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GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 20TH 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER AT 6:02 P.M. ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING, BUT COMMISSIONER CARSON IS EN ROUTE AND SHOULD ARRIVE HERE MOMENTARILY. ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION. THOSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST COMPLETE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
REQUEST FORM LOCATED ON THE TOWN WEBSITE OR IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. IF YOU'RE ATTENDING IN PERSON, PLEASE SUBMIT THIS FORM TO THE BOARD CHAIR OR STAFF MEMBER PRIOR TO THE MEETING. WHEN CALLED UPON, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ITEM NUMBER TWO THIS EVENING IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE. TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC OR TO SAY IS LITIGATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE. LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ITEM NUMBER THREE THIS EVENING IS WE NEED TO APPOINT A
[3. Election of Officers.]
SECRETARY, UH, FOR THE REMAINING TERM HERE. SO UM, AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONERS ALL ENTERTAIN ANY EMOTIONS FOR MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE SECRETARY POSITION. I NOMINATE JOSH COMMISSIONER JOSH CHARLES. JOSH CARSON CARSON. FOR THE SAY. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COMMISSIONER HARRIS TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER JOSH CARSON FOR THE SECRETARY POSITION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I SECOND IT. I'LL MAKE FUN OF HIM WHEN HE GETS HERE. CONSIDERING THAT HE'S NOT HERE, SO I LOST A VOTE THERE. SO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING COMMISSIONER CARSON AS SECRETARY. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. AND THE MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. UH, COMMISSIONER CARSON WILL NOW BE SECRETARY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. MOVING ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING.[CONSENT AGENDA]
WANT CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR. WE HAVE ITEMS FOR A THROUGH 4H THIS EVENING.UH, FOR APPROVAL. DID ANY COMMISSIONERS WANT ANY CONSIDERED GENDER ITEMS THIS EVENING. CHAIR MOVE. UH, I'M ASKING FOR US TO PULL. UM FOUR F. FOUR F. THAT'S THE CORRECT ONE. I MAKE. MAKE SURE OR AFTER FOUR. ACTUALLY FOR LET'S SEE IS IT? WE'RE AT FOUR. G. DOES IT MATTER? I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS. I THINK MY SITE PLAN OR THE FINAL PLAN. WHERE SHOULD THAT BE? DC. FINAL CLAP AND I MOVE, UH OR NOT MOVE. ALL FOUR G . OK, SO COMMISSIONER BLANSETT WANTS TO PULL OUT A FOUR G ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO WANT TO PULL ANYTHING? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ANY OTHER CONCERN GENES. I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER FOUR A FOUR B FOUR C FOUR D FOUR E FOUR F AND 4H. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HAMILTON TO APPROVE THOSE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE A SECOND A SECOND . WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES, ALL THOSE IN A IN FAVOR OF APPROVING CONSENTS FOR A FOR B FOUR. C FOUR D FOUR E. FOUR F AND 4H, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE CONSIDER ITEMS ARE APPROVED 6 TO 0. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF TO REVIEW A FOUR G. THANK YOU,
[4g. Consider and act upon a request for a Final Plat for Raymond Community Park, Block 1, Lot 1, on 69.5± acres, located on the northwest corner of Coit Road and First Street. (DEVAPP-23-0204)]
COMMISSIONER. UM, THIS THIS ITEM IS IN REGARDS TO A FINAL PLOT FOR PARK BEING DEVELOPED AT FIRST STREET AND COIT ROAD, AND, UM, I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. MY ONLY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A DE GOING TO BE A DECELERATION LANE INTO THE PARK ON, UH, COURT ROAD? YES, THERE WILL BE, UM, IT IS NOT BEING BUILT AT THIS TIME, BUT WILL BE BUILT WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR CU ROAD SO IT WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE IT. IN THIS PLAQUE. THEN AT THIS TIME, THAT'S CORRECT. AND UM, TYPICALLY THOSE, UH, DECELERATION LANES ARE USUALLY BUILT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY ANYWAY, SO IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT NEED ANY KIND OF EASEMENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON FOUR G? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON FOUR G. UH I MEAN, WE APPROVE ITEM FOUR. G UH, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BLANT . DO WE HAVE A SECOND ONE SECOND SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON ON FOUR G ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM FOUR. G, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.[00:05:03]
ON THE MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. CITIZEN COMMENTS. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC. HOWEVER THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT, REQUEST FORM AND PRESENT IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING. DID WE HAVE ANY FORMS FILLED OUT FOR THE MEETING THIS EVENING AT THIS TIME? YEAH. OK, I'LL TAKE THAT AS A NO. AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AUTUMN. REGULAR[5. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request for a Specific Use Permit for a Child Care Center, Licensed use on 9.7± acres, on Collin County School Land Survey, Abstract 147, Tracts 145, 168, and 172, located 305’ south of First Street and 0’ east of Church Street. (ZONE-23-0035)]
AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THIS IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER. LICENSE USED ON 9.7 ACRES ON COLLIN COUNTY SCHOOL AND SURVEY. ABSTRACT 147. 1, 45, 1, 68 AND 172, LOCATED THREE AND A 305 FT SOUTH OF FIRST STREET AND 0 FT. EAST OF CHURCH STREET. THIS IS CASE ZONE DASH 23-0035. OK, UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION. UH, SO THIS CASE IS AN SP FOR, UH, LICENSED CHILDCARE CENTER AT FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH. UM, HERE IS THE AERIAL VIEW. UH, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY. UM, HERE'S THE ZONING. UM IN NEXT SLIDE IS A CHART THAT KIND OF SHOWS US AROUND THE AREA, SO THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY OF 15 CURRENTLY IN USE AS HOUSE OF WORSHIP FOR HIS BAPTIST, UH, TO THE NORTH IS DOWNTOWN OFFICE. RIGHT HERE. AND THAT IS A FAMILY RESOURCE CENTER OPERATED BY PISD, UM TO THE EAST IS RUCKER ELEMENTARY. UM AND THEN TO THE SOUTH. IS THE FIRST PHASE OF STARVIEW THAT IS CURRENTLY VACANT. HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED YET. UM AND THEN THIS IS GONNA BE RIGHT HERE TO THE WEST. THE SECOND PHASE OF STARVIEW AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE CHART THERE. UM, SO THE PROPOSAL IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A LICENSED CHILDCARE CENTER. UM, THAT IS CONDUCTED OUT OF BOTH THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE PORTABLE BUILDING. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO TEMPORARY BUILDING ON THE SITE AND THE PORTAL BUILDING IS ALSO USED FOR CHURCH PURPOSES AS WELL. UM, HERE IS A LAYOUT OF SITE ON THE LEFT. UM THERE'S JUST A LAD OF THE WHOLE AREA AND THEN ON FIVE, THIS KIND OF THE ZOOMED IN VERSION TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE ALL THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ARE CURRENTLY AT SO IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, FOR THE CHILDCARE CENTER LICENSE USED, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR A LICENSE CHILDCARE CENTER THAT IS NOT OPERATED BY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM AND THEN FOR TEMPORARY BUILDINGS OR TEMPORARY BUILDINGS ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT FOR HOUSE OF WORSHIP. HOWEVER THEY REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE USE, WHICH WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS, UM AND THEN PERMITS FOR HOUSE OF WORSHIP TEMPORARY BUILDINGS LAST FOR THREE YEARS, AND ONE YEAR EXTENSION CAN BE GRANTED AT THE END OF THREE YEAR TERM. AND THIS MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU SEE THE HISTORY, UM SO THE HISTORY UH CHILDCARE CENTER LICENSE USE, UH, FIRST FRIENDS. PRESCHOOL HAS BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE 2016 AND THAT TEMPORARY BUILDING WAS FIRST PERMITTED IN 2016. THEN AGAIN IN 2019. I HAD A ONEYEAR EXTENSION THAT WAS GRANTED IN 2022, AND THAT KIND OF MATCHES UP WITH THE BLAST BULLET POINTS ON THE DIPPER BUILDINGS FOR HOUSES OF WORSHIP, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS CONSIDERED AT PREVIOUSLY. UM AND THEN OUR DETERMINATION WHEN THEY CAME BACK IN 2023 TO GET ANOTHER THREE YEAR EXTENSION ON THAT TEMPORARY BUILDING FOR THE HOUSE OF WORSHIP. UH, WE DETERMINE THAT A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE LICENSED CHILDCARE CENTER. UM SO SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, THE FIRST CONDITION IS THAT THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WILL EXPIRE, UH, TWO YEARS AFTER TOWN COUNCIL APPROVAL, UM, THE SECOND CONDITION AND THIS ONE WILL BE ADMITTED FOR MORE. HOW IT SHOWN ON THE POWERPOINT. UH, THE TEMPORARY BUILDING WILL BE REMOVED, UM, ONCE THE SPECIFIC EAST PERMIT EXPIRES AND THEN CONDITION NUMBER THREE IS UPON EXPIRATION OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. UH, A ONE YEAR EXTENSION MAY BE GRANTED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. IF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE, AND YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON WHAT PROGRESS IS, UM WHEN WE EVALUATE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS. UH, WE EVALUATE THEM BY FOUR SPECIFIC CRITERIA. UH, THE FIRST IS THE USE OF HARMONIOUS AND COMPATIBLE WITH ITS SURROUNDING EXISTING OR PROPOSED USES. WE'VE DETERMINED THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENT EDUCATIONAL USES, UH, THAT SHOW CONSISTENCY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. UM, ARE THE ACTIVITIES REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE REQUESTED USE OTHER CHURCHES SUCH AS UNITED METHODIST SAINT PAUL SAINT MARTIN'S ALL HAVE SEPS FOR SIMILAR USES. UM, IS THE NATURE OF THE USE REASONABLE. UH, BECAUSE OF ONE THE CONSISTENCY OF THE SURROUNDING USES AND THE COMMON ASSOCIATION WITH CHURCHES WE DEEM THAT IS REASONABLE. UM AND HAS ANY IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT MITIGATED.UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE EXPIRATION DATE, UH, SHOULD CAUSE THE PERMANENT STRUCTURE TO BE CONSTRUCTED. UM, CLOSE TO THAT TIME FRAME. UM WITH THAT, UH, THE CONCLUSION NOTICES WERE SENT OUT FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 9TH, UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CITIZEN RESPONSE AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS SP WITH THE SUBJECT. UH, THREE CONDITIONS THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, UM I WILL NOW TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE FOR ME. UH PROCESS POINTS. UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT SECRETARY CARSON ARRIVED AT 6:09 P.M. THIS EVENING. CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR
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FORM THERE. UH, THANKS FOR REVIEWING THAT. WHEN IS THIS CASE SCHEDULED TO GO TO TOWN COUNCIL? UH, THIS CASE IS SCHEDULED TO GO TO TOWN COUNCIL ON THE SECOND MEETING IN MARCH.I THINK THAT WOULD BE WE ACTUALLY KNOW THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH. UH, THAT WOULD BE THE 12TH. I BELIEVE. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR THAT PRESENTATION. QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF. AT THIS TIME, MR CHAIRMAN, UH AGAIN. I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SPECIFICALLY ON THIS . THIS ITEM. WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT ARE DISCUSSING THAT AS AN SUP FOR OPERATION OF A DAYCARE. IT IS NOT AN SUP. FOR THE TEMPORARY BUILDING. NO BUT THERE ARE CONDITIONS TOWARDS THE TEMPORARY BUILDING WITHIN THE SUP I OK, I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, BUT I JUST I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS THEY HAD GRANTED IN 2016 2019. WORLD 22. THEY GOT A ONE YEAR EXTENSION. SO THAT ONE YEAR EXTENSION IT WAS EXPIRED IN 2023. I SUPPOSE SO. THERE IS NOT AN SP FOR THE TEMPORARY BUILDING NOW AT ALL, NO AND ARE YOU SAYING IS STAFF SAYING THAT THE APPROVAL OF AN S FOR THE DAYCARE CENTER. AND TO BE OPERATED ANYWHERE ON THIS PROPERTY. EQUATES TO AN, UH TO THE RIGHT TO OPERATE A TEMPORARY BUILDING.
WELL, THE CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE PUTTING FORTH ALLOW, UM, FOR THIS PERIOD FOR YOU, THEN THEY STILL CONDUCT THAT USE OUT OF THAT TEMPORARY BUILDING. PURELY ON THE BASIS OF THE CONDITIONS.
ON THE BASIS OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. AND AGAIN. HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND THIS, UH SO CHURCH HAS THE RIGHT TO OPERATE A TEMPORARY HAVE A TEMPORARY BUILDING. SOLELY BY REASON OF IT BEING A CHURCH. IT'S A IT'S MY RIGHT UNLESS THEY'RE USING IT FOR A. PRIOR TO CALLING IN PRIVATE FOR A PRIVATE PURPOSE. YES. AND A PRIVATE PERP. I MEAN, I WOULD ASSUME CHURCH OPERATING AS A CHURCH AS A PRIVATE, RIGHT. IT'S NOT PUBLIC, SO BUT BUT YOUR DEFINITION OF A PRIVATE PURPOSE COMPARED TO USING IT FOR CHURCH PURPOSES. WHAT'S OUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT I MEAN ANYBODY COULD GO AND ATTEND. UM THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH BECAUSE THEY, UM. THAT'S UP TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT FROM THIS, I GUESS IT'S A PRIVATE SCHOOL OR A PRIVATE DAYCARE LIKE THAT HAS TO BE LIKE A LIST OF KIDS THAT GO THERE. AND SO THAT MAKES IT MORE PRIVATE THAN ANYONE COULD GO. OK? OK, THANK YOU. JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME. THANKS FOR THE REVIEW. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AT HOME ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AND SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THE APPLICANTS HERE THIS EVENING AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE OR HAS A PRESENTATION. WE HERE. JUST ASK A STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM. CASEY MCB, UM, WITH CROSS ENGINEERING, UH, YOU SAID ADDRESS 1720, WEST VIRGINIA STREET. MCKINNEY, TEXAS. AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PRESENTATION. UM I CAN I CAN HELP CLARIFY AS TO SORT OF THE REASON WHY THE SUP IS BEING ASKED IF NEEDED, UM THERE WAS A THERE WAS A PROJECT IN PLACE, UH, TO PROPOSE AND CONSTRUCT A MORE OF A PERMANENT STRUCTURE OF AN ACADEMIC BUILDING THAT, UM, GIVEN THE KIND OF THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE WAS CAUSING SOME UNIQUE CHALLENGES FOR ACCESS. WE WERE HAVING TO RUN SORT OF DUAL STREETS IN ORDER TO GET FIRE ACCESS PROPERLY, BUT WITH THE WITH THE BLUE STAR DEVELOPMENT COMING ON BOARD, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PROPOSING. A CONNECTION TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS GONNA MAKE ACCESS MUCH MORE. UM LOGISTICALLY, I GUESS CLEANER WE'RE GONNA HAVE CHURCH STREET AND THEN AN ACCESS. I GUESS IT'S GALILEO DRIVE THERE THAT WILL MAKE THAT WHEREAS BEFORE WE WERE HAVING TO GO UP. CHURCH STREET BASICALLY TWICE UM SO THE CHURCH IS THE CHURCH DECIDED MAYBE TO PUT OUR PROJECT ON HOLD WHILE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PUT IN PLACE, AND THEN ONCE GALILEO YOU KNOW THAT CONNECTION IS IN PLACE AND THEN PICK THE PROJECT UP AND THEN COME BACK TO THE TOWN WITH WITH THAT, AND SO IN THE MEANTIME, THE SUP WAS PUT FORTH TO SORT OF CARRY THAT USE. UNTIL UNTIL THE PERMANENT STRUCTURE COULD BE CONSTRUCTED. APPRECIATE APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION OF SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE QUESTIONS. UH, SO I'LL PUT IT UP. DO YOU HAVE A, UM IS THERE A DEFINITE TIMELINE ON THAT? ADDITION ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PHASE TWO
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INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW THE STREETS AND IS ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN ABOUT TWO YEARS . THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE WERE HOPING FOR THAT THAT TWO YEAR WOULD GIVE US TIME TO START IN THE DELAYS OCCURRED THEN MAYBE THAT ONE YEAR EXTENSION WOULD ALLOW US TO GET THROUGH APPROVAL AND YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY BE BE IN PLACE OR AT LEAST SHOW ENOUGH PROGRESS TO SH TO FOR THE TOWN TO ALLOW YOU KNOW ITS CONTINUED USE WHILE THE STRUCTURE WAS COMPLETED. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT AT THE MERCY OF THE BLUE STAR DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW? THEY THEY BUILD QUICK, SO WE'RE WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT. IT'LL BE. IT'LL BE SMOOTH AND FAST. DO YOU HAVE ANY? UH, YEAH, WELL, YEAH, I THINK SO. LET ME LET ME JUST AND I THINK YOU SAID IT, BUT I WANNA HEAR IT AGAIN, I GUESS. SO YOU BELIEVE SUBJECT TO BLUE STAR GETTING IT DOING BEING ON TIME.AS BASED UPON THE SCHEDULE, YOU UNDERSTAND? THAT CHURCH COULD REPLACE THE TEMPORARY BUILDING WITH A PERMANENT BUILDING. WITHIN. 2 TO 3 YEARS IS THAT ACTUALLY FEASIBLE? I DO NOT KNOW IF THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE 100% COMPLETED IN THAT TIME, I. I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM I THINK THE. THE GOAL OF HAVING THE PROJECT. MAYBE AT LEAST APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION. AT THAT TIME. I IS REASONABLE NOW WHERE THAT LEAVES THEM BETWEEN. THE START OF CONSTRUCTION AND END OF CONSTRUCTION. THERE MAY BE A GAP THAT MAYBE THERE MAYBE WE'RE APPLYING FOR ONE MORE. S IN THREE YEARS' TIME. UH, UNTIL CONSTRUCTIONS. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT, UM YEAH, I THINK I THINK HAVING THE BUILDING COMPLETED WITHIN THREE YEARS, IS PROBABLY OPTIMISTIC. HOPE IS TO HAVE MAYBE THE BUILDING PERMIT, YOU KNOW IN HAND BY THEN. AND YOUR CONSTRUCTION PERMIT RATHER OK AND YOUR ABILITY TO IN PART OF THE. UH PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THIS PERMANENT BUILDING WAS YOU NEEDED A ANOTHER ACCESS POINT OUT OF THE OUT OF THE PROPERTY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IS THAT SO TODAY? CHURCH STREET IS AN INSUFFICIENT ROAD. UH TO BE CONSIDERED A FIRE LANE FOR YOU KNOW, ONCE ONCE THEY DO A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY, WE HAVE TO BRING THE SITE UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS AND SO CHURCH STREET ALONE. IS IT DOESN'T MEET FIRE LINE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS. AND IN ORDER TO GET THAT WE BASICALLY HAVE TO RUN A PARALLEL ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT KIND OF PANHANDLE PIECE. UM. WHICH WE WERE PROPOSING UNTIL WE FOUND OUT THAT BLUE STAR WAS COMING IN, UH, NEAR GALILEO, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE TON OF KIND OF REDUNDANT. NOT REALLY NEEDED FIRE LANE. UM. AND SO THEY DECIDED TO KIND OF SHELVE THE PROJECT WHILE THEY FIND FINE TUNED AND FINALIZE THAT LOCATION OF THAT CONNECTION. SO I'M SORRY DID YOU HAVE DID YOU HAVE A LEMON? UH, I WAS GONNA ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION, BUT GO AHEAD. UH, SO CURRENTLY IS THE TEMPORARY BUILDING THAT YOU'VE GOT ONLY USED FOR THE DAYCARE. I DO NOT KNOW, UM, THE OPERATIONS ON ON THE CIVIL ENGINEER, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY USE THAT FOR OTHER. I WOULD TELL YOU. YES, BUT I DON'T WANNA YOU TELL YOU INCORRECTLY. I THINK THAT'S ALL THEY USE IT FOR, BUT THEY MAY USE IT FOR OTHER ADMIN. OR OTHER. I'M NOT SURE. AND DO YOU KNOW IF THE PERMANENT BUILDING THEY'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING IS SOLELY FOR THE DAYCARE, OR WILL IT BE USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES? IT AT LEAST A LARGE. I? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING. I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THAT BUILDING WAS DEDICATED CLASSROOMS. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME OFFICE SPACE. IN IT. BUT I, I BELIEVE THE PRIMARY INTENT WAS FOR THAT BUILDING TO BE A SCHOOL OR A DAYCARE TYPE. I SAY CLASSROOM BUT DAYCARE ROOMS. IT'S A DAYCARE, BUT THEY DO HAVE SORT OF A, UM SO CRITERIA. WHAT? WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT? A, UM THEY THEY TEACH, UH, CURRICULUM. THERE YOU GO. I IT'S A I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A FORMAL CURRICULUM, BUT THEY DO KIND OF HAVE A STRUCTURE TO IT. IT'S NOT JUST SORT OF AND THE CHURCH AND YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED. FOR THIS GRANTING OF THIS SUP BY THE BY THE TOWN STAFF. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THOSE PRECONDITIONS AND YOUR AND THE CHURCH IS OK WITH THOSE VACATIONS. ARE. ARE YOU OK WITH THE CHANGE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSE STAFF IS PROPOSING A CHANGE IN CONDITION TO SAY THAT THE TEMPORARY BILL WILL BE REMOVED.
AT THE END OF THIS SUP AT THE END OF THE TWO YEARS WHEN THE S AND P EXPIRES. ARE YOU OK WITH
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THAT? I THINK I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE WELL IN OUR PLANS THAT WE HAD PREPARED BEFORE THE TEMPORARY BUILDING WAS IN WAS INTENDED TO BE REMOVED. I THINK THE CHURCH WOULD PROBABLY ASK THAT THAT THAT BUILDING WILL BE REMOVED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW BUILDING. I. I DON'T IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO BE LEFT WITHOUT A BUILDING, BUT BUT THAT IS THE FULL INTENT IS WITH THE NEW ACADEMIC BUILDING THEY'RE BUILDING. AT THAT OTHER TEMPORARY BUILDING WOULD BE REMOVED. AS PART OF THAT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. I GOT A QUICK QUESTION. SO FROM A CONSTRUCTION TIMING STANDPOINT.THE PERMANENT BUILDINGS TO REPLACE THOSE TEMPORARY BUILDINGS THAT CONSTRUCTION WILL NOT BEGIN UNTIL THOSE ACCESS ROADS ARE COMPLETED. SO THAT ACCESS ROAD FROM GALILEO AND WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA, ADDITIONALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING TO CHURCH ROAD. SO WHEN THAT'S DONE THEN CONSTRUCTION ON THE PERMANENT BUILDINGS WILL BEGIN. IT CANNOT BEGIN UNTIL THEN, BECAUSE IT'S NOT. THE AREA IS NOT UP TO CODE. RIGHT. SO THE PROJECT. SO WHEN THAT BUILDING IS PROPOSED, IT'LL BE SORT OF SOUTH OF THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, CHURCH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE THAT EXISTING PARKING LOT IS, IS WHERE IT WILL. THAT'S WHERE THE NEW BUILDING WILL GO WITH THAT THERE'LL BE SOME PROPOSED PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE AND THEN WHERE CHURCH STREET IS THAT WILL BE REPLACED WITH A NEW 24 FT. FIRE LANE. AND THEN. SO WE CAN DO THAT AT ANY POINT. IT WAS THE SECOND POINT OF ACCESS THAT SORT OF ONCE WE THEY, I THINK THEY CHOSE TO. THEY WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THAT ONE WAS IN PLACE. THAT WAY. WE DIDN'T START A PROJECT AGAIN AND THEN YOU KNOW, BLUE STAR MOVES IT ON US. THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE IF ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING CONCURRENTLY, THEN EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE A STRETCH. THREE YEARS IS YOU KNOW , THERE IS SOME PERCENTAGE OF POSSIBILITY THERE. IF THESE THINGS ARE NOT HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH. HALF OF THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE STREETS NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE YOU BEGIN THREE YEARS ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE'RE GONNA NEED. I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE TEMPORARY BUILDINGS OUT THERE FOR A MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS, PROBABLY MOST LIKELY MORE. AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME. I KNOW YOU JOSH KNOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO. BUT THIS IS SOUNDING LIKE AT A MINIMUM OF FOUR OR FIVE YEAR THING, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE BECAUSE THOSE STREETS WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT WE'RE WE'RE EXPANDING STREETS AND ALL THAT STUFF NOW, AND IT'S TAKEN A PRETTY DECENT AMOUNT OF TIME JUST TO DO THAT. UH, SO I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I THINK THAT THAT'S A I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON ON WHEN THAT WHEN THAT SECTION IS GONNA STARTED. OK? IN HERE. THE OTHER PIECE, TOO, IS, UM I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HE IS. DO WE HAVE ANY MONEY FROM THE, UH, CHURCH AND THE ADMINISTRATOR? I THOUGHT THAT THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA BE HERE. BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY MADE IT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, UM COMMISSIONER HAD GLENN HAD EARLIER I THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED COULD HAVE BEEN YOU KNOW? ANSWERED A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED BY, UH CHURCH STAFF. UM I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AS MUCH AS YOU CAN, BUT, UH, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS AROUND AGAIN USE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE ASKING THAT MEET SOMEONE FROM FROM THE, UH, STATURE STAFF TO BE HERE TO KIND OF ANSWER SOME OF THAT, BUT UM OK. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, FOR THE APPLICANT I. I JUST HAVE MORE Y'ALL. Y'ALL DO HAVE BUILDING PLANS TODAY. I MEAN, THERE'S ACTIVE PLANS THAT THE CHURCH HAS. YES, SO THEY THEY DO FOLLOW KIND OF THE OLD. THEORY OF HAVING THE DUAL LANE BUT THE MAIN SITE ITSELF IS STILL IN THE BUILDING. THE PLANS ARE THERE THEY'RE READY TO GO. WE HAD ACTUALLY SUBMITTED AN SUP FOR THAT. A ACTUAL PROJECT, BUT IT IT'S SORT OF YOU KNOW IT STALLED OUT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES, BUT YES, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. THE. AT THIS TIME. WELL, I DO HAVE I'M GONNA REASK ANOTHER. I WANT TO RE ASK A QUESTION. AND I JUST I'M BECAUSE I'M UM. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME. BECAUSE AS AS MR HARRIS SAID THAT WE'RE, UM THREE YEARS. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRE YOU TO REMOVE THE TEMPORARY BUILDING WHEN THE SEP EXPIRES IS KIND OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, AND THAT'S TWO YEARS WITH A POSSIBLE ONE YEAR OF EXPENSE EXTENSION, SO THAT'S THREE TOTAL YEARS. AND YET. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD BUILD THE BUILDING IN THAT THREE YEAR TIME PERIOD, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN A PART OF IT IS AT THE MERCY OF A THIRD PARTY THAT YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER SO THAT GIVES ME SOME PAUSE AS WELL. SO UM, SO I JUST I JUST WANT TO
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MAKE SURE THE CHURCH UNDERSTANDS THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED. AND THEY HAVE BEEN OK WITH THOSE CONDITIONS. AS THEY'VE BEEN PROPOSED BY THE CHIEF TO MY KNOWLEDGE THEY ARE.I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE AWARE OF THE ITEM NUMBER TWO CHANGE. THEY WOULDN'T BE. I WOULDN'T THINK SO. OK? OK, SO THAT ONE I YOU KNOW IF I WENT BACK TONIGHT AND MENTION THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT. THAT CHANGE. I WILL SAY, TOO, THAT IF GALILEO OR IF THEY FIND THAT THAT CONNECTION IS PUT IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, I THINK THEY WOULD CONSIDERABLY.
MOVE UP THERE. THEY YOU KNOW, I THINK THE HESITATION ON THEIR PART NOW IS JUST HAVING THAT ACCESS IN PLACE. THEY DON'T WANT TO. GO DOWN A ROAD AND THEN HAVE SOMETHING MOVE ON THEM AGAIN.
THE ISSUE IS. WE AS A AS A AS A TOWN AND ITS COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TEMPORARY BUILDING. LIKE IT TO A PERMANENT BUILDING. YES, AND THEN THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE PROGRESS IS BEING MADE ON THAT AND BUT ALSO WANT TO BE I WANT IT TO BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THAT DONE SO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. WHERE THE CHURCH IS ON THIS IF THE SUP WERE TO EXPIRE IN THREE YEARS WITH WOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO RE FLY. OR ANOTHER ONE. OR SAY. ONE YEAR OR TWO YEARS, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS THE ANSWER THAT. BUT I THINK THAT'S I THINK, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE DOING. I THINK TOWN STAFF MENTIONED THAT WE'RE ON YEAR EIGHT. CURRENTLY WITH THE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, SO IN ADDITION TO THAT IS NOT THREE YEARS IT'S 11 YEARS. THEN IT'S 1113 YEARS OF HAVING. OUT IN THIS AREA. THESE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES KIND OF SITTING THERE AND WITHOUT A CONCRETE PLAN TO GET THEM OFF NOW, IF WE AND THAT'S KIND OF I THINK WHAT WHAT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ARE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT. OK, WHAT? WHAT IS THE PLAN TO GET THESE OFF? AND KNOWING WHAT THAT TIMELINE LOOKS LIKE? UM SO I THINK IF THE IDEA IS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO GET THOSE TEMPORARY BUILDINGS. OUT OF THE WAY AND GET THAT PERMANENT BUILDING KIND OF STARTED. THE CIVIL PLANS THAT WE HAVE PREPARED. DO SHOW ON THE DEMOLITION PLAN THAT THE REMOVAL OF IT, IT'S INTENDED. THEY'RE ALL INTENDED TO BE REMOVED WITH THE NEW BUILDING. THAT'S BEEN THE GOAL. ONCE YOU GUYS START OUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. ANY MEMBERS. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T MANY MEMBERS OF THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING. WANNA SPEAK? APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE? APPRECIATE THE DETAIL. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OK, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AND I'LL TAKE YOU BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION. I'M A SO NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON UM, THE INFORMATION ABOUT GALILEO DRIVE CONNECTING IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH WE START. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE NECESSARILY NORMALLY, WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, YOU SEE, LIKE A STUB, AND THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT BY THIS DRAWING WELL ON THE PLAT FOR I THINK BOTH OF THESE PHASES WERE APPROVED. UM, LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE IN 2023, AND THEY DIDN'T SHOW THAT CONNECTION, SO THAT WOULD BE BASED OFF CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD BETWEEN, UM THE CHURCH AND BLUE STAR, BUT STAFF IS NOT NECESSARILY AWARE OF THAT AGREEMENT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS NOT THAT WAS THAT WAS NEWLY INFORMATION AS FAR AS YOU ARE CONCERNED, COMPARED TO THE DIALOGUE THAT YOU'VE HAD IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE WERE AWARE ABOUT LIKE THEY NEEDED TWO POINTS OF ACCESS. BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH BLUE STAR. SO THAT'S BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND BLUE STAR ABOUT THAT, OK? THANK YOU. DO WE DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA START CUTTING ROADS ON THIS PHASE? UM I DON'T KNOW THAT INFORMATION SO I ASSUME SOON BECAUSE THE PLOT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR, BUT I COULDN'T SPEAK TO EXACTLY WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BREAK AROUND ON THOSE ROADS. ARE THE CHANGES TO THOSE ROLES, OR AT LEAST A PERCENTAGE OF THAT CHANGE REQUIRED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, MEANING ALL THOSE ACCESS POINTS. UM. FIRE AND FIRE AND ALL THAT STUFF IS THAT STUFF REQUIRED FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ON THAT BUILDING, OR CAN THEY START TOMORROW? WITHOUT THOSE THINGS BEING DONE? THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS, AND OUR FIRE MARSHAL WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S TWO POINTS OF ACCESS THAT ARE, UM UP TO PAR CODE BEFORE THE STRUCTURE CORRECT BEFORE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION SO THEY COULD GET A BUILDING PERMIT. WITHOUT THAT APPROVAL. WOULD IT MEET AND WOULD THEY NEED TO BE COMPLETED? FULLY COMPLETED BEFORE THE FIRE MARSHAL CAN THEN APPROVE IT, AND THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO GO
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THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE BUILDING. YES, I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW IT WOULD GO SO THEY WOULD NEED TO AND THEIR SITE PLAN. THEY WOULD NEED TO SHOW THAT THE CONNECTION IS THERE AND THE FIRE MARSHAL WOULD NEED TO VERIFY THAT THAT CONNECTION IS UP TO FIRE CODE. UM THEN WE COULD GO WITH THEIR SITE PLAN. THEN THEY GET THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, BUT THEY COULDN'T PULL PERMITS FOR ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET TO KNOW WHAT THE ACCESS IS GOING TO BE. ISN'T THE SORRY? NO, YOU GOOD ISN'T THE I'M KIND OF JUMPING TO THE END, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. ISN'T THE SITE PLAN? DIDN'T WE APPROVE THAT? DID DID IT GO ALL THE WAY UP FOR THAT WEST HALF OR GALILEO IS I WOULD THINK THE TOWN WOULD I DON'T RECALL SEEING. I KNOW WE PROVED A SITE PLAN FOR THE BOTTOM PORTION. I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW FAR WEST IT WENT. OH, YES, I'VE HEARD THAT YOU ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT STARVIEW? I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE GALILEO DRIVE IS AND WHAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS SAYING WHERE IT'S GONNA CONNECT INTO CHURCH? YEAH I. I LIKE A ON THE FACE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PHASE TWO OF STARVIEW. THE CONNECTION HAS NOT SHOWN ON THE PLOT THAT PD APPROVED. I WAS TRYING TO FIND SO IT'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND BLUE STAR. BUT AGAIN, STAFF HAS NOT SEEN THOSE PLANS. I WOULD THINK TOWN WOULD HAVE AN OPINION OF IF YOU WANT TRAFFIC PUSHING OUT THROUGH TO CHURCH THROUGH THAT CONNECTION THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S WHY WE GIVE A PERMIT BECAUSE OUR FIRE MARSHAL WOULD NEED TO REVIEW THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S UP TO CODE SO WHEN THEY SUBMIT CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THEIR SITE PLAN AND AS PART OF THE, UM WHENEVER THEY DO, SHOW US WHAT THEIR PLAN IS A FAR MARSHALL NEED TO REVIEW THAT BEFORE ANY PERMITS TO BE PULLED. UM I FORGET THAT. NOW IT IS. YEAH, OK, THERE WE GO. UM I IT'S UNLIKELY THAT GALILEO WOULD ACTUALLY BE A ROAD THAT LEADS INTO THE CHURCH PROPERTY. IT WOULD BE A EMERGENCY. ACCESS FOR EGRESS AND INGRESS, WHICH WITH, UH, PROBABLY A GATE ON IT WITH WHAT WE CALL KNOCK BOXES. Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE. WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THEM BEFORE.UM, THE QUESTION IS GONNA BE IS THERE THEY'RE GONNA BE A LOCATION FOR THAT TO COME IN BECAUSE THAT PERHAPS IS GONNA TAKE THE PLACE OF A LOT THAT'S SITTING RIGHT THERE. UM I IT'S HARD TO SEE WHAT THAT CURVE GALILEO IS, IS IT? YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT'S CALLED A KNUCKLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A IS THAT SORT OF CONFIGURATION. WE DON'T KNOW ANY OF THOSE ANSWERS BECAUSE IT'S UNLIKELY THIS WAS DISCUSSED BEFORE THE, UM BLUE STAR PEOPLE. HAD THIS DRAWN UP AND SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BACK SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SO WE'RE WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY WOULDN'T DO IT BY ANY STRETCH, BUT WE CAN'T TELL YOU HOW THAT THAT WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED AT THE TIME. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ENVISION THE DETAILS AND SUCH OVER THE THREE YEAR PERIOD THAT THEY WOULD GET ASSUMING THAT THAT THIS, UM SP IS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS THEY'D HAD. TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS TO SEE HOW THAT GOES AND ITEM NUMBER THREE CONDITION. NUMBER THREE NUMBER ALLOWS THE EXTENSION OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, WHICH WOULD ALSO INCLUDE BEING ABLE TO, UM HAVE THE BUILDING THERE FOR ANOTHER YEAR BECAUSE THE CONDITION NUMBER TWO IS THAT THE BUILDING THE TEMPORARY BUILDING GOES AWAY WHEN THE, UM EXCUSE ME. SPECIFIC USE PERMIT EXPIRES. AND FUN. THREE YEARS FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS THEY'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS. THEY'VE GOT THE ROAD ACCESS WORKED OUT. THEY'VE GOT THEIR PLANS IN OR THEY MAY EVEN HAVE STARTED CONSTRUCTION BY THEN, THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN EXTEND IT ANOTHER YEAR OR EVEN TWO YEARS. WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION WAS GOING ON THE PLAN, AND I THINK A COUPLE OF YOU HAVE TOUCHED ON IT THAT THIS THE PURPOSE OF THESE CONDITIONS IS ACTUALLY CAUSE DISCUSSION TO OCCUR BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND THE TOWN TO EXPLAIN WHAT PROGRESS IS ACTUALLY GOING ON. SO WE DON'T GET TO THE THREE YEAR PERIOD AND WE'RE SITTING IN THE SAME PLACE THAT WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. WHAT I THINK IS GIVEN. WHAT WE'VE HEARD CONDITION TO IS. IT SORT OF USELESS IN MY OPINION. RIGHT. WE KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE IN TWO YEARS. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AT THE END OF TWO YEARS TO GET AN EXTENSION USE PERMIT. AND IF AT THAT POINT THEY ARE CLOSE TO BEING DONE.
YOU COULD INTRODUCE CONDITION TOO. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, IT'S IRRELEVANT. I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW AND AGAIN, JOSH COMMISSIONER CHARLES CARSON. YOU PROBABLY WOULD KNOW
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BETTER THAN THAN ME BEING IN THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT IF IT'S GONNA TAKE THEM THREE YEARS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET EVEN POTENTIALLY GET THESE ROADS. CHANGED. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF BUILDING APPROVAL, AND THEY MIGHT HAVE THE FIRE MARSHAL COME IN AND GIVE APPROVAL RIGHT BEFORE THEY EVEN BEGIN CONSTRUCTION, SO JUST THE APPROVAL PROCESS COULD TAKE AND YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN ME. BUT WHAT COUPLE OF MONTHS, MAYBE FOR A SITE ■PLAN. IT'S PROBABLY I'D SAY A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS FOR A SITE PLANS AND THEN THEY CAN BEGIN. BREAKING GROUND ON A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PER STRUCTURE GOING TO BE HOW BIG IT'S GONNA BE. I WOULD ASSUME IT'S GONNA TAKE ABOUT 2 TO 3 YEARS TO BUILD IT, MAYBE LESS. MAYBE LESS THAN TWO YEARS. YEAR OR TWO. 18 MONTHS. SOME CHANGE, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM FROM DAY ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT 4.5 MAYBE FIVE YEARS. AND THIS AT BEST COVERS THREE YEARS, TWO YEARS APPROVAL ONE YEAR EXTENSION. AND AT THE END OF THE TWO YEARS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. SO IN MY OPINION I'M FINE WITH IT AS IT IS CONDITIONED. ONE AND CONDITION. UH, CONDITION ONE AND CONDITION THREE ARE THE ONLY CONDITIONS THAT I THINK EVEN MATTER AT THIS POINT. WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THE SECOND YEAR, WE CAN THEN IMPLEMENT CONDITION TWO. AT THAT POINT, IF YOU WANT TO DO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ISN'T FOR ISN'T FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE DAY, SO TWO SEPARATE THINGS BECAUSE AFTER TWO YEARS. LIST WE POOR CONDITION TWO OUT AFTER TWO YEARS AND OR ARE WE SAYING THEY CAN JUST KEEP RUNNING THE DAYCARE? NO NO. NO CONDITION TWO IS JUST IS ONLY ADDRESSING THE TEMPORARY BUILDING. SO RIGHT NOW , WE REALLY I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. THEY'RE GONNA NEED THE TEMPORARY BUILDING, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS. WE KNOW THAT SO IT'S A USELESS PROVISION. WE CAN PUT THAT IN ONCE. WE'VE GOTTEN TO UH, TOWARDS THE END, BUT I I'M FINDING THE WAY IT DOESN'T HURT KEEPING IT IN. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT CHANGES ANYTHING THAT MUCH, BUT IT'S SORT OF LIKE A TOOTHLESS SORT OF THING, RIGHT? BUT DOES IT JUST CONVERSATION? DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO TABLE THIS AND HAVE THE CHURCH COME AND TALK THROUGH? THAT THAT WAS I WE OVERTHINK. I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE EITHER OVERTHINKING IT ON THIS TO COUNCILS BECAUSE I MEAN, IF I LOOK AT THE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC U USE PERMIT FOR CHILDCARE, AND I DON'T WANNA I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE EXPIRED OR ABOUT TO EXPIRE. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THE CHURCH HAS DONE AT THIS POINT, AND WE'VE A LOT OF COMPLICATED FACTORS. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER HARRIS JUST SAID, IS THAT RECONDITION TOO. THE TEMPORARY BUILDING WILL BE REMOVED ONCE THE PERMANENT BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED. IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR CHILD CARE. IT'S CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WE KNOW LIKELY IS GONNA TAKE PROBABLY LONGER THAN TWO OR THREE YEARS. SO UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF APPROVING AND MOVING THIS FORWARD TO COUNCIL. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE SEE WHAT EMOTION IS. THROWN OUT THERE AND SEE WHERE IT GOES. ONCE WE GET TO THAT. ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE IN FAVOR WITH CONDITION TWO OR DON'T CARE OR YOU KNOW WHAT? I? I KIND OF, I THINK COMMISSIONER HARRIS I. I DON'T KNOW. THE CONDITION TO AT THIS TIME IS RELEVANT. PERSONALLY I THINK CONDITIONS ONE AND THREE. GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO. I THINK TOWN COUNCIL IS PROBABLY GONNA DIVE INTO CONDITION TWO AT THAT POINT, UH, POTENTIALLY, BUT, UH, I, I THINK TODAY I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT WITH CONDITION TWO. I DO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I THINK MAYBE YOU'RE OVER COMPLICATING THINGS A LITTLE BIT TODAY, AND IT JUST NEEDS TO BE VERY SPECIFIC. WE'RE DOING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. WE WANT PERMANENT BUILDINGS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEXT PLANNING AND ZONING IN TWO YEARS AND OR THREE YEARS WILL PROBABLY POTENTIALLY BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AGAIN. I, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. IN A SENSE, I THE THING THAT COMPLICATES THIS FOR ME. IS THE FACT THAT IT IS CONDITION NUMBER THREE. WHICH BASICALLY. P, THE DAYCARES SUP. TO THE COMPLETION. OF THE OF THE NEW BUILDING. AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE DOING AN SP FOR THE TEMPORARY BUILDING. AND SAID IT ONLY HAS SO MUCH TIME TO AND THEN WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. IT'S GOT TO BE DONE OR WE'LL GIVE EXTENSION OF PROGRESS IS BEING MADE, THEN THAT'S GREAT. IF THE IF THE BUILDING'S NOT BEING PROGRESSING ENOUGH. THEN. THE DAY CARE SUP IS GONE. AND. AND I REALIZE THAT WE CAN YOU KNOW, I REALIZE WE CAN MAKE THE SUPS CAN HAVE CONDITIONS THAT AREN'T ARE NOT NECESSARILY CONNECTED TOGETHER THAT THAT WAY, BUT THAT ONE. THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS HER BECAUSE THEY CAN RUN A DAYCARE WITHOUT A TEMPORARY BILL. THEY PUT IT IN THEIR REGULAR BILLING, YOU KNOW? THEORETICALLY I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY THE REGULAR BUILDING THE PERMIT BUILDING IS FASHION. BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S[00:40:06]
THE THING. SO THE COMPLICATION TO ME IS, IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS THE CONDITIONS. WELL IN CONDITION THREE. IT REALLY HINGES ON ONE WORD. PROGRESS PROGRESS. IT'S WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF PROGRESS AT THAT POINT IN TIME IN TWO YEARS. AND THAT DEFINITION IS VERY BROAD AND CAN BE INTERPRETED DIFFERENT FROM EVERY ONE OF US UP HERE, PROBABLY AND IF I CAN ADD, THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT WAS LEFT LIKE THAT. SO YOU GUYS CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON WHAT THAT IS. WE DON'T WANNA GIVE A CONCRETE DEFINITION OF WHAT PROGRESS IS THAT KIND OF BOXES YOU IN, SO YOU GUYS CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION OF WHAT PROGRESS IS WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR YOU, RIGHT? IT BECOMES A MUTE POINT EITHER WAY, WHETHER IT'S THERE OR WHETHER IT'S NOT IT'S GONNA COME BACK HERE TO A COMMISSION AT SOME POINT AND THAT COMMISSION BASED ON WHETHER THERE'S PROGRESS OR NOT, WHETHER CONDITION THREE IS THERE OR NOT IS GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION IN TWO YEARS. COULD WE COULD WE NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH CONDITION ONE ONLY WE COULD BECAUSE TO ME CONDITION THREE IS IRRELEVANT. I'M 100% WITH COMMISSIONER HARRIS. THREE YEARS IS NOT GONNA BE I. I EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID SO MY OPINION. IF WE'RE READY, I WOULD I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONDITION ONE ONLY AND LEAVE TWO OR THREE OFF, BUT WE STILL GOT TO THE BUILDING'S BEEN THERE EIGHT YEARS. THAT'S THE STRUCTURE. RIGHT. SO IF WE LEAVE IT OPEN AND WAS UH UH.WELL MY OPINION IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS THEY'RE GOING TO COME ASK 123 MORE YEARS OR CONDITION THREE TIME INTO THIS PROVERBIAL ONE YEAR EXTENSION BUT BASED ON A BUNCH OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I JUST IT'S FAIRLY IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THERE'S NO EXTENSIONS THAT CAN BE MADE. SO I'M THEREFORE BASED ON HISTORY. I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS NOW. SO REAL QUICK PROCESS QUESTION. LET'S SAY WE IF TWO AND THREE ARE GONE, THERE'S ONLY CONDITION ONE. WHEN THEY COME BACK AT THE END OF THE SECOND YEAR, THEY CAN ASK FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT. THEY CAN ASK FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT. THEY CAN ASK FOR A FIVE YEAR EXCEPT THEY CAN ASK FOR WHATEVER I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE OK, SO YEAH, THEN I. YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT I, I WILL SAY LIKE WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR ANYTHING, BUT THEY CAN ASK FOR WHATEVER CONDI MOST LIKELY WE WOULD WELL.
CONDITION THREE WOULD BE INVOKED, IN SOME SENSE, NO MATTER WHETHER IT'S WRITTEN HERE OR NOT, IT WOULD JUST COME TO US AND WE WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT OK. THAT'S GOOD CONVERSATION, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL KIND OF GETTING CLOSER TO MOTION, SO AT THIS TIME, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ENTERTAIN EMOTION ON ADAM? FIVE. THIS EVENING. TO SERVE. I MAKE A MOTION? UH I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE WITH THE CONDITION WITH STAFF CONDITION NUMBER ONE ONLY. OK SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COMMISSIONER BLANSETT ON TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE WITH THE CONDITION ONE. ONLY ASPECT OF THAT APPROVAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND FROM, UH, SECRETARY CARSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, UH, APPROVING ITEM NUMBER FIVE WITH CONDITION ONE ONLY. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND THE MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0 FOR APPROVAL. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'LL BE GOING TO COUNCIL HERE IN A FEW WEEKS AND, UH, BEST OF LUCK WITH THAT
[6. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.]
APPRECIATE STAFF'S TIME ON THAT I DON'T FILE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM. WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM. SIX REVIEW ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND POSSIBLY DIRECT TOWN STAFF TO SCHEDULE TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING. OK? SO FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, FOR THE UPCOMING TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, UH, NEXT WEEK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE'VE GOT THE TEAL PARKWAY RETAIL SUP ORDINANCE AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, IN THE LAKEWOOD PARK CELL TOWER. EP ORDINANCE.UM, BOTH OF THOSE ARE JUST GONNA BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THEN FOR UPCOMING PND MEETING ON TUESDAY, MARCH 5TH, UH, THERE'S PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AT NORTHEAST CORNER OF COLEMAN AND SIX. YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT IT IS READY TO BE NOTICED. UM THIS FRIDAY, UM AND THEN WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT 11 OR NOT, 11 1. AND, UH, THAT IS BROOK HOLLOW. UM THERE IS A, UH. FOR THERE'S A TOWN HOME SECTION OF THAT PD, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED. UM AND SO THEY ARE COMING BEFORE YOU GUYS FOR THAT SECTION OF THE PD TO BE AMENDED ON THE FIFTH. UM, AND THOSE ARE THE TWO PUBLIC HEARING CASES THAT WE HAVE FOR NEXT. NEXT TIME. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? UM, I KNOW WE EXCHANGED SOME EMAILS ON THE PROJECT THAT I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN YET OUT IN FRONT OF LAIMA ON LAMA IN 380. THAT THEY'RE MOVING WELL NEXT TO THE CAR WASH. THEY MOVE MOVED. UM MOVE THE BUNCH OF DIRT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN NOTICED.
AND OR I DON'T THINK WE'VE APPROVED IT. I HAD AN EXPIRED ZIP IF I RECALL OH, YEAH. SO THAT ONE THE NUMBERS? YEAH, THAT ONE IS IN OUR REVIEW PERIOD RIGHT NOW, AND ONCE IT'S READY TO COME BEFORE YOU, IT WILL SIT DOWN YOUR CONSENT TO CURIOUS IF IT WAS IN HAVEN'T SEEN NOTHING.
OH, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TALL. ARE YOU AT LIBERTY TO DISCUSS ON THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT? RALLO.
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WHAT WHAT KIND OF THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING AT, OR ARE YOU STILL IN THE EARLY STAGES WITH THAT? UM, YOU KNOW, I SO THERE WAS A THERE IS A PRELIMINARY PLOT APPROVED BY P AND D. I WANT TO SAY I THINK IN 2021 OR 22, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT YEAR THE TOWN HOMES YES FOR TOWN HOMES, BUT THEY'RE SHOWING TWO ATTACHED UNITS, SO THEY LOOK LIKE DUPLEXES. OUR DEFINITION OF TOWN HOMES IS 3 TO 8. UM AND SO THERE'S AN APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLOT THAT SHOWS TO ATTACHED INSTEAD OF 3 TO 8, AND WE WANT TO AMEND IT SO LIKE THEY'RE PLAN COULD STILL BE, UM, IN ORDER AS OPPOSED TO THEY'RE OUT OF CONFORMANCE, SO JUST TO GET THEM IN CONFORMANCE WITH US INSTEAD OF A TOWN HOME, THEN, RIGHT? THE PROJECT IS TO BRING DUPLEXES INSTEAD OF TELL AND TO AMEND THE PD TO ALLOW THAT SPECIFIC PD TO SAY TWO IS 2 TO 8 IS FINE FOR A TOWN HOME DEBT. AND I'M SURE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS THEN BECAUSE I'M THE ONE THAT'S NEVER A FAN OF THE TOWN HALL. EVERYONE KNOWS ME UP HERE, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE A TON OF QUESTIONS AROUND IT BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF TOWN HOME VERSUS JUST AN APARTMENT THREE PEOPLE. THREE BEDROOM. UM AND THEN. IF IT'S A DUPLEX OR SOME TYLENOL OR SOME APARTMENT, SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THE PRESENTATION IS VERY CLEAR.THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN THAN WHAT DAKARI JUST TOLD YOU. SO WAIT TILL WE GET THERE AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL THE INFORMATION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT. THEN I DON'T WANNA BOG YOU DOWN WITH IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT. I APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF? YEAH I JUST HAVE ONE MORE. WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH THE, UH AND I COULD HAVE MISSED IT. THE, UM SELF STORAGE FROM LAST IT GOT DENIED A COUNSEL. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. BECAUSE THIS IS TOWN COUNCIL TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 20TH. OF COURSE, THAT'S THIS EVENING. I THOUGHT THE PORK CELL TOWER THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY COUNSEL. CORRECT YES, THAT IS JUST THE ORDINANCE IT IT WAS APPROVED. IT WAS APPROVED. YES THIS IS JUST THE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I THOUGHT I'D READ THAT IN A MINUTE. SO YEAH, I SHOULD SAY THE 27TH. OK, THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFUSED. NO WORRIES. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO DA TO COMMISSIONER DAMON'S POINT HERE IS WHENEVER YOU DO THAT, AND I KNOW THERE'S MORE COMING. I WOULD AGREE, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO LOOK AT PRECEDENT THAT THINGS THAT WE HAVE. NOT MAYBE SUPPORTED THAT REVOLVE AROUND DUPLEXES OR THE DEFINITION OF TOWN HOME, SO I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WILL BE A HOT POINT FOR US. NUMBERS OUT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTARY OR QUESTIONS THIS EVENING? LET'S JUST KEEP THE CAR UP THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT. I THINK HE'S READY TO GO. LET'S GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. APPRECIATE ALL THAT Y'ALL DO AND ALL THE WORK, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HARRIS. SO WE HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER REEVES ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. YOUR ADJOURNED 7 TO
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