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          IT'S BEEN EXCITING OUT HERE FOR THE LAST HOUR. LET ME GET READY FOR THE FIREWORKS. ALL RIGHT, 
          [1. Call to Order / Roll Call]
FOLKS, HERE WE GO. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 4TH, 2025. 
          PROSPER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER AT 7 P.M. PLEASE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMISSIONER HARRIS, WHO INDICATED THAT HE WOULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING PRIOR TO THE MEETING. ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION. THOSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST COMPLETE THE PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM LOCATED ON THE TOWN WEBSITE OR IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. IF YOU'RE ATTENDING IN PERSON, PLEASE SUBMIT THIS FORM TO THE BOARD CHAIR A STAFF MEMBER PRIOR TO THE MEETING. WHEN CALLED UPON, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ITEM TWO THIS EVENING IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. EVERYONE WILL PLEASE RISE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. SO THIS EVENING, ITEM 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
THREE IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE ITEMS THREE A, THREE B, WHICH ARE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, THREE C, THREE D AND THREE E. SO DID ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WANT TO PULL ANYTHING THIS EVENING? PLEASE NOTE THAT IF WE DO PULL FROM THREE C, D OR E, THEY'RE ALL KIND OF CONNECTED. SO ALL THREE OF THOSE WILL GET PULLED AT THAT TIME. ANY MEMBERS WANT TO PULL ANYTHING I WANT TO PULL THREE C, D AND E OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER JACKSON INDICATED HE WANTS TO PULL ITEMS THREE C, THREE D AND THREE E FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS THREE A AND THREE B? SO MOVED. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HAMILTON. DO WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND MULTIPLE SECONDS. THANK COMMISSIONER CARSON I CALL IT FIRST. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THREE A AND THREE B, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          [Items 3c. - 3e.]
AND THE MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. SO TAKE IT BACK TO TOWN STAFF WITH ITEM THREE C. I KNOW. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. THESE ITEMS WERE A BANK AND RESTAURANT ON GATES PROSPECT BLOCK E LOTS THREE R1 AND THREE R2. THIS IS THE LOCATION. THIS IN BETWEEN CRAIG ROAD AND PRESTON ROAD. 
          PURPOSE OF THIS SITE PLAN IS TO CONSTRUCT TWO BUILDINGS TOTALING 16,600FT■!S AND ASSOCIATED PARKING. THERE'S A BANK WITH A DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S 5400FT■!S,S WELL AS THE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT AND RETAIL BUILDING FOR 11,200FT■!S. THE HISTORY FOR THIS PROJECT, THERE'S A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN THAT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO 3D AND JUST GO, OKAY. IS THE PREVIOUS APPROVED SITE PLAN THREE D IS THE REPLAT FOR THIS LOCATION? PURPOSES? REPLAT IS JUST TO SUBDIVIDE LOT THREE INTO TWO SEPARATE LOTS. AND ALSO WITH THIS SUBMITTAL IS THE FACADE PLAN, WHICH HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PNC AND TOWN COUNCIL AS WELL. SO ALL THREE OF THESE PROJECTS ARE ARE THE SAME SUBMITTAL AND I'M OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. SO I JUST I'VE JUST PULLED IT BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO VOICE MY CONCERN. RIGHT. AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. SO WE APPROVED ZONING SOME LAST YEAR SOMETIME AROUND NOT HAVING THESE DRIVE THRUS BACK TO BACK TO BACK. AND DURING THE PRESENTATION THAT WE APPROVED, WE SHOW WE'VE SHOWN THE KROGER WITH THE BANK, THE RESTAURANTS, THE URGENT CARE, ALL THESE THINGS THAT HAVE DRIVE THRUS. WHAT WE ENDED UP APPROVING WAS JUST A ZONING AROUND NOT HAVING RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THRUS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, IS WHAT. SO MY CONCERN IS STILL THAT YOU HAVE AT THE END OF THE STREET, DUTCH BROS. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DRIVE, DRIVE THROUGH FOR FOOD, A DRIVE THROUGH FOR THE BANK. THE CAR WASH HAS A DRIVE THROUGH AND THEN THE CAR WASH HAS ANOTHER DRIVE IN THING UP IN THERE FOR WHERE THEY DO STATE INSPECTIONS AND STUFF RIGHT NEXT TO THE 7-ELEVEN. CORRECT. SO ALL WE DID WAS CREATE THE SAME EXACT THING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID. AGAIN, FROM FROM 380 AND BY THE, 
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BY THE KROGER TO PUTTING THIS NOW ON PRESTON. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. SO I JUST I JUST FELT LIKE WE DIDN'T DO WE DIDN'T DO THE DUE DILIGENCE WITH ALL THE DRIVE THRUS BEING LINED UP TOGETHER. SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, WHICH I THINK IS UNDERSTOOD AND I THINK IT COULD HAVE BEEN THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ORDINANCE IF THERE WERE SPECIFIED. YOU KNOW, THIS PERTAINS STRICTLY TO RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS VERSUS, SAY, HAVING A BANK OR A PHARMACY ON THE SAME LOT. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE WHERE THE CONFUSION CAME FROM WITH THE ORDINANCE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT. SO THE ORDINANCE WAS JUST DRIVE THRUS FOR RESTAURANTS. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. IT WAS ALL THAT, ALL THE OTHER STUFF. YEAH. 
          SO JUST. I WOULD ARGUE WHEN THAT AMENDMENT CAME THROUGH, WE AT THE STAFF HAD BEEN GIVEN THE MISSION, SO TO SPEAK, TO COME UP WITH SOME ORDINANCES TO MAKE THE DRIVE THRUS AT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS MORE DIFFICULT TO SEE, SO TO SPEAK. IT CAME WITH NOT JUST THE LIMITS ON DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, BUT IT CAME THROUGH, YOU MAY RECALL, AS HAVING A BAILOUT LANE, SO YOU DIDN'T GET TRAPPED WHEN YOU WERE ORDERING SOMETHING. IT HAD EXTRA LANDSCAPING OF FIVE FOOT AND LANDSCAPE BARRIER, WHICH HADN'T BEEN AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT PREVIOUSLY. AND AGAIN, THAT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO HIDE THE DRIVE THRUS. AND THAT WAS THE FOCUS OF WHAT THAT AMENDMENT WAS. AND I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL PICTURES, AS COMMISSIONER JACKSON WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT SHOWED EXAMPLES OF WHAT OUR TAKE ON WHAT UNATTRACTIVE DRIVE THRUS LOOK LIKE VERSUS WHAT ATTRACTIVE ONES WOULD, WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THAT HAD BEEN WHAT THE FOCUS WAS AT THAT TIME. I DO NOT DISAGREE AT ALL WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER JACKSON IS SAYING, IS THAT THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN A STEP FURTHER. THERE WERE AT THE TIME, ONE, MAYBE TWO OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANTED TO DO THE SAME THING, ELIMINATE THE DRIVE THRUS IN BANKS AND IN DRUGSTORES AND THOSE OTHER THINGS. AND THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CONSENSUS, DIDN'T MAKE THE FINAL RESULT, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE THERE THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ENOUGH. AND IT WAS WORKSHOP WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL LEVEL, AND THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ENOUGH SUPPORT TO DO THAT WITH DRIVE THRUS ACROSS THE BOARD. AND SO THAT'S HOW WE WOUND UP WITH THE JUST THE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS. BUT BUT THE PICTURES THAT YOU WERE SHOWN, COMMISSIONER JACKSON'S CORRECT. THEY I HEARING HIM NOW I CAN SEE HOW THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AN ASSUMPTION OR OR TAKEN AS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT. AND THAT WAS I GUESS A MISTAKE ON OUR PART. BUT THIS LOT IS A LOT SMALLER THAN I'M SORRY. THIS LOT IS A LOT SMALLER THAN, LET'S SAY IT IS 380 KROGER LOT, WHICH IS HUGE. THIS IS A REAL SMALL SPACE WITH A LOT OF DRIVE THRUS. 
          YEAH. AND I GET THAT. WE DO ALL THE SURVEYS AND THE FIRE, FIRE FOLKS COME OUT. THEY CHECK TO MAKE SURE, BUT THEY DID THE SAME THING AT THE KROGER. AND PEOPLE STILL GOT HIT BY CARS. PEOPLE LOST LIVES OVER THERE. SO I JUST THIS IS REALLY TIGHT. AND SO IT IS. AND THERE ARE SITUATIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN YET, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN READY TO GET HERE YET. WHERE WE HAVE LARGER CENTERS, WHERE THERE ARE DRIVES THAT RUN ACROSS, NOT EVEN DRIVE THRUS, BUT DRIVES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FEET LONG, SIX, SEVEN, 800FT, WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET UP A PRETTY GOOD HEAD OF SPEED, WHERE YOU'VE GOT FOLKS COMING OUT OF THE BUSINESSES TO WALK ACROSS THIS SPEED RAIL AND TO GET TO THE PARKING, TO GET TO THEIR CAR. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT IN TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES, AND WE DON'T HAVE MECHANISMS RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING SOME OF THOSE AS TRYING TO CORRECT WHAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, COMMISSIONER JACKSON, BECAUSE IT IT DOES. PEOPLE ARE BUSY. THEY'RE ON THEIR PHONES, THEY'RE TEXTING. THEY'RE NOT PAYING 
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ATTENTION TO PEOPLE WALKING AROUND. AND THE MORE OPPORTUNITIES YOU HAVE FOR A MOVEMENT TURNING LEFT TURN AND RIGHT, SPEEDING UP ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS ALL COMPOUND THE PROBLEMS. AND WE'VE GOT TO WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ELIMINATE THOSE THINGS ENTIRELY YET. BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING THAT Y'ALL WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY SEE HERE IN THE NEXT. IT DOESN'T HELP THIS ONE, BUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS UDC PROCESS, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS ELIMINATING THE SHARED FIRE LANES, WHICH ELIMINATES LANDSCAPING. I MEAN, THERE'S A BUNCH OF LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. WHEN YOU ADD THEM ALL UP TOGETHER, THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE. BUT PICKING THEM OFF ONE AT A TIME, WE WIND UP KIND OF MISSING THE BOAT LIKE IS THE CASE HERE. IT BACKS UP TO THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I'M SORRY SIR. ON THE OTHER, ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THAT'S CORRECT. ELEMENTARY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN. AND THEY'RE BUILDING ANOTHER SCHOOL ON THE SAME SITE. SO THERE'LL BE TWO SCHOOLS RIGHT THERE. THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I TOTALLY, 100% AGREE, IT'S VERY INTERESTING AND IT'S A GOOD CATCH I. MY QUESTION WOULD BE DO WE NOT HAVE A REQUIREMENT ON WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH IS, REGARDLESS OF THE USE OF IT, IT'S RIGHT. YOU LITERALLY ARE EXITING ONTO WHERE THAT SHADED GRAY. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT ON THE PDF IT'S PRETTY PREVALENT. YOU PRETTY MUCH GOT A ROAD, AN INTERNAL ROAD THAT GOES RIGHT DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO SORT OF BUFFER OR MINIMUM KIND OF WIDTH FROM THE EXIT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH TO I KNOW YOU'RE EXITING ONTO A FIRE LANE, BUT YOU'RE ALSO EXITING INTO PARALLEL TRAFFIC, I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT. DOES THAT KIND OF MAKE SENSE? WHAT? I'M. AND MAYBE MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT KIND OF GOVERNS THAT. BUT THAT SEEMS A LITTLE STRANGE THAT IF YOU WERE LEAVING THAT BUILDING, REGARDLESS OF THE USE AND PULLING OUT YOUR TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THE MAIN, AND IT SEEMS PRETTY HAZARDOUS IS ALL, MAYBE WE COULD POTENTIALLY TABLE THIS ITEM AND HAVE YOU GUYS LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE CONCERNS WITH WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING NECESSARILY ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH. SO BUT THE THERE COULD BE SOME ISSUES WITH THE, THE FLOW. THAT'S ONE. COULD YOU, COULD YOU JUST SHOW US ON HERE? I'M HAVING A HARD TIME READING THE PLAT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH IS. SO CAN YOU SHOW US ON THE BANK WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PULL IN FROM THE ROAD? YES. THAT'S THE DOOR OF THE BANK OR THE BANK'S THE SMALL BUILDING WHERE THE BANK IS A SMALL BUILDING I HAVE CIRCLED OVER HERE. I'M SORRY. THE DRIVE THROUGH IS BEHIND THE BANK. THE DRIVE THROUGH IS BEHIND IT. EXITING OUT TO WHAT IS IT, CRAIG? THAT BAIL OUT OR WHATEVER? SO IS THERE A SO FOR THE BANK? IS THERE THE DO THEY STOP AT THE VACUUM THINGS. I MEAN IS THE IS THE DRIVE THROUGH OR ARE YOU PULLING UP TO WINDOWS INTO THE BUILDING OR BY THE BUILDING, OR ARE THEY OUT SEPARATED FROM THE BUILDING? I DON'T, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY OF THE NORMAL. BANK JUST HAS THE JUST THE ATM AND THE EXTRA LANE IS THE ESCAPE LANE AS FAR AS THE AS FAR AS THE TUBES AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE USED TO WITH CONVENTIONAL BANKS. THIS IS TOM, I BELIEVE IS A ATM MACHINE, BUT I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU JUST TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT A DRIVE THROUGH WITH THE TUBES OR ANYTHING. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT AND THEY'RE NOT PULLING UP TO TALK TO A PERSON AND A WINDOW. IT'S ONLY THROUGH THE ATM MACHINE. AN ATM MACHINE. AND WHERE IS THE ATM MACHINE ON THIS BUILDING, SIR? DO YOU KNOW. 
          BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN SEE IT ON THE FACADE PLAN. DO YOU HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH DRIVE THRUS ON THE EASTERN ELEVATION? YOU CAN'T BE THE SOUTHEAST ELEVATION, RIGHT? THE WEST SIDE, ISN'T IT? I THINK IT'S THE WEST SIDE. THE WEST SIDE. THIS PENINSULA HAS BEEN GIVING US PROBLEMS WITH THE WAYS. IT'S KIND OF AIMED UP TO THE. OH, YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S AT AN ANGLE. YES. SO THE EAST ELEVATION IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE LITTLE PINK DOWN HERE. OKAY. SO 
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THE EASTERN ELEVATION IS THE FRONT WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH BEING TECHNICALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE IN THERE AN ATM MACHINE OR A DRIVE. YEAH, A DRIVE OR ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT. IS THAT THE LITTLE AWNING STICKING OUT ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION SIDE? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE THE ATM MACHINE? BUT THEN THERE'S ONE ON THIS SIDE. THERE'S ONE THERE. OKAY. THAT'S GOT TO BE THAT AWNING. NO, THAT'S A DOOR. THE THIS IS THE DRIVE THROUGH. WOULDN'T BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT. IT WOULD BE ON THE NORTH WEST SIDE. THAT'S HOW I INTERPRET IT. CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SITE BASED ON THE PLAT? THE ADDRESS? IT'S HARD TO SEE ON HERE, BUT IT SAYS FIVE STACKING SPACES ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE. SO THERE IS NO PILING. SO. THAT'S A QUESTION. THERE IS NO ONE TAKING IN THE WHOLE ISLAND WITH A BAILOUT LINE. SO THERE'S NO. SO THEY'RE ONLY PULLING IN NEXT TO THE BUILDING TO GO TO AN ATM MACHINE. YES. AND WE DON'T KNOW. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ATM MACHINE IS ON THAT DRAWING RIGHT THERE. SO WE MACHINE. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THE ATM MACHINE IS INTENDED TO SIT RIGHT HERE BEHIND THE BUILDING. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE IT ON THE FACADE PLAN. THERE'S NO TELLER, THERE'S NO WINDOW. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A MACHINE THAT SITS RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF THIS BUILDING ON THE. ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS PLANNED NORTH. 
          GET OUT OF YOUR CAR AND WALK OVER TO THE ATM. SO, YES. SO YOU'D BE COMING FROM THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S COMING INTO YOUR PASSENGERS. UNLESS YOU UNLESS YOU SHOW THEM. HOW ARE THOSE STACKING SPACES? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. HOW DO THEY GET THERE. BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAR. YES. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT WAS ALL THAT WE WERE GIVEN. THEY NEVER INDICATED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING THERE. SO I THINK THE CONFUSION, THE CONFUSION OF THE, OF THE DRAWINGS IS ENOUGH TO TABLE THIS FOR ANOTHER REASON. GET THEM, GET THEM TO ACTUALLY SHOW US SOMETHING A LITTLE BETTER. I WOULD AGREE, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE AGENDA ITEM THREE, C, D AND E TO HAVE FURTHER FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK FURTHER AT THE STACKING LANDSCAPING, LAYING ATM, ALL OF IT. I THINK THERE'S JUST WAY TOO MANY QUESTIONS TO PASS THIS THROUGH. MAY I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? WHAT WAS THE CONCERN EXACTLY ON THE DRIVE THROUGH ON ON THE DRIVE THROUGH ON THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS THE LARGER BUILDING. SO THE SERVER IS HERE. I GOT I WAS LOOKING AT THIS ONE MORE THAN THE REST. IF YOUR TRAFFIC IS COMING HERE, IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE EXITING INTO AN INTERSECTION. SO I WAS JUST I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED BY HER OR WHATEVER OUR STANDARDS ARE. IT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE AN EXIT INTO A USEFULNESS FROM A ROAD. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, YES. IF IT WAS LIKE HERE, YOU'D EXIT ONTO A FIRE LANE. YOU'D GO DOWN YOUR SAFE. WHATEVER. HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO COME OUT HERE. 
          WHAT IF A CAR IS COMING HERE? YOU CAN'T SEE THEM. I JUST WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE EXIT TO A ROAD OR SOMETHING. AND. AND IT'S MAYBE MISAPPLIED, BUT. I HAVE A MOTION IF ANYONE WANTS TO SECOND MOTION OR NOT. NO, I'VE ACKNOWLEDGED YOUR MOTION. 
          ACKNOWLEDGING IT NOW, BUT THEY'LL HAVE SOME COMMENTS. SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON THE MOTION? SO WE HAVE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMILTON A TABLE ITEMS THREE C, THREE D AND THREE E TO THE NEXT MEETING I ASSUME. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION SECOND. SO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CARSON OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT TO THE FLOOR. YES. MAY I JUST CLARIFY. I'M NOT CLARIFY, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF TABLING, ASSUMING WE VOTE TO TABLE, I OBVIOUSLY WE WANT SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THESE ISSUES, BUT I THINK THIS PARTICULAR PLAT THAT'S BEFORE US HAS ALL THE CONTOUR LINES AND ALL SORTS OF STUFF. IT'S A VERY TO ME, IT'S A VERY CONFUSING PLACE. IT'S ONE OF THE MORE CONFUSING PLATS I'VE SEEN, AND I FOR THESE TO HAVE A BETTER SOME KIND OF A SEPARATE DRAWING THAT SHOWS US MORE SIMPLY WHERE THE ROADS ARE. THE STACKING LANES FOR THE DRIVE THRUS, WHERE'S, WHERE ARE THEY STOPPING AT ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SOMETHING IN A LITTLE CLEARER FORMAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, BECAUSE THAT'S THE CONCERNS THAT WE'RE EXPRESSING HERE. VERY TIGHT PLAT. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT'S WHY WE'RE TABLING I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT. SO HAVE THAT MOTION A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING THREE C, THREE D AND THREE E TO THE NEXT MEETING PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THE MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. AND WE'LL REVEAL THE NEXT TIME. IS 
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THAT ALRIGHT? THANK YOU I THINK. CAN I ADD A CLARIFYING COMMENT UNRELATED TO THE MOTION, BUT YOU CAN ADD IT. YEAH. NO, IT'S NOT ABOUT, I THINK, TO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE PLAT ISN'T WHAT COMMISSIONER BLANCHARD'S REFERRING TO. IT'S THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE COMMENTING. YES, I SAID PLAT. I MEANT YEAH, NO NO NO I YEAH THE SITE PLAN IS SITE PLAN. YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT CITIZEN COMMENTS. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC. HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM AND PRESENT IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE 
          [4. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.]
IN ATTENDANCE TO MAKE A COMMENT THIS EVENING, SO WE'LL MOVE TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FOUR REVIEW ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND POSSIBLY DIRECT TOWN STAFF TO SCHEDULE TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING. COMMISSIONERS. THE PREVIOUS TOWN COUNCIL ITEMS. THIS WOULD BE THE TUESDAY, JANUARY 28TH MEETING. THE NOTICE OF APPEALS DID GO BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND THE ITEM WAS APPEALED AND IS UNDER REVIEW. IT WAS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR THE REGULAR AGENDA. THERE'S A ZONING CASE AT COLEMAN STREET THAT WAS APPROVED. FUTURE TOWN COUNCIL ITEMS WOULD BE FOR THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE THE NOTICE OF APPEALS AND THE ORDINANCE FOR THAT SAME PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED LAST WEEK, FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION NEXT. NEXT COMMISSION MEETING. WE'RE DETERMINING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE PLANS ARE STILL UNDER REVIEW. AND SO WE'LL DETERMINE HOW MANY WILL BE ON THAT AGENDA. AND FOR THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS, WE HAVE TWO ZONING CASES THAT ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE NOTICED THIS WEEK. PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR TOWNHOMES ON NORTH OF RICHLAND, EAST OF LASEMA. AND A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR CHICK FIL A ON DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY JUST SOUTH OF FRONTIER IS THE 380 TOWNHOMES. THAT'S THE. WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, CORRECT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NORTH OF RICHLAND. NO. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS. ARE THESE ACTUALLY TOWNHOMES OR ARE THESE JUST APARTMENTS FOR SALE? TOWNHOMES, APARTMENT APARTMENTS FOR RENT. TOWNHOMES. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? REGARDING THE WORK SESSION WE HAD EARLIER THIS EVENING? I DON'T FORESEE THERE WILL BE ANY ACTION BY NEXT MEETING REGARDING THAT. OR DO WE? I GUESS I'M ASKING. YEAH. THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING READY. WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND GET SOME INFORMATION TO YOU BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, JUST SO YOU'LL HAVE IT TO LOOK AT IT. BUT THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING AT YOUR NEXT MEETING FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING WITH BAD ENGLISH. BUT YOU GET THE POINT. THERE WON'T BE ANY ACTION REQUIRED OR ANY OF THAT. IT'LL BE THE FOLLOWING MEETING BEFORE YOU'LL YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, MY PLAN FOR THE MOMENT IS TO HAVE AN ITEM ON EACH AGENDA FOR PROBABLY THE NEXT 3 OR 4 MEETINGS TO, AS WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING AND THEN BURYING YOU WITH A BUNCH OF STUFF SO WE CAN CAN SPREAD IT OUT THAT WAY. QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU ALL IS WE CAN DO THAT AS WORKSHOP ITEMS, OR WE CAN DO THAT AS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM. AND IF WE DO A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE MY SUGGESTION, I'M THINKING PROBABLY SHOULD PUT IT AT THE END, DEPENDING UPON WHAT WE HAVE IN THE WAY OF ACTION, BECAUSE THAT WAY IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE TIME TO DISCUSS, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING ANTSY SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE. WE CAN STILL DO A SET WORKSHOP AT THE BEGINNING, WHERE WE CAN MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO EAT DURING THAT TIME. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT FOR SOME OF YOU TO GET HERE AT FIVE THAN OTHERS, SO WE CAN SPEND THAT TIME GETTING READY, SO TO SPEAK. 
          WE CAN STILL TALK ABOUT WHATEVER WE HAVE. IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA OR, EXCUSE ME, ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS, OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'D STILL HAVE THE ACTUAL ITEM ITSELF ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, IF THAT WORKS FOR Y'ALL, BECAUSE THOSE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY MAY. IT'S HARD TO SAY NOT 
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KNOWING WHAT THE OTHER ITEMS MIGHT BE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD EASILY BE 30, 45 MINUTES AS FAR AS THE UDC ITEMS THAT ARE THERE. SO DEPENDING UPON WHAT ELSE IS ON THE AGENDA, IT MIGHT BE HOUR AND A HALF, TWO HOUR MEETINGS. AND WE'RE REALLY NOT USED TO HAVING TWO HOUR MEETINGS AT P AND Z, SO WE'D RATHER MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU'RE READY FOR IT AT THE BEGINNING, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO SCHEDULE IT EARLY AND WORK AROUND IT, BECAUSE THAT JUST SEEMS TO NOT WORK AS WELL. 
          WE CAN TRY IT. AND IF Y'ALL DON'T LIKE IT OR IT DOESN'T WORK OR IT WORKS PERFECT, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST IT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING FOR NOW. I THINK MY ONLY REQUEST WOULD BE PLEASE SEND IT AHEAD OF TIME, MORE THAN WE CAN SEE IT. MORE THAN A COUPLE DAYS? ABSOLUTELY. AND WE WILL GET THE PRESENTATION SENT OUT TO YOU IN THE MORNING. WE'VE GOT IT RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SENDING AN EMAIL, AND IN THAT WAY I'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK THROUGH IT. WE DON'T PARTICULARLY NEED ANYTHING FROM IT. IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY. IF YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH IT. YOU SEE SOMETHING CATCHES YOUR EYE. YOU GOT A QUESTION? JOT IT DOWN. 
          SEND US AN EMAIL. YOU GOT A COMMENT? SAME THING, BUT DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING JUST TO SEND SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL YOU GET THAT FIRST PACKET OF INFORMATION, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE TOO. COMMISSIONER CARSON, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT, BUT LIKE, AS FAR AS THAT MEETING TODAY, MY PREFERENCE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO GET THAT AHEAD OF TIME. I KNOW THAT MIGHT BE LIKE, THE PRESENTER MIGHT THINK THAT'S KIND OF STEALING THEIR THUNDER, BUT I WOULD HAVE RATHER READ THROUGH IT. HAD MY QUESTIONS READY IN MY MIND THAT I'M LISTENING FOR THE ANSWERS TO, RATHER THAN KIND OF TRYING TO DEVELOP EVERYTHING AS IT'S AS IT'S HAPPENING. AND NORMALLY I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION, WE WERE STILL TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THIS LATE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, AND IT PROBABLY WASN'T FINISHED UNTIL FIRST THING THIS MORNING, SO THERE WOULDN'T REALLY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING TO SEND. AND IT WASN'T OUR PRESENTATION. SO TYPICALLY WHEN IT'S OURS, YOU GET THEM, YOU GET THE POWERPOINTS, YOU GET EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IF IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DOING, BUT WHEN IT'S A CONSULTANT COMING IN, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT AT OUR DISPOSAL RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY USUALLY ARE WORKING ON IT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE. WE HAVE IT, WE SEND IT, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT. SO THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T GET IT. ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I APPRECIATE IT I WON'T BE AT THIS MEETING. OKAY. WON'T BE WHICH MEETING? THIS 18TH. I'LL BE ON VACATION. DID YOU GET OUR PERMISSION? SORRY. WE DO ALSO HAVE A MEETING OVER PROSPER ISD SPRING BREAK IN MARCH AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO. I WILL SCHEDULE AROUND IT, BUT IF THERE'S NO MEETING, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE END OF THE WORLD. THAT'S OUR SECOND MEETING IN MARCH, ISN'T IT? YEAH. OKAY. WELL, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, SO WE'LL PUT THAT KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT. WE MAY NEED TO DO SOME SCHEDULING. THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD I'M NOT I NEED TO WRAP UP BECAUSE I'VE GOT ANOTHER COMMITMENT HERE. BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVE MIXED THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS UNIFORM UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE AS FAR AS DOING IT IN THIS SESSION VERSUS A WORKSHOP. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT NOW. I SEE PROS AND CONS BOTH WAYS. I KNOW THE SCHEDULING AT THE 5:00 AND ALL THAT, AND A HARD DEADLINE TO COME BACK IN HERE FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING. BUT THE CONTENT TO ME SEEMS TO LEND ITSELF TO BE MORE WORKSHOP ORIENTED, AT LEAST IN THE FIRST FEW MEETINGS. I WOULD THINK, VERSUS BEING OUT HERE AND A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMALIZED, I GUESS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT. I'LL JUST PUT IT OUT THERE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT AND GO FROM THERE. SO THAT'S IT AND WE'RE FINE. WE'RE HERE ANYWAY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. YOU KNOW, IT MATTERS NOT TO US JUST TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE Y'ALL'S SCHEDULE. AND MAYBE WE TRY IT WITH THE WORKSHOP THE FIRST TIME. I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO POST THAT MEETING. AND WE KIND OF HEDGE OUR BETS THERE ON WHERE WE THINK THAT MEETING IS GOING TO END THE REGULAR MEETING AND THEN GO STRAIGHT TO WORKSHOP. IF WE CAN'T GET HERE BY, YOU KNOW, FIVE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD LIMIT THAT MEETING TO A ONE HOUR STOP, I THINK. SO, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. WE CAN I KIND OF LIKE THAT IDEA. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO DOING IT AFTER. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IT'S ORGANIZED AND PREPARED BECAUSE TODAY DID NOT FEEL VERY. YOU TRY TO DO A GREAT JOB PUTTING A BOW ON IT AT THE END, BUT THE FIRST 45 MINUTES WAS NOT WAS NOT SUPER BENEFICIAL TO OUR GROUP. SO I THINK IF YOU CAN HELP, I LIKE WHAT CHAIR JUST SAID OF DOING IT. MAYBE AFTER IF WE CAN POST IT, THAT'S FINE. 
          PERFECTLY FINE. AND WE CAN STILL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REFRESHMENTS OR WHATEVER, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO POST IT AS SUCH THAT IF WE. YEAH, IF WE GO LONG IN OUR FIRST MEETING, IF WE POST 
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IT EARLY ENOUGH, IT'S A MOOT POINT. RIGHT. BUT IF, IF WE PUT, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT HAVE ANY DEAD TIME ONCE WE WRAP UP HERE. SO IT'S KIND OF AND THAT'S KNOWING WHAT, HOW LONG THAT MEETING IS GOING TO BE LIKE IF IT WAS THIS NEXT MEETING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT TO DO OUR BEST GUESS ON THAT. BUT SURE. AND WE'RE FINE WITH DOING THAT. SO WE CAN CAN THIS THAT FIRST ONE IF YOU WILL. IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF THE GUINEA PIG AND YOU'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT. AND WE'LL WE'LL POST IT WHERE WE CAN DO IT BOTH WAYS. WE'LL HAVE THE EARLY WORKSHOP FOR WHATEVER. AND YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT ANYTHING, WE DON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE REGULAR MEETING AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE WORKSHOP AT THE END AND WE'LL JUST SEE HOW IT WORKS. AND IF THAT'S A FLOW THAT, THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE OKAY, THEN WE'LL JUST SCHEDULE IT LIKE THAT. IF IT DOESN'T WORK ALL THAT WELL, WE'LL CHANGE IT. SO IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU ALL BECAUSE WE'RE HERE. YOU ALL HAVE TO GET HERE. SO WELL, WORK ON THAT AND REALIZE THIS IS A KICKOFF MEETING TONIGHT TOO. AND SO I KNOW MOVING FORWARD WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE STUFF TO WORK ON. SO APPRECIATE IT. SURE. COMMISSIONER HAMILTON, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? ITEM NUMBER FIVE ADJOURNMENT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. WE ADJOURN. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND. SO MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON TO ADJOURN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THE MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. WE
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.