHO LET US KNOW AHEAD OF SCHEDULE THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND. FOR THOSE WANTING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, CITIZENS AND OTHER VISITORS ATTENDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS SHALL OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETARY DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. ANY PERSON MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION OR WHILE ATTENDING THE MEETING, SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM, IF SO DIRECTED BY THE COMMISSION OR PRESIDING OFFICER, AND THE PERSON SHALL BE BARRED FROM FURTHER ATTENDANCE BEFORE THE COMMISSION DURING THAT SESSION OF THE MEETING. DISRUPTION OF A PUBLIC MEETING COULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTION 42.05 OF THE TEXAS PENAL CODE. OUR SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. MAY YOU ALL STAND. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OUR THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE IN NATURE AND NONCONTROVERSIAL. THE CONSENT AGENDA CAN BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR STAFF MEMBER. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT? IF NOT, OTHERWISE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THREE A TO THREE N. DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE? I'D LIKE TO PULL THREE E AND F AND THREE JKL SINCE THEY'RE ALL RELATED. SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.THREE E AND THREE F AND THREE J, THREE K AND THREE L, THREE E, THREE F, THREE J, THREE L.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO PULL ANYTHING TONIGHT? 3M3. AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS EXCLUDING THREE E, THREE F, THREE J, THREE L AND THREE N. SO MOVED. IS THAT RIGHT? I WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A SECOND. SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO APPROVE ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS INCLUDING THREE E, THREE F, THREE J, THREE L AND THREE N, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND 3K0 SORRY. AND THREE K AS WELL. YEAH. AND THREE K. SO DO WE HAVE THE MOTION. SO. ALL RIGHT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 3A3B3C3D, 3G3H, THREE I AND THREE N. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE SOMEONE HAS ONE A SECOND SECOND.
OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO APPROVE ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT COMMISSIONER CARSON JUST SAID? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. CARRIES WITH A650. SO ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S RIGHT. THAT IS A LOT.
YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. DID YOU GET ALL OF THOSE TO CARRY? ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PRESENT THREE E AND THREE F TOGETHER SINCE THEY'RE COMPANION ITEMS? SURE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM THREE E IS A WAIVER FOR LOT FRONTAGE TO ALLOW LOT THREE TO HAVE FRONTAGE ONTO A FIRE LANE ACCESS UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT INSTEAD OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SOME HISTORY ON THIS PLAN IS THAT THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT 116 SHOWED FOUR LOTS, WITH TWO OF THE LOTS NOT HAVING FRONTAGE ONTO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THERE'S A STIPULATION IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT SAYS A WAIVER MAY BE APPROVED FOR LOTS AND NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT CANNOT ACHIEVE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC STREET, PROVIDED THERE IS ADEQUATE ACCESS THROUGH PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENTS FROM PUBLIC STREET. SOME OF THE CRITERIA YOU CAN SEE BELOW. SOME ADDITIONAL FINDINGS ALSO SHOULD BE PRESENTED WHEN EVALUATING A
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WAIVER REQUEST. ONE KIND OF THE MIDDLE ONE THERE THAT THE SUBDIVISION WAIVER IS NECESSARY FOR THE PRESERVATION AND ENJOYMENT OF A SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY RIGHT OF THE APPLICANT.THERE WAS ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY THAT DID ALLOW FOR THE CONFIGURATION IN THE CONCEPT PLAN TO HAVE LOTS WITHOUT LOT FRONTAGE. AND SO THIS PLAN IS KIND OF JUST MIRRORING THAT. EXCEPT INSTEAD OF TWO LOTS WITHOUT FRONTAGE, IT'S JUST ONE LOT WITHOUT FRONTAGE. THERE'S THE SITE. AND SO THIS LOT THREE IN THE BACK IS THE ONE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE THE FRONTAGE. AND THEN THIS IS THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN. YOU CAN SEE HERE THOSE TWO LOTS HIGHLIGHTED WHERE THE TWO LOTS IN THE APPROVED PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT DID NOT HAVE THE FRONTAGE.
AND THEN THE CORRESPONDING PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN IS FOR FRONTIER SOUTH BLOCK A LOTS ONE THROUGH THREE. THE PURPOSE IS TO CONSTRUCT TWO RESTAURANT AND RETAIL BUILDINGS AND ONE RETAIL BUILDING TOTALING 62,730FT■!S. N LOT ONE AND TWO, THERE WOULD BE A RESTAURANT AND RETAIL BUILDING. ON LOT THREE, THERE WILL BE A RETAIL BUILDING, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE ONTO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. LIKE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THERE'S AN APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN AND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT ALLOWED FOR A CONFIGURATION OF TWO LOTS ON FRONTAGE ONTO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THERE WAS APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN AND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 116 THAT SHOWED FOUR LOTS WITH TWO OF THE LOTS NOT HAVING FRONTAGE ONTO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO THIS PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN HAS THREE LOTS, AND ONLY ONE OF THEM DOESN'T HAVE THE FRONTAGE ONTO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. FOR SCREENING, THERE WILL BE A LIVING SCREEN PROPOSED ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF LOT TWO. DUE TO ADJACENCY WITH THE LOT BEING ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S PROSPER UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, BUT THEIR ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY 15, AND THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES SCREENING ADJACENT TO ANY LOT ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL, AND IT WILL BE COMPRISED OF EITHER AMERICAN PILLAR. I'M GOING TO BUTCHER THIS NEXT WORD ARBOR ARBORVITAE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT. OR CAROLINA CHERRY LAUREL TREES AND DETAILS FOR THE LIVING SCREEN WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THE SITE. PLAN FOR LOT TWO AND STAFF IS CONDITIONING THE APPROVAL OF THIS UPON THE CREATION OF A PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION PRIOR TO THE RECORDATION OF A PLOT TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY, AND THEN TOWN COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER FOR THE LOT FRONTAGE FOR LOT THREE. AND THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THERE. AND I WILL NOW TAKE QUESTION OVER THESE ITEMS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I GUESS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS THAT PULL THE ITEM. WOULD YOU LIKE TO START WITH SOME QUESTIONS? YEAH, I GUESS SHOULD HAD THIS ZONING COME TO US. CURRENTLY, I GUESS WE WOULDN'T TYPICALLY APPROVE ZONING WITHOUT FRONTAGE ONTO A MAJOR ROAD LIKE PRESTON ROAD. RIGHT. BUT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED OR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, KNOWING THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME. NON FRONTAGE. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT ACCESS TO THAT BACK BUILDING? I GUESS ANY BETTER THAN IT IS? I KNOW IT WENT FROM OFFICE TO RETAIL, SO OBVIOUSLY THE USES CHANGED. RIGHT? AND THE PARKING WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY FOR THE FACT THAT IT'S RETAIL VERSUS OFFICE, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ADEQUATE PARKING ON THE PLAN. I GUESS JUST THE PATH THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE TO GET TO THAT BACK BUILDING WAS JUST A LITTLE CONCERNING. AND THAT'S THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, AT LEAST FROM A PLANNINGSPECTIVE.
WHEN WE EVALUATE THESE PLANS, WE RELY HEAVILY ON OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND IF THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE CONFIGURATION AND FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE LOT, THEN WE ARE OKAY WITH THE PLAN AS WELL. SO THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH FIRE. ANY QUESTION FROM THEM? IT PASSED ALL THE ALL THE OTHER CHECKS AND BALANCES TO MEET APPROVAL, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS WELL. CORRECT. AND IT MATCHES WHAT THE ZONING REQUEST. OKAY. CORRECT. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS DO. ANYONE ELSE? MR. CARSON? ONLY IT'S PROBABLY A SIMPLE QUESTION, BUT YOU MENTIONED THE USE IS NOW RETAIL AND IT'S A LITTLE FUZZY IN THE PACKET. SO I APOLOGIZE I THINK I'M SEEING 79 REQUIRED SPACES ON LOT THREE. BUT AND THEN 83 PROVIDED FOR ADA. SO PRETTY MUCH WE'RE LITERALLY MEETING EXACTLY ON PARKING RETAIL. IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S 83 SPACES IN THE BLUE. I'M LOOKING AT THE PACKET PROVIDED ONLINE, BUT I ASSUME THOSE CALCULATIONS ARE CONFIRMED AND CHECKED. AND JUST WHEN YOU CHANGE TO A RETAIL USE FROM AN OFFICE USE, I'M SURE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT GOES UP.
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YEAH, THE RATIO GOES UP A LITTLE BIT. SO YOU'RE BRINGING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC? VERY. VERY HARD TO GET TO. AND YOU'RE PUTTING A HIGHER DENSITY USE FOR IT TOO. RIGHT. WELL, AND ONE OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ON THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN, IT WAS A MULTI-STORIED OFFICE BUILDING. AND SO ALTHOUGH MAY HAVE A LOWER RATIO FOR OFFICE, THE PARKING MAY HAVE BEEN SIMILAR TO WHAT IT IS FOR RETAIL, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR BOTH STORIES. OKAY. THERE ISN'T ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST OR SOUTH THAT WOULD CONNECT CONNECT INTO THIS, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S ALL OPEN SPACE OR GREEN SPACE. I GUESS YOU SAID TO THE WEST, THERE'S NO MORE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NEXT THAT WILL CONNECT TO THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT? THAT'LL CONNECT TO THE LOT THREE. YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS THREE E AND THREE F. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE GOT A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HAMILTON, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CARSON. ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THREE AND THREE F, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO. THE NEXT ONE IS 3JJ THROUGH THREE L. YES. OKAY. THIS IS THE SAME. BASICALLY THE SAME QUESTION IN THE TIME THAT WE THAT I'VE BEEN ON, WE HADN'T HAD ANY WAIVERS DUE TO LOTS NOT FACING OUR FRONTING A MAJOR ROAD. AND WE HAD TO KIND OF BACK TO BACK TONIGHT. RIGHT. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OR JUST KIND OF GET TO THE IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME THE HIGHLIGHTS. YEAH. OR THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. YOU CAN WALK THROUGH IT. YEAH. OKAY. WE'RE CLEAR. SO ITEMS THREE J AND THREE L ARE ALL IN COMBINATION WITH ONE ANOTHER. ITEM THREE J IS A WAIVER FOR LOT FRONTAGE FOR LOTS THREE AND NINE. THE PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW FOR LOTS THREE AND NINE TO FRONT ONTO A FILING ACCESS UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT INSTEAD OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, IT DOES MAKE THE MENTION THAT A WAIVER MAY BE APPROVED FOR LOTS AND NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT CANNOT ACHIEVE ACCESS ONTO A PUBLIC STREET, PROVIDED THERE'S ADEQUATE ACCESS THROUGH PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENTS. AGAIN, THERE ARE CERTAIN CRITERIA TO BE EVALUATED WHEN GIVING A WAIVER.THERE'S ALSO FINDINGS THAT SHOULD BE PRESENTED WHEN EVALUATING A WAIVER REQUEST. AND YOU CAN SEE THE STIPULATIONS BELOW. THREE IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR LOTS ONE, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE. THE PURPOSE IS TO CONSTRUCT TWO RESTAURANT RETAIL BUILDINGS, HEALTH STUDIO, PARKING AND OPEN SPACE, WITH THE BUILDING AREA TOTALING 139,165FT■!S. ON LOT THREE, THERE'S GOING TO BE THE HEALTH STUDIO WITH NO FRONTAGE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. LOT FIVE IS PARKING. IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. 711 CAME IN WITH THE SITE PLAN FOR LOT FIVE. LOT FIVE IS BEING MODIFIED IN THIS PSP. THE BOUNDARY IS INCREASING TO THE NORTHERN SIDE OF IT. AND THEN ON LOT EIGHT ON THE FRONT THAT'LL BE ON FRONTIER PARKWAY. THERE'S GOING TO BE RESTAURANT RETAIL BUILDINGS, TWO OF THEM. AND THEN BEHIND THE HEALTH STUDIO THERE'S GOING TO BE LOT NINE CREATED. THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE AND FLOODPLAIN. THAT ALSO DOES NOT HAVE FRONTAGE ON TO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PSP BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING ALTERED BY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. LOTS ONE AND FOUR ARE JUST GOING TO BE POINTS OF ACCESS TO LOT THREE, AND THEN LOT SIX IS THE BOUNDARY FOR THAT IS GETTING ADJUSTED BASED ON THIS PLAN. SO SOME HISTORY. A REVISED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED BY PNC ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2021. IT HAD LOT THREE, AND IT WAS A SINGULAR LOT THAT INCLUDED LOTS THREE, FIVE AND EIGHT ON THE CURRENT PSP THAT YOU SEE TODAY. AND THEN IT HAD THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BOUNDARY CONFIGURATION FOR LOT FIVE. AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, A SITE PLAN FOR LOT, LOT FIVE, EXCUSE ME, WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024, AND THE BOUNDARY MATCHED UP WITH WHAT WAS ON THE EXPIRED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. BUT AGAIN, THAT BOUNDARY IS BEING CHANGED WITH THIS PSP AND THEN STAFF IS CONDITIONING THIS APPROVAL UPON WAIVER OF LOT FRONTAGE ALONG PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY FOR LOT THREE. AND THE LAST COMPANION ITEM FOR THIS ONE. AND YOU CAN SEE HERE. THIS IS LOT EIGHT RIGHT THERE WITH THE TWO RETAIL BUILDINGS. LOT FIVE THIS IS THE PREVIOUS BOUNDARY FOR LOT FIVE WAS RIGHT HERE. AND NOW IT'S EXTENDING UP THERE. LOT THREE
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WHERE THE HEALTH STUDIO IS GOING TO BE. AND THEN THIS IS LOT NINE WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN LOT IS. AND YOU KIND OF SEE IT ALL IN TOTALITY THERE. THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN. SO ALL OF THIS WAS ONE LOT ON THE PSP. THIS WAS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR THE 7-ELEVEN PARKING LOT FIVE ITEM THREE L IS A CONVEYANCE PLAT FOR LOTS THREE, FIVE, EIGHT AND NINE. THE PURPOSE IS TO CREATE FOUR NEW LOTS. FROM ONE PLATTED LOT. THERE WAS A REVISED CONVEYANCE PLAT APPROVED BY PNC ON MAY 5TH, 2020. IT SHOWED LOT THREE ON THAT PLAN AS A SINGULAR LOT THAT CONTAINED WHAT IS NOW LOTS THREE, FIVE, EIGHT, AND NINE, AND STAFF IS ALSO CONDITIONING THE APPROVAL OF THIS CONVEYANCE PLAT UPON THE CREATION OF THE PLA. PRIOR TO THE RECORDATION OF THE PLAT AND TOWN COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE LOTS THAT DON'T FALL INTO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.AND SO THIS WAS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CONVEYANCE PLAT THAT SHOWED ALL THOSE FOUR LOTS, INCLUDING LOT FIVE IS ONE. LOT THREE. AND THAT IS IT. SO I WILL NOW ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT YOU. GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE BEFORE THREE M. THIS ONE. YES. THANK YOU. AND I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT AND THE ENGINEER ARE HERE TONIGHT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL. SO, DAVID, IF IT'S A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, ARE THE APPLICANT ABLE TO SPEAK OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO COMMISSIONERS IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PLEASE. PROBABLY AN EASY ONE. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. BUT FORGIVE ME ON THE GREEN AND BLUE LANDSCAPE PAGE. OPEN SPACE VERSUS LANDSCAPE AREA. REMIND ME HOW WE DISTINGUISH EACH OF THOSE. RIGHT. SO OPEN SPACE IS NOT REQUIRED. LANDSCAPING. SO IN ORDINANCE WE HAVE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING WHETHER THOSE BE PARKING ISLANDS BUFFERS ALONG THOROUGHFARES. AND THOSE CANNOT BE COUNTED TOWARDS OPEN SPACE.
OPEN SPACE HAS TO BE GREEN SPACE OUTSIDE OF THAT REQUIRED LANDSCAPING. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THIS ONE, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A MORE DIRECT PATH TO GET TO THE BUILDING. SO I HAD LESS OF AN ISSUE THAN I DID THE LAST ONE. I FELT LIKE AT LEAST THERE WAS MORE OF A DIRECT PATH ON TO FRONT FROM FRONTIER, FOR EXAMPLE. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. MATT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. AGENDA ITEM THREE J, THREE K AND THREE L. WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HAMILTON. POINT OF POINT OF ORDER. I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. CAN WE MAKE THAT MOTION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT TOWN STAFF HAS AS WELL? THEY HAD MULTIPLE ON THE THREE AGENDA ITEMS. THEY HAD CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL. SURE.
SUBJECT TO TOWN STAFF COMMENTS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HAMILTON TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THREE K, THREE, THREE, THREE J, K AND THREE. INCLUDING STAFF COMMENTS INCLUDING STAFF COMMENTS FOR IT. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FIORE? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO. ITEM 33N3. D I CAN LET ME JUMP TO THE QUESTION I HAVE. OKAY. EXCUSE ME, I THINK HE'S IN HIS AND NANCY. RIGHT. OR MM3M3M. OKAY. SO AND JUST LOOKING AT THIS, CAN YOU COMPARE THIS TO THE PRIOR PLAN. WE HAD A PRELIMINARY PLAT BEFORE. RIGHT. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE LOT WIDTHS ON THE IN THIS PLAN HAS A LOT OF SMALLER LOTS THAN WHAT WAS INCLUDED. WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN THE PRIOR PRELIMINARY PLAT. SO IS THERE A COMPARISON THAT YOU CAN SHOW ME, OR CAN YOU CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? DID THE DID THE LOTS GET SMALLER IN THIS? IN THIS PLAN? I DON'T HAVE A COMPARISON CHART ABOUT. THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT COMPARED TO THIS ONE. IN
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TERMS OF THE LOT WIDTHS. I DO KNOW THAT THE LOT COUNT IS RELATIVELY THE SAME AS WHAT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY. LESS RELATIVELY, I WANT TO SAY 10 TO 15 LOTS, MORE OR LESS. 10 TO 15 LESS. LOTS OR MORE? LESS. OKAY. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY RECONFIGURED THE PLAT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MORE. IF YOU SEE KIND OF THE SPINE ROAD THAT RUNS DOWN THE MIDDLE, THEY LEAVE SOME AREAS FOR OPEN SPACE THAT SAVES A BUNCH OF TREES THAT PREVIOUSLY THE PREVIOUS PRELIMINARY PLAT DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME ROAD CONFIGURATION. I THINK THIS CONFIGURATION WAS DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT WOULD KEEP THE NATURAL. TREE AREA, PRESERVE IT AS BEST THEY COULD. BUT I HAD WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAS THE LOTS THAT ARE TO THE WEST OR TO THE EAST OF THAT SPINE AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT. SEEM LIKE THEY WENT DOWN IN SIZE. AT LEAST, AT LEAST IN FRONTAGE WIDTHS AND STUFF. SO FROM THE FROM THE PRIOR PLAT, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO CONFIRM THAT AS IS IF WE KNOW. AND I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS TO COMPARE TO, TO GIVE THAT TO YOU, THE ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE LOTS ARE STILL COMPLIANT WITH THE PD THAT WAS APPROVED, AND THE LOT WIDTHS ARE STILL COMPLIANT AND THE LOT SIZES ARE STILL COMPLIANT. THE LOT COUNTY COMMISSIONER LOT COUNT CHANGE BY THREE LOTS. IT WAS 285 AND IT'S NOW 288 IS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SAW. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN WIDTH BETWEEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THIS PLAT? THE PREVIOUS PRELIMINARY PLAT? THERE'S A CHART IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT I THINK WILL ADDRESS THOSE UNDER THE DIFFERENT SIZE OF THE LOTS. IT TALKS ABOUT WIDTH. WHAT WAS THE DARK ONES OR WHAT WERE IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THEN WHAT WAS OUTLINED IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND IT SHOWS AND IT APPEARS THAT THE WIDTHS ARE THE SAME. THEY'RE EITHER 80FT FOR THE TYPE A LOTS, 70FT FOR THE TYPE B LOTS, AND 55FT FOR THE TYPE C LOTS. AND THOSE SEEM TO BE CONSISTENT BETWEEN WHAT WAS PREVIOUS AND WHAT'S NOW. ARE THE IN THE IN THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS. THERE SEEMS TO BE 30 LESS OF THE TYPE C LOTS TOTAL, SO THERE'S 30 LOTS LESS IN THIS ROUND THAN THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY. THERE'S LESS TYPE C LOTS 30 LESS TYPE C LOTS. WHICH ARE THE SMALLEST ONES. YEAH. THERE WERE 145. NOW THERE'S 110. SO THAT IT SHOWS THAT THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH FOR TYPE C IS 55FT. YES, SIR. SO BUT ARE THERE ANY. I DIDN'T SEE ANY 55 FOOT. I SAW I THE SMALLEST I SAW WAS 60 FOOT. IS THAT CORRECT IN HERE. THAT'S POSSIBLE. THESE WERE JUST WHAT THE MINIMUMS WOULD BE. SO THEY CAN CAN HAVE THEM LARGER. THEY JUST CAN'T HAVE THEM ANY SMALLER OBVIOUSLY. I MEAN I'M NOT REAL CRAZY ABOUT 55 FOOT LOTS WITH LOTS. I THINK THAT'S TOO SMALL. AND IS THAT IF THERE'S NOT ANY IN HERE, YOU KNOW, IS IT POSSIBLE TO FOR THIS TO BE AMENDED TO BE TO MAKE THAT MINIMUM LOT WITH 60 FOOT, IF THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S DRAWN HERE? IS ANYBODY HERE. DO YOU KNOW? YEAH. CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRES? FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S TOTAL FOR CLEARVIEW DRIVE. ALLEN, TEXAS.I'M THE ENGINEER WORKING ON THE PROJECT THAT DRAFTED THE PLAT. THERE ARE NO LOT. THE SMALLEST LOT WIDTH PROPOSED IS 60 FOOT. SO THE ZONING ALLOWS FOR A MINIMUM 55. BUT EVERY LOT ON THE PLAT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS 60FT OR GREATER. WOULD WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO AMENDING THIS TO SAY 60 FOOT AS THE MINIMUM? I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP IN. AND SO THAT WOULD BE AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CAN BE DONE THROUGH THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT. IT'S OUR ONLY JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLOT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THAT ZONING ORDINANCE. BUT WE CANNOT BE MAKING AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE THROUGH
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THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT. WHAT MR. PAGE SAID THERE, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO AMEND IT TO A SMALLER WIDTH. WE ARE LOCKED IN. ONCE YOU HAVE APPROVED PLAT, WE'RE KIND OF LOCKED INTO THIS LAYOUT THAT SHOWS 60 FOOT LOTS. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A NEED FOR THAT REQUIREMENT. ALL RIGHT.THANKS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION I MOVE. WE APPROVE. ITEM THREE M WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BLANSETT TO APPROVE ITEM THREE M DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HAMILTON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO. APPROVED. OKAY. CITIZEN COMMENTS. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC.
HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS, DO WE HAVE ANY ANY COMMENTS? OH YES. YES. YEAH TWO.
YES. WE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. YEAH. SO WE HAVE TWO. TWO. ARE THESE RELATED TO THIS. YEAH. BUT THEY DON'T SAY THAT THEY WANT TO. YEAH OKAY. SHE'S RIGHT. SO NO POINT. FOR YOU. TO KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS. YEAH. SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO OFFER THESE ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO THOSE ARE CITIZEN COMMENTS OKAY. SO WE HAVE. YEAH. YEAH. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT. YOU CAN ASK THEM THEIR AGENDA. REALLY. WHAT'S THAT. NO THESE WOULD BE THE TIME FOR THEM TO DO THAT. YEAH. SO IF THERE'S ANY CITIZENS THAT WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT YOU CAN COME UP. NOW. WE HAVE FRED COSTA AND CARMEN. I DON'T WANT TO BUTCHER YOUR LAST NAME. OH. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND ALL THE GOOD STUFF, PLEASE. FRED COSTA. AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCES THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED. ADVANCEMENTS IN LIGHTING TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE AN UPDATE TO SECTION 4.6.8 OF OUR TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE NECESSARY, AND DUE TO THE INCREASE IN DENSITY OF HOMES AND PROSPER, LIGHT TRESPASS IS NOW A PROBLEM BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, NOT JUST COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SECTION GUESS YOU CAN GIVE HIM HIS THREE MINUTES. THREE MINUTES? YOU WANT TO. YEAH. MANUALLY COUNT THAT OFF. OKAY. OKAY. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POWER AS LIGHTS WENT OFF. OKAY. YOU COULD BUY AT HOME DEPOT A SPOTLIGHT THAT USES 15W WORTH OF POWER BUT CREATES 1300 WATTS OF LOOMS. THE EXEMPTION IN 4.6.8. B CREATES AN EXEMPTION FOR 75W OF POWER. SO 15 TO 75 IS FIVE TIMES. NOW, IF YOU STEP 1300 UP TO SIX, 30, 60, 600, 6500, YOU'RE BURNING MY EYEBROWS OFF. WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT FOR LOOMS AND NOT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT'S A POWER RATING. OKAY. AND THAT'S DONE, BY THE WAY, IN YOUR SECTION, 4.6.5 AND 4.6.9, ONE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, THE OTHER THING IS YOU HAVE AN EXEMPTION FOR MOTION DETECTOR LIGHTS BETWEEN HOMES AND MOTION DETECTOR LIGHTS. THEY'RE USING LEDS, WHICH ARE ALSO VERY BRIGHT. YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THAT EXEMPTION BECAUSE YOU COULD STROBE IN YOUR BEDROOM A LIGHT ALL NIGHT LONG. AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARY. THAT CREATES NUISANCE AND POSSIBLY
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LAWSUITS AND NOT FOR YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NEIGHBORS. SO THAT'S WHY THE LAW OR ORDINANCES NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIC AND CLEAR. SO WE AVOID PROBLEMS BETWEEN NEIGHBORS. AND THAT'S WHAT I GOT TO SAY FOR TODAY. THANK YOU THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. SO WE HAVE ANOTHER CITIZEN COMMENT FROM MISS CARMEN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME SPEAK? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME.APPRECIATE IT. HI, COMMISSIONER. TWO BROTHERS. I CAME UP HERE TO JUST FIND A RESOLUTION.
BASICALLY BECAUSE I HAVE A TINY LITTLE PROPERTY, A 60 SQUARE FOOT. AND REZONING A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A MAKE A BARBERSHOP THAT WOULD FIT THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S NEEDED AND DO SOMETHING PRETTY BECAUSE WE DESERVE SOMETHING PRETTY, RIGHT. UPDATE IT NICE. AND SO THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING. I HAVE NOT MOVED THE BUILDING, NOR TO THE LEFT, NOR TO THE RIGHT. IT'S AN EXISTING TINY LITTLE HOME, NOT ALTER WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOME. AND SO NOW FROM THERE'S THE FRONT OF THE. IT WAS TOOK SO MUCH OUT OF MY PROPERTY TO EXTEND THE STREET, WHICH I'M VERY EAGER TO SEE THAT PROJECT. IT WILL BENEFIT ME WITH THE, WITH THE PARKING LOTS IN THE FUTURE. AND SO I'M HAPPY FOR THAT. BUT THAT TRIGGERS THE SETBACK OF MY HOUSE. SO NOW BECAUSE OF THAT, I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO BASICALLY DO AN EXTENSION OF TO EXTEND THAT 860 SQUARE FOOT TO ANOTHER 500 OR SO, TO MAKE IT JUST A MOVABLE AND, YOU KNOW, SPATIAL AND ALL THAT. I'M NOT ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE AFTER GOING THROUGH THE PROJECT, SECOND MEETING, FIRST MEETING, SECOND MEETING, AT THE END OF WHEN MY PROJECT IS READY CAME UP AND ROSE UP, A PROBLEM WAS LIKE, BUT WAIT, YOU CANNOT EXPAND A NON-CONFORMING BUILDING. SO WELL, IF THAT'S NON-CONFORMING, I DON'T KNOW HOW BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROPERTY LINE HAS NOT BEEN MOVED IN. MY BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN MOVED. IT'S A GRANDFATHER IN IT'S NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE I'M MISSING ONE FOOT TO THE TO THE WEST SIDE, WHICH I HAVE NOT MOVED THE BUILDING. IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING, NOR THE FRONT. I IT'S. YOU GUYS TOOK SO MUCH OUT OF THE PROPERTY THAT I BECOME NON-CONFORMING. SO BASED ON THAT, I WILL WANT TO REQUEST A VARIANCE TO, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY, GO ON WITH MY PROJECT AND JUST MAKE SOME MONEY. SO THAT'S ONE VARIANCE. AND THE SECOND VARIANCE WAS LIKE, IF YOU GUYS DON'T ALLOW ME TO DO ANYTHING AND JUST STAY WITH MY GRANDFATHER OR WHATEVER, THE BUILDING IN THE STRUCTURE IS, THE PARKING, PARKING PARKING RATIO. IT'S ALSO AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT IS OFFERING SERVICES.
SERVICES. THAT'S TIME. IT'S 350 INSTEAD OF 250. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING. AND THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO DO WE HAVE TO BE RECORDED OR. NO FOR THE REST OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WAS THAT. OH YEAH. WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. SO THAT'S. THANK YOU. I GUESS WE'RE IN TIME OUT UNTI SO A QUESTION FOR IT. ARE WE GOOD TO GO. THEY'RE RECORDING AND EVERYTHING. ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS OUR REGULAR AGENDA. OH. SO. OH, MAN. YEAH. THAT DON'T EVEN SOUND RIGHT. PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.007 OF TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR ITEMS LISTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE RECOGNIZED WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. THE FIRST ITEM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR WE HAVE IS TO
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CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON REQUEST TO REZONE 373.5 PLUS ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, ALLOWING FOR BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND AGE RESTRICTED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PARVIN ROAD AND 2070 PLUS FEET EAST OF FM 1385, THIS IS ZONING 20 4-0022. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ALL RIGHT. SO THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO CONSTRUCT A MAXIMUM OF 800 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON PLUS OR -373.5 ACRES ON THE EASTERN TRACT. THIS WILL BE A MAXIMUM OF 275 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON 181.8 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS. AND ON THE WESTERN TRACK THERE'LL BE A MAXIMUM OF 525 AGE RESTRICTED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON 191.7 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES. SO HERE IS A LOCATION MAP OF THE AREA IN TOTALITY. SO ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THIS AREA IS. ALL OF THIS AREA IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. CURRENTLY MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RECOMMENDS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNITS ON LOTS RANGING FROM 12,500FT■!S TO 20,000FT■!S. ALS, NEIGHBORHOODS. MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS MAY HAVE A VARIATION OF LOT SIZES, PROVIDED THAT THE DENSITY IS WITHIN 1.6 TO 2.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. ON THE EASTERN TRACT, THE LOT SIZES RANGE FROM.10,000FT■!S TO 12,500FT■!S, WITN OVERALL DENSITY OF 2.1 UNITS PER ACRE. ON THE WESTERN TRACT.
HOWEVER, THEY WILL NEED TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN TO BE HIGH DENSITY AS IT DOESN'T COMPLY CURRENTLY WITH THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL QUALIFICATIONS. HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RECOMMENDS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNITS ON LOTS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN 10,000FT■!S, AND THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WILL HAVE A DENSITY OF GREATER THAN 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE. THE WESTERN TRACT HAS LOT SIZES RANGING FROM 7500FT■!S TO 10,000FT■!S, WITH N OVERALL DENSITY OF THREE UNITS PER ACRE. HERE IS A FUTURE LAND USE EXHIBIT OF THE AREA SO YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRE BOUNDARY. CURRENTLY IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN WINDSONG OVER HERE IS HIGH. YOU'VE GOT RETAIL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO THE WEST, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AS WELL TO THE WEST. THE CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL. THE FUTURE LAND USE OF MEDIUM DENSITY. TO THE NORTH, THE CITY OF SALINA. TO THE EAST IT IS PD 40, WHICH IS WINDSONG RANCH. TO THE SOUTH IS ALSO PD 40, BUT THAT HAS BEEN DEDICATED FOR PARKS. AND THEN TO THE WEST IT'S AGRICULTURAL AND VACANT, BUT THE FUTURE LAND USE IS HIGH DENSITY. RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. AND YOU CAN SEE HERE IT'S KIND OF A ZONING MAP THAT BREAKS ALL OF THAT DOWN. NOW. SO FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SECTION, THE EASTERN TRACT, THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS. THE BASE ZONING FOR TYPE A LOTS WILL BE SINGLE FAMILY 12.5, AND THE BASE ZONING FOR TYPE B LOTS WILL BE DEVELOPED TO THE SINGLE FAMILY TEN DISTRICT STANDARDS. THERE WILL BE TWO DIFFERENT LOT TYPES WITHIN THIS TRACT. TYPE A LOTS WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 12,500FT■!, WITH THE MINIMUM DIMENSIONS OF 80FT IN WIDTH AND 135FT IN DEPTH, AND THEN TYPE B LOTS WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 10,000FT■!S, WIH A MINIMUM DIMENSION OF 75FT IN WIDTH AND 125FT IN DEPTH, AND THEN THE MAXIMUM LOT COUNT FOR THIS ENTIRE TRACK IS 275 LOTS. AND HOWEVER, A MINIMUM OF THESE LOTS, MINIMUM OF 100 OF THESE LOTS HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED TO THE TYPE A STANDARDS. HERE ARE THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS FOR EACH OF THESE. SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE RIGHT HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY 12.5 DISTRICT. RIGHT NEXT TO IT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE CORRESPONDING TYPE A LOTS THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE STANDARD. WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE MATCH UP EXACTLY ON THE SINGLE FAMILY TEN DISTRICT. HERE YOU CAN SEE THERE THOSE ARE THE REGULATIONS BELOW. AND THEN ON THE TYPE B LOTS THESE ARE THE REGULATIONS FOR THE TYPE B LOTS.
THE ONLY VARIATION ON THIS IS THE LOT WIDTH HERE THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH FOR A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY LOT IS 80FT. THE MINIMUM FOR THE PROPOSED TYPE B LOTS WOULD BE 75FT. AND SO I HAD IT BOLDED RIGHT THERE. PERMITTED USES I WILL USE THOSE IN YOUR STAFF WORD. SO I'M NOT GOING TO READ EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE. BUT I'LL JUST LET YOU SEE THESE. THESE WILL BE ALL THE ONES
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PERMITTED BY RIGHT. AND THIS IS JUST THAT CONTINUED. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE USES PERMITTED BY SP IN THIS TRACT. FOR OPEN SPACE AMENITIES. AND THIS TRACK, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE AT LEAST 30 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE THAT IS ALLOWED TO BE NONCONTIGUOUS. EACH OF THESE OPEN SPACE AREAS HAS TO BE AT LEAST 10,000FT■!S, WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 40FT. AMENITIES. FOR THIS TRACT, THERE WILL BE A RESIDENT AMENITY AREA. THIS HAS TO BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CEO FOR THE 138TH HOME OUT OF 275, WHICH IS ROUGHLY HALFWAY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT. ADDITIONALLY, A POCKET PARK WITH A PLAYGROUND WILL BE PROVIDED AND THEN THREE AMENITIES FROM THE LIST. IN THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THERE THOSE ARE THE THREE AMENITIES THAT THEY CAN CHOOSE FROM TO PROVIDE IN THIS TRACT. HERE IS A BREAKDOWN AND YOU'LL SEE THIS MAP AGAIN. BUT THIS IS JUST THE CONCEPT PLAN. SO THIS EASTERN TRACT IS WHAT IS BEING REFERENCED RIGHT NOW. AND YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 30 ACRES, 30 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. AND THIS AREA CAN ALSO COUNT AS OPEN SPACE NEAR THE CREEK. ON THE AGE RESTRICTED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SECTION ON THE WESTERN SIDE. THE BASE ZONING FOR THIS WILL ALL BE SINGLE FAMILY TEN. FOR ALL OF THESE LOTS THEY WILL HAVE THREE DIFFERENT LOT TYPES TYPE C LOTS THAT WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 10,000FT■!S, WITH THE DIMENSIONF 75FT IN WIDTH AND 125FT IN DEPTH. TYPE D LOTS THAT ARE MINIMUM OF 8800FT■!S, WITH THE MINIMUM DIMENSION OF 65FT IN WIDTH AT 125FT IN DEPTH, AND TYPE E LOTS THAT ARE 7500FT■!S, WITH A MINIMUM DIMENSION OF 55FT IN WIDTH AND 125FT IN DEPTH. THE MAXIMUM LOT COUNT FOR THIS TRACT WILL BE 525 LOTS, A MINIMUM OF THOSE MINIMUM OF 100 OF THESE LOTS HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED TO THE TYPE C STANDARD, AND ONLY A MAXIMUM OF 225 CAN BE DEVELOPED TO THE TYPE E STANDARD. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS IN COMPARISON TO THE SINGLE FAMILY TIN. SO THIS IS THE SINGLE FAMILY TIN. THIS IS TYPE C, TYPE D AND TYPE E. IN THIS CHART YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S DEVIATIONS REGARDING THE MINIMUM LOT AREA, MINIMUM LOT WIDTH AND THEN THE DWELLING AREA. SO THE DWELLING AREA FOR TYPE C LOTS IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED IN SF TEN. TYPE D THAT MATCHES EXACTLY. AND THEN TYPE E THE DWELLING AREA IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN THIS TRACT. THESE ARE ALL BY RIGHT IF APPROVED. THERE'S JUST THAT CONTINUED. AND THEN THESE WOULD BE THE USES PERMITTED BY SGP.FOR OPEN SPACE. IN THIS TRACT, A MINIMUM OF 20 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE HAS TO BE PROVIDED. WITHIN THIS TRACT. IT CAN BE NONCONTIGUOUS, BUT IT HAS TO MEET THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS THE PREVIOUS TRACT HAS TO BE. AT LEAST EACH AREA HAS TO BE AT LEAST 10,000FT■!S AND HAVE A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 40FT. AMENITIES. IN THIS TRACT THERE WILL BE AN AMENITY CENTER CLUBHOUSE. THIS HAS TO BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COE FOR THE 263RD HOME OUT OF 525, WHICH IS ROUGHLY HALFWAY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT. A SWIMMING POOL WITH SHADE STRUCTURE AND THEN THREE AMENITIES FROM THIS LIST RIGHT HERE, THEY CAN PICK FROM EITHER ONE OF THESE AMENITIES. SHOWN AGAIN. HERE IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT THIS IS THE SIDE BEING REFLECTED NOW THE WESTERN TRACT. AND ADDITIONALLY ON THE WESTERN TRACT AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THERE'S A STIPULATION THAT NO BLOCK CAN BE THE EXACT SAME. SO THE BLOCKS WITHIN THAT TRACT HAVE TO VARY. SO IF YOU HAVE FIVE TYPE C LOTS AND FIVE TYPE D LOTS IN ONE BLOCK, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT MIX OF LOT TYPES IN A DIFFERENT BLOCK JUST TO PROVIDE SOME DIFFERENT VARIATIONS, BLOCK TO BLOCK. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE EXHIBIT OF THAT. THESE ARE THE STANDARDS FOR BOTH OF THESE SECTIONS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO BOTH SIDES. THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, THE PERMITTED MATERIALS WOULD BE CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD, CLAY FIRED BRICK, GRANITE, MARBLE, STONE, NATURAL AND MANUFACTURED AND STUCCO. BUT THREE COAT STUCCO SORTS. THE MORE CEMENT TYPE OF STUCCO BUILDING DESIGN, THE EXTERIOR FACADE OF A MAIN BUILDING OR STRUCTURE, EXCLUDING GLAZING, SHALL BE 100% MASONRY ON THE FRONT FACADE. CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD MAY CONSTITUTE UP TO 50% OF THE AREA. FOR STORIES OTHER THAN THE FIRST STORY. ADDITIONALLY, IT CAN BE USED IN THE SAME VERTICAL PLANE AS FACADES IN THE FIRST STORY, ON THE SIDE AND REAR FACADES, CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD CAN CONSTITUTE UP TO 20% OF ALL STORIES. ANY PORTION OF A FACADE
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THAT FACES PUBLIC OR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PARKS, OR HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL SHALL BE 100% MASONRY. HOWEVER, CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD CAN COUNT AS MASONRY IN THIS STIPULATION. EXTERIOR CLADDING OF CHIMNEYS SHALL BE BRICK, NATURAL MANUFACTURED STONE OR STUCCO ON THE CRAFTSMAN AND FARM STYLE HOUSES THAT YOU WILL SEE LATER IN EXHIBIT F, CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD MAY BE CONSTITUTE UP TO 80% OF THE AREAS OTHER THAN THE FIRST STORY, AND THEN IT ALSO MAY BE USED FOR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, AS NOTED BELOW. FOR THE ROOFING, THESE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT ARE ALLOWED FOR THE ROOFING. STANDING SEAM. COPPER. STANDING SEAM. METAL. NATURAL SLATE SHINGLES. IMITATION SLATE SHINGLES. CEMENTITIOUS TILE, AND OTHER MATERIALS. AS APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE PITCH FOR ALL MAIN RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO HAVE A MINIMUM SLOPE OF SIX BY 12 FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. A MINIMUM SLOPE OF 1.25 BY 12 FOR ENTRIES AND DRIVEWAYS. ALL ENTRIES SHALL HAVE A COVERED PORCH OR PORTICO, AND THEN FOR DRIVEWAYS, ALL DRIVEWAYS SHALL BE BROOM FINISHED CONCRETE SOFT FINISH CONCRETE, STAIN PATTERNED CONCRETE OR BRICK AND STONE PAVERS. SO HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS. THIS IS THE MODERN FARMHOUSE THAT WAS REFERENCED EARLIER. AND. THEN THE CRAFTSMAN. THIS WAS ALSO REFERENCED EARLIER. JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THOSE HOMES WOULD LOOK LIKE. ANY SIGNIFICANCE FOR WHY THE OTHER HOMES ARE IN HERE, LIKE THE TRADITIONAL, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT'S TEN TIMES THE SIZE OF THE ONE YEAR. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HEAR THAT QUESTION. I'M SORRY. NO. ANY ANY REASON WHY YOU'RE POINTING TO THE MODERN FARMHOUSE. RIGHT. BUT ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHEN YOU GO FORWARD, YOU HAVE MUCH LARGER HOMES THAT YOU'RE SHOWING. IT LOOKS LIKE I THINK IT WAS ONE MORE. SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT LOT TYPES. THERE'S JUST STIPULATIONS IN THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE MODERN FARMHOUSE AND THE CRAFTSMAN, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ALLOWANCE OF ADDITIONAL CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD. THIS IS THE REASON WHY I POINTED THAT OUT FOR SCREENING AND FENCING ALONG THOROUGHFARES, A MINIMUM OF 50% ORNAMENTAL FENCING HAS TO BE ADJACENT TO PORTMAN ROAD AND FRONTIER PARKWAY FOR OPEN SPACE AREAS, DECORATIVE METAL FENCING, AND THEN AGAIN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, BOARD ON BOARD WOODEN FENCING FOR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY FOR HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS. THERE WILL BE A SIX FOOT HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL ALONG PARVIN FRONTIER PARKWAY AND DELL BRANCH, AND THESE WILL CONNECT TO THE EXISTING HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS AND WINDSONG RANCH, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE THE CONNECTIVITY OF THE TRAILS. SO THESE ARE THE EXISTING ONES IN WINDSONG. AND THEN THESE ARE THE PROPOSED TRAILS THAT WILL CONNECT THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALONG THE THOROUGHFARES. JUST WRAPPING UP FOR NOTICING THESE CASE WAS NOTICED FRIDAY, JUNE 6TH. WE DID RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE IN SUPPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THE PACKET. TOWN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS CASE FOR COMPATIBILITY FOR THE EASTERN TRACK ADJACENT TO WINDSONG RANCH, AS WELL AS COMPATIBILITY WITH FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SINCE THE ADJACENT WEST SIDE IS ALSO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. I FEEL LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH WHATEVER COMES OVER THERE. AND THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING THAT THIS IS SCHEDULED TO GO TO IS TUESDAY, JULY 22ND, AS THEY WILL NOT HAVE THEIR MEETING ON THE EIGHTH. THAT IS ALL. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS NOW. I KNOW THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK ME QUESTIONS FIRST OR LET THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH THEIR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE CARRIER RIGHT NOW? ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A COUPLE.
ONE I'LL GO WITH THE EASY ONE YOU TALKED ABOUT ON THE VERY END. THE FENCE ON PARVIN IS LIKE 50%. I FORGOT I ORDERED METAL. METAL. DO WE NOT REQUIRE ORNAMENTAL METAL ON ALL FRONTAGE? I FORGET WHAT OUR OFFICIAL THOROUGHFARES. I MEAN WE REQUIRE SOME SORT OF OPENNESS, SO IT JUST CAN'T BE A SOLID MASONRY SCREEN. IT'S GOT TO HAVE 50% OPENNESS. AND SO THIS IS JUST SAYING THAT IT'S GOING TO COMPLY WITH OUR NORMAL REGULATIONS OF HAVING OPEN ON THOROUGHFARE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. AND THEN JUST BROADLY SPEAKING, NOT THE WHOLE LIST, BUT IN BOTH OF THE TRACKS YOU TALK ABOUT PERMITTED USES, RIGHT? I'M, I MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE. AND I'LL ASK THE QUESTION. IT'S CLEARLY TWO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WITH ZERO COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL OR OTHERWISE ZONED PROPERTY IN. WHY WOULD WE BE ASKING FOR ZONING THAT ALLOWS ALL THOSE PERMITTED USES? IF THE INTENT IS TO BE BY RIGHT, IF THE INTENT IS TO BE A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, I THINK A LOT OF THESE ARE KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE WERE SOME USES THAT WE STRUCK THAT WERE KIND OF MORE
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COMMERCIAL USES. BUT WE FEEL LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND WITH RESIDENTIAL USE, AND THAT'S WHY WE FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD BE PERMITTED WITHIN BOTH TRACKS. SO A HOUSEHOLD CARE FACILITY THAT'S IN THIS OR A HOUSE OF WORSHIP. WELL, AND THAT ONE IS MORE COMMERCIAL, BUT THOSE CAN GO ANYWHERE. THE ANTENNA. BUT BUT BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY RULES THAT GOVERN IT, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WOULD GIVE IT BY RIGHT. SAME WITH GOLF COURSE OR COUNTRY CLUB AGAIN. NOT LIKELY, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WOULD ANTENNAS OR SUPPORT STRUCTURES. SO IF T-MOBILE WANTS TO PUT IN A CELL PHONE TOWER, WELL THAT'S A NONCOMMERCIAL ONE. SO IT'S JUST LIKE A NORMAL ONE THAT GOES ON A HOUSE. OKAY. OR AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS. YEAH. MY BROAD QUESTION IS WE'RE OFFERING A LOT AS PERMITTED USES BY RIGHT FOR EFFECTIVELY A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT SOME OF THOSE USES ARE COMPATIBLE, YOU'RE WITHIN YOUR RIGHT TO STRIKE SOME OF THOSE.BUT GO TO THE NEXT ONE. I THINK THE ONES YOU HAD, I. HAVE PUBLIC SCHOOL. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH.
COMMUNICATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR DR. CARTER? JUST A QUICK QUESTION. GO AHEAD. JUST ON CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD, THAT IS, PROSPER CONSIDERS THAT MASONRY. IS THAT A MASONRY PRODUCT? NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE IN THIS PD IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MASONRY, BUT IN OUR ORDINANCES IT IS NOT NECESSARILY CONSIDERED MASONRY. IT'S INTERESTING. IT'S JUST THE APPLICANT REALLY DESIRED THAT MATERIAL. AND WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO BASED ON SEEING THE ELEVATIONS IN EXHIBIT F, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO HOW THOSE FACADES LOOK. AT THE RISK OF GETTING BOGGED DOWN IN CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD. SO THE PD WOULD SAY THAT ON THE MODERN FARMHOUSE, UP TO 80% OF A STORY OTHER THAN THE FIRST FLOOR CAN BE CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD, RIGHT? YEAH. THE MODERN FARMHOUSE AND THE CRAFTSMAN.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO FOR MY OWN SANITY HERE ON THE ELEVATION THAT'S PROVIDED FOR THE MODERN FARMHOUSE, THAT ENTIRE ELEVATION IS CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD, RIGHT? I WILL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT ONE ABOUT WHAT COMPRISES THAT SPECIFIC ELEVATION. I, I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME ACTUALLY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO LET HIM ANSWER. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF? I'LL I'LL, I'LL. COMMISSIONER HAMILTON, I SAW YOU PUSHING THE BUTTON. NO I HAVE I PROBABLY HAVE A LOT FOR THE APPLICANT. I HAVE A LIST FOR THE APPLICANT. I THINK THAT'S ONE MORE. OH, GOOD. YOU ON YOUR PERCENTAGE? I WAS GOING TO WAIT, BUT SORRY, I CAN'T GO BACK TO THE SUMMARY YOU GAVE OF 100% MASONRY IN THE FACADE. OH RIGHT HERE. WHAT'S ALLOWED ON THE ON THE SIDES 20% CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD. AND THE REST WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE MASONRY. SO LIKE OUTSIDE OF. SO IT WOULD BE THE OTHER MATERIALS HERE. SO THE EVERYTHING BESIDES THE CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD WOULD COMPRISE THE REST OF IT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOOD.
OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE WOULD LIKE TO COME SPEAK. PLEASE COME UP.
STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION. OH. YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION. SO APPRECIATE YOU COMING. WE HAVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR HIM THIS WEEK. OH. I JUST DID.
OH DID HE THAT. WAS ME OPEN. OH DAKARI OPENED IT. YEAH. AND WE'RE NOT. YEAH. OH THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S AFTER. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIR AND COMMISSION MIKE BOSWELL. TOLL BROTHERS 2555 SOUTHWEST GRAPEVINE PARKWAY, FLOWER MOUND. I'M SORRY. GRAPEVINE, TEXAS, 75061. I BELIEVE WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROSPER OAKS DEVELOPMENT TO YOUR COMMUNITY. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH AND JUST DO A REAL QUICK INTRO OF WHO WE ARE. I MEAN, SOME OF YOU FOLKS MAY KNOW US FROM AROUND TOWN, BUT IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE STOOD BEFORE THIS BOARD. I WOULD THINK THE FRENCH CALL THAT THE ANCIEN REGIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT HAS BEEN MANY YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN BEFORE THIS BOARD. SO I WANT TO DO A REAL QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHO WE ARE WITH TOLL. WITH THAT SAID, IF YOU
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LOOK AT OUR LAPTOPS, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR MODEL HOMES, OUR CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS, OUR DIVISION OFFICES AROUND THE COUNTRY, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THESE VALUES ON THE WALLS EVERY DAY. AND WE LIVE ON WE ARE NOT A COMPANY THAT STARTED WITH THESE VALUES. WE ONLY DRAFTED THESE VALUES AFTER WE HAD BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR ABOUT 57 YEARS. SO THESE WERE TAKEN FROM HOW WE RUN OUR BUSINESS DAY TO DAY VERSUS HOW WE WANTED TO START OUR BUSINESS CURRENTLY OPERATE IN 24 STATES, 60 PLUS MARKETS. TEXAS IS A BIG PART OF OUR NATION NATIONAL FOOTPRINT. WITH THAT SAID, THE MOST EXPANSIVE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN WHAT WE CALL THE SMALL STATES, WHICH IS CALIFORNIA, ARIZONA, TEXAS AND FLORIDA. LOOKING AT JUST OUR BASIC OVERVIEW OF WHO WE ARE, WE'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1967. WE ARE THE FIFTH LARGEST HOME BUILDER IN THE COUNTRY BY REVENUES, CERTAINLY NOT BY COUNT. OUR HOMES ARE TYPICALLY HIGHER PRICED. WE HAVE WE FEEL, THE GREATEST DIVERSITY OF PRODUCT DIVERSIFICATION. I'LL GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES THAT YOU'LL PROBABLY LATCH ON TO HERE SHORTLY. TEN YEARS. AND WE JUST GOT THE EMAIL THE OTHER DAY THAT IT'S NOW 11 YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN LISTED AS FORTUNE 500 MOST RESPECTED COMPANIES AND ADMIRED COMPANIES. THAT PUTS US UP THERE WITH A LOT OF THE REALLY BIG FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. WE'RE THE ONLY HOME BUILDER THAT IS ON THAT LIST. WE HAVE A SOLID BALANCE SHEET, WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY GREAT EMPLOYEES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF SENIOR MANAGEMENT TENURE. OUR COMPANY WAS FOUNDED BY BRUCE AND BOB TOLLE. BRUCE LARGELY STEPPED ASIDE TO RUN HIS OWN EMPIRE. HE'S VERY DIVERSIFIED IN HIS BUSINESS HOLDINGS, BUT BOB TOLL IS THE ONE THAT TOOK THE COMPANY AND MADE IT WHAT IT IS TODAY. WE HE RECENTLY PASSED AWAY. WE'RE NOW CELEBRATING OUR GOING ON THIRD YEAR OF HIS PASSING. BUT THE MODEL AND THE ETHIC AND THE TRAINING THAT HE IMBUED IN THE OLDER GENERATION IS NOW BEING PASSED ON TO THE GEN XERS AS WELL AS THE MILLENNIALS AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD INTO THE NEW CENTURY. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE TYPICAL HOME BUYER? WELL, THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL LIST, BUT IT IS A LIST. NO, TAYLOR SWIFT DOES NOT LIVE IN A TALL HOME, BUT HER SONGWRITER, ED SHEERAN DOES. THE FIRST UNANIMOUS BALLOT. HALL OF FAMER FOR THE NEW YORK YANKEES LIVES ON A TALL HOME. KENDRICK LAMAR LIVES IN A TALL HOME, AS DOES DANIEL RADCLIFFE. ELI MANNING OWNS TWO AND BEN BERNANKE. THE LIST COULD GO ON, BUT WE ARE ALSO ONE OF THE MOST REPRESENTED HOME BUILDERS THAT ARE OWNED BY SPORTS FIGURES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. HOWEVER, WE STILL TAKE PRIDE IN OUR WORK IN THE EVERYDAY FOLKS THAT WE WORK WITH. EVERYBODY AT TALL KNOWS THE STORIES OF THE VIGILANTE FAMILY THEY'VE OVER THEIR LIFETIME, AND OUR 57 OR 58 YEARS NOW OF EXISTENCE, THEY HAVE BOUGHT SIX TOLL HOMES, AND THAT'S THE HOME BUYER THAT WE WORK TO PLEASE EVERY DAY. WE WANT THEM TO BE NOT JUST A ONE TIME HOME BUYER, BUT A MULTIPLE TIME HOME BUYER. IT IS NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TWO AND THREE AND POSSIBLY FOUR HOMES, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE BUYER EXPERIENCE. IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DIVERSITY OF PRODUCT.IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE GAMBIT THAT RUNS AND HOW WE RUN OUR BUSINESS. PART OF THAT IS PRESTIGIOUS LOCATIONS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT.
BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES OUR DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURE, UNRIVALED CHOICE, AND EXTRAORDINARY CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. THIS IS JUST A THROW UP SLIDE, IF YOU WILL, THAT HAS A RECAPITULATION OF WHAT WAS THERE. AND SO FOR AS IT SPEAKS TONIGHT, WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM DOWN. AGENDA IS GOING TO BE THE FUTURE LAND USE OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPLICATION THAT'S OUT THERE. AS WE SAW THIS PROJECT, WE SAW THAT WE HAD THE VACANT LAND. IT WAS ON THE VERY FAR NORTHWEST CORNER OF PROSPER. AS IT MOVES FURTHER WEST, YOU'RE GETTING UP AGAINST AN EVEN DENSER TYPE OF PRODUCT, AND THEN YOU JUMP ACROSS THE HIGHWAY THERE AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT MULTIFAMILY. YOU'RE ALSO BUMPED UP AGAINST THE CITY OF SALINA ON THE NORTH. AND THEN AS YOU GO EAST, YOU'RE BUMPING UP AGAINST BOTH FLOODPLAIN AND WINDSONG RANCH, WHICH HAS A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY IN THAT COMMUNITY. AS WE LOOKED AT IT, WE SAW THAT IT WAS MEDIUM DENSITY. AND SO AS WE LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, WE ALSO TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO THIS PROPERTY IS BIFURCATED WHERE THE EAST SIDE IS OSTENSIBLY IN PROSPER ISD, WHEREAS THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE ARE IN DENTON ISD. SO WE WANTED TO FIND A WAY THERE TO UNDERSTAND AND MARKET A COMMUNITY THAT HAS TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS. SO WHEN WE TALK THROUGH OUR APPLICATION TONIGHT, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST AND THE WEST. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT'S REALLY THIS YELLOW LINE THAT DISSECTS THEM. AND SO YOU HAVE ON THE EAST SIDE WHAT WE WOULD CALL A MARKET RATE OR A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION THAT IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN AN AGE ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY TO THE SOUTHWEST. YOU LAY THEM OUT
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DIFFERENTLY. YOU HAVE DIFFERENT DESIGN FEATURES THAT GO ALONG WITH THEM. YOU HAVE DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT ARE PROGRAMED WITH THEM. YOU JUST HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF. YOU EVEN HAVE TO COME UP WITH WIDER DOORS FOR THE HOMES ON THE EAST SIDE. IT'S MORE OF A MARKET SITUATION WHERE YOU WANT TO AGGREGATE YOUR PRODUCT TOGETHER. AND SO IN A REAL SENSE, THE PLAN THERE IS TO FOLLOW THE EXISTING ORDINANCES AS WRITTEN, EVEN DOWN TO THE ARTICULATIONS OF THE HOME.AGAIN, THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE'VE REQUESTED THE FLIP ON. IT IS JUST THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THE REAL SIMPLE REASON THAT WE CHOSE THIS IS THE TWO ITEMS THERE SENIOR HOUSING.
IT WAS IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE ONE THAT WAS MOST SUITED TO THAT TYPE OF HOUSING.
AND SO THAT IS THE ONLY PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE LAND USE ON. AND IT IS LARGELY BECAUSE THE THREE DOTS AND THE APPROPRIATE PRIMARY USES THAT ARE ALLOWED PER YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE GOING TO COUCH THIS NOW. WEST WILL BE THE ACTIVE ADULT OR WHAT WE CALL OUR REGENCY LINE, WHICH WE BUILD ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. IT'S A WE HAVE A WHOLE GROUP WITHIN OUR COMPANY THAT RUNS THIS OPERATION. SO ANY PLAN THAT I SUBMIT TO YOU ALSO HAS TO BE SUBMITTED TO OUR ACTIVE ADULT GROUP THAT IS HOUSED IN PENNSYLVANIA. AND BASICALLY THEY RUN A PARALLEL REVIEW OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT. AGAIN, EVERYTHING IS DONE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH ACTIVE ADULT ON THE EAST SIDE. IT RUNS A MORE TRADITIONAL COURSE WITH THE ENGINEERING AND JUST FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCES FORWARD. REACHING TO THIS, YOU'LL FIRST NOTICE THAT A LOT OF THE HOMES ARE PACKED AS TWO PACKS. THE PURPOSE THERE IS EFFECTIVELY YOUR TOWN HAS A YES, IT DOES HAVE A ARTICULATING FRONT AND REAR YARD SETBACK. YOU TYPICALLY DO IT IN PACKS OF TWOS OR THREES, DEPENDING ON HOW THE SUBDIVISION IS LAID OUT. WE WANTED TO HONOR THAT, BUT IT ALSO SEGWAYED VERY NICELY INTO HOW YOU DO A LAYOUT FOR A COMMUNITY THAT IS AGE TARGETED OR AGE ACTIVE ADULT. THE IDEA THERE IS, IS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A DIVERSITY OF PLACES TO PUT THE HOME, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE SHOPPING FOR HOME WITH A DIFFERENT, VERY MINDSET. THEY'RE GOING TO PICK THE HOME THAT THEY WANT WITH THE AMENITIES THAT THEY WANT, WITH THE LOCATION THAT THEY WANT. THEN THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WHERE CAN I BUILD IT? SO HERE THEY AREN'T AS MIXED UP IN THE HEY, I'M LIVING NEXT TO A 50 OR 70 OR OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. THEY TYPICALLY ARE MORE INTERESTED IN WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, HOW THEIR LOT IS ORIENTED, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEY'RE MORE INTERESTED IN THE HOME ITSELF. SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS VERY OFTEN THEY WANT SMALLER SETBACKS. THEY WANT DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE SHORTER. THEY WANT DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE FLATTER, THEY WANT FRONT DOORS THAT ARE WIDER.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. THEY ALSO WANT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE WALKABLE. SO WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE SEE ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITIES, WE SEE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOWNSIZING. SO THEY START WITH LARGER HOMES. AND THEN AS THEY AGE, THEY START SEEKING SMALLER HOMES. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU'LL SEE A 55 ON HERE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE MOVING TOWARDS TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE. THEY ALSO VERY OFTEN HAVE MULTIPLE HOMES. THEY WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO LEAVE THE HOME IN A SAFE LOCATION. THEY HAVE THEY HAVE A DESIRE TO BE CLOSER TO THEIR FAMILY WHERE THEY CAN TRAVEL. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. THEY WANT A COMMUNITY THAT'S QUIETER. THEY DON'T WANT YOUNG KIDS DRIVING THROUGH THEIR COMMUNITY WITH LOUD EXHAUST PIPES. THEY STILL WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO WALKABILITY AND THE ABILITY TO DRIVE TO THEIR COMMUNITIES. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS BECOME LESS OF AN ISSUE HERE. THEY ALSO STILL WANT TO BE CLOSE TO A LOT OF THE RECREATION THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT. THE REASON THAT WE THINK THIS COMMUNITY IS PARTICULARLY WELL SUITED FOR THIS LOCATION IS BECAUSE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN PROSPER TODAY ARE IN THE 55 AND OLDER. I HAVE A BIRTHDAY NEXT WEEK AND I'M GETTING CLOSE, BUT I'M NOT QUITE THERE YET. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE KNOW THAT WITHIN THE NEXT TEN YEARS AND 20 YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE PEOPLE STARTING TO HIT THAT BENCHMARK. SO WE WANT TO HAVE THE PRODUCT AVAILABLE OVER THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME SO THAT WE CAN CAPTURE THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE PROJECTING FOR THIS LOCAL AREA. WE PROJECT IT'LL BE ABOUT A 60% INCREASE OVER THE NEXT TWO DECADES IN THIS LOCATION. THAT'S AGAIN, JUST COMMUNITIES DEVELOPING AND AGING. FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU LIVE IN FLOWER MOUND, YOU'RE VERY WELL AWARE OF THE RECENT STORIES THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH THE LEWISVILLE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY ARE CLOSING ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. WHY? BECAUSE THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE MATURING. IT'S JUST PART OF THE LIFE CYCLE OF MUNICIPALITIES. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE REGENCY, ONE OF THE BIG PARTS IS THE LOCATION. AGAIN, THEY STILL WANT TO BE GOOD IN A GOOD LOCATION. THEN THEY HAVE THE PARTICULARS OF THE AMENITIES AND THE HOME THAT
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THEY'RE GOING TO PURCHASE. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE THESE THAT WE HAVE BUILT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE LOOK AT HOW MANY HOMES WILL BE IN THAT COMMUNITY, AND THEN WE START SIZING THE MAIN AMENITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE. IT'S TYPICALLY AROUND 15 SQUARE FOOT PER HOME. IT COULD BE A LITTLE LESS, IT COULD BE A LITTLE MORE, BUT IT'S GENERALLY IN THAT RANGE. AND FOR. AND FOR A HOME, THAT'S FOR THE GROUP OF HOMES HERE AND FOR THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT WE HAD HERE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THESE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. IS THIS GOING TO BE THE AMENITY? NO, BUT IT IS A VERY GOOD INDICATION OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT CURRENTLY AND PUTTING IN THIS LOCATION.AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CONDITION SPACE APPROACHING ABOUT 7000FT■!S. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CLUBHOUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY EVEN LARGER. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LARGE POOL AGAIN, NO KIDDY AREAS, NO KIDDY AREAS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT NOT THE AMENITY. BUT YOU WILL SEE MORE EQUIPMENT THERE TO HELP GET OLDER PEOPLE INTO A POOL IF THEY ARE DISABLED. AND THEN WE HAVE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND JUST DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT WE ADD AROUND THE SITE. THIS IS ONE OF THE AMENITY CENTERS THAT WE BUILT IN FLORIDA. IF MEMORY SERVES, THIS IS JUST KIND OF LAYING OUT AND SHOWING WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM A TOP DOWN VIEW. YOU GOT YOUR TENNIS COURTS, YOU'VE GOT YOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS. DON'T ASK DOUG HURLEY WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT THOSE. HE WENT TO PLAY TENNIS AT CLEMSON. I THINK WITH THAT SAID, I THINK HIS SON GOES TO CLEMSON.
HE PLAYED TENNIS IN COLLEGE. SO BUT ANYWAY, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF OUTDOOR SEATING AND CONGREGATING AREAS FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THIS WOULD BE THE OUTSIDE FACADE OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE MASONRY AND THE CEMENTITIOUS DISCUSSION, WHICH I FULLY ANTICIPATE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT MORE ABOUT TONIGHT. THIS THIS WILL CHANGE OVER TIME, BUT LARGELY BE REFINED, THE INSIDE FINISHING ON THESE, WE TYPICALLY RUN THEM AGAIN. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT YOUNG CHILDREN ARE GOING TO BE INTERACTING WITH AT ALL. BUT THESE IDEAS ARE TO CREATE SPACES FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND CATER IN LUNCHES, TO HAVE MEETINGS, TO HAVE GATHERING AREAS, WORKOUT ROOMS, GOLF SIMULATORS AND SUCH. AS I SAID EARLIER, THE TOWN HAS A. THE CITY OF PROSPER HAS A TYPICAL ARTICULATING SETBACK. WE WANTED TO HONOR THAT AND WE THOUGHT IT WORKED VERY NICELY WITH THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE TRY TO DO THESE IN TWO PACKS. AGAIN, WHY DO WE DO THAT? IT'S VERY SIMPLE ALGEBRA RISE OVER RUN AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THOSE DRIVEWAYS ARE AS FLAT AS THEY CAN BE, AND THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN BETWEEN THE HOMES THAT CREATE PROBLEMS FOR FUTURE MAINTENANCE. WE'D RATHER KEEP THOSE SIDEWALKS FREE AND CLEAR OF THOSE. WE'D RATHER KEEP THE SIDE YARDS. WE'D RATHER PUT THE RETAINING WALLS IN THE BACKYARD WHERE IT'S NOT ENCUMBERING THEIR PARTICULAR LOT. AGAIN, IT LENDS ITSELF TOWARDS THIS IDEA WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP YOUR DRIVEWAY SLOPED FROM 5 TO 8%, AS OPPOSED TO 10 TO 12. MOVING OVER TO THE MARKET RATE SIDE. AGAIN, IT'S THE PART HERE ON THE EAST. I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WITH THIS SLIDE BEFORE I GET INTO IT. PARVIN ROAD AND FRONTIER ROAD WILL ULTIMATELY BE A REALIGN. SO WE'VE ACCOMMODATED THAT IN THE OVERALL LAND PLAN.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOES CREATE KIND OF A WIDOW ORPHAN SITUATION WITH A SMALL TRACT TO THE NORTH.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. ON ONE HAND, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HONORING THE MASTER PLAN WITH WHERE THE ROAD IS INTENDED TO BE. IT'S GOT TO HAVE CERTAIN CIRCUMFERENCES AND REVERSE CURVES. IT'S GOT TO BE DESIGNED BY THE ENGINEERING STAFF. AND WITH THAT SAID, WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO START BUILDING HOMES ON WHERE THE OLD ROAD BED USED TO BE. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS, FOR THE TIME BEING HELD, I'M GOING TO TRY TO I'LL LET ME HAVE A POINTER. WE'VE KEPT THE GEOMETRY OF THIS EXISTING PARVIN COMING THROUGH HERE AND NOT BUILT HOMES ON IT. THAT'S SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE CALL DIFFERENTIAL HEAVE UNDER THE FOUNDATION. AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE OVERALL PLAN FOR THIS BECAUSE IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE IT PART AND FEEL PART OF THAT COMMUNITY. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THOUGH, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM THAT WE CREATED. WE'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. THE CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF HAVE KIND OF RUN THE GAMUT, ONE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOT ITS OWN AMENITY, WHICH WE'VE GOT, THAT WE'VE GOT THE DROP DOWN MENU WITH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO. WE'VE ADDED A LOT OF GREEN SPACE BUFFERS AROUND IT BECAUSE IT'S SURROUNDED BY SALINA. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LAND SWAP, WHERE THIS GOES TO BECOME PART OF A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY ALTOGETHER. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS WILL PROBABLY BE THE LAST POD DEVELOPED, CERTAINLY BECAUSE IT ALSO LENDS ITSELF TO BEING DIRECTLY IMPACTED FOR THE DRAINAGE AS WELL AS THE ROAD IMPACT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF OR REDEVELOPMENT, I SHOULD SAY, OF PARVIN ROAD. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO MEAN THAT THAT PARTICULAR SEGMENT IS GOING TO BE THE ONE OF THE LAST ONES DEVELOPED. WITH THAT SAID. THE AMENITY CENTER ON THE EAST SIDE IS A MORE MUTED AFFAIR. WE TYPICALLY RUN THESE THAT ARE PART OF LIKE A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. PEOPLE
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LIVE IN THEIR BACKYARDS. A LOT OF FOLKS BUILD THEIR OWN BACKYARD POOLS THESE DAYS, BUT WE STILL LIKE TO HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER. THE I GUESS THE INSPIRATION THAT WE HAD FOR THIS ONE WAS TRYING TO CREATE AN AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE WE HAD A TOT LOT, BUT ALSO CREATING AN AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE ON WEEKENDS PEOPLE COULD COME PUT UP A STAGE AND PLAY MUSIC AND BRING PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. WE DO THAT WHERE I LIVE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A WHOLE PROGRAM. IT'S IN THE NEWS. IT'S ALL THIS GREAT STUFF AND IT'S KIND OF A CONGREGATING AREA, BUT IT'S ALSO A PERFORMANCE ART AREA AS WELL. HERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE CABANA, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, OOPS. IN THIS INSTANCE, IT'S MORE GEARED TOWARDS AN OPEN AIR BECAUSE WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT OPEN AT A DIFFERENT PACE DURING THE YEAR. THE AGE TARGET OR THE AGE QUALIFIED OR THE AGE ACTIVE ADULT WILL BE LARGELY OPEN ALL YEAR, SO IT'LL BE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH IT, WHEREAS THIS ONE WOULD BE CLOSED DURING THE WINTER AND WINTERIZED. WITH THAT SAID, THIS IS A THIS IS JUST ONE AMENITY THAT WE'RE OFFERING IN HERE. THIS IS AN EARLY RENDERING OF IT. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON HOW TO SITE IT AND BASICALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE FINISHES ARE WHAT WE WANT THEM TO BE. BUT THIS IS JUST THE FIRST ROUGH BLUSH TO GET IT SOME GUIDANCE ON IT. WE ALSO PLAN AND I'LL HOVER HERE. SO THIS IS THE CITY OF SALINA. AND THEY HAVE A DRIVEWAY DIRECTLY ACROSS. SO WHERE WE HAD ORIGINALLY HAD THIS ENTRANCE WAS SLIGHTLY TO THE EAST. WE WENT AHEAD AND LINED IT UP HERE AND RECAPTURED THAT TO TRY TO MONETIZE THIS POND AND LAKE AREA. WE'VE DRAWN A PIER HERE. IT'S UP IN THE AIR WHETHER IT'LL BE A STRAIGHT OR A T, BUT WE STARTED LOOKING AT HOW WE WOULD PUT A PIER ON THAT PARTICULAR POND. THIS IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO. YOU DON'T JUST PUT THESE OUT THERE. THEY'VE GOT TO BE DESIGNED BY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.YOU GOT TO PUT PIERS IN THEM. AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN SOMEONE'S ON A WHEELCHAIR, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN THEY GO THERE THAT YOU'VE GOT RAILS ON THE EDGE OF IT SO THAT THEY DON'T ROLL OFF INTO THE LAKE OR THE FEATURE. YOU ALSO HAVE TO ADD HANDRAILS THAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO ADD IN HAND HANDRAILS FOR EDGE PROTECTION AS WELL. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT THE ONLY AMENITIES WE'RE PROPOSING.
AGAIN, IT'S PART OF THE DROP DOWN MENU THAT'S IN THAT. AND WE LIKE TO BE ABLE TO REACT TO THE MARKET AGAIN. WE MET WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. INITIALLY THEY WANTED A PARK AREA. WE REMINDED THEM THAT TO THE SOUTH OF THIS, THERE'S A 77 ACRE PIECE OF LAND THAT THE TOWN OWNS, AND THEY ARE WORKING OVERTIME TO GET PROJECTS TOGETHER SO THAT THEY CAN CAPITALIZE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT FACILITY. WHERE WE LANDED WAS WE'RE AS FAR NORTH AND AS FAR WEST AS YOU CAN GET, AND STILL BE A RESIDENTIAL USER FOR A PARK. SO THEY, I THINK, WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE FEES TO HELP FUND THE PARK TO THE SOUTH. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED. BUT WITH THAT SAID, THEY ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH THIS TRAIL SYSTEM, WE WERE MAKING CONNECTIONS. NOW THIS IS IMPORTANT ON THE ACTIVE ADULT. WE ARE PLANNING TO MAKE THAT A GATED COMMUNITY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT COMES WITH THAT. PART OF THAT IS IT JUST PEDESTRIAN GATED OR IS IT VEHICULAR OR BOTH? WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH HOW WE PROGRAM IT.
AGAIN, A LOT OF THE ACTIVE ADULT PEOPLE ARE LOCK AND LEAVE FOLKS. THEY ARE EITHER WORKING AND LEAVING OR THEY'RE LEAVING PART OF THE YEAR, OR THEY'RE LEAVING AND GOING ON LONG TRIPS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE VERY COMFORTABLE LEAVING THEIR HOMES WITH THE LOCK AND LEAVE MENTALITY. THAT CREATES A PROBLEM WHEN YOU START DOING EXTENSIVE TRAIL LAYOUTS. SO YOU HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THAT. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED ARE HOW WE'RE GOING TO RAISE CERTAIN ROADS SO THAT WE CAN PUT CULVERTS UNDERNEATH THEM TO GET PEOPLE FROM POINT A TO POINT B, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S A DESIRE TO COMMUNICATE OR CONNECT THE EXISTING WINDSONG TRAILS TO THIS TRAIL SYSTEM. SO WE'VE DONE IT IN TWO PLACES UP HERE ALONG FRONTIER AND THEN MIDDLE BLOCK, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT HERE. THIS IS LARGELY GOING TO BE DETERMINED THROUGH ENGINEERING, WORKING WITH THE FEMA REVIEWERS AND COMING UP WITH HOW WE DO THAT AND NOT IMPACT UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM OWNERS. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE TRAIL SYSTEMS ALL CONNECT. AND AGAIN, THEY WILL ALSO HAVE TO BE WORKING THROUGH THESE GATED SYSTEMS ON THE WEST SIDE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITIES TO THE WEST HAVE WALKABILITY TO THIS FUTURE COMMERCIAL AND WHAT WE HAVE ON THE EAST SIDE. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURE. I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME PICTURES. IT'S REALLY MORE TO HELP YOU DIGEST TERMINOLOGY OR TOLL ISMS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM. I THINK ALL OF US OVER THERE DRINK THE KOOL-AID, BUT WHATEVER. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS, WE'RE REALLY WORKING TO TRY AND USE A LANGUAGE THAT WE
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COMMUNICATE INTERNALLY WITH, BUT SOMETIMES IT GETS LOST. SO, FOR INSTANCE, IF I SAY THE REGENCY, THAT MEANS NOTHING TO MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. AT THE SAME TIME, IF I SAY REGENCY TO A TOLL EMPLOYEE, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IT'S ACTIVE ADULT. DUH.SO HERE THE SAME THING. WE WANT TO TALK THROUGH ARCHITECTURE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A CLASSIC HOME, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT'S OSTENSIBLY BRICK. IT LOOKS VERY 1990S. IT SOMETIMES HAS WOOD AND ARCHITECTURAL ACCENTS ADDED TO IT. VERY OFTEN IT'S KIND OF FALLEN OUT OF VOGUE BECAUSE CHIP AND JOANNA GAINES HAVE INTRODUCED A LOT OF DIFFERENT PRODUCTS OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, AND IT'S JUST CHANGED IT. ALSO, THE PEOPLE MOVING HERE TODAY ARE BRINGING THEIR VIEWS OF STYLE AND ARCHITECTURE WITH THEM, AND THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE IDEA THAT ARCHITECTURE CHANGES OVER TIME. STYLE DOES NOT. SO WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INTRODUCE STYLES SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH STAFF AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMITS, AND THAT THEY CAN FOLLOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO THINK AND DO. THIS IS A CHATEAU.
AS YOU CAN GUESS, IT CARRIES MORE OF A STUCCO FINISH. IT ALSO HAS A MORE FRENCH LOOK IN TERMS OF ITS ACCENTS. YOU CAN SEE THE LIFESTYLE WINDOWS. THE OLD SLATTED WINDOWS ARE KIND OF OUT.
THEY WANT THE LARGER ONES. NOWADAYS, THE CRAFTSMAN HOME HAS MADE A COMEBACK. AND THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE WE'VE ADDED THE MASONRY BAND AT THE BOTTOM. AND SO THIS WOULD BE ONE THAT WE HAVE SEEN OF DESIRED TO BRING BACK. THEY'RE WORKING ON BRINGING IT BACK. IT'S VERY POPULAR THESE DAYS. BUT IF IT'S IF IT'S GOING TO BE A CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME, WELL IT CAN'T BE BRICK. OTHERWISE IT'S A CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME. THIS IS A HILL COUNTRY. AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A STUCCO AND STONE FINISH. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE INTRODUCTION OF WOOD ELEMENTS AS WELL AS REGULAR COMPOSITE, BUT ALSO THE STANDING SEAM ROOFS. HERE YOU'LL HAVE THE TERRACOTTA.
THIS IS MORE OF A MEDITERRANEAN LOOK. IT'LL BE LARGELY JUST STUCCO AND CLAY TILE ROOFS. THIS IS A MODERN FARMHOUSE. I'M NOT A BIG FAN PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE A BRICK LEDGE ALONG THE BOTTOM, AND I THINK THAT'S LARGELY WHERE WE'VE LANDED. IT JUST HASN'T BEEN INTRODUCED INTO THIS PICTURE YET. EVEN DOUG YEARLEY HAS TOLD PEOPLE, WOW, THAT'S A LOT OF CEMENTITIOUS MATERIAL. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE BUILT THIS HOME IN LOCATIONS. IT IS POPULAR IN SOME LOCATIONS, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AS POPULAR IN DALLAS, IT IS IN OTHER PLACES. THIS IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL LOOK THAT HAS A MIX OF STONE AS WELL AS BRICK. YOU PROBABLY SEEN THIS IN. THIS IS MORE OF OUR OLDER ARCHITECTURE. WE HAVE A TRANSITIONAL. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S STUCCO AND STONE ON THIS ONE, BUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF WINDOWS. THE TUDOR AGAIN, MORE OF A REFINED LOOK. AND WITH THAT SAID, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE CEMENTITIOUS MATERIAL. SO FROM OUR STANDPOINT ON THE REAR AND BACK OF THE HOMES, THAT'S GOING TO BE EITHER STUCCO, STONE OR BRICK MASONRY WHERE WE NEED THE CEMENTITIOUS IS ON THE EAVES AND SOFFITS. AND THEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WHEREVER WE HAVE A GABLE THAT WOULD ALSO BE CEMENTITIOUS, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY PLACE WE WOULD USE IT ON THE FRONT OF THE HOMES. THAT'S LARGELY JUST AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIRE TO INTRODUCE THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE POPULAR TO THE IN THE MARKETS TODAY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME IS NOT NEW. IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 100 YEARS. AS THE SAME THING GOES WITH HARDY. HARDY, AS IT'S PROPERLY MADE, IS OUT OF ENGLAND. IT'S MADE BY JAMES HARDY COMPANY. THEY'VE BEEN DOWN. THEY'VE BEEN AROUND 139 YEARS. THEY ALSO DO A LOT OF WORK ON MASONRY ROOFS. THEY MAKE A PRODUCT FOR THAT THERE. IF YOU GO TO ENGLAND AND NEVER DRIVE THAT, WHAT YOU SEE IS 200 YEAR OLD ARCHITECTURE THAT LOOKS A LOT LIKE WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS TO THE HOMES ON THE INSIDE, BUT ON THE OUTSIDE THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THOSE MATERIALS. AND THOSE A LOT OF THOSE MATERIALS WERE MADE BY JAMES HARDY AND HAVE LASTED THE TEST OF TIME. SO A LOT OF THE SHAKE ROOFS AND STUFF LIKE THAT HIS COMPANY HAS MADE OVER THE YEARS. SO WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE PRODUCT. IT'S A LITTLE MORE POPULAR HERE BECAUSE, WELL, IT'S FAIRLY NEW HERE. WELL, SO IS MOST OF THE HOMES BUILT IN THE LAST 50 YEARS HERE. IT WASN'T UNTIL 1948 AND THE ADVENT OF COMMERCIAL HVAC THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY STARTED MOVING TO TEXAS BECAUSE IT'S HOT. SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. I'VE ALSO GOT PEOPLE HERE ON MY TEAM THAT CAN ANSWER CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. BUT WITH THAT SAID, THAT'S THE WRAP UP MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
VERY NICE. VERY WELL DONE. AT THIS TIME I WILL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS TO THE DEVELOPER. I GUESS WE CAN START WITH WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? I'LL GO AHEAD. WHY NOT? I
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HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS, SO THEY MIGHT NOT BE IN ANY CONSISTENT ORDER ON THE WEST SIDE, WHERE THE 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITY IS. MAYBE YOU COULD PULL UP THE LIKE THE LAYOUT OF THE WHOLE PROJECT WITH THE HOUSES AND THE AMENITY CENTER AND ALL THAT, I THINK.YES. SO THE AMENITY CENTER IS LIKE ON THE FAR LIKE NORTH OF THAT PROJECT, BUT YET THERE'S SEVERAL KIND OF COMMUNITIES AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES SOUTH OF THERE. IS THERE A REASON THAT LOCATION WAS CHOSEN FOR THAT AMENITY CENTER? THERE'S SEVERAL ONE. PEOPLE SEE IT WHEN THEY COME INTO THE COMMUNITY. IT'S A MARKETING FEATURE. WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OVER TIME IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE BAD BOYS UP. DAY ONE. WHEN YOU OPEN YOUR MODEL HOME, IT'S HOW YOU MAXIMIZE MARKET VALUE. AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED THAT IN IN THE FIRST PHASE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S IN THE FIRST PHASE. SECONDLY, YOU KNOW IN PLANNING THEORY THERE'S THIS CONCEPT OF GRAVITATION, RIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD YOU NEED TO GO TO A STORE AND YOU COME TO A T IN THE ROAD, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO GO, ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO THE ONE WHERE THERE'S 4000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL, OR ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO THE ONE TO THE RIGHT, WHERE THERE'S 20,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL? MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, YOU'RE GOING TO GO WHERE THERE'S MASS. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS ONE AMENITY CENTER IS BUILD A LOT OF MASS IN ONE LOCATION THAT REALLY DRAWS PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY. THIS IS A ACTIVE ADULT, AGE TARGETED, AGE QUALIFIED COMMUNITY. THE IDEA IS THAT THESE FOLKS ARE STILL MOBILE. SO WE KNOW THAT WE WANT TO DRAW THEM TO A LOCATION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT A LOT OF TRAILS AND WHATNOT. I WILL ALSO SAY THAT IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO ADD AMENITY CENTERS IN FUTURE, SUBSEQUENT PHASES AS WE BUILD OUT, LARGELY TO KEEP IT FRESH AND RELEVANT, BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW THINGS THAT COME ALONG LIKE PICKLEBALL. PICKLEBALL WAS A THING TEN YEARS AGO. PICKLEBALL IS NOT SO MUCH OF A THING ANYMORE. I MEAN, AS I SAID EARLIER, DOUG YEARLEY CALLS IT THE BASTARD CHILD OF TENNIS. THAT'S BECAUSE HE PLAYED TENNIS IN COLLEGE. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE IN AND OUT TRENDS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF. THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT A LOT OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE WOULD ADD WOULD BE LIKE A STATION SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GO AND DO YOGA, BUT YOU DON'T NEED A BUILDING FOR THAT. THERE'S ALSO DIFFERENT TYPES OF OLDER PEOPLE, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES LIKE BIKE SERVICE STATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE WILL PROGRAM HERE. THESE WILL NOT THERE WILL NOT BE TOT LOTS HERE. SO WE HAVE TO BUILD THOSE IN. THE MAIN POINT HERE IS THE AMENITY CENTER IS WHERE IT IS. SO IT HAS MASS. IT'S PART OF THE MARKETING. IT IS ALSO IN PHASE ONE SO THAT WE CAN GET IT STARTED DAY ONE, BUT IT'S ALSO JUST THE LEAD FEATURE OF A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS THAT WE PUT INTO THAT COMMUNITY. AND IS THERE A CONNECTIVITY WAY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE FURTHER SOUTH TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OUTSIDE OF USING A CAR, OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE CAR? THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE, SIDEWALKS, BUT NOT LIKE A THERE'S NOT LIKE A GOLF CART TRAIL OR, YOU KNOW, A DEDICATED PATH, SIDEWALK PATH.
THAT'S NOT JUST YOUR TYPICAL SIDEWALK. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A NO HIKE HIKING BIKE WE HAVE IN GOLF COURSE COMMUNITIES. WE HAVE HAD THOSE. WE ACTUALLY BUILD AN OPTION WHERE YOU CAN PUT YOUR THERE'S A GOLF GARAGE, GOLF CART, GARAGE. WE'RE NOT PLANNING THAT HERE. LIKE I SAID, WILL THERE BE OTHER AMENITY CENTERS NOT OF THIS SIZE AND SCALE? WILL THERE BE OTHER AMENITIES? 100%.
SO IT'S JUST HOW WE'VE LAID IT OUT FOR NOW. AS YOU'RE TALKING, SOMETHING YOU SAID IS SOMETHING I AGREE WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THIS PROJECT WOULD BE ANOTHER SMALLER AMENITY CENTER TO THE SOUTH, SO THAT THE PEOPLE IN THAT SOUTHERN SOUTHERN PORTION AND MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, A DEDICATED GREEN SPACE WITH 3 OR 4 OF THE ITEMS THAT THE STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED ARE OUTLINED THAT YOU CAN PUT IN AS PART OF AMENITY OR OPEN SPACE. I DEFINITELY FEEL THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING VERSUS WHAT YOU HAVE LAID OUT RIGHT HERE AND THEN. SO TOLL BROTHER, WHERE WHERE WOULD I BE ABLE TO FIND A REGENCY? IS THERE A REGENCY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA? THERE ISN'T. SO I OVERSEE LAND DEVELOPMENT IN DALLAS, AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO. SO I'VE GOT ONE IN NORTH AUSTIN CALLED SANTA RITA RANCH. THAT'S THE CLOSEST ONE. THE OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE IS IN BURNEY. NOW, THAT ONE'S VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S MULTI STORY, BECAUSE THE TOPOGRAPHIC RELIEF THERE IS NUTS. BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT I'VE BEEN MOST INVOLVED WITH THAT ARE IN MY AREA. I RECOGNIZE
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THIS IS THIS IS OUR FLAGSHIP COMING OUT OF THE GROUND FOR THE REGENCY AND DFW. SO AS OUR REGENCY GROUP I TOLD HIM THE OTHER DAY, GUYS, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO REALLY SCREW THIS UP, AND THAT'S TO NOT DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, BECAUSE YOU'LL NEVER GET INVITED TO DO IT AGAIN. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION AND TO TRYING TO GET OUR HOW ARE WE GOING TO SIZE AND SCALE THIS? BUT TO YOUR QUESTION, NO, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT I HAVE IN MY AREAS.THERE ARE A COUPLE IN HOUSTON, I BELIEVE, SO IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE DEVELOPED BY TOLL BROTHERS. NOT SOLD OFF TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER. TO FINISH THAT PART OUT. WE'RE PURCHASING IT THROUGH A LAND BANK. BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE WE ARE DEVELOPING AND BUILDING IT OURSELVES. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE EASTERN TRACK. SO THE HOUSES THAT YOU SHOWED AS SAMPLES IS THAT TYPICAL? IS THAT LIKE A WHAT'S IN WANDERING CREEK OR IS THAT IN IT LOOKED SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WANDERING CREEK. IS THAT THE SAME FLOOR PLANS THAT WOULD BE IN THAT A LOT? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH, THAT'D BE YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE STARTING POINT. YES. OKAY. BECAUSE THOSE HOUSES ARE A LOT BIGGER IN WANDERING CREEK. I THINK THEY START LIKE 3500 AND GO TO ALMOST 5 OR 6000FT■!S OR SO IN THE WRIE UP. IT HAD A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 1800 SQUARE FEET FOR THAT SECTION. WOULD THERE BE OPPOSITION TO CHANGING THAT TO REFLECT THE PRODUCT THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT, WHICH IS A LARGER LOT SIZE? CORRECT. WE WENT WITH WHAT WAS IN THE BASE CODE, WHICH ON THE USES, I THINK THAT WAS MORE OF US GOING THROUGH AND TAKING THAT PARAGRAPH AND STRIKING USES THAN IT WAS ADDING FOR THE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE ORDINANCE. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE SMALLEST THING WE WOULD OFFER, I MEAN, TAKE A HOUSE, TAKE OFF ALL THE OPTIONS AND FEATURES IS LIKE 3000FT■!S.O I DON'T AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING. CHANGE IS BAD WHEN YOU'RE GOING FOR A CODE ORDINANCE. WE TRY TO WE TRY TO STRIKE IT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE.
OKAY. SO 3000FT■!S IS THE MINIMM OKAY. AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FRONTIER PARKWAY WHERE YOU SAID THOSE HOUSES ARE ISOLATED. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. ARE YOU I COULDN'T TELL I MEAN, I SEE THE LITTLE GREEN POCKET AREA IN THE MIDDLE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A WIDE STRIP OF GREEN TO THE RIGHT, LIKE JUST NORTH OF FRONTIER. ARE YOU PLANNING ON IN THAT POCKET PARK AREA, LIKE PUTTING IN PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OR WHAT DO YOU WHAT IS PLANNED FOR THAT AREA TO GIVE IT ITS OWN DEFINITION? I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE THE LAST PART DEVELOPED, BUT AND I SO THERE'S A LOT OF DRAINAGE ABSTRACTIONS THAT WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH THAT COME THROUGH THERE. SUTTON, SUTTON FARMS, SUTTON FIELD, TO THE NORTH OF THERE, THERE'S DRAINAGE THAT COMES FROM THAT AND COMES SOUTH. WE'RE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. AT THE SAME TIME, WE GOT TO GET PARVIN AND FRONTIER IN THERE. IT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT THING MAY DISAPPEAR ALTOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW. BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE HAVE WORKED TO CREATE GOOD BUFFERS AROUND IT SO THAT ITS OWN SPECIAL PLACE, AND WE DID INCLUDE AN HOA LOT THERE. AS FAR AS WHAT GETS PROGRAMED THERE, I DON'T KNOW. WE DO POCKET PARKS ALL THE TIME. WE JUST FINISHED ONE PENNY PARK IN FLOWER MOUND FOR 51 LOTS AND IT'S A FULL ON. I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO GO LOOK AT IT. IT IS MARVELOUS, BUT IT IT IS IDEALLY SET UP SO THAT WE COULD ADD A POCKET PARK TO IT. IT'S THAT RIGHT SIZE. OKAY.
AND THEN YOU WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS, BETWEEN YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND WINDSONG RANCH TO THE EAST, AND HAVING ONE CONNECTION THAT'S OVER BY FRONTIER PARKWAY AND ONE SOMEWHAT IN THE MIDDLE. OH, THERE WE GO. YEAH. IS. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHERE I HAD THAT SLIDE. I WAS JUST. THERE WE GO. IS THERE A PLACE THAT YOU COULD PUT ANOTHER CONNECTIVITY MAYBE JUST SO THAT I MEAN, YOU HAVE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, THE ONE THAT'S ALL THE WAY UP AT THE TOP AT FRONTIER IS NOT AS USABLE, I THINK, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COLLECTION OF WHERE ALL THE HOUSES ARE, RIGHT, IT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS, WINDSONG RANCH AND YOUR. SO YOU HAVE THE SOUTH. YEAH. THE SOUTH. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT FOR THE SAKE OF DOING THE LAYOUTS HERE. WE HAVE THIS ONE IN WE ALSO HAVE THIS ONE AS WELL AS THIS ONE HERE. AND THE IDEA IS TO CREATE A LARGE MOBILITY LOOP. SO WHAT HAPPENS ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE IT KIND
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OF GOES OFF THE MAP HERE. IS THERE ANY CONNECTIVITY ON THE SOUTH SIDE. YEAH. SO THERE IS A CITY PARK IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THIS. SO THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE EFFORTS WE'VE BEEN I MENTIONED WITH THE PARK STAFF, HEY, IF WE NEED TO CREATE A ACCESS POINT OFF OF THIS PIECE HERE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN YET, SO THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE WITH US.AT THE SAME TIME, EVERYTHING WAS DIRECTED AT GETTING THAT CONNECTION DOWN TO THAT POINT FOR THAT PARK. AND THAT. OKAY, SO THE REST OF THAT SOUTH SIDE IS A TOWN PARK THEN? YES, SIR.
OKAY. THEY TRIED TO GET ANOTHER 25 ACRES. I'M LIKE, GUYS, LET'S TAKE THE MONEY, BUILD THE PARK, AND THEN I KNOW I MENTIONED IN THE WRITE UP TO ABOUT TWO CAR GARAGES OR 400FT■!S. WOULD YOU E OPPOSED TO MAKING IT THREE CAR GARAGES ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE THE. I DON'T THINK YOU EVEN DO A TWO CAR GARAGE IN THAT SECTION? WE TYPICALLY DO TWO ONES, THREE TANDEMS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO VERY MANY TWOS ANYMORE, DO WE? I MEAN, WE DO, BUT YEAH. SO IF IT WAS BUMPED UP FROM 400 TO 600, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT THEN IN THAT REGARD YOU MENTIONED I GUESS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND HELP, HELP YOU BUDDY HERE, ADDISON ROGERS, TOLL BROTHERS 7609 WEST OVER THE ISSUE WITH THE GARAGE SPECIFICS COMES INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL DEFINITION. HOW DO YOU DEFINE A GARAGE BAY? WHAT ARE THOSE EXACT MEASUREMENTS AND HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT IN A FLOOR PLAN? YOU'RE CORRECT. WANDERING CREEK, WHICH IS AGAIN THE BASE PRODUCT LINE THAT WE WOULD START WITH FOR THE MARKET RATE SIDE OF THIS PROJECT, DOESN'T OFFER A PLAN THAT IS UNDER A THREE CAR GARAGE. THE HANG UP WOULD COME IN ADDING LANGUAGE TO REQUIRE THAT AS IT RELATES TO THOSE SPECIFIC MEASUREMENTS, I DON'T THINK THE 600 SQUARE FOOT WOULD BE AN ISSUE FOR US, AND IF WE COULD LEAVE IT AT THAT, THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL ONLY IN THE SAKE OF THAT TANDEM GARAGE, AND THAT REQUIRED ADDITIONAL MEASUREMENT. THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? OKAY. AND THEN I THINK MY BRAIN AND MY LEFT BRAIN, OKAY. I THINK THAT'S MY MAIN QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE FOR YOU. I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION, JUST AS A COMMISSIONER IN GENERAL, IS I, I SUPPORT A 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT'S NEEDED IN OUR TOWN. AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT ON THE WEST TRACK. I DO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SECOND AMENITY CENTER ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO ADD AMENITIES TO THAT PORTION OF THE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE EAST SIDE.
MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS LOT SIZE, AND I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THE MEDIUM DENSITY REQUIREMENT IS, YOU KNOW, FROM 12 TO 20,000. AND SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BIG LOTS INTRODUCED ON THAT SIDE. THIS IS A PREMIUM PRODUCT. AND ALSO PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR LARGER LOT SIZES AND PROSPER. AND SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO SEE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AS A COMPROMISE FOR WHAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE, I, I, I'M OKAY WITH THE SMALLER LOT SIZES, BUT ON THE EAST SIDE I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE LARGER LOT SIZES UP TO 20,000FT■!S. THAT'S MY FEEDBACK FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT I'LL PROBABLY HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS. I'M SURE YOU WILL. I HAVE, YEAH, I HAVE A LOT OF LITTLE NOTES ALL OVER MY PAGE HERE, BUT THAT'S IT FOR NOW. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO STRAIGHT DOWN, COMMISSIONER CARLSON? I SEE YOU RIGHT, AND GO FOR IT. I GOT A COUPLE, PROBABLY. I'M GOING TO HOLD MY LARGER THOUGHTS TO THE END, BUT I THINK THE BIG POINT I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER HERE. I MEAN, THE I GET PRETTY CONFLICTED WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT MEDIUM DENSITY. AND THIS IS VERY COMMON IN YOU CAN GO LOOK AT ANY OF MY COMMENTS SINCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED, BUT 12.5 IS OUR IS HOW I INTERPRET OUR ORDINANCE OR OUR CODE. SO WHEN WE'RE GETTING INTO 50, SORRY, YOU'RE MOVING FAST, BUT THERE WAS A TABLE THAT HAD ALL THE ONES ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, 52% OR SOMETHING, OR 10,000FT. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY ON THE ON THE EAST TRACK. LET'S KEEP IT FOCUSED ON THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO GET THOSE UP TO 12.5.
AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG A BIG DEAL FOR THAT PARTICULAR PRODUCT. I GET A LITTLE FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD SAY I CERTAINLY AGREE AND APPRECIATE THE QUALITY LEVEL OF A TOLL BROTHERS DEVELOPMENT AND THE HOMES IN WHICH YOU BUILD. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT IF IT HELPS YOU, YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT AMENITIES. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I DON'T WANT TO
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DISCOUNT THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE CREEK. AND TO ME, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST PART OF THIS WHOLE ENTIRE TRACK. IT'S A HUGE NATURAL FEATURE TO ME. THERE ARE SUCH A LACK OF AMENITIES SHOWN ON BOTH OF THE TRACKS, BUT PARTICULARLY THE SUPER HIGH DENSITY, AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY. I COULD GET ON BOARD WITH A BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT IF I'M LIVING IN THAT, IF I WAS 55 AND LIVING IN THAT SOUTHERN PORTION, I HAVE NOTHING. I HAVE NOTHING BUT ROOFTOPS. AND THEN IF I GO TO THE END OF THE STREET, I SEE SOME TREES, BUT I DON'T QUITE FOLLOW HOW WE HAVE A HIGH LEVEL. I THINK THE AMENITY CENTER WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL. I BET IT'D BE. I'D BETTER BE BEST IN CLASS. BUT EVERYTHING SOUTH, THE OTHER 75% OF THAT TRACK, IT JUST DOESN'T SHOW. WELL, THERE'S NO POCKET PARTS, THERE'S NO GREEN SPACE. THERE'S NO TRAIL THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT. THERE'S NO. THERE'S NOTHING. THE EAST TRACK WOULD PROBABLY FEEL THE SAME, BUT IT'S A IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WELL DONE. I HAVE A I KNOW IT'S A SMALL DETAIL, BUT IF I'M, IF I'M VOTING IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD, I THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN UP THE PERMITTED USES.UNFORTUNATELY, NOT THAT YOU GUYS WOULD DO THIS, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF TIMES WHERE WE APPROVE SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK TO BITE US LATER, AND I THINK WE OWE THE TOWN THE RESPONSIBILITY TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT GETS APPROVED. I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE EXCEPTION WITH. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN IT UP TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WE TALKED ABOUT. AND THEN MY ONLY KIND OF COMIC IS WE CALL THEM FARMHOUSE, AND THEN WE PUT THEM ON 56 FOOT LOTS. I JUST FIND THAT SLIGHTLY IRONIC. I'VE NEVER SEEN A FARMHOUSE ON A 56 FOOT WIDE LOT. BUT A FEW OTHER COMMENTS. BUT WE'LL SAVE THEM TILL LATER. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY ADDRESSED. YOUR POWERPOINT IS VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. MR. BLACK SAID. I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE TO ADD TO WHAT THEY'VE SAID. I AGREE WITH WHAT MY WHAT MY CO COMMISSIONERS HERE HAVE SAID. I AGREE WITH CONCERNS ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THE SIZE OF THE LOTS. I ESPECIALLY HAVE THE CONCERN WITH 55 FOOT LOTS. I THINK I MENTIONED THAT IN EARLIER ITEM TONIGHT. I THINK I THINK ANYTHING IN THE 50S IS STARTING TO GET WAY TOO SMALL FOR. WIDTH. LOTS. AND SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT IN THE WEST TRACT. I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE AGE RESTRICTED, YOU'RE USUALLY LOOKING FOR SMALLER YARDS AND STUFF, BUT I THINK A 65 FOOT WIDTH OF A YARD IS STILL GOING TO BE PRETTY SMALL. AND SO I THINK THAT USUALLY WORKS, I SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ESPECIALLY. BUT I AGREE WITH THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SPACE IN THE CONCEPT PLAN. I'D LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST SOME SPACE SET ASIDE FOR FURTHER AMENITIES THAT COULD BE BUILT RIGHT NOW. LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST TOTALLY BUILT OUT WITH HOMES AND ROOFTOPS AND STUFF. SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN HERE WITH WITH WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT. CAN I SPEAK TO THE AMENITY PART OF THAT? SURE.
LET'S LET'S KEEP IN MIND I'M GONNA DO A REALITY CHECK HERE FOR YOU. WE'RE ON THE FAR WEST EDGE OF UP AGAINST SALINA. FAR NORTH EDGE UP AGAINST SALINA. WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE'RE NOT MONETIZING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. RIGHT. YOU HAVE A 75 ACRE PARK IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF HERE.
YOU. YOU NEED MONEY TO DO THAT? AS I RECALL CORRECTLY, MEETING WITH STAFF, IT'S LIKE $30 MILLION. AND SO I WOULD HAVING BEEN IN YOUR SHOES TO MAKE THAT DECISION, THERE'S CERTAIN TRADEOFFS, LOVERS BACK AND FORTH. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE LET THE DEVELOPER BEAR THEIR BURDEN ON THEIR AMENITIES FOR THEIR SITE. AGAIN, ONE SITE WILL BE GATED. THAT'S A HUGE EXPENSE. $1,012 MILLION AMENITY CENTER, A LOT OF PARKING PARKS ALL THROUGH IT, TRAIL SYSTEM EVERYWHERE. GREAT. THAT'S ON THE DEVELOPER TO CARRY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL TO NOT GIVE UP LOTS BECAUSE YOU NEED TO FUND THOSE PARKS TO THE SOUTH, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ALSO THE AMENITY AS WELL AS DOE BRANCH HERE. I MEAN, THIS IS A TRAIL THAT ULTIMATELY GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LAKE LEWISVILLE. AND OVER THE NEXT 50 YEARS, THAT CONNECTION IS GOING TO BE MADE. AND THERE'S OTHER PLANS THAT EXIST OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN OR IN THE CITY OF PROSPER THAT WE WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF AND BE WORKING WITH THE PARK STAFF TO, TO DEVELOP THAT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO CONTINUE OUR PRESENCE IN PROSPER. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKS THAT THE CITY HAS SET ASIDE, THAT THEY'RE ADEQUATELY FUNDED. AND SO, AS I LEFT IT WITH THE PARKS CHAIRMAN, PARKS DIRECTOR, TAKE THE MONEY THAT YOU WOULD GET FROM THE EXTRA UNITS AND LET'S FUND THESE PARKS. AND THEN LET'S MAKE THAT BECAUSE OF WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, LET'S MAKE THAT PART OF THIS EFFORT. SO THAT'S ALL THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I'M GOING TO MAKE. THANKS. THANKS FOR THE LEVEL SET, COMMISSIONER FERRY. I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD OTHER THAN WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, SO I'LL SPARE
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EVERYONE THE TIME. I AM NOT TO GET BOGGED DOWN AGAIN WITH THE CEMENTITIOUS FIBERBOARD, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT ON THAT MODERN FARMHOUSE THAT IS 100% CEMENTITIOUS FIRE FIBERBOARD ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, RIGHT ON THE FRONT, ON THE FRONT EXCLUSIVELY. BUT THE WAY THAT IT'S DRAFTED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BRICK ON THE FIRST FLOOR LARGELY. AND THEN WITH THE WATER, THE WATER TABLE.CORRECT. THE 30 INCH, I THINK IT'S 30IN. IT COMES ACROSS THE BOTTOM AGAIN, THE SIDES AND THE REAR WOULD BE STONE, STUCCO OR BRICK, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE EAVES AND SOFFITS AND ANY GABLE ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR. GOT IT. YEAH, I REALLY ALSO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF STRUGGLE IS THE RIGHT WORD THAT THAT PARCEL ABOVE PARVIN IS JUST VERY, VERY AWKWARD. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SOLUTION TO THAT REALLY IS. PERHAPS IT'S THIS, BUT IT IS WHERE THE ROAD IS GOING TO GO.
IT DOES CREATE AN AWKWARD PARCEL ABOVE THERE. IS THERE GOING TO BE? WOULD THERE BE SIGNAGE ON EACH SIDE KIND OF TYING IT TOGETHER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, LIKE ENTRY SIGNAGE WHERE THIS IS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE YOU START TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE LIFESTYLE AMENITIES, RIGHT. WITH A PERSON THAT WORKS FOR THE HOA, HAS AN OFFICE THERE, AND ARE THEY REPRESENTING THOSE FOLKS OR NOT? THERE'S AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT IS A THAT IS A THAT IS AN ORPHAN AND WIDOW THAT WAS CREATED BY THE MASTER PLAN PUTTING THE ROAD THERE. WE KNOW THAT THE CITY OF PROSPER, THE CITY OF SALINA AND DENTON COUNTY, ARE WORKING TOWARDS THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION FOR THAT ROAD. I BELIEVE SALINA IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO DO THE HEAVY WATER LIFTING TO GET THAT RECONFIGURED. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY PART OF A LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THE ROAD THERE, AND I JUST SIMPLY CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY TO UNFOLD HERE, WITH BOTH DRAINAGE STUFF COMING FROM THE NORTH, FROM SUTTON, AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT ROAD? THEY MAY MOVE IT OVER TEN FEET. THEY MAY MOVE IT OVER 50FT. I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT CORRIDOR FOR THAT ROAD. AND FRANKLY, IT'S NOT A ROUNDING ERROR BECAUSE SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE, BUT IT ALSO REPRESENTS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT INTENTIONALLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WOULD IT BE LOTS? WELL, AS IT'S DRAWN TODAY, IT COULD BE. WOULD IT BE A LIFT STATION? PROBABLY NOT. WOULD IT BE A PARK? WOULD THE OF PROSPER WANT TO BUILD A PARK THERE THAT NO RESIDENTS OF PROSPER ARE GOING TO USE? THAT SEEMS KIND OF. SO WHAT DOES IT BECOME AS IT SITS TODAY? WE'VE GOT IT AS RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH A LOTA OF GREEN SPACE SURROUNDIG IT, AND IT'S GOT A PLACE THAT WE CAN PUT A PLAYGROUND SYSTEM IN CASE WE HAVE TO BREAK IT OUT AND MAKE IT ITS OWN LITTLE COMMUNITY. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY THAT HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THAT GETS DEVELOPED AND FINISHED, AND I DON'T WANT TO WRITE THAT HISTORY BOOK YET. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. NO, I MEAN, I'VE EVEN GOT CONCERNS ON THAT AS TO HOW TRASH SERVICE HAPPENS THERE, BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE THE ONE PLACE THAT GETS MISSED EVERY MEMORIAL DAY, EVERY CHRISTMAS, EVERY NEW YEAR, EVERY THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY.
THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE CALLING THE CITY WANTING TO KNOW, WHERE'S MY TRASH? WHY DIDN'T THEY PICK IT UP? I JUST I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I DEVELOPED THESE THINGS AND I KNOW HOW THEY GET SERVICED. AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE NEED THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY TO HAPPEN HERE, AND I DON'T WANT TO WRITE THAT BOOK YET. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO NOW I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE DO HAVE WE DID HAVE TWO FORMS SUBMITTED. ONE FROM A P.O. BOX AND PROSPER AND ONE FROM LAKE KIOWA, TEXAS, BOTH IN SUPPORT THEY DO NOT OPPOSE. I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THIS. DO WE HAVE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANT TO COME SPEAK? NO. WE JUST SAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
SO WITH THAT, I CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WE CAN JUST GO DOWN AND STATE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE, OR I'LL TAKE A MOTION BY ANY COMMISSIONER. BUT YOU CAN. YEAH. START ON THAT SIDE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE UP. I MEAN, CONCEPTUALLY, IT'S GENERALLY FINE. I JUST IT IT FEELS LIKE WE
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GET TO COMMISSIONER CARSON, AND I'M SURE THAT COMMISSIONER HAMILTON WILL GET HERE EVENTUALLY. WE GET REQUESTS FOR MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ALL THE TIME THAT MEET THE TWO AND A HALF, BUT NOT THE 12,500, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, A BIG ISSUE THAT'S COME UP ON THIS BOARD. I FEEL LIKE EVERY MEETING, EVERY MEETING, YOU KNOW, THE SMALLER LOT SIZES FOR THE, THE SENIOR HOUSING OR THE AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING MAKES SENSE. I THINK IT'S A CREATIVE WAY TO ADDRESS THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE IN MARKET BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT FIND WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LINE GOING THROUGH THE PARCEL. I'M JUST I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE LOT SIZES ON THE EASTERN PORTION BEING A LITTLE BIT SMALL, WITH ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT IT DOES HIT THE I BELIEVE IT'S WHAT, 2.1 PER ACRE. SO I'M SURE THERE WILL BE SOME SIMILAR COMMENTS. BUT THAT'S MY GENERAL THINKING AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLANCHETT. WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD TO WHAT I SAID. I, I, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF 55 FOOT LOTS SO THAT THAT'S A NO GO FOR ME ALREADY. I LIKE THE CONCEPTS HERE. I LIKE THE AGE RESTRICTED. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SMALLER LOTS, BUT I THINK 55 IS STILL WAY TOO SMALL. IF THE IF THE DEVELOPERS INTERESTED IN TRYING TO DO AWAY WITH THOSE AND GIVE US MORE 65 FOOT AND UP ABOVE, I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AS FAR AS THE EAST TRACT IS CONCERNED, I'M I AGREE TOO. I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE THIS COMPLY WITH OUR MEDIUM DENSITY DEFINITION WITH NOT THE 10,000 FOOT LOTS, BUT THE 12.5 AND ABOVE. OR IS WHAT I PREFER TO SEE. BUT I'M I CAN BE PERSUADED WITH THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS IS CONFIGURED. BUT LIKE I SAID AT THIS TIME, THE 55 FOOT LOTS IN IN THE EAST OR THE WEST TRACT, I MEAN ARE, ARE JUST A NO GO FOR ME. MR. CARSON. THANK YOU. YEAH, I CERTAINLY AGREE. I MEAN, I THINK A FEW OF MY COMMENTS, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF APPROVING OR RECOMMENDING, RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL, I SHOULD SAY. I THINK WE SAW SOME WORK TO DO HERE. I THINK WE'RE NOT FAR OFF AND I THINK THERE'S SOME PATHS TO SUCCESS. BUT YEAH, I THINK THE FACADE, I'M JUST GOING DOWN MY LIST. SO I KIND OF LIKE COMMISSIONER HAMILTON. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE SCATTERED. I THINK THE FACADE TYPE CONVERSATION IS GOOD. I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD DIVERSITY. I THINK THERE'S A FEW IN THERE THAT DON'T MEET THE KIND OF INTENT OF PROSPER. LIKE I'LL TAKING AWAY MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. JUST I THINK WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT'S AROUND. AND I TAKE A LITTLE EXCEPTION. AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T MEAN IT THIS WAY, BUT I DON'T REALLY CARE IF SALINAS TO THE WEST OR THE NORTH AND I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SALINA. I REPRESENT PROSPER. AND SO I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS THINK ABOUT THE FOLKS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, WITHIN, PROSPER AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING. SO I THINK PROBABLY OPPOSING I APPRECIATE THE NEEDING FOR FUNDING FOR PROSPER PARKS, AND I ACTUALLY THINK THOSE WORK AGAINST THE CONCEPT OF. OF AGE RESTRICTION, THE AGE RESTRICTED, BECAUSE I THINK THOSE FOLKS DON'T HAVE THOSE AMENITIES AND THAT KIND OF SPACE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THEY GOT A LOT OF ROOFTOPS. SO. KIND OF KIND OF WANDERING. SO I APOLOGIZE. BUT ON THE WEST SIDE, I THINK I LOVE I COULD GET ON BOARD WITH SOME SMALLER ONES. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GLENN SAID. I THINK 65 SHOULD BE A MINIMUM. NO MATTER WHAT WE DO IN PROSPER, I THINK IT JUST ESTABLISHES SOME SOME OTHER NORMS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. BUT 55 IS JUST JUST A TINY LOT. AND I THINK THE OTHER THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT FOLLOW ALONG WITH THAT, WITH SETBACKS, IT FITS A LOT BETTER WHERE IT'S NOT 100% HOUSE, EXCEPT FOR THERE, EXCEPT FOR THE SETBACK. SO I WOULD I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A 65 FOOT LOT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SOME SORT OF FACTOR BE PUT IN, AND MAYBE WE EVALUATE THIS AS OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE EVOLVES, BUT WITHIN A CERTAIN PROXIMITY OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOUSES, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN AMENITY OR A PARK OR SOME OPEN SPACE. I DON'T THINK IT'S ALWAYS THE RIGHT SOLUTION TO GROUP OPEN SPACE, AND WE'RE LARGELY BENEFITING FROM THE, AGAIN, VERY GREAT OPEN SPACE TO THE SOUTH AND EAST THERE. I THINK THERE'S 500. AND WHAT DO WE SAY 525 HOMES. THAT'S AN EXCEPTIONALLY DENSE PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW WE HOW WE ACCOMPLISH A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACED OUT AMENITIES AND OPEN SPACE ON THE FACADE TYPE. SORRY, THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADED A MINUTE AGO. I THINK IT'S GREAT AND I LIKE IT. BUT MY[01:50:05]
QUESTION TO OUR TEAM, I GUESS, WHICH IS RHETORICAL AT THIS STAGE, BUT WHO'S GOING TO GOVERN THAT? YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUTTING THEM NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND ALL THAT? AND WHAT'S A HIGH PLAINS VERSUS A TWO DOOR TUDOR OR A MODERN FARMHOUSE? I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S SOME KEY ELEMENTS, BUT TO ME, WE'RE JUST SETTING UP FOR SOME REALLY INTERESTING CHALLENGES. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S HARD FOR THE TOWN TO TRY TO MANAGE. I LIKE THE DIVERSITY AND SPREADING THEM OUT, BUT I JUST I THINK THERE'S SO MANY OPTIONS HERE THAT THAT'S HARD TO MANAGE IN MY OPINION. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ABOUT CEMENTITIOUS BOARD AND WHETHER THAT COUNTS AS MASONRY OR NOT. I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR AGAINST SOMETHING LIKE A MODERN FARMHOUSE. I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT'S COMMENTARY ABOUT. I THINK BRICK AND STONE IS MASONRY, AND I THINK PUTTING A BAND GIVES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE QUALITATIVE FEEL TO IT. SO BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHEN WE SAY CEMENTITIOUS BOARD. WHAT'S OUR DEFINITION OF THAT AND HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW AND WHAT YOU YOU HAVE TO NOT THINK ABOUT IT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES. YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT FOR THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THEM. SO I THINK WHAT'S TO THE SIDES AND THE BACKS MATTER AS WELL. WE TALKED ABOUT MEDIUM DENSITY. TO ME, THAT'S A NON-NEGOTIABLE. IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE SOME SORT OF VARIANCE TO THE TO THE WEST SIDE, I THINK THE EAST SIDE NEEDS TO HOLD TRUE TO THE 12 FIVE. AND I DO THINK THERE'S STILL SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OR TWO TO TURN INTO SOME POCKET PARKS OR SOMETHING. IT WOULD WOULD CERTAINLY HELP THE LOOK AND FEEL OF IT. SORRY I MISSED RUNNING DOWN MY LIST. I THINK WE'VE PRETTY MUCH TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO GET TO A TO GET TO A YES IN THE FUTURE. I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO DO BEFORE I'D FEEL GOOD VOTING IN FAVOR. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARSON. COMMISSIONER HAMILTON, I LIKE A LOT OF I LIKE A LOT OF PARTS OF THIS. AND I FEEL LIKE WE CAN GET THERE SOON, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET. AS I MENTIONED ON THE WEST SIDE, THE AGE RESTRICTED AREA. I'M I'M AGREEING WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THE SLIGHTLY LARGER LOT 65 AND ABOVE. SO REMOVING THE 55 FOOT LENS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SEPARATE AMENITY CENTER ON THE SOUTH SIDE. TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER CARSON, ABOUT AMENITIES AND HOW CLOSE THEY NEED TO BE. IT'S USUALLY A STANDARD OF LIKE 3 TO 5 WALKING MINUTES TO GET TO AN AMENITY WHERE IT ADDS VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT DOESN'T JUST ADD, I MEAN, IT ADDS VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE BUILDING AND RAISES THE PRICES SO AND ADDS OVERALL VALUE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK THAT'S A IMPORTANT FEATURE THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THERE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU TOOK OUT 20 LOTS AND ADDED ANOTHER AMENITY CENTER, I'M OKAY WITH THE PARK CREDIT. NOT GOING TO THAT BECAUSE THE IN THAT GATED COMMUNITY, THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND THE BULK OF THEIR LEISURE TIME. AND SO I THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT TO GET IT RIGHT ON THE WEST SIDE, ON THE EAST SIDE, THE 12,500 LOT IS THE MINIMUM FOR MEDIUM DENSITY, UP TO 20,000. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE 12,000 TO 20,000, WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO HAVE SOME LARGER LOT SIZES ON THAT SIDE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR. THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. THEY WANT IT. AND SO I'M I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE DIVERSITY IN OUR TOWN THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR. THIS IS AGRICULTURAL LAND. WE DON'T GET TOO MUCH AGRICULTURAL LAND. A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE DEALT THE CARD THAT SAYS IT'S ZONED HIGH DENSITY AND WE CAN'T IMPACT IT. IN THIS CASE, THIS IS ZONED AGRICULTURE AND WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP A GREAT PRODUCT HERE. AND TOLL BROTHERS IS A GOOD PARTNER AND THEY DEVELOP GOOD PRODUCT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LARGER LOT SIZES ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THAT NORTH AREA FRONTIER. IT WILL BE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE END OF THE DAY. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT INCLUDES SOMETHING THAT IN THE WRITE UP, THAT INCLUDES THAT IT HAS TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF AMENITY. SO THOSE ISOLATED HOMES DON'T FEEL ISOLATED. SO WHETHER IT'S A SMALL POCKET PARK, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE ITS OWN FEATURE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA, THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE PARK WITHIN THEIR 12 OR 15 HOUSES, WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE'RE CLOSE, BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO MAKE SOME TWEAKS BEFORE I WOULD PROBABLY BE WILLING TO MOVE IT FORWARD. AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE TABLE THIS AND GIVE THEM TIME TO WORK ON THOSE DETAILS, AND WE COULD EITHER BRING IT BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING OR THE FOLLOWING ONE AFTER THAT IF THEY NEED MORE TIME. BUT THAT'S MY[01:55:03]
RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. WELL, CAN I HAVE ONE THING? ONE SIMPLE COMMENT? I AGREE, I THINK WE WANT TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT NORTH PIECE. THAT ONE BOTHERS ME THE LEAST BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A LITTLE OUT OF CONTROL, SO I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM TRYING TO CARVE OFF SOME SORT OF FAVORABLE EXEMPTION OR SOMETHING TO GIVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO IT, JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S HARD. AND I THINK YOU'RE TRYING I THINK YOU'RE BRAND IS ON THE LINE, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD ON DOING THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, TILL THE VERY END TO MAKE IT RIGHT.AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OUT OF YOUR CONTROL. SO I WHATEVER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HELP PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY TO THE APPLICANT, I THINK WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP, HELP BRING TO THE TABLE IF IT IF IT MATTERS, APPRECIATE IT. SO, DAVID, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR IF SHOULD IS IT UP TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY WANT TO TABLED OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE JUST DO OURSELVES? IF BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HERE, AND I DOUBT WE'RE GOING TO GET GET THE. GET THE GO FOR SO. WE'RE. THE ANSWER IS THAT WE CAN TABLE IT. THAT IS ONE OF THE ALLOWED MOTIONS AT THIS POINT FOR THE COMMISSION.
TO. REQUEST STAFF. SO AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT A LOT SLEEPING. SO THAT WILL WORK AS WELL. I JUST DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER ON THE PROPERTY. THE 16TH BIG CIRCLE. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO KNOW THIS.
SO. THERE WOULD BE NO YOU NEED TO GET A GOOD DATE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING THIS. IF I THINK IF I SAY IT NOW, EVERYONE IS HERE, PLEASE KNOW THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH YOU, WHICH IS ALSO AHEAD OF THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. RIGHT. SO LIKE WE MAY NOT SLOW THIS PROCESS DOWN IF WE CAN. YEAH, YEAH. SO I GUESS WITH THAT I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE WE TABLE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND TABLE IT TO JULY 15TH. DO WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER. WAIT, WAIT. OH. GREAT. THANK YOU CHAIR OKAY. FOUR AND FIVE FIVE IS THE SAME. YEAH THAT'S FINE OKAY I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND THE SAME THING. YEP. OKAY. WAIT TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO TABLE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE TO OUR JULY 15TH MEETING. SECOND SECOND. I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE CONSENT. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE TO JULY 15TH MEETING. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HAMILTON AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CARSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION 5 TO 0.
THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS REVIEW ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND POSSIBLY DIRECT TOWN STAFF TO SCHEDULE TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING. ALRIGHTY. AT THE PREVIOUS TOWN COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 10TH, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA WAS THE NOTICE OF APPEALS THAT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY AT THE NEXT TOWN COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 24TH. ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE A NOTICE OF APPEALS. AND THEN THAT PD WHERE THEY SPLIT THE LOT OFF OF SEVENTH STREET, THAT'LL BE ON THE TOWN COUNCIL AGENDA FOR FUTURE PRNS ITEMS. I SAW THAT EMAIL THAT I SENT OUT LAST WEEK ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. OUR CONSULTANT SAID THAT THEY'RE TARGETING THAT MONDAY, JUNE 30TH INSTEAD OF JULY 1ST BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT JULY 1ST DATE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT WEIRD, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ON A MONDAY INSTEAD OF A TUESDAY. SO A QUESTION WITH THAT ONE, BECAUSE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING A WEEK OFF, THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A WEEK OFF. AND I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE ON VACATION. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE. WE WERE SOLD A WEEK OFF. YEAH.
AND IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THEY TALKED TO US AFTER WE HAD TALKED TO YOU GUYS SHOULD GO
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BACK AND TALK TO THEM AGAIN. BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM FOR THAT MEETING A WEEK OFF. THAT'S NOT TO SAY DO WE HAVE HOW MANY MORE DO WE HAVE LEFT? HOW MANY PEOPLE AT THE MEETING? JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. YEAH, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS KIND OF THE EXTRA HAT THAT THAT Y'ALL WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET. AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS BETWEEN CHANGES THAT THE LEGISLATURE ON HOW WE CAN DEAL WITH IMPACT FEES AND TIMING AS FAR AS WHAT COSTS ARE WITH YOU ALL READ THE PAPERS, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE IDEAS OF TARIFFS AND THIS AND THAT GOING UP AND PRICES GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE, IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO PIN DOWN ESTIMATES FOR THE COST OF THESE PROJECTS FOR FIVE YEARS. I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE DOING IT FOR SIX MONTHS, MUCH LESS FOR FIVE YEARS. AND SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THEY'RE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND AND THE DEADLINE, AND IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. IT'S NOT THE COUNCIL'S FAULT. IT'S A BUNCH OF THINGS GOING TOGETHER. AND THE DEADLINE IS THE FINAL MEETING FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT THE IMPACT FEES ARE GOING TO BE HAS TO OCCUR BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST.SO THEY'RE TRYING TO TARGET THE LAST MEETING IN AUGUST, WHICH IS I THINK IT'S THE 26TH FOR COUNCIL, 26 THROUGH 27. AND SO IN ORDER TO BACK UP FROM THAT, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THIS SPECIAL MEETING IN FOR THE COMMISSIONER AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO WE'VE MANAGED TO WORK THE SCHEDULE TO WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE FIRST, AND WE NEED FOUR OF YOU TO BE AT THAT MEETING ON THE 30TH. WE DON'T NEED ALL SEVEN OF YOU. AND WE ACTUALLY HAD KIND OF DONE A STRAW POLL AND WE THINK WE'VE GOT FOUR, MAYBE FIVE, MAYBE SIX, MAYBE SEVEN DEPENDING. BUT THAT'S YEAH, I KNOW. AND THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE KNOW THIS IS SPECIAL AND IT'S TIME. I MEAN IT IS A DUTY, BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. IT'S THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S FOR. AND IT DID COME AFTER THE FACT. COMMISSIONER JACKSON. WE, WE THOUGHT BECAUSE COUNCIL'S TAKEN OFF JULY THE 8TH AND WE THOUGHT, WELL HERE'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. EVERYBODY GETS A BREAK AROUND JULY 4TH. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT. WE HAD PLANNED IT. I HAD MENTIONED IT TO THE POWERS THAT BE. AND THEN WE DISCOVERED SHORTLY THEREAFTER WEEK, TEN DAYS ABOUT THIS, THIS WHOLE CIP DEAL. SO IT JUST DIDN'T TURN OUT THE WAY THAT WE WANTED IT TO. YEAH. IT'S ALL I CAN SAY IS, I'M SORRY, BUT WE NEED FOUR OF YOU. WELL, WE HAVE FOUR. I'LL BE THERE. ALL RIGHT. I PLAN ALL MY VACATIONS AROUND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. I ACTUALLY ADDED I ACTUALLY ADDED THE 30TH BECAUSE WE HAD THE DAY OFF. I ADDED IT TO MY, MY SCHEDULE TO STAY OUT OF TOWN RAISING KIDS. THIS. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING, THAT'LL BE ON THE 15TH. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM IS TO BE DETERMINED. OBVIOUSLY, THAT ITEM THAT YOU SAW TODAY IS GOING TO BE ON THERE. AND THEN IN OUR UDC WORK SESSION, IT WILL BE OUR LAST ONE. IT WILL BE OVER THE ENGINEERING DESIGN STANDARDS. SO THAT'LL BE YOUR YOUR LAST WORK SESSION THERE FOR THE UDC. AND THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF. ALL RIGHT. WELL I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO OUR NEXT MEETING. MOVE TO ADJOURN. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON TO ADJOURN. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FIORE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO ADJOURN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. ARE YOU TRYING TO STAY AROUND? IT'S FIVE 5 TO 0
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