[1. Call to Order / Roll Call.]
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OK? THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE TUESDAY. MARCH, 1920 24 PROSPER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. MEETING IS CALLED ORDER AT 6:03 P.M. ALL COMMISSIONERS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMISSIONER JACKSON OR PRESENT THIS EVENING, COMMISSIONER JACKSON HAD INDICATED HE HAD A FAMILY OF TO ATTEND TO THIS EVENING WILL NOT BE PRESENT. FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION, THOSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST COMPLETE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. REQUEST FORM OK ON THE TOWN WEBSITE OR COUNCIL CHAMBERS. IF YOU'RE ATTENDING IN PERSON, PLEASE SUBMIT THIS FORM TO THE BOARD CHAIR OR A STAFF MEMBER PRIOR TO THE MEETING. WHEN CALLED UPON, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
ITEM NUMBER THREE THIS EVENING IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. THIS EVENING ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE ITEMS. THREE A THREE B, THREE C 3D AND THREE E. ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO PULL ANYTHING OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING? THREE. IS IT? 3D COMMISSIONER, BLAN SAID, WANTS TO PULL THREE THE FROM THE CONCERN AGENDA THIS EVENING, ANY OTHERS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE REMAINING ITEMS FOR APPROVAL. NOT SO LET'S JUST PULL THREE YEAH. YEAH. SO ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A THREE A THROUGH C AT THIS POINT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE CONSENT. ADJOURN ITEMS. THREE A B AND C. MR HAMILTON A MOTION WE HAVE A SECOND FROM MR REEVES, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING CONTINGENT ITEMS 3833 C, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. SO BRING IT BACK TO STAFF TO REVIEW ITEM 3D. OK UM, GOOD EVENING[3d. Consider and act upon a request for a Site Plan for an Elementary School on Prosper Elementary School No. 19, Block A, Lot 1, on 13.0± acres, located on the north side of Bancroft Drive and 380± feet west of Shawnee Trail. (DEVAPP-23-0195)]
COMMISSION. UH ITEM 3D IS A SITE PLAN FOR PROSPER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NUMBER 19 AS YOU CAN SEE, RIGHT HERE. UM THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR IT. AND THE PURPOSE IS TO CONSTRUCT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THAT IS APPROXIMATELY, UH, 96,113 SQUARE FEET. UM AND I WILL NOW TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT ALL CHOKED UP. UM ON 3D. YOU COULD LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN. I'M JUST MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO THE, UH THE ENTRANCE POINT FOR THE AND THE FRONT OFF OF VAN CROFT. AND CURIOUS WHY IT COULDN'T BE MOVED FURTHER TO THE LEFT TO ALLOW FOR MORE STACKING.OF CARS OFF OF THE STREET OFF OF BANCROFT DRIVE AND MORE INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S MY QUESTION AND CONCERN. OK UM, WE DO HAVE THE ENGINEER OF THIS PROJECT HERE, SO I WILL LET HIM COME UP AND ANSWER THAT. GOOD EVENING. MIKE WILSON, UH TALLA PERKINS, REPRESENTATIVE FOR PROSPER. ISD ADDRESS IS 1569 SOO TRAIL IN WEATHERFORD, TEXAS. UM THE DISTRICT LIKES TO KEEP THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT, SEPARATED BY A CERTAIN DISTANCE TO ALLOW FOR INGRESS EGRESS MOVEMENTS WE FOUND WHEN WE STACK THEM CLOSE TOGETHER A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL STACK UP AND THEY'LL PREVENT TURNING MOVEMENTS IN AND OUT. IF I CAN. I'LL KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE QUEUING OF THIS WHOLE PROPERTY OF HOW PROSPEROUS DOES THIS SO DRIVE A IN THE FRONT IS FOR PARENTS THAT BRING THEIR STUDENTS OUTSIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO OUTSIDE OF LEGACY GARDENS, THEY WOULD USE THE FRONT LOOP DRIVE AND THEY WOULD QUEUE. ALL THE WAY TO CAN I POINT ON THIS OR CAN I TOUCH I CAN DO THIS RIGHT HERE. NO. THERE IT IS. LET'S SEE. AND YOU SEE THAT RIGHT THERE, SO THEY WILL QUEUE UP TO THAT POINT RIGHT THERE. YEAH. PERFECT THANK YOU. SO THAT'S THE FRONT CUE.
THE BACK QUEUE IS DUAL PURPOSE. IT'S BUSES AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARENTS. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THE
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BUSES WILL COME IN A LONG DRIVE, B. THEY WILL GET ALL THE WAY QUEUED UP. TO RIGHT HERE. AND THEY'LL HAVE FOUR OR FIVE BUSES RIGHT IN HERE, AND THEY WILL STOP THE PARENTS RIGHT BACK HERE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARENTS ONCE THE BUSES LOAD AND LEAVE, THEN THEY WILL OPEN THIS BACK WITH UP AS WELL FOR PARENTS STOCKING. I WAS UM, I MEAN IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS I. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING STACKING HAPPENING ON BANCROFT DRIVE. AND UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WHENEVER IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH PROPERTY REALLY, TO GET INCREASE, STACKING IN THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY, SO THAT'S QUITE A LONG DISTANCE FROM IN THE FRONT ON BANCROFT, THOSE TWO ENTRANCES AND EXIT AND THE OTHER THING WE DO. JUST A POINT OF I THINK THE MS TURNED UP LIKE THEY ARE MOST. EVEN SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE USUALLY THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY LOUD. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE TURNED DOWN OR. SO THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT IS IT IS 36 FT WIDE DRIVE LANES. TO ALLOW HISTORICALLY, THEY'VE DONE 24. BUT BECAUSE OF THE UH, THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF QUEUING ON THIS ONE IN THE EAST WEST DIRECTION. WE ADDED THAT THIRD LANE IN THERE. TO ACCOUNT FOR ADDITIONAL QUEUING. OH, THERE'S A THIRD LINE. YES THE SHADED AREA YOU SEE IS THE ACTUAL FIRE LANE. BUT THERE'S A LANE OUTSIDE OF THAT AS WELL. ALL RIGHT, AND HOW MANY SCHOOLS HAVE THAT THIRD LANE? THERE'S NOT MANY PROSPEROUS SCHOOLS. IS THIS THE ONE OF THE FIRST THIS IS PROBABLY THE THIRD ONE. AND TWO OF THOSE ARE IN SALANA, THOUGH SALANA PROPER.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. UH, ON 3D AND E. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF WE'RE TO THAT POINT. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 3D AND 3D. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CARSON ON 3D AND THREE E. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HAMILTON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING CONSIDER ADS 3D AND 3D. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. AND THE MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. NEXT UP CITIZEN COMMENTS. I THANK OUR MARKS FOR A LITTLE A LITTLE LOUDER NOW. THANK YOU. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC. HOWEVER THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT , REQUEST FORM AND PRESENT IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
DID WE HAVE ANY OF THESE COMMENTS SUBMITTED BY CHANCE THAT ANYONE'S AWARE OF OUTSIDE OF THIS AGENDA TONIGHT? ONE OF THE PROJECTS, SO WE'LL CATCH THAT HERE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING HERE MOMENTARILY. IF NOT ON THIS. LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS EVENING. AND
[4. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request to rezone 0.3± acres on Prosper Central Addition, Block 1, Lot 1 from Single Family-15 to Planned Development–Downtown Office to allow multifamily, office, and retail uses. (ZONE23-0029)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A REQUEST TO REZONE 0.3 ACRES ON PROSPEROUS CENTRAL EDITION BLOCK ONE. LOT ONE FROM SINGLE FAMILY 15 TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN OFFICE. OUT MULTIFAMILY OFFICE AND RETAIL USES. LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF COLEMAN STREET AND SIXTH STREET. THIS IS CASE ZONE DASH 23. DASH 0029 OK, UH SO THIS ITEM, UH, IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO ALLOW FOR A MIXED USE BUILDING, UH, WITH MULTIFAMILY OFFICE AND RETAIL. UH, THE BASE ZONING WILL BE DOWNTOWN OFFICE. IF YOU REMEMBER LAST TIME THIS WAS TABLED, UH, FROM THE LAST MEETING, AND IT'S BACK BEFORE YOU, UM HERE IS THE SITE LAYOUT. UM AND SO FOR THE PERMITTED USES, UM THIS WAS A POINT OF EMPHASIS LAST TIME. UM AND SO WE REMOVED RETAIL STORES AND, UM RETAIL STORES AND SHOPS AND JUST KIND OF LIST IT OUT THE USES SO YOU CAN SEE THE USES ALLOWED BY RIGHT HERE. UM WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THOSE. YOU CAN JUST READ THOSE, UM AND THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE, THOSE CONTINUED UM, AND THEN ALSO ADDED ANOTHER STIPULATION AT THE BOTTOM THAT JUST SAYS ANY SIMILAR USES, AS DETERMINED BY THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO, UM GIVES DAVID THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE IF THE USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROPERTY INSTEAD OF BRINGING THEM BACK TO THE PROCESS AGAIN. UH, FOR THE PARKING, UM, REQUIRED PARKING FOR MULTIFAMILY TWO SPACES PER UNIT. UH, FOR OFFICE. IT'S ONE[00:10:03]
SPACE PER 350 FOR RETAIL. IT'S UH, ONE SPACE PER 250 SQUARE FEET. UH IN TOTAL, UM THEY ARE PROVIDING 20 SPACES ONLY 18 ARE REQUIRED, UM, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY AGAIN, SO IT'S FOUR UNITS. EIGHT SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED. UM AND THERE'S 2450 SQUARE FEET LEFT OF EITHER OFFICE OR RETAIL SPACE. UM, SINCE RETAIL IS THE MORE INTENSIVE USE I JUST TOOK WITH THE RATIO WOULD BE FOR THAT. UM AND THEY'RE JUST 10 SPACES REQUIRED IF IT FULLY DEVELOPED AS RETAIL. UM FOR LANDSCAPING. UH, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES A 5 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON EACH PROPERTY LINE, UH, WITH AN ORNAMENTAL TREE AND SHRUB 15 LINEAR FEET. UH THEY ARE PROVIDING A 15 FT. I KNOW 15, A 5 FT LANDSCAPE, BUT FOR IN EACH PROPERTY LINE, UM, GROUND COVER ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES. UM AND THEN ORNAMENTAL TREES AND SHRUBS ALONG, UM COLEMAN AND JUST ORNAMENTAL TREES ALONG, UM, THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ON THE WEST. ON THE EAST. EXCUSE ME. THAT'S KIND OF THE CHART DESCRIBING THAT AND HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE LANDSCAPING PROPOSAL SO AGAINST ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE ORNAMENTAL TREES AND THEN ON THE COLEMAN SIDE, THE TREES AND THEN, UM THE SHRUBS. SO FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE RECOMMENDS DOWNTOWN OFFICE. UH, THE BUILDING MATERIAL WOULD BE 92% MASONRY, EXCLUDING GLAZING. UH, 80% OF THAT WOULD BE BRICK 12% OF THAT WILL BE STONE. UH, HERE ELEVATIONS OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE ALSO FROM LAST TIME, UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THE GARAGES ARE ENCLOSED AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE EXHIBIT HERE. UM, IT SHOWS THE GARAGE DOOR THERE. JUST MORE ELEVATIONS. IN CONCLUSION FOR THIS CASE I NOTICES WERE SENT OUT. UH FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 23RD. WE DID RECEIVE ONE EMAIL IN OPPOSITION ON MONDAY AFTER THE PACKET HAD BEEN SENT OUT WHAT YOU GUYS SAW IN THE WORK SESSION? UM AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS CASE, AND I WILL NOW TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE FOR ME. SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE BECAUSE WE DID HEAR THIS CASE, OUR LAST MEETING, SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO CARIA THOSE RETAIL USES IT WILL BE. SUBJECT TO YOUR APPROVAL. IF SOMETHING'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, DAVID, BUT IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THESE USES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED A LITTLE MORE DEFINITION ON LAST TIME, I THINK SO. UH, DID ANYONE, UH, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THAT? YES, SIR. NOT THAT OKAY? ST SECOND ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS DOWNTOWN. UM TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I ONLY KNOW OF THE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ONE THAT HAS THE MIXED USE COMBINATION OF THE YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING LIKE THAT, DAVID I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY. WE'VE TALKED TO I'LL SAY SEVERAL , UM PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR. BUT I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY BETTER CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE RIGHT NOW. FOR IT IS, UM FOR THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THAT MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO LIVE WORK AND PLAY IN THE SAME AREA AND IT'S PRETTY COMMON IN OLDER DOWNTOWN. SO A LOT OF THE ONES UP HERE IN THE METROPLEX AREA, GRAND PRAIRIE AND, UH, PLANO. EXCUSE ME. SEVERAL OF THE UM, SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE HAVE DONE THAT, AS THEY'VE CAN'T DO THIS REDEVELOPMENT RENAISSANCE OF THE OLDER AND QUOTE, NEWER DOWNTOWN MIX SO IT IT IS PRETTY COMMON. THAT I THINK WE WILL GET THERE. WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE THERE YET. YOU GO BACK TO THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT SITE PLAN? EXCUSE ME. UH, WOULD YOU PREFER THE LANDSCAPE OR THE SITE PLAN? UH, THE ONE THAT SHOWED MY FAVORITE OF THE TREES. MY ONLY QUESTION AND THIS IS JUST I SEE A COLUMN. UM THAT SHOWS REQUIRED BY ZONING VERSUS REQUIRED BY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH WHICH ONE OF THOSE TAKES PRECEDENCE OR ARE THEY KIND OF BOTH IN PLAY THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WOULD TAKE PRECEDENT FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM, THIS WAS JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE COMPARISON WOULD BE. THIS IS JUST A QUESTION ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY. COLEMAN STREET, WHICH IS PROBABLY WELL, I THINK THE ONE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT SAYS THREE SHRUBS ON THE ON EACH LANDSCAPE PLANTING AREA. YEAH, SO IF YOU SEE HERE, THEY HAVE THESE LITTLE PLANTING AREAS AND JUST THREE SHRUBS WILL BE IN EACH ONE OF THESE LITTLE PLANTING AREAS. UM, INSTEAD OF SPACING IT THAT EVERY 15 FT DECIDED THIS WAS PROBABLY JUST A BETTER LOOK TO DO IT LIKE THAT. FAIR ENOUGH. JUST KIND OF A STRANGE NUMBER AND ODD THAT WE'RE REQUIRING THREE. IT'S GONNA ON A ON A FRONTAGE. THAT'S[00:15:04]
PROBABLY PRETTY IMPORTANT, SO IT I'M OK WITH IT. I JUST HOPEFULLY IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT FROM A ALSO SOMETHING I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I DIDN'T HIT UPON. UM WE ALSO DISCUSSED PUTTING A MAXIMUM ON THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED THERE. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT THE FIRST GO AROUND THE MAX OF FOUR. WE PROPOSED IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS. I THINK WE WANTED THAT LISTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IT IT SAID FOUR UNITS, BUT IT DIDN'T CAP IT AT FOUR. YEAH, SO THIS WILL HOLD THEM TO THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE ON THE SITE PLAN AGAIN. WE HAVE IS THAT, UM RIGHT THERE. SO ALONG COLEMAN STREET.ARE THOSE PARK ARE THOSE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES THERE ALONG COLEMAN STREET JUST OFF THE THOSE ARE, UM PARALLEL PARKING SPACES. BUT THOSE AREN'T COUNTED TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM THOSE AREN'T THERE CURRENTLY. SO THIS, UH IS THIS PART OF THIS? WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED BY THIS DEVELOPER? UH I BELIEVE SO I WOULD DEFER TO MOE ON THAT. UM BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT IS, UM, REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT COLEMAN IS GONNA BE LIKE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. THE AREA ALONG THERE IS GONNA BE SPLIT OUT TO WHERE IT'S GOT, UH, AND IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S GOT THE PARALLEL PARKING ON BOTH SIDES AND WHAT WE CALL THE OUTER LANES AND THEN A ELAINE GOING ONE NORTH ONE SOUTH, UM, IN BETWEEN THE PARKING AND THE MEDIA. IT'S GONNA BE REAL NICE AND SO AS THESE USES ARE COMING IN ALONG, COLEMAN WERE HAVING THEM SHOW ON THEIR SITE PLANS. WHAT THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT WILL LOOK LIKE. SO YOU GET A FEEL FOR IT, BUT BUT, LIKE DAKARI SAYS IT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS PARKING, UM, REQUIRED PARKING ON THE SITE. SO TWO THINGS, UM, FIRST WITH REGARDS TO LANDSCAPING ON THE EAST SIDE, UM WE'RE NOT REQUIRING ANY FENCING BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A FENCE CORRECT, CORRECT, BUT THAT'S A FENCE IN THEIR BACKYARD. AND THAT'S ONLY HALF OF THE PROPERTY LINE. IS THAT CORRECT? NOT THE THING. I WISH I'D HAD A MORE ZOOMED IN. THAT'S BASICALLY IT RIGHT THERE. THAT PICTURE AND THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE FRONT, THE FRONT YARD AND WE'RE JUST REQUIRING A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING FROM THE FRONT PART OF THE YARD. THAT'S I. THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME. UM BECAUSE THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE'RE PUTTING BOTH RETAIL AND MULTIFAMILY RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. UM SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF WORK OUT A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE SECOND THING IS WITH REGARDS TO THE PARKING, UM WITH THE WITH THE GAR. GO BACK TO THAT. NEXT SLIDE. UH, THIS, UH, THIS ONE? YEAH UM, SO THE RESIDENTIAL THE MULTIFAMILY. THEIR PARKING IS IN THE GARAGES AND MOST OF THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE RENTING. IT'S EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE IN BETWEEN PLACES OR UM, IT'S NOT NORMALLY IT'S NOT LONG TERM AND SO THEY'LL USE THEIR THEIR GARAGES AS AS STORAGE AND SO THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY PUT THEM PARKING IN THE IN THE OTHER PARKING SPOTS, WHICH IS FOR RETAIL, AND SO THAT'S GONNA PUT US IN A BIND. FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT. DO WE HAVE ANY HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND WHAT WE CAN DO FROM THAT STANDPOINT? I MEAN, OUR THOUGHT IS JUST, UM WE TRY TO MAKE THEM COMPLIANT BASED ON WHAT OUR ORDINANCE IS, AND AS LONG AS THEY PROVIDE THOSE TWO SPACES PER UNIT, UM I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER ADDITIONAL STANDARD WE CAN AFFORD. WE CAN.
I'M SURE MO CAN DISCUSS IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THE PARKING AS LONG AS THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH WHAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE THE PLACE THEY'D BE PARKING. IF THAT'S THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSES. IS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE PARKING. UM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PARK ON COLEMAN, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF IT NOT BEING COMPLETED. SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT. GOT SO DOES THAT AN INTERESTING QUESTION. DOES THAT COVER GARAGE COUNT AS PART AS THE PARKING IN A TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY? YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE A THEIR ESSAY, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT, UH, THAT HAS CALLED GARAGES. DO THEY GET TO COUNT THOSE GRUDGES AS PARK TOWARD THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT? FOR THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT. THEY CAN'T COUNT IT TOWARDS THE RETAIL AND OFFICE COMPONENT THAT HAS TO BE THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THAT USE. UM BUT THEY CAN FOR THE MULTI FAMILY COMPONENT. THE GARAGES WILL COUNT AS REQUIRED PARKING. WOULD SO WOULD THE SO THEN IT WOULD BE THE BUSINESS OWNERS. PREROGATIVE TO ASSIGN. THOSE PARKING SPOTS TO THE RETAIL, UM, STAFF. PERHAPS SO THIS IS MANAGER PARKING. AND
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THIS IS I SEE THAT ALL THE TIME AND PARKING GARAGES OR IN FRONT OF, YOU KNOW, OFFICE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW? THIS ONE IS THIS SPOT IS A SIGN FOR THE MANAGER. THIS IS A SIGN FOR THIS. THIS IS THESE SPOTS ARE ONLY FOR RETAIL PARKING ONLY AND IT'S THE OWNERS ARE ABLE TO DESIGNATE THAT PARKING AS SUCH. THEY THEY CAN DESIGNATE PARKING. I MEAN, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF SPACES FOR THE USES, THEY'RE PROVIDING THEY CAN ADEQUATE WHO LIKE IF THE MANAGER GETS THIS SPACE OR THE EMPLOYEES GET THIS SPACE, BUT, UM, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THE USES, THAT'S ALL WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BUT IN THAT QUESTION, THAT'S INTERESTING.THESE ARE GOOD LINE OF QUESTIONS, BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU SEE THOSE RETAIL ENVIRONMENTS LIKE THAT, AND WE ALL HAVE BEEN THERE, IT'S USUALLY AFTER 6 P.M. YOU KNOW IT'S BLOCKED RETAIL PARKING FOR A SET PERIOD OF HOURS AFTER THAT, TO YOUR POINT IF THOSE GARAGES ARE FILLED, ANYBODY CAN PARK OUT THERE. VERY MUCH. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING A WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS HERE THIS EVENING IF THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP JUST TO REMEMBER STATE NAME AND ADDRESS. UH THIS EVENING. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS MO DE POGGIO ADDRESS IS 130 NORTH PRESTON ROAD PROSPER, TEXAS. SO I GUESS SINCE YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH A COUPLE OF THE CHANGES ANY ANY COMMENTS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE RETAIL USAGE? UH THE MAC SUPPORT UNITS AND MAYBE SPEAK TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE PARKING. UH THE FIRST ONE IS REGARDING DEFENSE. WE ACTUALLY PUTTING FENCE ON THE ENTIRE ISLAND OF THE PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN EXISTING PHASE. UH, NEXT TO THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL , UH, PROPERTY THERE, SO THERE WILL BE A BRAND NEW FENCE THAT GOES THE ENTIRE LAND. IN SOLID FANS OR WHAT WOULD BE. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A PRIVACY FENCE, AND IT'S GONNA BE 8 FT. TALL. OK? WHAT TYPE OF WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL MATERIAL WOULD YES. WHAT ABOUT THE, UH MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PARKING SOME OF MY COMMENTS THERE. SO UM , I THINK THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UH, THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT ITSELF, UM THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT CAN BE IN A 2400 SQUARE FOOT, SO I KNOW THAT IT'S EASY TO KINDA TALK ABOUT WHAT IF SCENARIO, BUT IN THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS RELATIVELY SMALL. UM AND BEING AN OFFICE SPACE. UM, ALL THESE OTHER USES THAT WE TALK ABOUT.
IS BASED ON THE POTENTIAL OF IT AND IF WE ALREADY HAVE. LET'S SAY WE HAVE ONE OFFICE IN THERE, YOU COULD PROBABLY DIVIDE IT INTO TWO TENANTS AT MOST, UH, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SMALL PLACE.
SO, UM THOSE CONCERN ABOUT YOU KNOW. HAVING ADEQUATE SPACES, SOMETHING DESIGNATED TO A MANAGER. I DON'T SEE THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UM YOU KNOW? KIND OF BE A PROBLEM. UH, SO TO SPEAK. AND WHEN IT COMES TO UNIX AS WELL, IT'S ONLY FOUR UNITS OF THERE, UH, MAXIMUM OF TWO BEDROOMS AND, UM YOU KNOW MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE IN A TWO BEDROOM, PROBABLY JUST A COUPLE OR, YOU KNOW, SINGLE PERSON WITH A CHILD OR SO ON. THAT NEEDS AN OFFICE. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I SEE. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A FAMILY OF FOUR OR FIVE. THAT'S GONNA HAVE A TRUCKLOAD OF, UM, STUFF IN THE CAR RIGHT? AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THERE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, I. I THINK THAT HAVING JUST FOUR SPACES AND WHEN YOU GO TO APARTMENT PLACES ALL AROUND TOWN, TOO. UM THEY MAY NOT EVEN HAVE A GARAGE. BUT YOU KNOW THE THING ABOUT, UM IF YOU IF YOU PROVIDE A SPACE THAT IS NEEDED, UM FOR THE, UM UM FOR THE AMOUNT OF UNIT UM I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE ADEQUATE. UM I CAN'T TELL WHETHER OR NOT THE POTENTIAL TENANT IS GONNA BRING A TRUCKLOAD OF STUFF IN THERE OR NOT, BUT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M NOT ABLE TO MANAGE. BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE FOUR UNITS. IN ADDITION, BUSINESSES ARE NOW RUN 24 7. SO LET'S SAY, PERHAPS SOMEBODY DO PARK AND WE DO HAVE EXTRA TWO PARKING SPACES, AND I DON'T ASSUME THAT ALL THE TENANTS PERHAPS WILL HAVE A NEED TO PARK. OUTSIDE SO BUT IF THEY DO PARK OUT OF THE, UH, TRUCK PARKING SPACE THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR PUBLIC PARKING ONLY 10 IS REQUIRED. SO WE DO HAVE THAT LITTLE BUFFER. AND IF THEY DO COME AND SLEEP, OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE IS GONNA BE OFF HOURS. WE'RE IN BUSINESS OR NOT IN OPERATION SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THOSE. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS. AND WHEN, WHEN YOU SAW THE LIST OF, UH BUSINESSES ALLOWED. WAS THAT A
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LIST THAT, UH, WAS COLLABORATIVE ? I GUESS YOU WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH? YES, YES, OK, I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN US A LOT OF OPTIONS SO THAT YOU KNOW THE, UH THE SPACE WILL BE RIGHTED, HOPEFULLY. YOU KNOW? THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. WELL. SORRY I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF MORE QUESTIONS THAT I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE THOUGHT I PUSH THAT BUTTON SO BUT, UH, ON THE FENCE ALONG THE EASTERN LINE, I'M I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANT. I DON'T THERE'S A I. I DON'T SEE THAT SHOWN ON HERE IT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT HE CARD IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM I DON'T SEE THERE GOES FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK. THE DEFENSE OF THAT PROPERTY DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY. I'M NOT SURE IF WE ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF SORRY. OH, UM SO RIGHT HERE TO THERE. UM THERE IS A FENCE LINE THAT WE , UM, ARE GOING TO PUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REFLECT ON THE, UH, PICTURE OF THE, UH LET ME SEE IF WE HAVE THAT HERE. WHERE'S THE OTHER? WHERE IT SHOWS THE ELEVATION. NO, WE DON'T HAVE IT THERE. BUT I BE THERE IS THERE IS A FENCE ALONG THE, UH UH, THE BACK OR HERE.THERE'S ALSO A LITTLE SCREENING FENCE DETAIL THAT SHOWS THE AND SEE THE WOOD SCREENING FENCE DETAIL. I SEE THE LEGEND FOR SHOWING WHERE A WOODEN FENCE WOULD BE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT.
THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE PLANT, WHERE THE YOU KNOW, THE LEGEND SHOWS A WOODEN FENCE JUST, UH, YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY GONNA, UM, SHOW THAT WHEN WE COME FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING PERMIT, ALL THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIED IN THERE. UH WILL BE SHOWN AT DIDN'T EVEN, UH, REALIZE THAT IT WASN'T REALLY SHOWING BECAUSE WHAT I SAW IS THAT THE LINE THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE OTHER SIDE WERE KIND OF LIKE, UH, JUST A SINGLE LINE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE MOST HAVE PUT THAT DOUBLE LINE BECAUSE IT'S A FENCE THERE, BUT, UM I DON'T SEE THAT LIVE THERE. SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM THEN, IF IN OUR MOTION THAT WE MADE IT SPECIFIED CLEAR BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR ON ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY. YES THERE WILL BE A FENCE THAT GOES ALL ALONG, UM THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. ABSOLUTELY. DOES AND THE STAFF'S QUESTION WITH UH, DOES THAT? AND I ASSUME, SINCE IT'S A PD, WE CAN PUT WHATEVER WE WANT. BUT JUST CLARIFYING IS THAT WHAT IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH ORDINANCE BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL AND A RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT THERE IS A WOODEN FENCE? THAT IS THAT WHAT WE REQUIRE? IT'S NOT THE REQUIREMENT TYPICALLY, UM, BUT I THINK JUST THE UNIQUENESS OF THE SITE AND SINCE IT'S ALREADY EXISTING, UM WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO MAKE THEM PUT IN, UM, A MASONRY WALL AND THEN LANDSCAPING BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF BLOW UP THE SITE. UM, SO I THINK WE ARE FINE WITH THE WOODEN FENCE AND MAKING THIS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT KIND OF LETS US CRAFT THAT, UM, IS ALSO, UM, IF YOU ARE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS CASE, YOU CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION ABOUT, UM, EXTENDING THE FENCE, THE WOODEN FENCE AND MAKING THAT A PART OF THIS PD. SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING THE CURRENT FENCE OR REPLACING THE CURRENT FENCE, AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE DEVELOPER PUTTING IN A FULL FENCE ALL ALONG THE WHOLE PROPERTY. UM I GUESS IT COULD BE WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO BE. UM MO, DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S FOR YOU BUT YEAH, IF YOU WANTED A NEW FENCE IF YOU WANTED JUST TO MAKE TO EXTEND THE EXISTING FENCE, UM, THAT COULD BE A CONDITION OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. I SO THANK YOU. AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR PLAN WAS AN 8 FT FENCE. THAT HOMEOWNER WOULD APPRECIATE SOMETHING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF THIS EVENING.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN A ITEM NUMBER FOUR ARE THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR THIS EVENING? I WANT TO TAKE THAT AS A NO. AND GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, AND THEN I'M GONNA TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION CONVERSATION. UH COMMISSIONER HAMILTON. LET'S START DOWN ON YOUR END ON ANY COMMENTS. YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST KIND OF WALK ACROSS THE TABLE HERE. UM I LIKE THE IDEA OF INCLUDING THE, UH, FENCE IN THE IN THE MOTION. UM SO I AGREE
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WITH THAT TO MAKE SURE IT'S COVERED. UM MELLIE AT THE COMMENT WAS GOING TO BE REGARDING PARKING THAT, UM, WE DID GET A LETTER OF OPPOSITION REGARDING THE PARKING, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THE PERSON IS HERE OR NOT THAT SUBMITTED THAT, BUT THEY SHOULD KNOW, I GUESS THAT THE PARKING IS, UM THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PARKING WAS , UM, MISTAKEN VERSUS WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. SO THERE IS MORE PARKING. BEING PROVIDED. THEN WHAT IS, UM REQUIRED, SO JUST WANT THAT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE PARKING IS NOT LIMITED. IT'S ACTUALLY IN EXCESS OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TODAY. UM ALL OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED EITHER BY THE APPLICANT OR BY STAFF. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAMILTON.APPRECIATE THAT, MR HARRIS. EXCUSE ME. I HAVE NO NO ISSUES, AND I THINK YOU KNOW WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT A LITTLE BIT THAT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH MANY OTHER DOWNTOWN AREAS AND IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ENVISION, UH THE DOWNTOWN AND PROSPER TO EVOLVE INTO. SO UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO OTHER ISSUES AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD BEFORE THIS HAD BEEN ANSWERED BY BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT SO THANKS, COMMISSIONER HARRIS COMMISSIONER REEVES. YOU KNOW, I'M MY MAIN CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW THIS IS A SMALL LOT AND IT'S A BIG BUILDING. UM AND WRITE IT RIGHT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO IT IS A, UH SOMETHING THAT WILL ADD VALUE TO DOWNTOWN. UM BUT, UH, I. I CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH THIS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE GOT. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF CONCERNS WITH UH, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M I'M GETTING MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. THANKS, COMMISSIONER REEVE. MR CARSON.
COMMENTS ON MY END, I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY. MR BLAN. UM WELL, I GUESS I HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THIS AS WELL AND MYSELF. UM SIMILAR TO WHAT UM MR REEVES MENTIONED, UM GREAT IS A GOOD CATCH ON HIS PART ABOUT THE FENCE. I'M I'M I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET CLARIFIED THAT THE F COVERS THE WHOLE AREA. BUT I I'M YOU KNOW, I'M I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT, UH THIS LOCATION IS ACTUALLY I KNOW IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, BUT IT'S A COUPLE OF BLOCKS COUPLE OF LONG BLOCKS AWAY FROM WHERE THE MOST OF THE DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET ACTIVITY IS. SO IT'S UH SO I HAVE THOSE SAME CONCERNS THAT MR REEVES IS MENTIONING. UM, ABOUT THIS LOCATION. AND PUTTING MULTIFAMILY THERES BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT. UM, SO I'M KIND OF STILL STRUGGLING OVER THIS RIGHT NOW. THANKS I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. I KNOW WE'RE OUTSIDE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT ON THE ON THE APARTMENTS THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS. TWO. TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH. WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH APARTMENT? UM, BASED ON THE CALCULATION A 20 PER APARTMENT. SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.
I REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO ADD OUTSIDE OF THE COMMENTS FROM FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS I, I THINK, UH, SO I THINK THERE'S SOME MIXED FEELINGS OUT HERE. COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THOUGHTS. I THINK IF THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, AS WAS MENTIONED, UH, MISSION. REEVES COMMISSIONER BLANCHETT YOU KNOW, I THINK MAKES MAKES SOME NOTE OF THAT FENCING. UH, IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT GOES SO THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTARY ON REGULAR GENDER ITEM NUMBER FOUR. I GUESS I'LL TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY MOTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE HERE.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS REGULAR GENDER ITEM FOUR. UM CONTINGENT UPON ADDING AN 8 FT.
WOODEN FENCING ALONG THE EASTERN BORDER. OK, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR FROM COMMISSIONER HARRIS WITH THE ADDITION AND CLARIFICATION, I GUESS HERE THOSE ARE 8 FT.
WOODEN FENCE BETWEEN THE SUBJECT, PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. ADD A LITTLE MORE DETAIL TO IT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SECOND TO THAT MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HARRIS? I'LL SECOND, SO WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CARSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING REGULAR GENDER ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH WILL BE SUBJECT TO THIS TOWN TOWN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS
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WELL AS THE ADDITION OF THE 8 FT. FENCING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. AND SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 123. WE HAVE FOUR COMMISSIONERS IN FAVOR. SO FOR THE RECORD COMMISSIONER HAMILTON, COMMISSIONER HARRIS, COMMISSIONER CARSON AND COMMISSIONER DANIEL ARE IN FAVOR. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. WE HAVE TWO IN OPPOSITION COMMISSIONER REEVES AND COMMISSIONER BLANCHETT. AND REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR HAS PASSED 4 TO 2. AND WHEN WILL THAT GO TO, UH, TOWN COUNCIL. THE GHOST TOWN COUNCIL NEXT WEEK, OK? ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE TELLING STAFF WORK ON THAT?[5. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request for a Specific Use Permit to allow a Licensed Child-Care Center use, on 2.0± acres, on Barnes Addition, Block A, Lot 1, located on the east side of Parvin Street and 190± feet south of Seventh Street. (ZONE-23-0038)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. TO ALLOW A LICENSED CHILDCARE CENTER USED ON TWO ACRES. ON BARNES EDITION BLOCK A LOT ONE LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF HARVIN STREET AND 190 FT. SOUTH OF SEVENTH STREET.THIS IS CASES OWN DASH 23-0038. OK UH, SO THIS CASE IS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A LICENSED CHILD CARE FACILITY. UM THERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM THERE'S THE SURROUNDING ZONING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY. UM AROUND IT. THE PROPERTY IS OWN SINGLE FAMILY. UM SO THE PROPOSAL SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR LIFE AND CHILD CARE CENTER. IT'S TO CONVERT AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOME INTO THAT LICENSED CHILDCARE CENTER. UM SOME OF THE COMPONENTS. UM IS THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOME, WHICH IS ABOUT 2794 SQUARE FEET. UM A PROPOSED ADDITION TO THAT. WHICH IS ABOUT , UH, 430 SQUARE FEET. UM AND THEN A BARN GREENHOUSE AND PLAYGROUND. UM AND THE SCHOOL SHOULD HAVE LICENSED CHILDCARE CENTER WOULD HAVE 60 STUDENTS AND 10 STAFF MEMBERS, UM WAS KIND OF A SITE PLAN OF THE LAYOUT. HERE ELEVATIONS OF WHAT THE PROPOSAL WILL LOOK LIKE. UM AND SO COUPLE OF CONDITIONS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. UH, THE FIRST CONDITION IS A 5 FT REDUCTION IN THE LANDSCAPE. UH, EASEMENT ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY. UH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES 15 FT.
ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM AN APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 10 ARE REQUESTING 10 AND ON CONDITION NUMBER TWO. THEY'RE PROPOSING A REQUESTING ALTERNATIVE SCREENING AROUND THE NORTH EAST AND SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES. UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A 6 FT MASONRY ROLLS, SCREENING, UH, ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM AND THIS IS THE WALL THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. SO IT IS GOING TO BE A STANDARD WROUGHT IRON FENCE, UH, WITH EXPANDED METAL MESH TO HOLD IVY OR VINES. UM AND THEN HARDY PANEL, UM FOR THE COLUMNS. KIND OF SEE WHAT THAT EXHIBIT LOOKS LIKE, UH, SO FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS WE USE, UH, CERTAIN EVALUATION FOR THESE. UM AND A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASK IS, IS THE USE HARMONIOUS AND COMPATIBLE WITH ITS SURROUNDING EXISTING USES OF PROPOSED USES. UM I THINK THE ADJACENT EDUCATIONAL USES SHOW THE CONSISTENCY. UM OUR THE ACTIVITIES REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE REQUESTED USE, UM EDUCATION AND RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED UM, ARE TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH LICENSED CHILDCARE CENTERS.
UM, IS THE NATURE OF REASONABLE. UM AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS DISPLAYED BY THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE SURROUNDING USES. UM NUMBER FOUR. HAS ANY IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA? BEEN MITIGATED? UM WE BELIEVE THAT COMPLIANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING REGULATIONS WILL MITIGATE THE IMPACT. UM SO IF THEY ARE TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE, THEN IT WILL BE, UH, MITIGATED, UM IN CONCLUSION NOTICES WERE SENT OUT FRIDAY. MARCH 8TH, UM, WE DID RECEIVE ONE EMAIL IN OPPOSITION ON SATURDAY, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE VIEWED, UM ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION ON MONDAY. UH, BOTH OF THOSE WERE SENT AFTER THE PACKET. UM STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM FOR PROCEDURALLY. THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL . WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK ME QUESTIONS FIRST, AND THEN THEY GIVE A PRESENTATION OR, UM, THEY GIVE THE PRESENTATION AND THEN YOU ASK ME QUESTIONS. WELL, I THINK THE PRESENTATION MIGHT, UH ANSWER SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS AND WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU. SO I GUESS THE APPLICANTS HERE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE THAT PRESENTATION SO LET'S GO AHEAD. THIS IS REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING OUT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO STEP FORWARD.
UH, JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BILL HOKE.
AND 17 KW DRIVE. MCKINNEY, TEXAS 75071. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE . YOU BET. THANK YOU. IF YOU DON'T MIND, HE GAVE ME THIS. BUT OK, I'M I'M OLD SCHOOL. YEAH.
APPRECIATE IT. OK? RIGHT? THIS IS A PRESCHOOL. FOR BASICALLY FOUR YEAR OLDS. IT'LL HAVE, UH, FOUR CLASSROOMS. AND
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60. CHILDREN, 10 STAFF MEMBERS. WE'RE TAKING AN OLD HOUSE THAT SITS UP THERE NOW, AND BASICALLY MY SPECIALTY IS, UH THE UGLY HOUSES THAT I MAKE THEM VERY ATTRACTIVE. SO IF YOU FLIP THROUGH THE TO THE MANUAL HERE, I GUESS. LET ME THAT'S GONNA BE A RENDERING OF OUR UM, NORTH ELEVATION. THERE'S A SOUTH. I MEAN THE EAST ELEVATION. SOUTH ELEVATION. AND THEN THIS ELEVATION BACKS UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. AND THEN HERE, YOU SEE A BARN? FOR SMALL ANIMALS AND GREENHOUSE. SO THE IDEA IS THE CHILDREN GET EXPOSED. TO GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE. IN REGARDS TO THE DEFENSE. YES, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE SOFTER. UH, THEN A 6 FT MASONRY FENCE. WE'LL WE'LL CERTAINLY DO THE 6 FT MASONRY FENCE, BUT WE FEEL LIKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S IN. WE CAN SOFTEN IT UP WHERE IT LOOKS MORE RESIDENTIAL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, IT'S BASICALLY A PRAIRIE HOUSE. YOU KNOW A RESIDENTIAL. LOOK, UM WE LIKE THE LOOKS OF THAT, AND IT WORKS WITH THE CONCEPT VERY WELL. YOU CAN SEE HOW FAR BACK THE CURRENT HOUSE SITS. FROM CARBON STREET. AND THEN IT BACKS RIGHT UP TO UH, THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. SITE PLAN. AND THEN WE HAVE MET. BUT THE HECK OUT OF THE STAFF BLESS THEIR HEARTS. AND THE FIRE MARSHAL ANDREW BARR. SO EVERYBODY HAS TAKING A LOOK AT IT, AND SO FAR, THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED CLEAR.WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? FOR ME, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE CORE? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. SINCE WE HAVE YOU UP, I LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN FOR QUESTIONS AND OF THE AFRICAN 11 THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT I'D LOVE TO EXPAND ON, UM IS THE BARN AND THE ANIMALS. JUST I KNOW THEY'RE SMALL ANIMALS. BUT CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHAT LACK OF PETTING ZOO? AND THEY LIVE THERE PERMANENTLY. THEY LIVE THERE, OK? NOTHING THAT REALLY SQUAWKS OR NEIGHS OR MAKES A LOT OF NOISE. UM BE LIKE A LAMP. THERE'S LIKE FOUR LAMPS AND LITTLE BITTY, UH, UH, COWS, THE HAIRY COWS IF YOU'VE SEEN THOSE, AND, UM YOU KNOW, JUST ANIMALS THAT THE KIDS CAN GET. COMFORTABLE WITH SO. IS THAT DAKARI. MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS IN A MINUTE. BUT DO WE DOES THAT? I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER. I GUESS IF IT'S A PER THAT'S SHOULD BE THE BUT DO WE ADDRESS? WE DO HAVE REGULATIONS AND HONESTLY, IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT ANIMALS, BUT I MEAN, NOT FIRST TIME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ANIMALS OR KNOWN THAT THAT WAS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL. BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT TYPES AND SO FORTH, BUT WE DO HAVE REGULATIONS IN OUR CITY CODES ABOUT WHAT KIND OF ANIMALS AND HOW MANY YOU CAN HAVE AND WE'D HAVE TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH WITH WHAT THOSE ARE AND WE'VE READ THOSE AND THOSE ALL WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCES. YEAH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. I JUST WAS CURIOUS WHAT THE RULES WERE THAT KIND OF GOVERN THAT BECAUSE HOW BIG IS THIS? HOW MANY ACRES YOU GOT? TWO ACRES HERE. TWO ACRES. IN THE HOUSE WILL END UP BEING ABOUT 3200 FT.
OR THE SCHOOL. IT'S ALL BUILT. AND THEN AS IT AGAINST APOLOGISE . I'M ASKING YOU, BUT IT MIGHT BE A THE CARD QUESTION IS AS AS THE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS TO CHANGE THE FENCE, AND I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR INTEREST IN CHANGING IT FROM THE MASONRY, BUT AS IT'S WRITTEN PER CODE, YOU ALL 809 100. FT. OF THAT WOULD BE A MASONRY FENCE. ALL THREE SIDES BASICALLY. YEAH, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT FEEL FOR SURE, BUT WE'RE HOPING BETWEEN US AND ADMINISTRATION BUILDING WHICH IS CURRENTLY CHAIN LINK THAT COULD KIND OF STAY, SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY RESIDENTIAL. BUT YES, ON THE OTHER. TWO SIDES NORTH AND SOUTH. WE WOULD, UH
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ERECT A 6 FT FENCE. SO I NOTICED HIM TO THE PICTURES THAT SAID IY DOES IVY GROW. I MEAN, IS THAT YEAH, LEGIT. I MEAN, IT'LL GROW AND EVERYTHING. THERE WON'T BE A PROBLEM YEAR ROUND AND I'LL RUN A WATER LINE DOWN THE FENCE LINE. AND UH, KEEP IT GROWING SO IT MAY IT MAY BE A TRUMPET LINE.I'M NOT A YOU KNOW, ARBORIST OR ANYTHING, BUT WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WOULD GROW BECAUSE I MEAN, AS YOU CAN TELL THE WHOLE PROJECT IS, YOU KNOW BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, AND WE WANT THE DENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO BE JUST AS ATTRACTIVE. SO SOME OF THE COMMENTS I THINK OF SOME OF THE FOLKS IN OPPOSITION WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS MAYBE KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT TO US A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU SAID 60 STUDENTS, 10 TEACHERS.
UH, I MEAN IS THAT Y'ALL ARE IN THIS BUSINESS, SO YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN THAT TO US A LITTLE BIT.
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR THAT MANY FOLKS, LET'S SEE IF I CAN I DON'T THINK I HAVE THAT SLIDE. BUT IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR YOUR BROCHURE ON THE LAST PAGE. WE'LL GET A FEEL FOR THE FOUR CLASSROOMS. AND SO WE HAVE SIX STUDENTS PER CLASSROOM. THERE'LL BE A TEACHER AND A TEACHING ASSISTANT. ASSIGN TO EACH CLASSROOM. AND THEY HAVE TWO DIRECTORS THAT ARE IN THE OFFICE. AND YOU SAID THIS FOR WAS WHAT AGE GROUP? UH FOR THE FOUR YEAR OLDS, JUST FOUR YEAR OLD, PRETTY MUCH FOUR YEAR OLDS. WHAT'S THE GENERAL HOURS? LIKE WHAT ARE THEY TYPICALLY RUN FOR THE HOURS OF THIS? 8 TO 3. 830 TO 530. SO WHAT? YOU UH, WHAT DO YOU DO? UH, REGARDING FOOD AND HOW DO YOU HANDLE FEEDING THE KIDS? KIDS BRING THEIR OWN MEALS, SO THERE IS NO FOOD SERVICE SERVICE. IT. SO IT'S ONLY FOR FOUR YEAR OLDS. SO THEY COME IN. ONE YEAR. HE DRYING OUT. AND YOU'RE YOU. YOU'RE CONSTANTLY BRINGING IN. YOU'VE GOT A NEW CROP OF FOUR YEAR OLDS. IT JUST IS A TIGHT WINDOW FROM A I WOULD JUST FROM A I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A THIS IS THE FIRST MAYBE I'M JUST I I'M MAYBE I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE INDUSTRY AS I PROBABLY SHOULD BE. BUT THAT'S A VERY TIGHT WINDOW. YOU WILL CONSTANTLY HAVE, LIKE, WHAT'S THE RANGE IN TERMS OF, UH, OCCUPANCY THAT YOU SEE FROM YEAR TO YEAR. DO YOU SEE BEING FULL EVERY SINGLE YEAR OR YOU HAVE SOME VERY LEAN YEARS WHERE THEY JUST AREN'T THAT MANY FOUR YEAR OLDS. THE WHITE PHOSPHOR IS GROWING. I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT BEING FULL ALL THE TIME. IS THIS A CONCEPT THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE I DON'T WANNA SAY FRANCHISE. BUT IS THIS A CONCEPT THAT'S IN OTHER MARKETS THAT YES, OK IN ANY DW, OR NOT NOT THAT I KNOW OF. BUT THERE ARE OTHER MARKETS, BUT NOTHING LOOKS THIS GOOD. AND WHAT DOES TO CLARIFY? WHAT IS YOUR ROLE? YOU MENTIONED YOUR REPRESENTATIVE CONTRACTORS, OK? A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM SO FOR FOUR YEAR OLDS. THIS IS A PRESCHOOL BECAUSE I SAW IN SOMEWHERE IN THE PRESENTATION.
IT WAS CALLED A DAYCARE, SO WE'RE NOT A IT'S NOT A DAYCARE. IT'S A PRESCHOOL. I THINK THAT FIT OUR CONCEPT BETTER. YOU KNOW TO CALL IT THE DAYCARE. UM FOR THE OR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING. OK AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE ORDINANCES AND THAT DEFINITION OF DAYCARE AND PRESCHOOL. I KNOW THERE'S KIND OF A GENERAL DIFFERENCE OF WHAT THEY DO AND STUFF, BUT, UH DO WE CONSIDER THOSE DIFFERENT? THE SAME. THE MAIN DIFFERENCE OF THE PARKING AND CALCULATIONS ARE ALL KIND OF THE SAME FOR UM DAYCARES AND UH, PRIVATE, NOT PRIVATE SCHOOLS JUST PRESCHOOLS BECAUSE IT'S SIMILAR TYPE OF USE. BUT I THINK THE MAIN DISTINCTION IS THAT I THINK FOR PRESCHOOLS. IT'S A CURRICULUM. UM SO IF THERE'S A MAIN CURRICULUM BEING TAUGHT, IT'S MORE OF A SCHOOL AS OPPOSED TO IF IT'S JUST PLACES WHERE STUDENTS CAN GO, UM FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS, AND THEY COULD PLAY AND DO STUFF, DIFFERENT THINGS. IT'S MORE OF A PRESCHOOL. I MEAN, IT'S MORE OF A DAYCARE. BUT IF THERE'S A CURRICULUM THAT MAKES IT MORE OF A SCHOOL, I THINK THAT'S THE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF OUR CALCULATIONS FOR ANYTHING WITH REGARD, NOT REALLY OK. JUST CURIOUS, BECAUSE I THERE'S DIFFERENCES OF WHAT'S BEEN SAID HERE. AND THEN I NEED TO GO BACK TO THE TWO REQUESTS THAT YOU ASKED FOR. VARIANCES FROM THE ORDINANCES. ONE IS, UH UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FENCE , THE MASONRY FENCE AND I AND YOUR PURPOSE YOUR PURPOSE FOR REQUESTING THAT IS I UNDERSTAND IS PURELY AESTHETIC, UH, JUST TO FIT WITHIN THE PART OF ITS AESTHETIC. AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS TO IF YOU SEE THE TOPOGRAPHY ON THIS PROPERTY. TO REALLY BUILD A LINE UP OF A
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MASONRY FENCE WITH THE FOOTER ALL THE WAY DOWN. YOU KNOW, IT'S MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO SET COLUMNS AND THEY'RE CM YOU BLOCK COLUMN, SO IT'S ALL MASONRY, AND I'M WRAPPING IT. IN HARDY TO MATCH THE BUILDING. THINK THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, WHITE PAINT ON ON HARDY LAST 10 TO 20 YEARS. I MEAN, SO THAT ALWAYS LOOKS GOOD. I'VE DONE THAT. IN FACT, I'VE DONE IT ON MY PERSONAL RESIDENCE. AND THEN HAVING TO STAND IN BETWEEN THE COLUMNS THAT I CAN USE BASICALLY WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE IRON ROD FENCING AND PUT THE MESH UP AND THEN GROW BECAUSE I TALKED TO MY LANDSCAPER ABOUT GROWING THE VANS ARE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE SOMETHING SOFTER. I MEAN, WE TOTALLY AGREE. I MEAN, WHEN WE FIRST KIND OF GOT TALKING WITH STAFF YOU KNOW THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY, LOW LOW TREES AND HIGH TREES AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY NATURAL. THE WHOLE PART OF THE SCHOOL. IS NATURE AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE GREENHOUSE AND IN THE SMALL ANIMALS AND WE REALLY WANT SOMETHING TO REALLY COME ACROSS REALLY SOFT. THE MASONRY FENCES THE DIFFICULT TO YOU KNOW TO KEEP STANDING STRAIGHT, ESPECIALLY SOUL MOVEMENT, AND I WON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM WHEN I SET A PEER, HOWEVER, BEFORE I NEED TO SET IT FOR THE ENGINEERS DIRECTION AND HAVE A BASE AND THEN PUT SEAM BLOCK AROUND IT AND THEN WRAP IT UP. I'VE GOT A VERY STRONG STRUCTURE THERE BUT TO TRY TO FIND THAT TOPOGRAPHY. THAT'S I MEAN, AS IT IS, WE'RE PUSHING. MILLION BUCKS, YOU KNOW TO DO THIS PROJECT AND IT'S GOING TO GET MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT. AND I AND AGAIN I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE AS PRETTY IS ATTRACTIVE IF I'M ABLE TO DO THE FENCING THIS WAY, SO IT'S JUST SPEED AND LOVE. AND THE OTHER REQUEST YOU MADE WAS FOR, UH, A 10 FT. EASEMENT AND ON THE, UH I GUESS THE NORTH SIDE IS THAT CORRECT? INSTEAD OF 15 FT. BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S ALREADY A BUNCH OF TREES OUT THERE ON THE PROPERTY AS YOU CAN. GO THROUGH THE BROCHURE AND SEE. SO YOU KNOW, I AND THAT WAS A YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE STAFF KIND OF HELPED US COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER AS WELL. ON LIMITING THAT BUFFER. BUT I THINK THAT THE GREEN FENCE AND A LIMITED BUFFER IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN ADEQUATE. WELL. OK, MY QUESTION GOES TO AND SINCE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES 15 FT IN YOU'RE REQUESTING 10 FT. TO I. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE REASON. WHAT REASON WOULD THERE BE FOR REDUCING THAT TO? WELL, AT ONE POINT, MY, I THINK MY PARKING IS REALLY TIGHT. RIGHT THERE AGAINST THAT, AND AGAINST THAT PROPERTY LINE, AND I'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT MANY PARKING SPACES. THAT'S KIND OF THE PRIMARY AREA IS ON THAT NORTH SIDE ONCE MY PARKING STOPS. I I'M IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SO MANY NATURAL TREES ANYWAY. I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE IT'S GONNA BE PLENTY OF BUFFER. IS NOW YOU'VE SAID EARLIER WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED. YOU MADE THE STATEMENT AND MAKE SURE I YOU MEAN IT OR YOU? YOU KNEW YOU SAID IT. BUT YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO THE 6 FT MASONRY FENCE, IF THAT WAS REQUIRED. WELL, AT THIS POINT, OUR OUR SCHEDULE IS TO GET GET FINISHED AND OPEN BY AUGUST. SO THE CLOCK'S TICKING. UM, WE YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA SLOW OUR MOMENTUM DOWN AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE YOU CAN TELL BY THE BROCHURES. WE PUT A LOT OF ENERGY AND EFFORT. AND IN THE DESIGN AND THE FLOOR PLAN AND THE BUILDING PLANS ARE BEING FINISHED AS I SPEAK. SO YEAH, I JUST WE'RE NOT GONNA I MEAN, WE WOULD PREFER YOU. YOU CONSIDER OUR OUR OPTION HERE TO DO THE GREEN FENCE. BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA KILL THE DEAL. OVER A AND IS THE IS THE 15 FT EASEMENT ALONG THE NORTH END IS THAT OF THE KILLER, TOO. OR OR AT ALL. I MEAN, NOT TOO, BUT IS THAT A DEAL KILLER FOR IT? IS THAT A I THINK I THINK WE WERE TIGHT IN THAT AREA . I KNOW SUZANNE AND TAR. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH GREGORY A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM MMHM. MM GLENN. I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID. I'M JUST ASKING IF, UH THE 15 FT REQUIRED EASEMENT ON THE NORTHERN EDGE. IF THAT WAS A DEAL KILLER THAT IF FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO II? I DON'T KNOW, UM, I, I WOULD DEFER TO BILL IF THAT'S A DEAL, KILLER. WE'RE WANTING THE STANDARD ENFORCED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF 15 FT. THERE KILLS THE ABILITY TO DO THEIR LAYOUT. UM AND I'LL I'LL SAY IT RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT HERE HERE TO MAKE A DEAL. I'M NOT HERE TO KILL A DEAL, BUT I'M HERE TO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP A REALLY NICE PROJECT IN THE MIDDLE OF PROSPER, OK? IS THAT REDUCTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR ON ALL THREE SIDES PER SE OR IS IT ONLY IN THE NORTH? I THINK IT JUST READ ON THE ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND I THINK THAT'S DUE TO THE[00:55:05]
PARKING TO IN ORDER TO GIVE US ENOUGH SPACE. TO GET IN AND OUT. WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO NOTE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE'S LIKE A 20 FT. OFF SITE CULT OR THERE'S A THERE'S A WHOLE DITCH AND EVERYTHING OVER THERE. SO FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR PRINCES, BEARD, IT'S GREEN. IT'S SUFFERED PRETTY WELL. WHAT? WHO WHO OWNS THAT OFF SITE CULVERT. CAUSE IT.IT DOESN'T. IT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH EITHER. I JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHY IT'S EVEN THERE. WELL THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT. UM YOU KNOW HOW? HOW LONG? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE IVY TO GROW? AS FAR AS TO FILL IN THAT FENCING, BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF FENCING FOR IVY TO IVY TO GROW, GROW IN AND THIS JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION ON MY PART. I THINK WHENEVER WE RECOMMENDED GROW, YOU KNOW WITHIN 90 TO 120 DAYS.
OH, REALLY? I MEAN, I'D I'D COVER YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS WE CAN JUST LET IT THROW SO AND WE'RE GONNA BE OPENING, YOU KNOW? FINISHING THIS. I'LL TRY TO GET THIS DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO HOPEFULLY THE SUMMER WILL GIVE IT A YOU KNOW A GOOD BETWEEN WATER AND WE HAVE TO DO I THINK IT'D BE WELL ON ITS WAY. COME AUGUST SEPTEMBER. YEAH. UM AS FAR AS THE, UH OFF-SITE CULVERT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING UP ON GS. THERE'S NO OWNER INFORMATION FOR THAT, SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHO OWNS IT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SOUNDS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY. YOU SHOULD TRY TO GO GET IT. IT SHOWS ON HERE A VOLUME AND PAGE NUMBER FOR AN ALLEY BACK THERE. SO I ASSUME THAT MEANS IT'S A THERE'S IT. LEAST AN EASEMENT. RATHER CITY. THE CITY IS YEAH, THERE'S SOME KIND OF EASEMENT GOING THROUGH THEIR THATS. YOU PROBABLY CAN'T DO IT QUICKLY, BUT BE A GOOD THING TO ABSORB IN . WHAT'S THAT? I SAID, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T DO IT QUICK ENOUGH. IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO ABSORB IN AND THEN YOU GET YOUR BUFFER YOU NEED SO CURRENTLY THERE'S NOTHING NONE OF THE WORK HAS BEGUN. WE'RE STILL IN THE PLANNING STAGE, RIGHT? WE'RE STILL PUTTING.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. NO WORK'S BEEN DONE ON THE PROPERTY, OK? I THINK. DO WE WANNA WAIT BEFORE WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF DO WE WANT TO FINISH WITH, UM THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE MOVE TO QUESTIONS NOW, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? AND THEN WE'LL ASK ANY IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE AFTERNOON AT THIS TIME. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE MAY HAVE TO CALL YOU BACK UP. APPRECIATE IT.
SO THIS IS A REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO, UH SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. WE HAVE ANY WE DID WE HAVE ANY COMMENT? REQUEST FORM SUBMITTED ON THIS ITEM TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. OKAY? SO WE'LL GO ON. I GUESS I'LL BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING DAR IF YOU WANT TO COME UP IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF, JUST A QUICK ONE. AND THIS IS JUST SO WHAT? WE I THINK I'M THE FIRST ONE TO DO THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE THAT IN A FEW YEARS.
ALL RIGHT, UM SO WHAT WE HAVE IN HERE, UM ARE WE? ONCE WE APPROVE THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. IS IT REALLY TO THEIR DISCRETION? HOW MUCH OF THIS THEY ACTUALLY INCLUDE, OR WILL EVERY DETAIL IN THIS DOCUMENT BE INCLUDED IN, SAY, A PLAN OR SO AFTER THIS, THEY WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT, UM, SITE PLAN PLAN. UM FACADE ALL OF THAT, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE SUP AND THAT'S BEEN APPROVED. AND I THINK YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN I DON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS TO NOTE BUT I. I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT THAT EVERY DETAIL THAT IS IN THIS IS CAPTURED IN THE SITE PLAN. THIS IS A GOOD PLAN. I DON'T WANNA I COULD WAIT UNTIL OUR FINAL COMMENTS, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST AND I ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE KIND OF AGREED TO BE MORE AWARE OF IS ENSURING THAT WHAT WE SEE IN THE PRESENTATION WHAT WE SEE AND WHAT'S PRESENTED TO THE UM PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY LETTER BY LETTER REFLECTED IN THE SITE PLAN, UH, DOWN TO THE DETAIL. YEAH, AND THAT'S THE INTENT IS WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE SITE PLAN. IT'LL BE LIKE THIS, UM, BECAUSE WE WILL HOLD THEM TO THE STANDARD OF THE REGULATIONS OF THE SUP. OK? BUT
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THEY WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET THE SITE PLAN APPROVED RIGHT? SOMEONE SAYS A P IS APPROVED. IT WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE SITE PLAN ALIGNS WITH THIS. HOWEVER IF IT DOESN'T THEN WE'LL MAKE COMMENTS TO MAKE ENSURE THAT IT DOES. UM BUT DURING OUR REVIEW PROCESS, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED. WOULD TEETH DO YOU HAVE TO ENSURE THAT IT DOES, THOUGH, BECAUSE ONCE THEY GET THE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US. PLAN HAS TO GET APPROVED BY PND. SO THEY'RE COMING BACK TO GET THE SIDE PLAN APPROVED. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A PARKING CLARIFICATION. UM SO I KNOW YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO MAINTAIN THE 15 FT LANDSCAPE EASEMENT VERSUS 10, AND, UM, HE REFERENCED THAT POTENTIAL THAT PARKING COULD BE AN ISSUE IF IT'S 15 VERSUS 10 OR I MEAN, MY CONCERN IS I WOULDN'T WANT TO, UM YOU KNOW THIS THE PLAN AND THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT. I WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE US LOSE PARKING BECAUSE OF THE 10 VERSUS 15 AND CAUSED HIM TO REMOVE ALL THE TREES THAT WERE TRYING TO PROTECT. THERE'S A GREAT NUMBER OF TREES ON THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO MAINTAIN. AND I FEEL LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA GET CREDIT FOR IT. AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S VERY IMPACTFUL WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. SO I THINK WHAT BILL IS REFERRING TO IS THE DIMENSIONING OF THE SPACES. SO IF YOU CAN SEE HOW ALIGNED. UM I WISH YOU COULD SEE THAT ON THAT, UM, PARKING SPACE IS REQUIRED TO BE NINE BY 20. IF THEY WIDEN IT, UM, I THINK THEY MAYBE HAVE TO BE NINE BY 18. BUT THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE A 2. FT OVERHANG. B OVERHANG CAN'T ENCROACH INTO THE LANDSCAPING. UM SO WHEN HE'S SAYING, REFERRING TO, I DON'T THINK HE'D LOSE ANY SPACES IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER. BUT I THINK THE SPACE IS WAY SMALLER AND THERE WOULD BE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT. UM BUT HE WOULDN'T LOSE ANY SPACES. IT JUST BE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SPACES WOULD BE SMALLER. I GET RESOLVED, I GUESS THEN I WE'RE ENFORCING JUST WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS, UM, I THINK HE COULD MAKE IT WORK. UM WITH THE 15 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE DIMENSIONED. UM, CORRECTLY, UM BUT IF IT'S APPROVED UH, AND REGULATION WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE'D MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE STANDARDS. UM BUT IT WAS APPROVED DIFFERENTLY THAN WE WOULD JUST THE PLAN. BUT PARKING SPACES, ACTUALLY, A BUT THAT FIRE LANE. WHICH IS WHAT THE WHITE CIRCLE IS AROUND THE DARKER CIRCLE. YOU KNOW, AND IF THE PARKING SPACES GET BIGGER, THEY'RE GONNA ENCROACH INTO THE FIRE LANE. AND THE FIRE MARSHAL IS NOT GONNA SIGN OFF ON THAT. THAT WAS A BIG DEAL TO THE FIRE MARSHAL TO GET ALL THAT LAID OUT. UM I WOULD OF IF YOU WILL. THAT WITH THAT.EASEMENT. THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. THERE ISN'T GONNA BE ANYTHING BUILT THERE. YOU KNOW, AND SO YOU'RE THE DISTANCE OR THE SPACE BETWEEN WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THE OTHER SIDE VERSUS WHAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED WITH THEIR PARKING SPACES. I THINK ALLOWING THE 10 FT. AND, UM. GRANTING THE 5 FT DIFFERENCE IF YOU WILL WOULD BE IN KEEPING AND, UM, THE INTENT OF WHAT THE DISTANCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE. IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
YOU KNOW, AND SO I DON'T. I DON'T REALLY THINK IT WOULD HURT ANYTHING TO DO THAT. AND I THINK WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE SUP YOU. YOU'RE MORE THAN THAN, UM, ABLE TO MAKE THAT SUGGESTION OR OR OR GRANT THAT THAT 5 FT. REDUCTION AND I THINK IT WOULD BE FINE. THE QUESTION ABOUT THE WALL AND THE GREEN THE IVY VERSUS THE WALL. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A JUDGMENT CALL WITH WITH THE COMMISSION AND HOW YOU THINK THAT APPEARANCE WOULD BE, BUT I THINK THE 5 FT. I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE NOTICEABLE. IT WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IN MY OPINION. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ON THE BUILDING MATERIALS, BUT JUST A QUESTION, DO WE? WE TYPICALLY HAVE A PRETTY HIGH STANDARD OF MASONRY, ETCETERA. DOES THAT DOES THIS COMPLY WITH AS KIND OF PROPOSED AT THIS LEVEL? WITH ALL OF OUR THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED FOR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF MASONRY. ALSO FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENTS GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF ENFORCE THAT STANDARD, BUT FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, UM, COULDN'T ENFORCE BUILDING MATERIAL STANDARDS THROUGH THAT. OKAY? YOU COME FORWARD IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS FOR THEM. GET THE
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MICROPHONE THERE. YOU. AS FAR AS THE QUESTION ON IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ON THIS SITE PLAN HERE.ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ELIMINATE ONE THING AND IF I CAN GET YOU KNOW, 2 3 5 FT MORE BUFFER. I'LL DO IT. I MEAN, IT'S MORE SOMETIMES YOU GET ALTHOUGH I HAVE TWO ACRES. I'M KIND OF CONSTRAINED SOMETIMES. AS WE'RE WORKING AROUND EXISTING STRUCTURE. THE THING I'D LIKE TO DO, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS SITE PLAN. PROVED I DON'T WANNA THERE'S NOTHING. I'M GONNA CHANGE TO COME BACK. I THINK WE CAN IF THERE'S ANY MODIFICATIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS YOU WANT TO MAKE YOU KNOW THAT'S LET'S MAKE THOSE BUT I LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE SITE PLAN APPROVED BECAUSE WE LIKE TO PUT THAT IN OUR PERMIT THAT AND THAT'S WE STILL GOT TO GO BACK TO THE CITY. AND THEY'RE GONNA OVERSEE MAKE SURE WE DO ALL THIS. SO WHEN WE PULL OUR PERMIT IT WILL ALL BE INCLUDED. SO ONE SO TALKING ABOUT THAT SO KIND OF GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS HERE THAT FENCE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND THE SCHOOL BUILDING. YES, YOU MENTIONED CHAIN CHAIN LINK FENCE. IS IT GONNA MATCH THE REST OF THE FENCE? WE'RE SEEING HERE OR NOT, I I'M KIND OF THE OPINION THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS FENCING, WE KIND OF KEEP IT ALL CONSISTENT. WELL I KNOW IT'S A BUILDING AND A PARKING LOT IF YOU LOOK BACK THERE. I MEAN, I'VE GOT A BIG BURN. THAT GOES UP. YOU KNOW ABOUT 18 FT. TO THE ADMINISTRATION. PARKING LOT. AND A CHAIN LINK FENCE THERE.
PROBABLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. I MEAN, AND THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY RESIDENTIAL. BUT IF WE NEEDED TO GROW OUR IVY ACROSS IT AND SUPPORT IT, I'M HAPPY TO. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. YOU GOT A REALLY NEAT PRODUCT HERE. I JUST BUT EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT'S THE SCHOOL AND THE PARKING LOT AND ALL THAT I JUST I THINK IT'D BE WORTH IT TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
WHATEVER WE DECIDE ON THIS, THEN WE HAVE TO, THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JUST TO CLARIFY WHEN YOU SAY CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSENT AND WE TALK ABOUT THE FENCE HERE. WE KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS FOR THE FENCING, AND WE KNOW WHAT THE TOWN SAYS.
WE NEED TO HAVE FOR THE FENCING. AND SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST IT'S A THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.
Y'ALL. Y'ALL GOT A BEAUTIFUL PRODUCT HERE AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF, AND I THINK WE WANT AND YOU SHOULD BE AND WE'RE AS A TOWN. WE'RE PROUD OF IT. SO WE JUST NEED TO WORK THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS AND I. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE YOU KNOW WITH, LET'S MAKE IT FIRST CLASS ALL THE WAY, AND I KNOW IT'S A PARKING LOT, BUT SOMEBODY'S GONNA SEE IT. YOU KNOW, WE GO THERE AND VOTE AND EVERYTHING. SO WE'LL SEE IT. BUT THIS ONE WILL MAKE IT LOOK GOOD.
WE DON'T WANT THAT TO SLOW US DOWN. I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE EXCITED FOR IT. AND LOOKING FOR YOUR INPUT, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE AND I THINK WHAT DAVID SAID ON THIS. OFFS CULT AND THAT LANDSCAPE BARRIER. I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THERE THAT MAKE COMMON SENSE. I MEAN, WE WE'VE GOT A BIG BARRIER THERE. SO YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THIS WORK, BUT WE'RE GONNA ALWAYS LISTEN TO STAFF AND INSPECTORS AND ALL WE'RE WE DON'T CUT CORNERS. EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE FIRST CLASS AND DONE RIGHT. I. I THINK YOU HAD ANOTHER SORT OF PROCEDURAL QUESTION. YOU ASKED IF WE CAN JUST BOTH TONIGHT, RIGHT? THE WE THIS? WE CAN DO THIS, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT I, I THINK WHAT? WHAT I'M HEARING THERE. AS YOU'RE GONNA HOLD TO WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE, BUT OUR PLAN COMES OR IT'S GONNA BE WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE TONIGHT, SO WE'LL MAKE THOSE MODIFICATIONS. BUT THAT'S GONNA CARRY ON THROUGH. WHEN DOES THIS GO TO COUNCIL? LIKE TO FIRST. OK, SO IT'S LIKE NEXT MONTH. NOT NEXT WEEK, THOUGH.
THAT GOES TO 16. AND THEY WILL COME BACK BEFORE THEN. OR HOW DO WE DO THAT? COMMISSIONERS IS WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AS FAR AS AS DEALING WITH BUILDING DEPARTMENTS TO MAYBE LET THEM GET SOME OF THEIR PRELIMINARY PLANS. AND SO WE CAN START THAT REVIEW PROCESS. THE FACT THAT OR ONE BIG, HAPPY FAMILY WITH WITH BUILDING AND PLANNING, SO TO SPEAK, WE CAN CAN DO THAT. THAT'S OUTSIDE OF WHAT OUR NORMAL SYSTEM IS BECAUSE WE GENERALLY DON'T LIKE TO GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES AND THEN WIND UP TRYING TO TRY AND CATCH UP. BUT YOU KNOW THEY THEY ARE WORKING AT A DEADLINE. THEY GOT FOUR MONTHS, 4.5 MONTHS. WHATEVER THE ACTUAL DATE IS, AND IN AUGUST THAT THEY NEED AND THE ME SOMETHING WE MAY BE ABLE TO HELP THEM. GET UP. YOU CAN'T DO THE SITE PLAN EVEN IF HE WANTED TO DO THE SAME THING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. AND SO IT'S THAT'S IT'S MORE THAN A PROCEDURAL PROCESS THING. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, CAN'T DO IT.
IT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM, BUT I THINK WE PROBABLY CAN HELP THEM OR WORK WITH THEM TO TRY AND
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SAVE SOME TIME. BUT THE OVERALL END OF THE PROCESS, SO TO SPEAK WHEN THE INTEREST OF EXPEDITING OUR REVIEW. I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER BUFFERING IN SOME TIME TO GO. ONCE WE PRESENTED THIS I PLAN I THINK IT'S WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THIS HIGH PLAN ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE SAW HERE AND THAT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME. SO, UM AND I THINK WE SORT OF HAD THIS CONVERSATION ON SITE PLANS IN GENERAL, JUST WHEN WE HAVE THESE SORTS OF PROJECTS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME TO REVIEW THE SITE PLAN TO ENSURE THAT IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE REVIEWED AND APPROVED. DURING THIS PORTION OF THE REVIEW PROCESS. UM SO BAKING THAT TIME AS WELL. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. SIR SURE, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT Y'ALL WON'T GET THE SITE PLAN. I'M JUST SAYING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP HIM AND START A NEW REVIEW SOME OF THEIR THEIR BUILDING PLANS WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT THAT PROCESS OF THIS RIGHT? I WAS JUST REFERRING TO LIKE THE WORKING SESSIONS THAT WE HAVE MAYBE BUFFERING AN EXTRA 30 MINUTES OR MAYBE GETTING THE SITE AS SOON AS YOU HAVE IT, UH, MAYBE GETTING IT OUT IN THE AGENDA PACKET. I REMEMBER IN THE PAST, WE'VE GOTTEN IT OUT A DAY OR SO EARLY JUST TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT EXTRA. FOR REVIEW AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE SAW, BUT THAT'S ALL. YES, SIR. DID YOU SAY THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED PRELIMINARILY BY FIRE, SO THEY'RE GOOD WITH THE TURNAROUND FIR LANE. WHERE YOU APPLIED FOR A VARIANCE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANDREW WOULD LET US GET TO THIS. MR BARROW. LET US GET TO THIS POINT. SO IS THIS APPROVED BY I MEAN IS EVERYBODY LOOKED AT IT THAT NEEDS TO SO EVERYONE WAS FINE WITH IT COMING TO YOU GUYS FOR A ZONING CASE, UM, DURING THE SITE PLAN. UM ANDREW SAID THAT, UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO, UM , SUBMIT A VARIANCE FOR SOME. I THINK IT'S FIRE HOSE LAY AND ANOTHER FIRE REGULATION. UM, THAT'LL BE STAMPED OUT AFTER THIS, BUT EVERYONE'S FINE WITH IT BEING HERE, UM, FOR THE ZONING CASE. AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED THOSE THOSE DRAWINGS TO ANDREW FOR I THINK THE CIRCLE SCHOOL I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY HAD SOMETIMES DOES WHAT FIRE DOES SO IT GIVES US KEEPS US SAFE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE. THE PUBLIC HEARING APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. WANT TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, I GUESS, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FEEL FREE TO ASK THOSE BUT OTHERWISE, COMMISSIONER BLANT SAID, I'LL WE'LL START ON YOUR END THIS TIME AND KIND OF WALK THROUGH YOUR THOUGHTS. UH, WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL UH, PRODUCT. I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT A GREAT PRODUCT HERE. I AND I THINK IT HAVE YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL ADDITION? UM MY, UH, I. I AGREE THAT I THINK THE 10 FT. EASEMENT IN THE NORTHERN EDGE. UH IS SATISFACTORY BECAUSE OF THE CULVERT. THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. I THINK IT MEETS THE , UH, THE SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE. UM WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE REQUESTED CHANGE ON THE ON THE FENCE. UH, THE FENCING. I, UM YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE. UM I'M I HAVEN'T AND I'M NOT SURE THAT AESTHETICS AND EVERYTHING IS REALLY THE REASON WHY WE SHOULD, AS AS A COMMISSION. UM BUT APPROVE A CHANGE TO THAT, UH, COUNCIL CAN DO THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S ONE WHAT OUR ROLE IS. SO UM, I MEAN, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PRODUCT. AND WITH THIS, UH, THIS ITEM, UH BUT WITH, UH, THE MASONRY WALL REQUIREMENT. APPRECIATE THAT. MR CARSON. UM I'M GENERALLY THE SAME. I THINK THE BRONX SCHOOL I THINK IT'S A GREAT UH, SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I LOVE THE CONCEPT OF THE FOUR YEAR OLD, YOU KNOW, CHILDCARE. I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE FOR THE PROPERTY, AND I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR PROSPER. UM I'M 100% A FAN OF THE 10 FT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED THE ADDITIONAL UH, 5 FT ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT I THINK IT KIND OF NOT NOT NECESSARILY NOT REQUIRED. UM, I LOVE THE EFFORT AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOTED. TO KEEP AS MANY TREES WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS IN THE AERIAL, THE TREES MAKE THIS PROPERTY. I THINK KIND OF SPECIAL. YOU CAN'T GO BUY THOSE AND PUT THEM THERE. SO I LOVE THAT. YOU GUYS TRIED YOUR BEST TO MINIMIZE WHAT YOU'RE TAKING OUT. SO I THINK THAT WAS A BIG NOTE. UM AND I THINK THE MORE YOU MOVE IT AROUND, THE MORE THOSE ARE AT RISK, SO I LIKE I LIKE TRYING TO MAINTAIN WHAT YOU PLANNED AND THOUGHT THROUGH. UM YEAH, I'M OK WITH THE ANIMAL CONCEPT. I LIKE IT. WHAT WHAT I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH IS THE ONE COMMENT WE DID WHILE WE RECEIVED TOO, BUT ONE OF THEM WAS ACTUALLY FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. UH WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE TO THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE. I'M A LITTLE A LITTLE CONCERNED ON SWITCHING[01:15:04]
THE FENCE ALONG THAT PARTICULAR SECTION AS WELL AS YOU GOT YOUR BARN AND YOUR ANIMALS THERE. UM AGAIN. I KNOW THEY'RE NOT YOU KNOW? ROOSTERS CROWING AT SIX IN THE MORNING BUT TRYING TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THE SURROUNDING OWNERS. AND IN GENERAL, I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE YOUR CONCEPT ON THE FENCE. UM IS EVERYONE KNOWS. I LOVE LANDSCAPING AND TREES. BUT I'M A LITTLE I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IV BEING ABLE TO BE YOU KNOW, THE RENDERING IS BEAUTIFUL. IT'S GOT THIS NICE, FULL, LUSH GREEN. UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT TECH IN TEXAS IN OUR WINTERS IVORY DOESN'T ALWAYS FARE TOO WELL. SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE USING THAT PARTICULARLY ON THE SITE ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE YOU'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UM, ON THE NORTH, WHERE YOU HAVE THAT LANDSCAPING BUFFER KIND OF BUILT IN. IT FEELS A LITTLE MORE NATURAL. THERE. UM SO I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT MY THOUGHT IS, BUT LOVE TO GET THE CRUISE. YOU KNOW THE COMMISSION'S OPINION, BUT I'M IN GENERAL. I LOVE THE LOVE THE PROJECT ALL IN FAVOR. I'M GOOD WITH THE 10. FT UM, I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT STUCK ON THE ON THE FENCE. NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY AN A GOOD SCREENING. HOWEVER I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT OF THE SOFTNESS OF YOU KNOW, 6 FT. MASONRY FENCE FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A LIKE A PRISON OR SOMETHING A LITTLE LESS FOUR YEAR OLD. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS. FOR NOW, AT LEAST. THANKS. COMMISSIONER. CARSON APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER REEVES. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD CONCEPT. I THINK THE PROJECT IS, UM I THINK THE DESIGN IS REALLY INCREDIBLE. UH, I'VE GOT A KIND OF A MORE UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE TO THIS BECAUSE I ACTUALLY SAW THIS HOUSE BUILT, UM, WHEN I WAS IN IN SCHOOL, UM AND SO I'VE I'VE SEEN SEEN THIS THING SINCE IT SINCE IT STARTED. UM, WHEN IT WAS, UH I KNOW. I KNOW THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF IT, UM AND SO IT'S THIS IS JUST TO SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE IN THESE DESIGNS IS, UM I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. UM AS FAR AS THE EASEMENT I'M I'M OK WITH THAT BASED ON I AGREE WITH, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. UM THE FENCING. UM YOU KNOW, I. I AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, UM FROM BOTH COMMISSIONERS. III I LEAN MORE TOWARDS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARSON IN THAT, UM WITH THE IVY HERE IN TEXAS. I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO KEEP UP. UM WITH, UH, WITH OUR WEATHER, AND, UH JUST WITH WITH SOME OF OUR SOME OF OUR FENCING AROUND TOWN. WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE HAVING TO REPLACE THEIR LANDSCAPING BECAUSE IT'S DYING OFF. AND WHEN THIS IS WHAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE THAT THE COVER IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.AND SO I'M I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT, UM AND BUT I. I LIKE THE ENTIRE CONCEPT HERE. IT'S JUST, UH IT'S A FENCING ASPECT THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH. MR HARRIS. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. UM UM TOTALLY FINE WITH, UH, CONDITION ONE AND CONDITION TWO. I. I GUESS I'M I'M ON THE FENCE ABOUT THE FENCE. UM I KNEW THAT I KNEW THAT WOULD I KNEW THAT WOULD LAND? WELL, I DID. YEAH IT'S ON THE RECORD. UM, I JUST I THINK THE ISSUE IS IF BIG IF YOU ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT IVY YEAR ROUND THEN I DON'T THINK THERE'S ONE COMMISSION UP HERE. THAT'D BE AGAINST IT. I THINK IT'S JUST THE CONCERN THAT I IT'S. IT IS A TREMENDOUS UNDERTAKING AND TO KEEP THAT IVY THERE AND I AS A PERSON WHOSE YARD HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY DECIMATED BY THIS PAST THE WINTER AND THEN THE, UH THE RAINS AND EVERYTHING IS JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW. IT. IT WOULD BE REALLY TOUGH, SO IT'S NOT AS IF I I'M AGAINST THE IVY. I'M TOTALLY FOR IT. I WOULD. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY. ACTUALLY I THINK, UM UH, COMMISSIONER DANIEL BROUGHT UP EARLIER, UH, HAVING IT ALL THE WAY CONSISTENT AROUND. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IVY ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT PROPERTY . UM I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO MAINTAIN, UH OUTSIDE OF THAT. I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL PRODUCT. I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED IS TO THE T. WHAT WE SEE, I LOVE THE FACT THAT IN ADD THAT IN ADDITION TO KEEPING THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY YOU HAVE PROPOSED ADDING ADDITIONAL TREES TO THE PROPERTY. I JUST I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH GREEN SPACE AS WE LOSE AS WE, YOU KNOW, APPROVE NEW PROPERTY AFTER NEW PROPERTY AND, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES
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TO SEE SOMEONE COMING IN WANTING TO INCREASE THE GREEN SPACE, I THINK REALLY ADDS TO, UM TOWN AND THE AESTHETIC OF THESE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU ARE BUILDING IN. SO I REALLY LOVE THE PRODUCT. I LOVE II. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW IT LOOKS. UH, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE UM THE KIDS GOING IN AND OUT AND I. I WONDER IF THERE ARE ENOUGH ANIMALS TO CREATE A SMELL DOWNWIND, I, BUT I'M GUESSING THAT THERE THERE'S NOT QUITE ENOUGH FOR THAT. BUT UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I JUST THOUGHT OF AS WE WERE TALKING, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, LOVE THE PRODUCT AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT. MR HAMILTON. ALL RIGHT, UM, I. I LOVE THIS PROJECT. I LOVE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. I MEAN, THIS IS A WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAW AND THE ODD SHAPE OF THE LOT, UM AND TAKING WHAT IS EXISTING IN IMPROVE UPON IT, APPROVE UPON IT , AND, UH, MAINTAINING THE TREES . FOR THE MOST PART, I MEAN, VERY FEW TREES ARE BEING, UH, ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE, UM TAKEN OUT, UH, TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK. UM I. I LOVE ALL THE TENSION, THE DETAIL THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS PROJECT I AGREE WITH. I THINK ALL MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THE LANDSCAPE ADJUSTMENT, UM, TO ALLOW THE 10 FT VERSUS 15 THAT WAS REQUESTED, AND I THINK I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH CONCERN ON THE IV. WALL. UM. TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE IVY WALL. ALTHOUGH I WOULD LOVE FOR THAT. TO BE ABLE TO WORK. I JUST DON'T PHYSICALLY SEE IT WORKING, UM AND SO THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN THAT I THINK MOST HAVE EXPRESSED. SO I GUESS I WOULD SPLIT THE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE AND AGREE TO THE LANDSCAPE BUT NOT AGREE TO THE, UH, THE REQUEST ON THE SCREENING WALL. THANKS, COMMISSIONER HAMILTON. I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD. I THINK SIMILAR THOUGHTS TO EVERYONE ELSE. I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK DONE ON THIS. IT IT LOOKS LIKE A PREMIUM PRODUCT REALLY NEAT. I THINK IT'LL BE GREAT IN THE TOWN. WE WANT TO SUPPORT THAT BEST WE CAN. I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS TODAY. UH I THINK ON CONDITION ONE. I'M FINE GOING TO A 10 FT EASEMENT AS FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT. WE'VE GOT THE 20 FT, UH, DRAINAGE. OVER THERE. THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE ON CONDITION TWO REGARDING THIS 6 FT MASONRY SCREENING WALL ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL PROPERTY CORRECT. THAT WOULD MAYBE OUTLINE ON THAT MAP WHERE WHERE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE WITH THAT WALL? JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON THAT. UH, YEAH, TECHNICALLY, YOU'RE CORRECT. UM OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT DOES GO ALL AROUND LIKE THIS. YOU'RE INTENT WITH THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, SO IT'S AROUND THE WHOLE IT'S AROUND THE WHOLE THING. THAT'S ALL I CAN. OK TO BE CONSISTENT LIKE YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT VERY GOOD. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED CLARIFICATION ON. SO THAT IS A ZONING ORDINANCE. OK, AND IT IT'S KIND OF HARD. TO DIFFERENTIATE AND GO AGAINST THE ZONING OR WE HAVE. WE DO HAVE RESIDENTS NEAR THAT AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THOSE RESIDENTS AS WELL OR RESIDENTS HERE. THE ONE THING I'LL SAY IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL IN NEXT MONTH AND I THINK, UH, SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WILL BE HAD AGAIN AT COUNCIL. AND THERE MAY BE SOME DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT THAT AND PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT THAT'S FOR A FUTURE MEETING. SO UH, SO I'M KIND OF LIKE MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS SAID OF HOLDING TO THAT ORDINANCE, UH, WITH THE MASONRY WALL AT THIS TIME, SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S OUR COMMENTS. UH, WE'RE ON REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, ON THIS IDLE I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. SUBJECT TO THE CHANGE ON THE, UH, LANDSCAPE. UM TO BE 10. 5 FT REDUCTION TO BE 10 FT VERSUS 15 FT AND ON CONDITION TO, UM I AM.THE RIGHT TO MAINTAIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT REQUIRES THE 6 FT MASONRY SCREEN WALL ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND ON THAT, UH, LANDSCAPE THAT'S ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY BOUNDARY. YES. SO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER. HAMILTON TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT? I SECOND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES. AND SO LET'S JUST REVIEW THE CONDITION. ONE WILL BE A 5.
FT REDUCTION IN LANDSCAPE EASEMENT ON NORTHERN BOUNDARY CORRECT COMMISSION HAMILTON AND THE CONDITION TO WE'RE KEEPING AND HOLDING THE ZORD ZONING ORDINANCE IN PLACE WITH A 6 FT MASONRY WALL AROUND THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. SO WITH THAT MOTION SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. AND ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS APPROVED 6 TO 0
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AND APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE THIS EVENING. YEP. THANK YOU. SO, UH, NEXT ONE. WE HAVE[6. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.]
THIS. THIS EVENING'S AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX A REVIEW ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE TOWN COUNCIL DIRECT TOWN STAFF TO SCHEDULE TOPICS FOR FUTURE MEETING. OK UH, SO PREVIOUSLY AT TOWN COUNCIL, UM LAST WEEK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THERE'S THE TEAL PARKWAY, RETAIL P ORDINANCE AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS WERE THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH SUP, UH, WHICH WAS APPROVED, UH, THE DOMINION AND BRCA PD. UM 111 AMENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED AND THEN ACTUALLY THOSE ON CONSENT. AND THEN FOR THE UPCOMING TOWN COUNCIL ITEMS, UM, THE CONSENT AGENDA. UH, THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH SEP ORDINANCE, UH, THE DOMINION AND BRCA PD ORDINANCE.UM, AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THE DOWNTOWN MC PD THAT YOU SAW TONIGHT. UM AND THEN FOR THE UPCOMING PNZ MEETING. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ZONING CASES CURRENTLY, UM, THAT WE THINK ARE READY TO BE NOTICED. UH, FOR NEXT WEEK OR FOR THIS WEEK, ACTUALLY, UM, IF THAT CHANGES, UM WE'LL LET YOU GUYS KNOW, BUT AS OF NOW, THERE'S NOTHING ON OUR RADAR THAT'S READY AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEND AN EMAIL ON MONDAY WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF ITEMS AND THEN SAY, APRIL FOOLS, RIGHT? NO. BECAUSE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. WE'RE NOT. IS THERE ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS IN FOR APRIL 2ND. THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME CONSENT ITEMS. BUT FOR PUBLIC HEARING, THERE'S NOT A ZONE IN CASE THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT WE THINK IS READY TO BE NOTICED. IN THE OTHER PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON THE, UH, THE RATES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST. WHEN'S THAT SLATED TO HAPPEN? IS THAT THIS MEETING OR IS THAT THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL? YOU KNOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT POSITIVE WHEN IT'S GONNA BE, UHR ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. YEAH THERE'S STILL WORKING ON PIECES OF THAT WERE ALSO GOING RIGHT NOW, THROUGH THE PROCESS OF UPDATING, POTENTIALLY UPDATING OUR IMPACT FEES. WATER WASTE WATER. UM THAT'S PROBABLY A SIX MONTH PROCESS. SO YOU WON'T SEE THAT FOR A WHILE. UM, MY BEST ESTIMATED THIS POINT WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S PROBABLY TWO MORE MEETINGS BEFORE YOU'LL SEE THE FIRST PLACE MAY CORRECT, OK? CORRECT.
SO NOW WE CAN HAVE SOMEBODY COME AND EXPLAIN WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS. IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THIS NEXT MEETING, SINCE IT LOOKS LIKE THE SECOND IS GONNA BE PRETTY LATE. I COULD GET YOU IN TO COME AND IN TACT ABOUT WHAT IT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. HE BASICALLY GONNA GET TO HELP PICK THE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING FORWARD, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PRETTY COOL. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GOOD TO HAVE IT AT SOME POINT IN TIME. THIS MEETING OR THE SECOND ONE IN APRIL? UH, SURE. BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO WHEN WOULD WE SEE THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS ZONE? CASE THAT I MEAN THIS, UH PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE JUST I IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW QUICKLY THEY GET IT TO US. UM BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO TO PNZ NOT P AND Z. I HAVE TO GO TO TOWN COUNCIL ON THE 16TH. SO IT'D BE SOMETIME AFTER THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE LIKE THE 23RD. I THINK THAT'S THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL. THIRD GRADER. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THEIR INTENT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST IF THEY LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING . I THINK THE CAR IS TALKING ABOUT WHEN Y'ALL WOULD SEE IT TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT. AS SOON AS WE GET IT, WE CAN SEND IT TO YOU ALL TO ACTUALLY START REVIEWING IT AND GIVE US ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. FROM AN INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVE. WE CAN'T YOU KNOW, HAVE A VOTE ON IT BECAUSE IT IT HAS TO GO TO THE UP HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL FIRST, BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT, AND THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO THAT. GET IT DONE SOONER THAN LATER. IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HELP THEM GET THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT A LITTLE BIT EARLY, SO IT'S NOT PUSHING THEM. IT'S ACTUALLY HELPING THEM TO GET THAT EARLIER, SO WE'LL WE'LL SEND IT AS SOON AS WE GET IT. BUT WHEN YOU SEND US THE SITE PLAN, DO YOU THEN HAVE TO PUBLICLY POST IT. SO WHEN IT COMES FROM STAFF TO US, DOES IT SIMULTANEOUSLY NEED TO BE POSTED FOR PUBLIC REVEAL. THERE'D BE NO DIFFERENT FROM US TAKING IT BRINGING IT TO YOU AND DOING A WORKSHOP ON IT. DEPENDING ON WHEN WE GET IT. WE MIGHT ACTUALLY DO THAT. YOU KNOW, YOU JUST CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON IT, BUT CERTAINLY CAN TALK ABOUT IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTARY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN ALL MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HARRIS TO ADJOURN TO THAT SECOND SECOND COMMISSIONER CARSON ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO ADJOURN. UH, 6 TO 0. WE
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ARE ADJOURNED. 7:33 P.M. THANK YOU.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.