[1. Call to Order / Roll Call.]
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STARTED HERE. SO, JOSH, ARE YOU READY? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. LET'S GO. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE TUESDAY, APRIL 15TH, 2025. PROSPER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER AT 6:03 P.M. PLEASE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMISSIONER HAMILTON, WH&-PF TOWN FOR THIS MEETING. FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, THOSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST COMPLETE THE PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM LOCATED ON THE TOWN WEBSITE OR IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. IF YOU'RE ATTENDING IN PERSON, PLEASE SUBMIT THIS FORM TO THE BOARD CHAIR A STAFF MEMBER PRIOR TO THE MEETING. WHEN CALLED UPON, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ITEM TWO THIS EVENING IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. IF EVERYONE WILL RISE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH
[3. Update on Future Development Plans for the Dallas North Tollway and discussion of existing Planned Development Districts.]
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. ITEM THREE THIS EVENING IS UPDATE ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND DISCUSSION OF EXISTING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS DAVID GERSTLE, 791 BROADMOOR LANE, PROSPECT, TEXAS 75078. I WANT TO START WITH SAYING THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE ALONG THE WAY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A OPPORTUNITY TO CATCH YOU GUYS UP ON WHERE THE COUNCIL'S THOUGHT PROCESSES ARE OUTSIDE OF A WORKSHOP OR WORK SESSION AND JUST GIVE, GIVE IT TO YOU. SO WHAT I HAVE HERE IS A PRESENTATION THAT HAS 33 SLIDES. AS I TOLD THE CHAIRMAN EARLIER, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE SLIDE AND READ THEM TO YOU. I'M GOING TO LET YOU HAVE IT. AND MR. HOOVER WILL FORWARD YOU THE PRESENTATION AFTERWARDS WHEN WE GET TO IS THE IMPORTANT PART IS THE CONCLUSIONS FOR SOME OF THOSE. THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE A LITTLE WHILE, THERE'S BEEN TALK OF OVERLAY DISTRICTS, NOT OVERLAY DISTRICTS, FOR SEVERAL YEARS HERE IN PROSPER. AND WE HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION AS A COUNCIL THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ALONG THE TOLLWAY AND HAVE A PLAN AND A VISION, BECAUSE VERY OFTEN PEOPLE COME TO US AND SAY WHEN WE SAY NO, OKAY, WHAT CAN I DO THERE? AND SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE WHAT WHAT'S THE YES PART OF THAT. SO WE CAN SAY NO REALLY EASY. BUT WHAT'S THE. YES. AND SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF COVER WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE'VE DONE. THIS IS A CONTRACTOR. HIS NAME IS PARIS RUTHERFORD. HE WAS A KEY COMPONENT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF LAS COLINAS, THE IRVING AREA.SO HE HAS SKINS ON THE WALL AS BEING ABLE TO DO THIS TYPE OF PLANNING. AND I'LL START SHOWING YOU THE AREA THAT WE ACTUALLY COMMISSIONED HIM TO WORK ON. AND IT'S THE TOLLWAY FRONTAGE AREA THERE, BASICALLY FROM 380 TO FRONTIER PARKWAY. I THINK THAT'S LOOKING AT IT WITH THE 380 CORRIDOR BEING UP AT THE TOP. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF GOALS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I WILL TELL YOU, AS I GO THROUGH A LOT OF THE DATA HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT HE DID A LOT OF WORK FIGURING OUT WHAT IS WHAT. WHAT DO OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE? SORRY, I NEED TO MAKE SURE I EXPLAIN TO YOU WE DID THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EDC IN THE FIRST MEETING. THIS IS A SERIES OF TWO MEETINGS THAT WE TOOK THAT TOOK PLACE. THE FIRST ONE WAS WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE EDC. THE SECOND ONE WAS THE COUNCIL ALONE. AND THAT WAS SO THAT THE EDC, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ATTRACTING DEVELOPMENT TO THIS AREA SO WE COULD GET THEIR INPUT ON WHAT THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS THAT THEY THOUGHT WAS VALUABLE. WHAT I FOUND TO BE INTERESTING IS. AS YOU LOOK, THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHICH CITIES DO YOU FEEL HAVE THE RIGHT BRAND IDENTITY FOR PROSPERS, MORE TOLLWAY FRONTAGE OR WHAT ARE THOSE TRAITS? HERE IS WHAT IS AMAZING IS THERE? THERE'S CONSENSUS ON ONLY A COUPLE OF THEM. AND YOU SEE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT THREW OUT PLACES LIKE CLEAR LAKE, FLORIDA, CARMEL, INDIANA. FRANKLIN, TENNESSEE, SUGARLAND. WE HAD A REALLY WIDE VARIETY OF RESPONSES, AND SO IT KIND OF OPENED MY EYES TO, OKAY, IF WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THE EDC, HOW IS THE DEVELOPER GOING TO COME IN AND BRING US SOMETHING THAT WE WANT WHEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ALIGNED VISION RIGHT HERE? SO THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION. AND YOU'LL SEE THIS TREND KIND OF THROUGHOUT. HOLD ON HERE SINCE IT. QUESTION NUMBER TWO SHOULD PROSPER BE A SELF-SUSTAINING CITY OR WE BALANCE JOBS AND HOUSING OR AN ENHANCED BEDROOM COMMUNITY WITH SOME JOBS AND SERVICE SERVICES AND RELYING ON OTHERS. WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS THE EDC AND THE COUNCIL SHOWED SOME SPLIT HERE. AND I WILL NOTE THERE'S ONLY SIX RESPONSES FROM THE COUNCIL ON THIS. THE EDC SAID YES, IT NEEDS TO BE A
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SELF-SUSTAINING CITY. COUNCIL HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT FEEL FOR THAT. AND THEN YOU CAN READ THROUGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THERE. I HAVE MY PERSONAL BELIEF, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE A RELATIVELY SELF-SUSTAINING CITY WHERE WE HAVE MOST OF THE SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AROUND US, BUT WE ALSO WILL KNOW IF WE GET TO THE EDC SIDE OF THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE GUCCI. ALL OF THOSE TYPE OF RETAIL BRANDS DOWN HERE. IN MY OPINION, IT SORRY, BUT THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME BECAUSE WE CAN DRIVE FOR SOME OF THAT STUFF.YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. IS THAT GOING TO BE A BASS PRO SHOP? MAYBE. PROBABLY NOT. YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT REALITY IS WITH OUR 27MI■!S, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON THE TOLLWAY FRONTAGE. SO THESE ARE INTERESTING QUESTIONS TO WORK THROUGH AS YOU GO. HE TALKED A BUNCH ABOUT PLANNING FRAMEWORK AND CONNECTORS AND THE WAY THINGS DEVELOP. I'LL LET YOU READ THROUGH ALL THAT. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF WAYS OF DOING IT. BUT. HE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE PLACES THAT HE'S WORKED SOUTHLAKE, PLANO, FRISCO. AND SO THIS IS A KIND OF AN INTERESTING THING TO ME HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANO FRISCO AREA, EVERYTHING ALONG THE TOLLWAY LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME. OKAY. IF YOU TAKE I MEAN, I KNOW WHERE THIS STUFF IS AND YOU GO, YEAH, THAT'S NOT VERY INSPIRING TO ME. AS I'M DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE TOLLWAY, SOME OF THE SOUTHLAKE STUFF, THEY'RE MORE LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE THIS IS APPLICABLE LATER ON.
THIS ONE HERE TALKS ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT OWNERSHIPS AND REALLY THAT THE FRONTAGE IS A SHOULD BE A SERIES OF NEIGHBORHOODS BASED ON A TEN MINUTE WALK. AGAIN, ALL OF THESE TYPE OF THINGS TO LOOK OUT THERE. HE WENT THROUGH THE LAND USE POTENTIAL BASED ON THE CITY'S VISION. THIS WAS ANOTHER INTERESTING SLIDE WHERE HE GOES THROUGH THE TRADE AREA ANALYSIS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA IN RED, THAT IS A THE GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE TO THE TOLLWAY. 121 BUT SEE HOW THAT THAT KIND OF STRETCHES UP INTO AND ACROSS INTO THE PROSPER AREA. AND THEN IT'S A SUBSET OF A SECOND TRADE AREA, THE PROSPER DEA FRONTAGE AREA. SO ALL OF THESE TRADE FRONTAGE AREAS OVERLAP. SO THE POINT THERE IS, IF YOU'VE GOT ONE OF SOMETHING BIG IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS, THAT OVERLAPPING AREA, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SECOND ONE. SO I THINK THAT I SAID THAT THE WAY. OKAY, HE BREAKS DOWN ALL OF THE TOLLWAY FRONTAGE AREA, GIVES IT TAX VALUES, INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL FOR LEASE, RESIDENTIAL, ACTIVE, SENIOR LIVING. AND THIS TO ME IS ONE OF OUR PREMIER SLIDES THAT TELLS ALL OF THE BUSINESSES AND TOTAL BUSINESSES, HOTEL ROOM PROGRAMING, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS OF NUMBERS, EMPLOYEES. WHAT THIS IS LOOKING AT, I BELIEVE, IS THAT WHAT CAN BE BUILT ALONG THERE AND WHAT THEY HIS PROJECTIONS ARE FOR THE TYPES OF USES ALONG THE TOLLWAY, WHICH THEN GET TO. YEAH, I KNOW, AND IT GETS REALLY FREAKING SMALL. THE DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, THE TOTAL DISCOUNTED AMOUNT OF 561FT■!S ACROSS, ALL RETAILS OF SHOPPING ACTIVITY DOES NOT REFLECT A FURTHER DISCOUNT RELATED TO ONLINE AND BRICK AND MORTAR SHOPPING, AND IT'S GOT TO BE JUST DETERMINED THROUGH DISCUSSION WITH THE BROKERS. BOTTOM LINE IS LIKELY THAT THIS SHOPPING ACTIVITY WOULD MANIFEST ITSELF THROUGH MIXED USE, EXPERIENCE BASED DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN STRIP CENTER DEVELOPMENTS. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY IN LINE WITH WHAT ALL YOU GUYS WOULD BE THINKING. ALSO, THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE IS A POPULATION. IT GIVES THE POPULATION BY BREAKS DOWN ALL THE DEMOGRAPHICS, ETHNIC, ETHNIC BOUNDARIES, AGES, ALL OF THAT. AND WHAT HE'S GETTING TO IS IN ONE OF THE FURTHER SLIDES IS THE ABSORPTION OF SINGLE FAMILY AND RENTAL AND APARTMENTS MULTIFAMILY. SO HERE AT THE TOP OF THE SLIDE, HE TALKS ABOUT HOW MUCH RESTAURANTS CAN BE ABSORBED, TALKS ABOUT OFFICE.
AND HE GIVES A AND THIS IS A TEN YEAR PROGRAMING HOTEL MEETING SPACES. AND THEN THE KEY THING DOWN HERE IS THE SINGLE FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS THAT COULD BE DONE AS WELL AS APARTMENTS. SO THIS IS KIND OF A HE TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ABSORPTION HERE AND WHERE. MAKE SURE I GET TO THE RIGHT ONE OKAY. IN THIS ONE HERE THE FOR SALE FOR LEASE RESIDENTIAL
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SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL. ALL OF THOSE THINGS. HE BREAKS DOWN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT USES THAT CAN BE APPLIED IN, IN AND ALONG THAT ENTIRE AREA AND BE ABSORBED. KEY THING DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND SIDE. THE TOTAL ABSORPTION PERIOD FOR ALL OF THIS STUFF IS 54 YEARS. OKAY, SO HE'S PLANNING FOR ALL OF THIS STUFF TO OCCUR IN THIS TOTAL 54 YEARS TO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT LEVELS THAT HE'S GOT THERE. I CAN'T FIND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF APARTMENT UNITS THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. MR. HOOVER, DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH SLIDE THAT WAS ON? YEAH. I THINK THAT THE TOTAL ABSORPTION GOES UP TO LIKE 3000. I JUST CAN'T SEE IT REAL QUICK. SO I'LL LET YOU ALL LOOK THROUGH IT. HE THEN GOES THROUGH THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMMUNITIES THAT WE CAN BECOME. WE CAN BE AN AMENITIZED TOWN WHERE WE'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. THE AND HE USES SOUTHLAKE AS AN EXAMPLE. FOR THOSE OF YOU FAMILIAR WITH SOUTHLAKE, I CAN SAY THAT'S PROBABLY. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. THE SELF-SUSTAINING CITY WHERE THE TAX BASE IS EQUALLY DIVIDED BETWEEN COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL LAND USES, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO. AND YOU CAN SEE HIS NOTE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM RISK OF ACHIEVING THIS AND PROSPER, THE SCALE OF THE FRONTAGE AND THE ABILITY TO TWEAK ALL THE EXISTING PD'S AND THEIR RELATED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. SO I'M GOING TO TAKE A SIDE NOTE RIGHT HERE AND TALK ABOUT ANOTHER COMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN SET UP BY THE COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THE PD'S. THERE. WE GOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PDS, 100 AND 140 PDS, SOME OF WHICH THAT GO BACK INTO THE 2001 TIME FRAME. YOU GUYS GET TO SEE THEM AND KNOW THAT THEY ARE THERE. CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF PDS TODAY MAY HAVE MADE SENSE BACK THEN.THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE TODAY. SO I APPOINTED GLENN DAMON FROM PNC AND AMY BARTLEY AND CAMERON REEVES TO A PD. WHAT'S THE PROPER NAME OF IT? IT'S A PD REVIEW COMMITTEE. SO OKAY, SO OUR OBJECTIVE OF THAT IS SO THAT WHEN WE'RE BUILDING THIS TOLLWAY FRONTAGE VISION, WE HAVE ALL THESE EXISTING PD'S OUT THERE FOR THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE TO COME BACK WITH EITHER A AGREED UPON SOLUTION TO HOW TO CORRECT THAT PD OR RECOMMENDED CHANGES THAT WE PUT IN TO GET THAT PD TO WHERE IT WILL MATCH UP WITH OUR VISION. SO I KNOW THIS IS THIS IS MY PRESENTATION, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK IF DAMON OR GLENN, YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING FROM YOUR WORK ON THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE OF HOW THAT'S GOING SO FAR AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO INTERACT WITH THE TOLLWAY FRONTAGE. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I. WELL, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS SO FAR AND, AND SELECTED CERTAIN PDS, WHICH IS KIND OF BEEN, YOU KNOW, SO, SO FAR PROBABLY A TOTAL OF SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT PDS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH. SO THAT ARE 25, 30 YEARS OLD AND HAVE LOTS OF USES ON THEM THAT ARE NO LONGER ONES THAT WE WOULD LIKE. BUT I THINK WE THE, THE MAIN PART OF THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THOSE PDS AND THEN TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN WHAT COULD BE AN APPROACH TO THE OWNERS TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT ARE BETTER AND TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THOSE SOLUTIONS. SO WE'RE WE'RE STILL, I THINK PRETTY STILL EARLY IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PROCESS. BUT WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS ON A COUPLE OF PDS THAT WERE MUCH MORE COMPLICATED. SO I WOULD SAY BASED OFF OF ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'VE SEEN WITH THE PD SO FAR, IF THEY HAVE USES THAT ARE JUST EGREGIOUS. SO THERE'S A TON OF STUFF THAT THAT THEY HAVE THAT IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALONG THAT TOLLWAY. SO I THINK IF WE DON'T PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE BASED OFF OF WHAT I'M SEEING SO FAR, AND OUR PD BOOK IS ABOUT THIS BIG AND WE GO THROUGH IT EVERY, EVERY MONTH.
SO, SO IF WE DON'T PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE TO STREAMLINE THAT, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LIKE WHAT WE WOULD EVENTUALLY SEE ALONG THE TOLLWAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND SO THE POINT OF THAT PARTICULAR CONVERSATION IS THAT COMMITTEE IS WORKING IN ALIGNMENT WITH THIS PARTICULAR VISION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, BECAUSE WITHOUT THE TWO THINGS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME. SO IF WE IMPOSE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, OKAY, WHICH PDS DO WE NEED TO GO LOOK AT AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THAT? AND THERE'S A TON OF THEM OUT THERE WITH THAT ARE LIKE LIKE DAMON SAID WITH THEIR EGREGIOUS USES. SO IT MADE SENSE IN 2000, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN 2025. SO THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE IS KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WHERE PROSPER IS POPULATION WISE, HOW HOUSEHOLD INCOME. SHOW. IT'S INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE WEALTHIEST SUBURBS. YOU CAN SEE
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ALSO WHERE THESE ARE ALIGNED WITH LOCALLY AS WELL AS NATIONALLY. AND THE FACT OF ALL OF THAT IS THAT THEY THE TAKEAWAY IS THE ONES IN GREEN DO NOT HAVE A COMMERCIAL IDENTITY ALONG THEIR RESPECTIVE HIGHWAYS. WESTLAKE, I BELIEVE, IS THE KEY, KEY THING THERE. THAT IS, IT'S A SMALLER COMMUNITY, VERY WELL DEFINED BY THE FACT THAT IT CREATED A TOUR ZONE FOR THE CHARLES SCHWAB CAMPUS. SO IT'S GOT A VERY UNIQUE THING THERE. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE AND PROSPER IN THAT SAME MANNER, JUST DUE TO THE SIZE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE PDS. SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE THE PARIS VISION GOT TO IS THAT THE PRIMARY NODES BEING THE 380 AND THE TOLLWAY CORE THREE, ADDING THE TOLLWAY CORNERS AND THEN THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY BEING THE FRONTIER PARKWAY AND THE TOLLWAY. THOSE NEED TO BE OUR REGIONAL PRIMARY AND SECONDARY DEVELOPMENT AREAS. AND THEN AS WE WALK THROUGH, HE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SECONDARY AREAS AT THE FIRST STREET AND PROSPER TRAIL INTERSECTIONS, BECAUSE, HE SAID, THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT IS YOU CAN'T HAVE INTENSE COMMERCIAL GROWTH AT EACH ONE OF THOSE CORNERS. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. SO YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE FULL 54 YEARS TO GET FULLY ABSORBED. AND WHERE HE'S LEADING TO, JUST I'M GOING TO PARAPHRASE SOME OF THIS, WHERE HE'S LEADING TO IS WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THOSE TWO GATEWAYS FIRST AND DO INFILL ON AFTER FROM THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH FROM THOSE PARTICULAR THINGS. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HE TALKS ABOUT. OKAY. SO THIS IS AND I APOLOGIZE, I GOT BACK ON HIS GENERAL THOUGHTS. THE AND I'LL SKIP DOWN TO THE BOTTOM. IT'S HIS IMPLEMENTATION STEPS WERE TO HOLD BROKER DISCUSSIONS TO CONFIRM A PROOF OF CONCEPT. PREPARE A SMALL AREA PLAN THAT STARTS WITH THE EXISTING PDS. HENCE, OUR PD COMMITTEE PREPARE AN INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING PLAN BASED ON A PHASING CONCEPT AND HOLD PROPERTY OWNER DISCUSSIONS. REFINE EXISTING ZONING INTO ONE ENTIRE FRONTAGE DISTRICT WITH SUBJECTS SUBDISTRICTS. FOR THIS PARTICULAR VISION. SO THE COUNCIL AGREED AND WE ACTUALLY ENTERED INTO A CONSULTING CONTRACT WITH HIM TO DO THOSE FIVE PARTICULAR THINGS. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS SHARE WITH YOU AND WHY. WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? YOU ARE AWARE THAT THERE'S BEEN DIFFERENT TALKS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN IN GATES OF PROSPER, WITH POTENTIAL MULTIFAMILY OTHER RESTAURANTS. THERE'S A WHOLE VARIETY OF CONCEPTS THAT ARE GOING ON. WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE DO SOMETHING AT GATES OF PROSPER. IS IT IN CONFLICT WITH THIS PARTICULAR PLAN AND OR IS IT COMPLEMENTARY? SO I'M GOING TO READ A THE REASON BECAUSE HE WAS ASKED DIRECTLY IN THE MEETINGS WITH THE EDC, WOULD YOU ALLOW 600 MORE APARTMENTS IN THE GATES OF PROSPER? HIS ANSWER JUST OFF THE TOP WAS NO. WELL THEN HE WENT BACK AND HE CLARIFIED IT. SO I'M GOING TO READ. I'M GOING TO READ YOU GUYS. THIS PARTICULAR HIS COMMENTS AND HIS COMMENT IS WITH REGARD TO THE CURRENT REQUEST THE TOWN IS CONSIDERING FOR THE GATES OF PROSPER. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS APPROACHED YOU WITH A PROPOSAL TO ADD 600 MORE UNITS IN ORDER TO ADVANCE ADDITIONAL RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL IN HIS PLAN WITH THIS IN THE CONTEXT, I DEFINITELY RECOMMEND ADVANCING THIS REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CONVERSATIONS. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO DELIVER MORE RESTAURANTS, AND IF ADDING THESE UNITS UNITS ALLOWS US TO HAPPEN, IT IS WARRANTED. DURING THE LAST VISIONING DISCUSSION, I WAS ASKED WHETHER OR NOT ADDING THESE UNITS WAS BETTER THAN ADDING THEM CLOSER TO THE 380 AND DEA INTERSECTION. I RESPONDED THAT I SUPPORT GREATER DENSITY AT THAT INTERSECTION. TO HELP SET THE TONE FOR NEW OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER, IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO GAIN ADDITIONAL RESTAURANTS SOONER THAN LATER, ALONG WITH THE ATTRACTIVE OPEN SPACES THAT CAN ESTABLISH THE BASIS BEHIND THE REGIONAL DESTINATION DESCRIBED IN THE VISION DOCUMENT, IT IS CRITICAL THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT OCCUR WITHIN A THOUGHTFUL MASTER PLAN THAT PROVIDES CONNECTIVITY, WALKABILITY, AND USE THAN EXISTS TODAY. SO THAT'S A KEY THING TO ME. IT DOES NOT SEGREGATE THESE APARTMENTS AWAY FROM THE OTHER USES, AND USES A LAYOUT AND URBAN DESIGN BASED ON SOUND PLANNING PRINCIPLES FOR MIXED USE DISTRICTS. DOING THIS CORRECTLY CREATES A CONTINUED MIXED USE DESTINATION FOR THE TOWN REQUIRED FOR THE NEW OFFICE DEVELOPMENTS TO BE SUCCESSFUL. SO HE'S SAYING OKAY, PUTTING SO WELL THAT WOULD PUT 1200[00:20:03]
APARTMENTS IN THE GATES AREA AND THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ALSO SUPPORT PART OF THE OFFICE STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE TOLLWAY, AS WELL AS ALL THE RESTAURANT USES THAT WOULD COME IN AND ALONG WITH THAT. SO THE ITEM NUMBER ONE UNDER THE IMPLEMENTATION WAS HOLD BROKER DISCUSSIONS. AND I'M GOING TO READ THIS TO YOU. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T RELEASED IT TO THE COUNCIL YET. SO IT HASN'T BEEN IN DISCUSSION. SO HE HAS TALKED TO, I WILL TELL YOU, J SENIOR MANAGING DIRECTORS, A BUILDING OWNER REP, THE EXECUTIVE MANAGING DIRECTOR OF CUSHMAN AND WAKEFIELD, HERB WEITZMAN WITH WEITZMAN REALTY AND ROBERT MOORE, AS WELL AS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO HE'S GOT A WHOLE VARIETY OF PEOPLE THAT HE'S LED TO. AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED A FEW OF THESE THINGS AND HERE'S HERE'S WHAT SOME OF THEM ARE.THERE'S A FLIGHT TO QUALITY RIGHT NOW. THESE NEWER BUILDINGS ARE ALL LARGE WITH HIGH AMENITIES IN THEIR SITE LOCATIONS. THE FIELDS WEST AND THE PGA SITES HAVE SEEN SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST RECENTLY, WITH COMPANIES LOOKING TO EXPAND NORTHWARD. THERE IS NO SUPPLY IN THAT AREA, AND THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING TO ADVANCE WITH ALMOST NEAR SPECULATIVE OFFICE SPACE.
THIS IS A POSITIVE TREND FOR PROSPER POSITION. HALL OFFICE PARK IS POSITIONING BECOME MORE MULTI-TENANT WITH NEW USES SUCH AS MULTIFAMILY AND CONNECTIVITY TO RESTAURANTS BEING EXPLORED.
SO EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH HALL OFFICE PARK KNOCKING DOWN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS SO THEY COULD BUILD UP, BUILD AND CREATE THE CONNECTIVITY AND THE ARTS AREA THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
A SECOND, SECOND PERSON. THERE IS A CONTINUED FLIGHT TO QUALITY FOR OFFICE TENANTS LOOKING TO BE CLOSE TO GOOD HOUSING AND PROVIDE AN ENGAGING EXPERIENCE FOR ITS WORKERS. THIS IS WALKABILITY. PROXIMITY TO MANY SUCH AS RESTAURANTS, OPEN SPACE. ET CETERA. EXECUTIVE HOUSING IS A REAL DRAW FOR PRIVATELY HELD COMPANIES WITH PROSPEROUS, STRONG HOUSING STOCK. FOR SUCH PEOPLE, IT IS LIKELY THAT PRIVATE COMPANIES WILL BE THE MARKETPLACE FOR PROSPER. THE MARKET HAS MOVED FROM LARGE OFFICE BUILDINGS FOR LARGE TENANTS TO MIDSIZE BUILDINGS FOR SMALL AND MIDSIZE TENANTS. PGA DEVELOPMENT HAS MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS OFFERING WALKABILITY, AND ARE SMALLER BUILDINGS AT 125FT■!S. THIS IS A DIRECT COMPETITOR TO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS AROUND THE 380 VMT TOLLWAY. IT CURRENTLY HAS A 60% RATE OF PRE-LEASING ON ITS RETAIL IN 175 K OF OFFICE SPACE ALREADY COMMITTED. IN IMPLEMENTATION. IMPLEMENTATION.
IMPLEMENTATION, IMPLICATIONS. IMPLICATIONS FOR PROSPER. IT IS BELIEVED THAT THE WORKFORCE OF PROSPER AND MCKINNEY HAVE BEEN UNDERVALUED IN THE CALCULATION FOR NEW OFFICE SPACE. HOWEVER, UNDER NORMAL MARKET CONDITIONS, THIS WILL NOT RIPEN FOR 10 TO 15 YEARS. IT IS POSSIBLE WITH THE AN INCENTIVE PACKAGE THIS CAN BE CAPITALIZED ON. OKAY, SKIPPING OVER TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS A KIND OF A DIFFERENT THOUGHT THAT I HADN'T PROCESSED, AND IT SAID THAT THERE ARE SOME GAME CHANGERS OUT HERE THAT CAN CHANGE THINGS FOR PROSPER, SUCH AS THE IDEA OF MCKINNEY AIRPORT GETTING COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC AND ADDITIONAL CORPORATE FBOS. THIS COULD REPOSITION THE ENTIRE 380 CORRIDOR IN A WAY THAT SOUTHLAKE AND WESTLAKE HAVE BENEFITED FROM THEIR PROXIMITY TO DFW. 380 DNA WILL BECOME A CENTER, BUT WILL REQUIRE PATIENCE AND IF GUIDED BY STANDARD MARKET FORCES.
CONVENTIONAL WISDOM WISDOM WOULD BE FOR PROSPER TO BE PATIENT BUT PREPARE A STRONG AND MOSTLY MARKET VIABLE VISION SHOWING THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THEY WANT AND WHERE THEY WANT IT. THEN THE LAST PART OF THIS, THIS PARTICULAR BROKER, IS THE THREE MILES OF TOLLWAY FRONTAGE WILL TAKE AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO ABSORB GIVEN THE CURRENT CONDITIONS. PROSPER SHOULD FOCUS ON ITS KEY FRONT DOORS TO THE COMMUNITY FROM A USE AND DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, REGULATE LANDSCAPING AND QUALITY STANDARDS IN BETWEEN TO ALLOW FOR MORE IMMEDIATE USES TO TAKE PLACE. THE LAST ONE IS WEITZMAN AND HE SAYS, QUOTE, THE ECONOMICS OF THE LAND IN THIS QUARTER ARE TOO HOT AND EXPENSIVE PRESENTLY, WHERE THE FINANCING RATES ARE TOO HARD AS WELL AS HARD COSTS FOR BUILDINGS, LAND SALE PRICING IS TOO HIGH TO MAKE LARGE PROJECT PROJECTS WORK AT A CONVENTIONAL DENSITY. IT IS PRICED TO ACCOMMODATE HIGHER DENSITY THAT ARE FURTHER OUT IN THE TIME FRAME. PROSPER SHOULD STAY THE COURSE WITH THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT OF QUALITY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO ATTRACT A HEALTHY HOUSEHOLD DEMOGRAPHIC.
THERE IS MORE LAND THAN THE RESIDENTIAL BASE OF PROSPER NEEDS ALONG THE TOLLWAY THAT ACTUALLY WILL PROVIDE THE SERVICES AND AMENITIES DESIRED. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS, WHEN YOU PUT THEM OUT THERE, GIVE ME THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SELLING TO THE LARGE ENTITIES.
THESE ARE THE LARGE LAND BROKERS, LARGE TENANT REPS. THESE ARE THE FOLKS WHO ARE
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GOING TO BE OUR CUSTOMERS. AND SO THE ONLY REASON I WANT TO MAKE SURE I TELL YOU GUYS ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, I'LL RELEASE THIS WHOLE REPORT SINCE COUNCIL SEEN IT IS WE HAVE TO BE THINKING IN THE FUTURE LIKE THESE GUYS ARE THINKING. MOST OF THESE TALK ABOUT FLIGHT TO QUALITY 10 TO 15 YEARS OF ABSORPTION. SO IN A NEW STRIP CENTER ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE EVERYBODY'S LIFE. SO WE DO NEED TO BE PATIENT. WE NEED TO PLAN THIS IN A LONG TERM, THOUGHTFUL WAY. AND WHAT THE COUNCIL IS ENGAGING IN NOW IS THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME PAIN AND ANGST, I THINK, AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THIS. SO THIS IS KIND OF THE WARNING TO EVERYBODY THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OF THAT COMING ALONG THE WAY.BUT IF WE STAND IDLY BY, WE'RE GOING TO GET LIKE I THINK DAYMON MENTIONED, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET WHATEVER THEY THROW AT US. SO OR GLEN. SO YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT END OF THAT, AS WELL AS THE STAFF HERE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PREPARING FOR THE FUTURE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE, NOT FOR THE FUTURE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS US TO HAVE. SO THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT UNDERTAKING FOR THE COUNCIL TO DO. WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PNC, WITH THE EDC, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ATTRACT THE RIGHT PEOPLE. THE AIRPORT COMMENTS WERE ONE OF THE MAJOR ONES THAT I THOUGHT WERE VERY INTERESTING, BECAUSE IN ONE OF MY MEETINGS I SAID, I NEED SOME BIG IDEAS. WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG IDEA OUT THERE THAT SOMEBODY IS WAITING TO BRING. WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO IT YET. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHOULD BE A COUNCIL THING OR AN EDC THING, AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE ON THE BAC IT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT THESE THINGS ARE COMING AND WE NEED TO BE READY FOR IT. SO WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT. AND I'LL LET YOU GUYS ASK ANY QUESTIONS. I GUESS FIRST, I'LL JUST START OFF. THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY AND GIVING US THIS INSIGHT THAT'S VERY EDUCATIONAL AND INFORMATIVE, AND I APPRECIATE BEING ON THE FRONT END OF THIS AND KNOWING KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND A LOT TO DIGEST TO KNOW WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME AFTER WE GET THE PRESENTATION. THAT WILL BE I APPRECIATE THAT. I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. IS THIS A STANDARD? YES. WE WILL BE ABLE TO. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LAYING OUT THE GROUNDWORK. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.
YEAH. IS I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO BE SURPRISED WHEN YOU SEE IT COMING. SO I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU OVER THERE WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. HOBBY LOBBY HERE IS PART OF THE OVERLAY. YEAH, YEAH, BUT THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THAT EXISTING IS NOT SO MUCH OF THE. PRESTON OVER. YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WHOLE AREA KIND OF WORKS. IT'S THE GATES ALL WORKS AS ONE SHOULD BE WORKING AS ONE UNIT THERE. SO THE OTHER IS THE KEY THING OF FOCUSING ON THAT NORTHERN BOUNDARY AND THE, THE, THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY THERE. AND WE'VE SEEN THE AREAS WE'VE SEEN THE PROSPER ARTS. WHERE ARE THEY. THEY'RE THE MIDDLE SECTIONS THAT HE WAS SAYING.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE PRIMARIES FOR A LONG TIME DOWN THE ROAD. SO AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT HE IS HE IS CORRECT ON ALL THIS. I'M SAYING THIS IS THE BEST EXPERTISE THAT WE CAN GO OUT AND GET. IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY PLAN. THIS IS ONE TO WORK WITH. SO I THINK THIS IS A I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT WE HAVE THIS. I THINK IT'LL BE GREAT ONCE IT'S FINALIZED. AND I THINK THIS HELPS ME IN PARTICULAR. BUT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US, BECAUSE WHAT THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING IS THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CONTENTIOUS IN THE PAST. THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK UP, AND THERE'S GOOD REASON FOR THEM TO COME BACK UP. AND SO THEN INSTEAD OF DETERMINING ON ITS OWN, SHOULD WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 600 UNITS FOR WHATEVER THEY'RE LOOKING TO BUILD, WE CAN DETERMINE, DOES THIS FIT WITH THIS PLAN? SO WE'VE ALREADY AGREED THAT THERE IS A PLACE FOR IT. WE JUST NEED TO FIND THE RIGHT PLACE, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS FITS OUR VISION FOR IT. SO FAR, DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN WHAT I THINK WE'VE BEEN HAVING, RIGHT? WHICH IS WHETHER OR NOT. AND THAT COULD TAKE FOREVER. SO THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL, NOT JUST FOR THAT, BUT FOR SOME OTHER IMPORTANT ITEMS THAT WE DEBATE AT LENGTH HERE. SO I LOVE WHAT I'M SEEING AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING A LITTLE BIT MORE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE MORE SLIDES, BUT DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT. SENSE OF URGENCY OH, THE TIME FRAME FOR ALL THIS TO GET FINISHED IS I BELIEVE SEPTEMBER 9TH IS WHEN IT'S GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL. WE KIND OF COVERED ALL THOSE THINGS. SMALL AREA PLAN.
THOSE ARE THE FIVE ITEMS THAT COVERED. AND. YEAH. AND THEN AT THE END YOU GUYS WILL PRESENT BE
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PRESENTED TO P AND Z AND COUNCIL ALSO. THAT'S IT. HEY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM UP
[CONSENT AGENDA]
THIS EVENING. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING. WE HAVE ITEMS FOUR THROUGH FOUR H. DID ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WANT TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? AND IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOUR A THROUGH FOUR H. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COMMISSIONER CARSON. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND? MULTIPLE SECOND. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HARRIS MAY HAVE GOT IT FIRST. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HARRIS.ALL THOSE IN HOPE. THAT'S RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOUR A THROUGH FOUR H, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. 6 TO 0 IN FAVOR? WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SLIDES TO NEXT STATEMENT. CITIZEN COMMENTS. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC. HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM AND PRESENT IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAD ANY OF THOSE FORMS SUBMITTED THIS EVENING. DID WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK? OKAY, MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, REVIEW ACTIONS
[5. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.]
TAKEN BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND POSSIBLY DIRECT TOWN STAFF TO SCHEDULE TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. SO AT THE PREVIOUS TOWN COUNCIL MEETING ON THE EIGHTH, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA WAS THE NOTICE OF APPEALS THAT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY FOR FUTURE TOWN COUNCIL ITEMS NEXT WEEK ON THE 22ND. YOU HAVE THAT SGP ORDINANCE FOR CHICK FIL A THAT YOU GUYS, THAT TOWN COUNCIL HAS APPROVED AND THEN THE NOTICE OF APPEALS AS WELL. NOTHING ON THE REGULAR AGENDA FOR FUTURE PRNS MEETINGS. ON TUESDAY, MAY 6TH.THE CONSENT AGENDA IS STILL BEING DETERMINED. AS OF NOW, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WILL BE READY TO BE NOTICED THAT COULD CHANGE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOTHING IN THE QUEUE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE OUR UDC WORK SESSION AGAIN IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING OUR REGULAR MEETING. IT WILL BE MODULE ONE AND THAT'LL BE CHAPTERS FIVE, SIX AND 13 OF OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE. AND I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT THAT EMAIL WITH THOSE DOCUMENTS ALREADY. SO WE SHOULD HAVE AMPLE TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT. WAS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF TOWN STAFF FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT JUST MY COMMENTS? APPRECIATE THE FOOD PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND APPRECIATE ALL Y'ALL ARE DOING AND KEEPING US ORGANIZED. THOUGH WE HAD A VERY EFFICIENT WORK SESSION TODAY AND GOOD, GOOD MEETING THIS EVENING. GOOD TO KIND OF GET A PRECURSOR OF WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE ROAD.
WITH THAT, OUR NEXT ITEM, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE. YEAH.
GO AHEAD I'LL JUST GO ON RECORD. MAY 6TH I WILL BE ABSENT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DAVID, IF I COULD JUST GO OVER THIS UDC PROCESS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, I ACTUALLY HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED, I SAY WE HAVE RECEIVED THE NEXT MODULE ALREADY. SO WE'VE GOT THREE MORE CHAPTERS. AND I MENTIONED TO Y'ALL I DIDN'T WANT TO BURY YOU IN THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT'S THE NEXT COUPLE. THERE ARE A FEW OF THEM THAT ARE QUITE SICK.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO WHAT YOU NORMALLY SEE IN IN THE LINE OF BUSINESS. ONE OF THEM, FOR INSTANCE, IS BUILDING, AND THERE'S A FEW THINGS IN THERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO TWEAK AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT REDOING ALL THE BUILDING CODES. THOSE ARE ABOUT THIS THICK AND THEY'RE FINE. YOU KNOW, WE JUST ADOPTED THOSE RECENTLY. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. BUT JUST A FEW LITTLE PIECES. THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED. THEY'RE IN THERE. BUT WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING THESE MEETINGS EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS. AS FAR AS THE UDC. ONCE WE START ON THIS MAY 6TH, THEN EVERY MEETING AFTER THAT, WE'VE EXPANDED IT TO FOUR MODULES. I THINK WE ORIGINALLY TOLD YOU THERE WERE GOING TO BE THREE.
THE LAST ONE IS JUST ONE BY ITSELF, AND IT'S SORT OF A WRAP UP THAT'LL KIND OF TIE
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EVERYTHING TOGETHER SOMEWHERE DURING THE PROCESS. WE HAVE TO BRING THE COUNCIL INTO IT, AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE AT LEAST ONE, MAYBE TWO JOINT WORKSHOPS AFTER WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE FARTHER ALONG THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF ON SEVERAL OF THESE MODULES, COMMENTS FROM YOU. ALL, DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU ALL. AND THEN WE'LL START WITH THE COUNCIL, AND WE'LL PROBABLY DOUBLE THEM UP A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT PROCESS. NUMBER ONE, I DON'T THINK THEY NECESSARILY WANT TO I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'LL WANT TO GET DOWN QUITE IN DEPTH AS THE DETAILS. I THINK THEY'RE COUNTING ON US AND Y'ALL TO DO THAT, TO GET IT TO THEM. SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THAT WILL WILL MOVE FORWARD AND WANT TO CONTINUE THE SAME PROCESS. WE'LL HAVE A WORKSHOP OVER THE AGENDA ITEMS, THEN WE'LL HAVE THE REGULAR AGENDA, AND THEN WE'LL BREAK OR GO BACK AND DO THE WORK SESSIONS ON THESE, THESE UDCS. SO IF THAT WORKS FOR Y'ALL, THAT'S THAT'S THE PROCESS WE'LL KEEP DOING. AND IF IT GETS TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE ARE OVERLOADING, YOU JUST SAY SO AND WE'LL SLOW IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL GET A FEEL FOR HOW THIS FIRST ONE GOES. YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS YOU WANT TO HAVE. AND A LOT OF IT'S NOT A WHOLESALE CHANGE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE EVERY SINGLE WORD IN THERE IS A ALL THE WORDS ARE IMPORTANT. BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT. EVERYTHING IN THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE. YOU STILL MAY WANT TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY WITH WHAT IT IS, BUT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE BOTH WAYS. YOU KNOW, SCAN IT OR GET ENGROSSED IN IT TO SUGGEST CHANGES. AND YOU'LL SEE AFTER YOU GET INTO THIS FIRST GROUP WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, IT'LL MAKE MORE SENSE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, DAVID. YES, SIR. FROM OUR PDC MEETING, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT ABOUT THE UDC WORK SESSIONS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH TO PULL THAT OUT AND JUST RUN THAT AS A SEPARATE THING THAT WE THAT WE GET PRESENTED TO US. WHEN DO YOU SEE THAT COMING? YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT IN YOUR MAY MEETING RIGHT AFTER WE HAD THAT THAT PD MEETING AND YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, I ASKED SUZANNE IF SHE WOULD GO BACK TO OUR ORDINANCE AND TWEAK IT AND PUT THAT IN AND SO AS FAST AS WE CAN GET IT ADVERTISED AND GET IT ON AN AGENDA, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO NOTICE IT AND NOT NOT INDIVIDUAL NOTICES, BUT JUST THAT IT'S UPCOMING. AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. SO YOU SHOULD SEE IT. I'M HOPING THAT YOUR MAY 6TH MEETING, THAT MAY BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THAT WAS WAS TALKING ABOUT. WE WERE HOPING IT'S GOING TO BE THERE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IT'S GOING TO BE THERE YET. OKAY. BUT IT IS COMING. AND WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS YOU MAY REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DRIVE THRUS AND THE WAY IT GOT THROUGH THE SYSTEM. IT WAS DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS AND NOT DRIVE THRUS, WHICH MEANS THAT THEORETICALLY, YOU COULD HAVE A FAST FOOD PLACE NEXT TO A DRUG STORE, NEXT TO A BANK, NEXT TO. ACHIEVE THAT AS DRIVE THRUS. AND SO HAVING ALL THOSE TOGETHER WAS NOT EVERYBODY'S INTENT, I BELIEVE.AND SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO FIX THAT SO WE CAN BREAK THAT UP. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I HAVE AN EASY ONE. BUT KIND OF ALONG THOSE LINES OF CLEANUP, HAVE WE ADDRESSED BECAUSE I RECALL WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT HAVE WE ADDRESSED THE DENSITY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS MEDIUM DENSITY AND DISCREPANCY BETWEEN SQUARE FOOTAGE AND NUMBER OF UNITS PER ACRE AND WHATNOT HAVE REMIND ME IF WE'VE ALREADY CLEANED THAT UP, OR IS THAT IN THE QUEUE TO LOOK AT AND PROVIDE SOME CLARITY TO, OR IT'S SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE. IT HASN'T BEEN FIXED YET. WE ARE ADDRESSING IT. IT'S IN THE UDC. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A CHAPTER AND IT CORRECTS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DENSITIES NO MORE THAN THIS. BUT THEN WE HAVE LOT SIZES THAT ARE MINIMUM OF THAT. AND WHEN YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER THEY'RE NOT IN SYNC. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS AS WE'LL CHANGE THAT AND GIVE, I THINK MORE REALISTIC LOT SIZES.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHAT WE CALL LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE CALLS. AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO PUT LOT SIZES AND LEAVE IT AT THAT. AND THEN THE DENSITY WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF BASED ON WHAT THE LOT SIZES ARE. SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. GOOD. IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD. THANKS FOR THE MEETING. ITEM NUMBER SIX
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IS ADJOURNED. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. GLENN, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE YOUR GAME. DO I HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER JACKSON? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 6:43 P.M. THANK YOU. YOU GOTTA MAKE* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.