Jan 16, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission

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WATCH TALENT WALKING AROUND PEOPLE AND BRO. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF

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WE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. COMMISSIONER REEVES HAS BEEN REAPPOINTED TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BY THE COUNCIL. ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION. THOSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST COMPLETE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMENT REQUEST FORM LOCATED IN TOWN WEBSITE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHOEVER IS DOING IT IF YOU'RE ATTENDING IN PERSON. PLEASE SUBMIT THIS FORM ON THE TO THE BOARD CHAIR OR STAFF MEMBER PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND CALLED UPON PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. I DON'T NUMBER TWO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. BEFORE. ALWAYS STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD. INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OUR FIRST ITEM ITEM NUMBER THREE. IS

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[4. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request for a Planned Development for Mini-Warehouse/Public Storage, Restaurant, and Retail uses on 8.7± acres on Collin County School Land Survey, Abstract 147, Tracts 1-7 and 28, located on the northwest corner of North Coleman Street and West Prosper Trail. The property is zoned Agricultural and Commercial. (ZONE-23-0017)]

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YEAH LET ME I THINK THE QUESTION ON. SO ALONG THE RAILROAD. YES WHAT IS THAT? THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. UM IS THE SCREENING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ALONG THERE, WHICH IS, I THINK A WROUGHT IRON FENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS THAT WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE REQUIRED? IS THAT WHAT WHAT WOULD WHAT'S THE IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN THE REQUIREMENTS? IT'S MORE THAN WHAT THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE SO WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE ANY SCREENING JUST BECAUSE THE ZONING ORDINANCE READS THAT IT HAS TO SHARE A COMMON BOUNDARY WITH RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO BE SCREENED, AND THE RAILROAD ISN'T A COMMON BOUNDARY. IT'S JUST SEPARATES IT SO NO SCREENING WOULD BE REQUIRED PERSON IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT. THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE EXCUSE ME? WHAT IS THE BUILD LINE ALONG THEM, UM RAILROAD TRACKS. HOW FAR HOW FAR I THINK THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT TO BE 60 FT. AND OUR ORDINANCE COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, UM FOR TWO STORIES AND 60 FT AWAY, AND WHICH I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY KIND OF THEY DID IT ON THEIR OWN. SO THAT BUILD LINE IS 60 FT. AWAY. I MEAN, WHAT SIMPLE ONE UNTIL YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT SITE PLAN. PROPOSED ON THE WEST. THEY'RE PROPOSING A MASONRY WALL 6 FT IN ELEVATION IS THAT CORRECT? ON THE WEST. IT'S GOING TO BE A WROUGHT IRON FENCE ON THE WEST ON THE RAILROAD SIDE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IT'S GONNA BE WROUGHT IRON RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT ALL OF THOSE RESIDENCES WILL BE LOOKING THEORETICALLY, AUCHTERARDER INFERENCE, HOWEVER, IT'S ABOUT SIX IS ABOUT 5 FT. LOWER THAN THE RAILROADS, YOU REALLY WON'T EVEN SEE THE WROUGHT IRON FENCES MORE FOR SECURITY, PROBABLY THEN. VISUAL.

WAS THE INTENT OF THAT FOR SECURITY OR IS THAT WHAT WAS THE POINT OF PROVIDING THAT FENCE? AS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, UM I THINK THAT PROBABLY BETTER QUESTIONS AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THEIR INTENT WAS FOR THE RIGHT ON FENCE ON THAT SIDE. CAN YOU GO TO THE ELEVATION? THE FINAL. RICH SHOWS THE WHOLE PROPERTY. OKAY, SO I DON'T KNOW. I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH UNDERSTANDING THIS ELEVATION. WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S. IF THIS IS CORRECT AND BAJA IN THE BACK THERE WHERE ALL THE TREES ARE. THAT'S WHERE THE RAILROAD YES. SO THIS VANTAGE POINT IS PROBABLY AT THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY FROM THIS PICTURE. YOU'RE PROBABLY HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE RAIL. SO IF I CAN GO TO THE SITE PLANE FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT, IF YOU CAN SEE MY HOUSE, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT? WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH HERE IS THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE MUCH ABOUT THIS ELEVATION PLAN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE PROPER ON THE PROPERTY. FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A 6 FT MASONRY WALL BETWEEN THE STORAGE BUILDING AND THE RETAIL BUILDINGS SHOWN ON ON HERE. UM, WHICH IS AN INTERESTING AM I CORRECT? I MEAN, THERE SHOULD BE AN A 6 FT MASONRY WALL BETWEEN THE STORAGE BUILDING AND THE AND THE PARKING CORRECT. AND WHICH I'M CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THIS KIND OF LOOKS WITH WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU'RE IN CIRCLING THAT WHOLE PROPERTY.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE TREES THAT ARE PART OF THE POPULAR STAYING THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE. THERE'S REALLY THEIR WAY OVER HERE, ONLY TO THE FAR RIGHT OF THIS PICTURE OF THIS ELEVATION. THERE'S NOT REALLY TREES THAT ARE GOING ALONG THERE CURRENTLY, BUT THOSE WOULD BE WHAT'S GOING TO BE PLANTED. IS THAT RIGHT IN THE LANDSCAPE AREAS THAT WHAT IS THAT THE PLANS ARE YOU THE AREA NEXT TO THE RAILROAD, OR I'M LOOKING BEHIND THE RETAIL BUILDING. THAT'S TO THE WET. WE'RE LOOKING TO THE EAST RIGHT HERE, SO THOSE WOULD BE TREES THAT ARE PLANTED. THAT WILL BE A 25 FT LANDSCAPE AREA, AND THOSE WILL BE WHETHER IT'S EVERY 20 FT. OKAY, ALRIGHT. THEN THE OTHER THING I IS THERE IS THERE ALSO TREES ALONG COLEMAN? I MEAN

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THEY SHOULD BE IN ELEVATION HERE SOMEWHERE. THERE'S A LITTLE SO I THINK THE INTENT IS TO HAVE SOME, UM IS THERE NO MORE? DO YOU HAVE OTHER PICTURES HERE BECAUSE THEY HAD SOME THAT SHOWED THE REAR SIDES OF THESE BUILDINGS. SO YEAH, I THINK THE INTENT IS TO HAVE SOME PATIO AREA. I DO KNOW THAT AND THEIR INITIAL ONES. IT WAS THERE, BUT, UM, THIS LITTLE FIRE THIS LITTLE THING RIGHT HERE. UM THIS WASN'T THERE ORIGINALLY, UM, BUT IT HAD TO BE PLACED THERE FOR, UM, FIRE CODE REGULATION. UM AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE PATIO WAS INTENDED TO GO AT FIRST, BUT TO COMPLY WITH FIRE CODE. I THINK THEY HAD AN OUTLET. THE APPLICANT CLARIFY THAT BUT I THINK THAT THAT HAD TO BE REMOVED OR ALTERED. ALRIGHT BECAUSE THE PACKET HAS SOME ELEVATIONS OF THE OF THE REAR SIDES OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND THEY'RE JUST PRETTY PLAIN.

THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S NO PATIOS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THEY'RE JUST SO I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU PROBLEM. ONE EASY ONE IS THE DARK LINE ON THIS PLAN. YOU CAN STAY HERE IS THAT WHERE THE FUTURE EXPANSION OF. THE COMMON RIGHT IS THAT WHAT IS THAT 25 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFS BUFFER FROM THAT? PROPOSED COLEMAN. OR WHEN THEY COME EXPAND COMMON AT SOME POINT WILL THAT ALL THOSE TREES AND LANDSCAPED AND GO AWAY. IT FEELS LIKE I THINK IT'S THAT DARK BLACK LINE. YEAH I BELIEVE IT IS THAT DARK BLACK LINE AS WELL. UM I DON'T THINK THE INTENT IS, UM, WHEN IT IS EXPANDED, THE LANDSCAPING WILL GO AWAY. UM, BUT I CAN'T SAY 100% STARTED TO GET THAT'S THE CASE. OKAY? ALL RIGHT HERE, SO THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND COLEMAN KILL OUR LANDSCAPERS. SO IN THIS IN THIS, UH DRAWING RIGHT HERE. WHERE IS THE FENCE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE WAREHOUSE? WHERE DOES IT GO, TOO? IS THAT OKAY? RIGHT THERE, RIGHT HERE. AND SO ALL THOSE ALL OF THOSE PARKING SPOTS THAT YOU SEE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S FOR RVS AND CARS. AND LIKE THESE, THESE LARGER ONES RIGHT HERE, THAT'S FOR LIKE THE RVS AND STUFF. AND SO THEN ON THE WEST SIDE THAT IS GOING TO BE A WROUGHT IRON FENCE. YES SO KIND OF GOES THAT SAME SO PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORK OF THE TRAIN TRACKS THAT HAVE TWO STORY HOMES, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK DOWN AND SEE RVS AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE INSIDE. POSSIBLY OKAY. UM BUT THE OTHER WALLS, THE NORTH WALL AND COLEMAN WALL THAT'S GOING TO BE MASONRY. SO THE WEST WALL ALONG THE RAILROAD AND THEN MISS NORTH WALL THAT IS WROUGHT IRON.

AND THEN HERE. UM SO IF YOU SEE THIS LINE LIKE THESE SQUARES ON IT, UH HUH. THIS IS MASONRY ALONG COLEMAN. AND THEN IF YOU SEE WHERE IT GOES OVER THE FRONT THAT'S MASONRY AS WELL. SO IT'S A MASONRY ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THEN ALONG THE COMMON SIDE, AND THEN IT WILL GO UP TO ROT IRON ON THE NORTH AND THEN WROUGHT IRON ON THE WEST. I DON'T. AND YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF GOT ONE MORE. WELL, MAYBE NOT BE PRETTY. YOU CAN ASK. IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON WHY THEY ORIENTED THE BUILDINGS THE WAY THEY DID BACKING UP. THIS IS EFFECTIVELY ONE OF THE GATEWAYS INTO DOWNTOWN. AND WE'RE PUTTING THE BACKS OF TWO BUILDINGS AT THE INTERSECTION. IT SEEMS A LITTLE FLIP TO ME, BUT IT DIDN'T IT WAS OR WAS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON SOMETHING WITH ELEVATIONS OR, YOU KNOW SOME OTHER REASON? WHY THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR REASON WHY IT'S ORIENTED THAT WAY. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NO MORE I'M

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IT FLEW OVER 8.5 ACRES. WHAT KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND RIGHT NOW.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR RENTAL PROPERTIES. AND THERE ARE FOUR HOMES THAT CURRENTLY ON THERE WHERE WE'VE KIND OF UH, LET TWO PEOPLE GO AND WE'RE HAVE TO ONE MORE OUT HERE AT THE END OF THE MONTH AND THEN ONE RAMIREZ. SO WHAT KIND OF PREPPING FOR HOPEFULLY SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT OR NEXT PHASE OF WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND KIND OF HOW WE GOT THERE. AND HOPEFULLY ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS IS FULL TRANSPARENCY WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'RE TRYING TO HIGHEST AND BEST USE PLANNING BACKGROUND AND TRYING TO DO WHAT? WHAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR PLANNING. AND SO AS WE LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW WE HAVE INCOME AS FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES AND PAYS THE BILLS, BUT WE THINK THERE'S A HIGHER AND BEST USE. WE KNOW THE CITY DOESN'T WANT. WE HAVEN'T APPROACHED THE SCENE ANYWAY. FOR A MULTI FAMILY OR TOWN HOMES. THAT'S NOT ON TABLE. IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT ENTITLED, BUT WE EVEN PURSUE THAT SOMETHING THAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS THE CORNER. THE CORNER. WE HAVE 60 TO 80 YEAR OLD TREES THERE. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING IF POSSIBLE. WE REALLY WANTED TO KEEP AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, WHY DO WE LAY OUT THE WAY WE DID IF WE HAD PARKING THE FRONT. IT REALLY WOULD HAVE NOT KIND OF SHOWING OFF WHAT WE HAVE ON THE CORNER. WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE ABOUT ALMOST AN ACRE OF AN OPEN SPACE. WHERE IF YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN OUT TO THE PROPERTY, I MEAN, THESE ARE BEAUTIFUL, LARGE TREES THAT ARE JUST WELCOMING TO WALK UNDER TO BE UNDER AND SO WE HAVE BUTTED TO RETAIL BUILDINGS TO GO UP TO IT TO HAVE OUTDOOR PATIOS. SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS THAT NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE OUTDOOR PATIO BUT REALLY, YOU HAVE A ALMOST AN ACRE PARK TO BE SHADED AND, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE SUMMERTIME, WE FEEL THIS COULD BE SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL AND ESPECIALLY AT COMMUNITY THAT THREE AGE RACE, BUT THIS PROPERTY WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THE PROPERTY WE'RE DEALING WITH. WE ARE AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION. WE BUT A RAILROAD TRACK AND YOU KNOW YOU KIND OF WHAT? WHAT'S ATTRACTIVE TO BE AT A RAILROAD TRACK. AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU HERE WE CALL IT SECOND TIER RETAIL DOESN'T ALWAYS DO AS WELL AND THAT CAN CREATE A LITTLE RISK ON OUR SIDE. AND SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE DEMAND OF THE COMMUNITY WAS FOR SURE, WE GOT A HUGE REQUEST FOR SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS. AND WE BELIEVE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT HERE TO PROTECT US FROM RISK OF JUST PUTTING TWO MORE RETAIL BUILDINGS THE BACK, ESPECIALLY AGAINST THE RAILROAD. WE PUT WHAT PEOPLE WANT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE ADDITIONAL INCOME AND HAVE A LOT OF VOTES HAVE TRAVELERS. THEY HAVE RVS THEY HAVE A T V. S. THEY HAVE CLASSIC CARS, AND THE MARKET SAYS WE'RE REALLY IN DEMAND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING CLOSE THAT CAN HOUSE THOSE. AND SO THERE WAS KIND OF A NATURAL THING FOR HAVING A SELF STORAGE BUILDING. IT COMES ACROSS AS A TWO STORY BUILDING, AND I'LL ACTUALITY IT'S ONLY 4 FT. TALLER THAN OUR TWO FRONT BUILDINGS. THOSE FRONT ELEVATIONS COME IN AT 28 FT, AND THAT SELF STORAGE COMES IN. AT 32. THERE WAS A QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO WHAT ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS ON THE ETCETERA TRACKS , LOOKING DOWN ON IT FROM A TWO STORY CURRENTLY THEY LOOK AT AN UGLY RED SHED BUILDING. NO MANICURED SOME VEHICLES OUT IN THE BACKYARD. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT.

WE'RE TRYING TO BEAUTIFY THAT WITH TREES, YOU KNOW, AN ACTUAL BUILDING LANDSCAPING. WE'RE EXCITED THAT ALONG COLEMAN AND PROSPER TRAIL, THAT'S WHERE HOMECOMING PARADES GO UP AND DOWN, COLEMAN RIGHT NOW, THEY JUST SIT IN AND IN THE WEEDS, AND WE WANT TO PUT SIDEWALKS THERE AND TREES AND SHADE AND WE ALSO HAVE RESTAURANTS THERE. WE THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT USE ON THIS PROPERTY. UM ADDRESSING I YOU KNOW, BEFORE I SPEAK, UM IT LOOKS LIKE NO ONE'S COME HERE TONIGHT. I DID SEE I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS ADDITIONAL CALL, BUT I KNOW THERE'S TWO PEOPLE OPPOSED TO IT. WE HAVE HELD IN A MEETING THAT WASN'T MENTIONED, BUT I KNOW IT'S THERE'S WE'VE HELD A MEETING. WE'VE HAD SIGNS UP FOR OVER 30 DAYS. I THINK IF THERE WERE A LOT MORE PEOPLE OPPOSED UM WE CAN H ONE MEETING. FOUR MONTHS AGO. SO WE WERE. IT WAS QUITE SOME TIME AGROUND, SO THERE'S BEEN TIME TO COME TOGETHER IF THERE WAS A HUGE OPPOSITION TO THIS, AND WE GOT FAIRLY REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK AND COUNCIL CAN COUNCIL STAFF CAN CHIME IN IF THEY FELT DIFFERENT AND THE TWO THAT OPPOSED TO IT. I KNOW THERE WERE VERY AGAINST THE RETAILING AND SELF STORAGE.

ONE WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOME VALUES. I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT HOME VALUES WILL

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IN OUR OPINION, NO ONE. SEE THAT I PURPOSELY DROVE MY TRUCK. I TRY TO STAY ON TOP OF MY TRUCK TO SEE WHAT YOU COULD SEE. FROM THAT ANGLE. IT'S NOT A VIEWPOINT . THERE'S A DOG CENTER DOG. AND WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THEM? BOARDING HOUSE TO THE RIGHT OF US TALK. THEN THERE'S NO PUSHBACK OF AN IRON FENCE THERE, AND THAT'S HARD NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NORTH. ON THE NORTH END. IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE LIKE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE DOG AND YOURS. WHATEVER BECOME, YOU KNOW. THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING THROUGH A RUDDER OFFENSIVE PARKED CARS AND RVS.

SO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXCEPTION TO THAT. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE WORST. I THINK I COULD PROBABLY SUPPORT YOU LITTLE YOU'VE GOT A GREAT CHANGE AND ALL THOSE HOUSES ARE PRETTY WELL SCREENED WITH LOOKS LIKE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TREES OR SOMETHING THERE. BUT ON THE ON THE. MANY STORAGE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING ON THAT SIDE. YOU KNOW YOU GOT TO TREAT THIS STUFF ALONG COLEMAN, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING SHOWN ON THE WEST. SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LOGIC OF PUTTING THEM REALLY THE MASONRY THERE VERSUS AND MAYBE A NICE WROUGHT IRON OR LIVING SCREEN AND PUTTING THE MASONRY MAYBE ON A DIFFERENT USE. BUT WE WOULD SO ARE YOU IF I JUST UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULD THINK WOULD BE BETTER RATHER THAN THE SOUTH, HAVING BRICK MISSIONARY HABIT ON THE NORTH SIDE. I JUST THINK WHEN YOU'RE THINKING OF ADJACENT SEAS, AND YOU'RE THINKING OF WHAT PEOPLE FROM THEIR PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO LOOK ACROSS THAT'S THAT'S NOT MY ONLY COMMENT. AS IF THAT WERE A DEAL WHERE WE'RE HAPPY SWITCH, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, BUT IF IT WERE SAYING, HEY, MOVE THAT BRICK AND RACE TO THE NORTH AND THEN WROUGHT IRON ON THE FRONT SWAPPING NOSES WERE AMENABLE OF EITHER OF THOSE, AND THEN TO MY QUESTION EARLIER. JUST EXPLAIN THAT LOGIC APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE TREES AS EVERYBODY KNOWS. I LOVE SOME TREES. SO THE I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. WHY IS THE I GUESS YOU WANT TO CALL IT THE RIGHT RETAIL IN THIS VIEW? WHY WOULD THAT MAYBE NOT GO TO THE BACK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IT WOULD OPEN UP A LITTLE BIT MORE TO COME? AND WHAT WAS THE ANY PARTICULAR REASON OR JUST HOW IT LAID OUT IF I THINK I UNDERSTAND MEANING, PUTTING THE PARKING ALONG THE FRONT OF COLEMAN AND PROSPER TRAIL. UM I CAN'T DRAW THIS. I'LL DO MY BEST. IF YOU IMAGINE THOSE BUILDINGS COMING IN WHAT IT IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS NOW WE FEEL WE CAN GET A LOT HIGHER RENT OF HAVING PATIO SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS AND SO NOW ON BOTH THERE AND CAMPS IF YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT, AND NOW YOU ALMOST GET FREE SPACE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 1000 SQUARE FEET OUTSIDE OF OUTDOOR PATIO. BUT IF WE PUSH THEM IN, YOU KIND OF ELIMINATED POSSIBILITY. AN OUTDOOR PATIO AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A FIRE LANE. AND SO YOU'RE LIKE, HERE'S YOUR RESTAURANTS WALK ACROSS THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, AND A STREET AND THEN YOU WOULD GET TO THE PARK IN THE CORNER KIND OF UM WE WANTED TO BE. I MEAN, ALMOST A PUBLIC PARK WHERE PEOPLE GOING, IT'S HOPEFULLY WHEN IT WAS INTEGRATING SIDEWALKS THAT PEOPLE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTUALLY GO AND HANG OUT THERE. IT'S UNDER SHADE. IT'S GO AND GRAB AN ICE CREAM AND JUST SIT UNDER THERE, AND IT'S QUITE LARGE IF WE THINK IT WOULD BE A HUGE ATTRACTION. THE REASON FOR THAT LAYOUT.

THANK YOU CAN GO TO SALSA AND SEE A PRETTY BIG EVIDENCE OF PEOPLE VENTURING OFF THE PATIO AND PLAYING AND YES, APPRECIATE YOUR LOGIC THERE. THE ONLY THING I'VE THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD ON THE HOUSE JUST THE BACK ELEVATIONS. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE BACK ELEVATIONS OF BUILDINGS, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A PRIMARY INTERSECTION IN THE WHAT WAS BECOMING A REALLY GOOD DOWNTOWN AND IT'S A GREAT DOWNTOWN ALREADY, BUT NOW IT'S GONNA BE EVEN GREATER. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D HAVE A LITTLE EXCEPTION TO JUST AND IT FEELS LIKE IT'S VERY UTILITARIAN ON THE BACKSIDE AND ALL THIS STUFF HAPPENING IN FRONT, BUT JUST JUST GIVE AND TAKE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE LIKE, OH, IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY SEXY ON A LONG FRINGE, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE, OH, IT'S GOING GREAT, BUT ONCE YOU ONCE YOU ADD IN LANDSCAPING BUFFER, AND YOU ADDED IN SIDEWALK, WANDERING SIDEWALK, AND THEN YOU HAVE SIGNAGE, IT KIND OF BREAKS IT UP. WE HOPE THAT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS ATTRACT YOUR ATTENTION RATHER THAN JUST THAT PART OF IT IS HEY, WHAT'S IN THE CORNER? WHY? WHY AM I SEEING THESE MASSIVE TREES THAT I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN? WELL LET ME ADD ON TO THAT BECAUSE I AGREE. I MEAN, I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, THE STARKNESS OF THE OF

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NECESSARILY. IT'S JUST I JUST THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE THOSE LOOK LIKE WE'RE HAPPY TO IN THE BACK. WE WANT TO LOOK AT YOU KNOW IT'S YOU GET HIGHER RENTS WHEN IT LOOKS GOOD, SO IT'S RIGHT. RIGHT THE OTHER THING I AND I WOULD I WOULD WANT TO. SHARE ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HAMILTON'S ARE MR CARSON AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE BUILDING THE WALL.

ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STORAGE BUILDING. UM CHANGING THAT TO THE NORTH SIDE WOULD BE PROBABLY MUCH BETTER. IF THIS WERE TO GO THROUGH, I THINK BECAUSE THAT WOULD PROVIDE MORE PROTECTION FROM THE VIEWS OF THE OF THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF THE BUILDING OF THE RVS BOATS. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE AMENABLE TO THAT. OKAY THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW. THANKS. AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE AFRICAN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UM DO WE HAVE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? NO. ALL RIGHT, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE ANYTHING ONLINE ANYMORE. SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF LETTERS IN HERE. FROM FOLKS IN OPPOSITION OF IT. WE HAVE THE PHONE CALL. SO I WOULD SAY FROM HERE, I GUESS WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I GUESS WE TAKE IT BACK TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU'VE ASKED ME HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE WE CAN GO. DOWN THE ROAD OR. IT'S JUST ENGLISH QUESTIONS. CAN YOU PUT IT BACK? THAT PAGE THAT JUST SAID THE USES I KNOW THE APPLICANT MENTIONED SOME FLEXIBILITY AND THOSE USES. I JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW IT WAS WRITTEN CURRENTLY. I THINK IT WAS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMENT OF AROUND THE COMMERCIAL BOARD AROUND THE AROUND THE RETAIL, I THINK, WHAT DO WE LIMIT THAT OR RESTRICT WHAT THE DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW IN THE RETAIL. WELL, SO IF YOU. TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WITH THE DISTRICT YOU GUYS CAN GO THROUGH AND STRIKE THE USES A LOT FOR PDS. YOU GUYS CAN GO THROUGH AND STRIKE. THE USE IS ALLOWED IN THAT DISTRICT. UM SO IF THERE ARE CERTAIN USES IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT YOU DON'T LIKE, OR YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THERE, YOU CAN RECOMMEND THAT THOSE USES B STRICKEN FROM THERE. AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE LIST OF USERS IN FRONT OF YOU SO WE COULD DO WORK AFTER THE MEETING AND JUST SEND YOU GUYS THE LIST OF ALL THE USES IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. UM AND YOU GUYS CAN TELL US WHAT USES. YOU DON'T LIKE HIM THERE. BUT THAT'S HOW WE CAN. TYPICALLY, THAT'S HOW WE COULDN'T HANDLE PDS IS JUST GO THROUGH. INSTRUCT THEM OUT. I THINK IF WE DID THAT, I WOULD ASK JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THERE. THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF RETAIL, VERY SIMILAR KIND OF RETAIL. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEIR P D AS A

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DOES THE APPLICANT STATE HIS NAME ALL OVER AGAIN? APPLICANTS SO HE COULD COME BACK? YEAH JOHN KENDALL AND CASE NAME. WE WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. AND REALLY, WHAT IT IS I SEE THE PURPOSE BEHIND IT IS WORK. YOU DON'T WANT YOUR PAPER'S GOING UP AGAINST A MAJOR ROAD. THIS IS A FOUR LANE ROAD CURRENTLY. AND SO THERE'S NOT A HUGE ATTRACTION TO HAVE A PATIO. A LOUD NOISE RIGHT THERE, ESPECIALLY CLOSE TO AN INTERSECTION. AND SO I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE, OH YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT. IT'S JUST AND THEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE TWO SIDES, YOU GOTTA THINK YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A BACK OFFICE OF WHERE YOUR EMPLOYEES COME IN.

AND SO THINK OF YOUR INTERIOR ONES. IF YOU HAVE PATTING ON THE BACK AND THE FRONT AND WHERE'S THE FRONT AND THE BACK THERE? AT SOME POINT, IT'S GOT TO BE BACK, BUT I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT, BUT WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT FROM A USER. BEING A LONGER ROAD LIKE THAT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH IT TOWARDS MOST LIKE AN OPEN SPACE TYPE THING. SO THERE REALLY WOULDN'T BE PATIOS EITHER ON THE SIDES, THEN RIGHT FOR THE SAME REASON. WELL NO, THEY'LL BE ON THE SAME BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE DIRECT, I GUESS POINT INTO THAT SO I WISH I COULD DRAW ON. THIS IS YOUR SIDES ARE PUSHING TOWARDS THE PARK OPENING TOWARDS THE PARK AREA RATHER THAN OPENING TOO.

THE ROAD. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE JUST GOING ON THOSE END CAPS GOING INTO OUR INTERNAL TOWARDS THE PARK. JUST WHEN YOU LAY OUT FROM USABILITY. YOU KNOW, IDEAL SITUATION. CIRCUMSTANCES IS IF WE PUT A PATIO THERE JUST THINK OF WHERE YOU'RE I'M JUST TRYING. YOU'RE AN INTERNAL ONE. WHAT DID YOU SAY ONE IN THE MIDDLE. WHERE DOES THE STAFF WORK IS YOU'RE GOING AROUND BOTH SIDES. IT'S THE LAYOUT IS AN IDEAL. I MEAN, I KNOW IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL, BUT. FOR THAT ROAD THAT'S NEXT TO THE OPEN SPACE IS THERE. I KNOW THAT'S BECAUSE OF FIRE, I IMAGINE COULD THAT BE MOVED.

WE'RE WORKING ON MOVEMENT. THAT'S WHAT SAYS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE HIDDEN ON BNC. WE PUT THAT ROAD THERE THAT HASN'T BEEN ON THE PLAN. FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS. WE BELIEVE IT WAS JUST TOO AMENABLE FOR TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TODAY, UM BUT WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE. AND THAT AFTER WE'RE FORTUNATE TO GET APPROVAL, WORKING WITH FIRE, SO THAT LITTLE OUTLET AND FIRE IS THERE AND REALLY WHAT THAT IS, THAT'S JUST FOR FIREHOSE LAYER IT LEVERAGES. WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO JUST HAVE IT COUNT AGAINST COLEMAN. AND REALLY, YOU CAN LANDSCAPE THAT WE HAVE TO SHOW YOU THE FIRE LINE. BUT THERE ARE EXAMPLES WHERE IT CAN BE A FIRE LANE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN FISH OBSTRUCTION THERE, BUT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, PUT PAVERS THERE ALONG THE WAY THAT THE FIRE TRUCK COULD GO ALONG. I'M SORT OF THINGS. OUR GOAL IS TO I WANT TO REMOVE THAT WE HAVE TO MEET FIRE CODE, BUT TRY TO ELIMINATE THAT. OKAY? SO AND WHILE YOU'RE. DON'T LEAVE. STAY RIGHT THERE. UM SO. YOU HEAR? HERE'S SOME OF MY CAN LET ME EXPRESS MY CONCERNS THAT I HAVE ABOUT THIS. FIRST OF ALL THE RETAIL AREA. I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF THE RETAIL AREA. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLACE. I LOVE TO SEE THE RETAIL THE RESTAURANTS. I THINK ALL THAT'S GREAT. I YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST REPEAT. I DON'T LIKE THE BACKS OF THE BUILDINGS THE WAY THEY ARE, WHAT THAT WOULD BE THE THING I WOULD WANT TO SEE SOMEHOW. SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO FIX EITHER THE ORIENTATION THE BUILDINGS TO WHERE THEY'RE BACKING UP TO THE TO THE EXISTING TREES, OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER YOU CAN DO, BUT THOSE ARE THOSE THAT WOULD BE ONE THING. IT'S A SIGNIFICANCE TO MAKE. THE OTHER THING. I I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE STORAGE BUILDING . I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STORAGE BUILDING IS 65,000 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S TWO STORIES.

SO 32,500 ON ON A FOOTPRINT COMPARED TO ONLY WHAT ABOUT 24,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL. SO THIS IS LARGELY A WHERE I STORAGE BUILDING WITH SOME RETAIL INSTEAD OF RETAIL WITH A STORAGE BUILDING. UM THE BUT I WILL SAY THIS. I THINK THE L OF THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THE ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWING OR ATTRACTIVE. THEY'RE DONE. EVEN

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I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S ESSENTIAL. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO US HOW THE PROPERTIES LAID OUT WHEN WE HAVE A RECOGNITION WALL ALONG COLEMAN AND NOW FROM THE FEEDBACK OF HAVING BRICK INFORMATION WALL ON THE NORTHERN TRACK. THIS IS A VERY YES. TUCKED BACK, AND ESPECIALLY, IT'S NOT REALLY WHERE IT IS. IT'S NOT CLOSE TO COLEMAN. IT'S KIND OF TUCKED BACK THERE. WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IT'S REALLY OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND. BUT THERE'S A HUGE IT'S AN UNDERSTANDING DEMAND. UM I MEAN, THOSE WOULD BE LEAST UP AND 24 HOURS EVERY SPACE OF IT BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AND PROSPER. UM THE ANSWER IS THAT NO, IS IT BUT TO US. WE REALLY, REALLY WANT IT. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE RETAIL BUILDINGS. WE HAVE ROOM. WE TALKED TO OUR ENGINEER. WE HAVE ROOM. WE CAN ADD A MINIMUM ABOUT 5000 SQUARE FEET MORE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ON THE RETAIL BUILDINGS. UM IT OBVIOUSLY GOES INTO THE OPEN SPACE. THE GOOD THING IS, WE'RE OVER THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE, SO WE THINK WE CAN MEET BOTH. BUT IT WAS ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE INITIALLY KIND OF PUT WELL, LARGER PARK AND THE REASON WHY WE INITIALLY AS BEFORE WE DID A DETAILED TREE SURVEY. WE WENT OUT THERE WERE BIG THING WE WANT TO SAVE THOSE TREES AND RIGHT, SEVEN. ALL OF THEM. THERE'S YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO LIE THERE ON THE NORTHERNERS. THERE'S TWO OR THREE THAT WOULD BE LOST, BUT WE WANT TO PUSH. WE'RE OPEN TO PUSHING BUILDINGS CLOSE WEEKEND THE TREES WITHOUT HURTING THE ROOT SYSTEM. BUT OUR MATH WE CAN ADD ANOTHER 5000 SQUARE FEET AND WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF A PD IS GOOD THING.

CONCEPTUAL BUT WE IF WE CAN FIT IT, WE WANT TO ADD 5000 SQUARE FEET ABOUT 3500 TO THE SOUTHERN BUILDING IN THE 11 COLEMAN 1,502,000. OH THAT'S GOOD, AND WITH REGARD TO GO BACK TO THE MASONRY WALL TO ASSUMING OUTDOOR STORAGE. THIS WAS APPROVED WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE AND WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING THE MASONRY ROLE TO THE NORTH INSTEAD OF THE DOWN THE SOUTH. UM SIX BIT MASONRY WALL PARLEY ISN'T ENOUGH TO COVER MOST OF THE OUTDOOR STORAGE RBS THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, SO I MEAN, WOULD IT WHAT WOULD AN 8 FT WALL LOOK, HOW WOULD WHAT WOULD THAT BE LIKE IF WE I WANTED TO GO TALLER, A LITTLE BIT TALLER. I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT LOOKED LIKE AN APRIL WALL. BUT WHAT IT WOULD COST IS, UM IT WOULD COST US AN ADDITIONAL, UM 8200 AND 40 GRAND OF BEING A LITTLE BAG, BUT IDEALLY, I MEAN, IT JUST I'VE BEEN VERY UPFRONT WITH YOU IS I WOULD LOVE TO FOR LACK OF BETTER GET AWAY WITH AN 8 FT WALL. BUT IF THAT IS TRUE DEAL KILLER AND IT WERE TO GET RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL. WE CAN SWALLOW THAT 100 120 K AT IT. IF THAT HELPS US GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, MAKING 8 FT. BUT THAT'S LIKE SAYING I'M SHOWING ALL MY CARDS. I UNDERSTAND AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M I'M NOT SURE WHAT I THINK ABOUT THAT IDEA, EITHER. I'M NOT GREAT, GREAT ABOUT 12 TALLER WALL BUT ALSO WANT TO BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE ART BLOCKING THE OUTDOOR STORAGE . AND IT IS JUST MY OPINION. TAR WALL DOESN'T ALWAYS LOOK BETTER.

IT SOUNDS BETTER, RIGHT? UM BUT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT WHERE PEOPLE ARE IS IF YOU THINK OF AN 8 FT WALL AND YOU'RE STANDING 20, IF NOT 50 FT AWAY. IT'S THAT SIGHTLINE OF GOING UP. IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE THERE AND YOU CAN SEE BUT IF YOU'RE STANDING BACK, AND YOU'VE GOT THAT SIGHTLINE AND WHERE THE ORIENTATION OF WHERE YOU SEE OUR OUTDOOR SHORTAGES I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE SAYING IT'S THERE'S VERY MINIMAL SITES THAT YOU WILL SEE THERE. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT ANGLES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT THANK YOU. REAL QUICK. UM YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES HUGE DEMAND FOR, UM, STORAGE. OH, HOW DID YOU IDENTIFY THAT DEMAND. AND WHAT DID YOU DO TO MEASURE THE DEMAND WITHIN THE AREA THAT YOU'RE IN KHYBER? YOU WANTED TO FIND THAT IT COULD BE PROSPERED TO BE THE ENTIRE SORT OF NO, NO PROBLEM TEAM WE CALLED THE FOUR CLOSEST SELF STORAGE.

AND I THINK I'VE I DON'T WANNA GET MY NUMBERS WRONG, BUT I'LL GET CLOSE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

YOU STAY AROUND ABOUT 98% OCCUPANCY, AND WHEN YOU GO TO SECOND FLOOR, IT DROPS TO

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IN MY OPINION. IF THERE WAS A LARGER PUSH BACK, WE WOULD SEE THAT PRESENCE HERE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU MEANT I'M SORRY TO, UH YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING I HADN'T HEARD BEFORE, WHICH WAS THE SECURED STORAGE FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE. BUT ARE YOU PUTTING GATES IN HERE IS I DON'T SEE HIM ON THE PLAN. SO YES, THERE IS GATES ON, I THINK OF IT ON THE BACK HALF. BECAUSE THAT IS A FIRE LANE. SO WHEN YOU PULL IT OFF OF COMMON STREET, WHEN YOU GO TO TURN RIGHT THERE WILL BE A GATE THERE. OKAY GOING IN AND THEN ON THAT LITERALLY HALFWAY POINT OF THE BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE WILL BE A GATE ALSO SO THAT ENTIRE THE BACK, HALF OF SELF STORAGE WILL BE GAINING OKAY, ALRIGHT. I JUST CAMERAS AND SO FORTH. OKAY? THANK YOU. ONE THING I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND IT. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT ONE ENTRANCE. IF YOU SIMPLE COMPARTMENTALIZE THAT YOU REALLY GOT ONE ENTRANCE INTO THE RETAIL, JUST GONNA, IT'S GONNA FEEL I KNOW IT PROBABLY MEETS WHATEVER, BECAUSE YOU CAN CALL THE OTHER ONE AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT. BUT UM I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A LOT OF LOAD NATURAL FLOW IS GOING TO PUT A LOT OF LOAD ON ON THE PROSPER TRAIL. THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE, BUT IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE NOW IT'S THE MORE WE SIT AND STARE. I DON'T DISAGREE OR GOLD. LIKE I TOLD YOU, THIS IS CALLED CONCEPT BECAUSE THIS IS PRETTY FAR DOWN ON AN ENGINEERING PATH. BUT OUR GOAL IF WE'RE FORTUNATE GET APPROVED IS TO HAVE THAT CONNECT WHERE YOU SEE THAT THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING WE? YES WE HAVE VERY STRONG GOLD TO HAVE A CHANGE. THIS WAS TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU. BUT WE WANT THAT TO NOT HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THAT SELF STORAGE THAT A ROAD WOULD CONNECT OVER THERE, SO WE THAT IS A TOP PRIORITY TO WORK WITH STAFF AND WITH FIRE. THAT WE CAN HAVE A ROAD CONNECT MUCH CLOSER THAN GOING ALL THE WAY BACK. THE OTHER COMMENT. I KNOW IT'S NOT JUST LIKE FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPROVAL, BUT RECOMMENDATION FOR ME. AT LEAST I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHEN WE HAVE AN 80% MASON OR OR REQUIRE MISSIONARY REQUIREMENT. IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO SEE THAT IN ELEVATIONS YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 38% PER YEAR TABLE. ON THE ON THE STORAGE. WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT CONTROVERSIAL, AND SHE GOT 20% METAL, WHICH IS, I THINK COULD BE CONCERNED, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HELP US GET COMFORTABLE WITH SOMETHING WHENEVER IT IS A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE TO THE STANDARDS AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT IT WILL BE HELD BECAUSE IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IT WILL BE TIED DOWN TO 80% RECOMMEND STORY. BUT YES, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. AND THEN THE ONES THAT IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR I'M THROWING THEM OUT. THERE IS IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MOTIONS FOR THINGS TO JUST CLUED. THAT I THINK RESIDENTS WOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT IS THIS REMOVED. DATE SMOKE SHOPS, LIQUOR STORE, TATTOO PIERCING AND PAYDAY LOAN PLACES. IF YOU'RE LOOKING, I DON'T KNOW. IN MY OPINION, HOW MUCH VALUE TO GO PAST THAT, BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY THE TOP OF THE LIST THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU INCLUDE. AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO APPLICANT UP BEFORE HE SITS BACK DOWN AND DO WE HAVE A STAFF QUESTION, BUT I CAN GET IT IN A MINUTE. CAR AND I KNOW YOU GUYS. YOUR

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UM AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON FOR DENIAL FOR THIS. UH, I DON'T IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALONE. OH, QUICKLY. I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CLICK ON THAT THE YOU DON'T THINK THAT IT FITS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, UM PROPERTIES SURROUNDING IT CORRECT. WHAT PART OF THE STORAGE FACILITY. DID YOU ALL FEEL LIKE? WHAT? WHAT DID YOU THINK? UM HOW DID YOU A DETERMINE THE IMPACT. WHAT SPECIFICALLY? DID YOU THINK? IT WOULD DO, WOULD IT? UM.

DISCOURAGE FUTURE RESIDENTS FROM LIVING IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE OF IT. WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT A IMPACT ON PROPERTY VALUES TRACK LIKE WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE. SORT OF THE DEEP NUMBERS DETAILED BEHIND. WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM I THINK PRIMARILY, UM AND IT'S MAINLY THESE USES ALLOWED BY, RIGHT WE JUST SO I THINK SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE POINTED OUT IF YOU'RE LIVING IN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO THE. TO THE WEST RIGHT HERE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT OPEN STORE. YOU'VE GOT AUTOMOBILE STORAGE AND EVERYTHING LOOKING OUT THERE AND THROUGH WROUGHT IRON FENCE. UM I THINK JUST SOME OF THE USE IS ALLOWED THERE. WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT THOSE ARE COMPATIBLE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

UM I THINK THAT IS THE PRIMARY THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY IS JUST THESE USES ALLOWED BY, RIGHT. UM WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS COMPATIBLE FOR RESIDENTS TO BE LOOKING AT. SO YOU CAN GET ON BOARD WITH IT IF WE CAN INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE THAT DISALLOWS MANY WERE MANY WAREHOUSE IN PUBLIC STORAGE IS ONE THAT I MEAN, IS THAT ONE OF THE ONES THAT YOU WOULD BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF IT MANY WHERE I WAS IN PUBLIC STORAGE IS THE USE LIKE IT'S THE PUBLIC STORAGE UNIT. SO IF YOU DISALLOW THAT IN THIS THEY PUBLIC STARTERS. WE WOULDN'T BE THERE BUT THAT YOU SEE AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DRILL DOWN. I'M LIKE, WELL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WHAT IS IT? IS IT THAT YOU THINK THESE ARE GOING TO BE AN EYESORE? LIKE THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BECAUSE THE REASON THAT YOU ALL RECOMMENDED DENIAL IS BECAUSE THE, UM YOU DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THE MINI WAREHOUSE. SPECIFICALLY PUBLIC STORAGE DID NOT FIT WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND I COULD GET ON BOARD WITH THAT. I JUST NEED TO KNOW THE DETAIL BEHIND IT. SO WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS WHERE THEY CLASH. IF IT'S AN EYESORE, OKAY, I CAN I CAN HEAR THAT. IF IT'S PROPERTY VALUES. WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I JUST DON'T KNOW. I JUST KNOW THAT IT'S SORT OF THIS KIND OF IT MAKES SENSE, I GUESS SORT OF THIS VERY GENERAL. IT JUST DOESN'T FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I MEAN. I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. I THINK PRIMARILY, UM COMMERCIAL USERS CAN GO TO RESIDENTIAL USERS, BUT I THINK ALSO AND I DIDN'T IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT THE FUTURE LINE USES RETAIL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UM SO WE ARE OKAY WITH COMMERCIAL USES GOING AND JASON TO RESIDENTIAL.

UM BUT I THINK RETAIL AND SO WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THIS , A BIG COMPONENT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE COUNSEL AND YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED THROUGH THAT AND SAID, HEY, THESE AREAS WERE INDICATED FOR THAT. UM AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT RETAIL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THESE TYPES OF USES RETAIL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IS YOUR MAYBE OFFICES OR BOUTIQUES OR RETAIL SHOP. UM AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WE JUST ADDITION TO BEING ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. I THINK THAT FOR THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY, UM I THINK THE REASON WHY WE'RE IN LANDING ON DENIAL IS BECAUSE IT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AND IT'S ALSO THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY. AND SO, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE

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I JUST WANT TO GET DOWN TO THE POINT. I TOLD HIM I UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I FOLLOW ALONG IN THAT LOGIC. THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE UM. HOW IT'S DEFINED IT JUST IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THEY TAKE MONEY ON SITE. YOU PAY PEOPLE RIGHT THERE. I'M PRETTY SURE I MEAN, UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME ONLINE THING, AND THERE'S NO CASH REGISTERS THAT WILL BE ON SITE. IT'S HIS COMMERCIAL AS COMMERCIAL GETS AND IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. I MEAN, THE ONLY REASON WHY I WOULD THINK IT COULD POTENTIALLY FALL OUT OF THAT DEFINITION IS THAT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND SINCE THE PRIMARY PIECE OF THE BUSINESS THAT TO UNDERSTAND WILL BE THE INTERIOR STORES. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BULK OF THE REVENUE WILL COME FROM THERE, OR THE BULK OF THE BUSINESS WILL COME FROM THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT PART OF THE BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE FUNDED BY THE FOLKS THAT LIVE WITHIN A 23 MILE RADIUS FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS AROUND IT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT USED THAT PART OF IT. BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S A I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEFINE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR THE IT'S JUST BUT BUT BUT IT HELPED OUT A LOT. YOUR RESPONSES KIND OF HELPED ME TOO. YEAH AND I UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, HE WAS JUST TRYING TO GET INFORMATION. SO FOR SURE, YEAH, AND IT'S IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. I GET IT NOW, AND IT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. SIDE. JUST ONE QUESTION ON LIKE PART B TO QUESTIONS HERE IS THREE OF THE FOUR USES THAT REQUIRED S U P HAS TO DO WITH THE OUTDOOR PORTION, WHICH IS THE STORAGE, OUTDOOR STORAGE, INCIDENTAL RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS COMMISSIONER MADE EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW. IF THAT PART WAS ELIMINATED. WOULD.

IF THEY'RE ALL THAT OUTDOOR PART WAS ELIMINATED. WOOD YOUR STAFF'S POSITION STILL BE THE SAME BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THE ONE MINI WAREHOUSE PUBLIC STORAGE REMAINING. OR WOULD THAT CHANGE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT PROJECT OR EVEN IF THAT BUILDING WAS ORIENTED DIFFERENTLY, AND IT WAS TURNED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BECAUSE IT IS BACKING IT'S CITING TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, BUT IF IT MAY BE BACK TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS WITH THAT CHANGE, AND JUST ASKING IF THREE OF THOSE FORWARD UM SCP USES WERE REMOVED AND THE BUILDING WAS ORIENTED DIFFERENT WITH THAT

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IT'S BEEN TABLED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT WOULD THAT WOULD JUST BE MY POSITION AT THIS POINT.

OKAY? UM FIRST THING THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING EVERYTHING, UM, FOR HELPFUL BACARY TOWN STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR DOING A GREAT JOB OF BEING WELL INFORMED ON THIS SO THAT YOU GAVE US WHAT WE NEEDED. TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION. UM, FIRST UH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THE CRESCENT CRUX OF THE ISSUE FROM YOU KNOW, OUR CONVERSATION JUST NOW WAS. IT'S JUST THIS STORAGE FACILITY, NOT THE FACT THAT YOU WANNA MAKE IT COMMERCIAL, NOT THE FACT THAT YOU EVEN WANT TO PUT RETAIL ON IT. IT'S JUST THIS ONE FACILITY THAT JUST I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOT. THE SAME DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A WILL BE THE SAME THING AS US ARGUING WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW. A GAS STATION, OR , UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CALL THE HIGHEST IN HOTEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OR YOU'RE GONNA GET LIKE A YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE VERY SMALL HOTELS THAT YOU KNOW THE EXTENDED STAYS OR YOU CAN GET AN OMNI AND I GUESS WE'RE VIEWING THIS AS AN EXTENDED STAY BEING PUT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE FEEL SHOULD HAVE AND ROMNEY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M NOT. UH BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S THE POSITION. I DON'T KNOW THAT'S A HARD THING FOR ME TO REALLY QUANTIFY AND MAKE A DECISION BASED ON I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD I THINK ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING SUGGESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE EVEN IF IT DOES. HAVE AN ADDITIONAL COST. THAT'S THE COST OF PUTTING WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S THE COST. YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'LL RECOUP IT OVER TIME. I'M SURE IT'S A GREAT LOCATION. THE CITY IS KIND OF GROWING AND EXPANDING, SO I WOULD B. I WILL SUPPORT ANY OF THE LANDSCAPING CHANGES THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SUGGEST, REGARDLESS OF THE IMPACT ON THE COST OF THE PROJECT, AND IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE THE CONVERSATION. I THINK YOU YOU WENT TO THE RESIDENCE AS BEST YOU COULD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN ASK. YOU WENT TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT H OAS.

YOU POSTED IT. YOU LET THEM KNOW IF YOU GOT A PROBLEM. PLEASE COME. LET ME KNOW. UM I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN ANY EVIDENCE THAT THAT TYPE OF THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES ARE THE TYPE THAT LOWERS PROPERTY VALUES. I WOULD NEED TO SEE HARD EVIDENCE. I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT

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APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. STAFF WAS GREAT, VERY INFORMATIVE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO MY GOAL AND MY APPROACH. USUALLY I THINK I SURE WOULD. WE WANT TO FIND A WAY TO APPROVE THINGS THAT'S GENERALLY THE NATURE OF PROSPER. WE WANT TO EVOLVE AND GROW, BUT I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME SOME CONCERNS THAT WE TALKED THROUGH TONIGHT. I DO THINK PRESERVING THE TREES IS GOOD. I LOVE THE PATIOS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF AROUND. SO UM, I THINK TO COMMISSIONER CAMERON'S COMMENTS ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND RETAIL THAT'S CONDUCIVE TO FAMILIES. AND I LOVE THE THAT IDEA THAT YOU PRESENTED. SO I THINK THAT'S A BIG WIN. THE RETAIL IS A GOOD THING. I THINK IT'S A MUCH BETTER USE THAN CURRENT. I AGREE. YOU NOTED THAT UM AND I LIKED THE HIGHER ONCE I GOT CORRECTED BY MY FRIENDS HERE , THE HIGHER USE OF LANDSCAPING AND TREES ALONG ROADS. I THINK THAT'S A BETTERMENT TO THE PROJECTS. THAT'S A AND THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED THAT, SO I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. I THINK ON THE DOWNSIDES, IF YOU WILL, I THINK THE RETAIL CONFIGURATION. I STILL APPRECIATE IT. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M PROBABLY MORE SENSITIVE TO THAT ON COLEMAN THAN I AM ON THE ONE ON PROSPER TRAIL FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. I THINK IT'S BACKS

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MAYBE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BETTER. THE LACK OF SCREEN FENCE FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

THAT'S A WE HAVE TO THINK DOWN THE ROAD. WE CAN'T THINK IT JUST EVERY SINGLE PARTICULAR SITUATIONS AND WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE THERE SO THAT I APPRECIATE YOU BEING AMENABLE TO THAT AND OPEN TO THAT. UM I THINK NO, NOT HAVING ANY LANDSCAPING AROUND THE STORAGE AND THEN THE ELEVATIONS ON THE STORAGE ASSISTANCE REALLY HARD TO TRY TO FLEX OUT OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR. SOME OF THESE SPECIAL USES WHENEVER THERE'S JUST STRETCHING REALLY, REALLY HARD. IN MY OPINION, UM AND I LIKE WHERE YOU WERE HEADED WITH THE SECONDARY EGRESS. THAT SEEMS A LITTLE UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S STILL WORK IN PROGRESS, AND I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE HEADED WITH IT WILL PROBABLY BE BETTER. THEN MY LAST NOTE WAS JUST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S OUR GUIDING DOCUMENT. YOU KNOW, WE GET TO OFFER OPINION, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THEM. SO I THINK FOR THAT REASON I DON'T THINK I COULD SUPPORT IT AS IS, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME EVOLUTION OF IT.

THAT MIGHT MIGHT BE A PROVABLE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. COMMISSION LIKE THAT. UM. OKAY SO I'M YOU KNOW, I GUESS I AGREE WITH WHAT MR HAMILTON'S SAID. I'M CONFLICTED. ON THIS. I AM BUT BOTTOM LINE IS THIS. THIS IS A THIS IS A ZONING REQUEST. UM THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE SITE PLAN APPROVALS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT THIS WAS APPROVED. QUESTION IS BEFORE US IS A ZONING REQUEST. THAT ALLOWS MANY WHERE WAREHOUSE IN PUBLIC STORAGE I JUST AND OUTDOOR STORAGE AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS I JUST CANNOT GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. UM AND, UM, WHILE THERE'S OTHER CHANGES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO THE PLAN THAT'S HERE. IF WE WERE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH IT, UM YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T. I WOULDN'T . I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND APPROVING IT WITHOUT HAVING TABLING IT FIRST AND TRYING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE OTHER CHANGES. BUT AS A ZONING REQUEST, I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT PUTTING MANY WAREHOUSE IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

IT'S TOO CLOSE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. I THINK IT'S NOT NOT THE RIGHT LOCATIONS. WOULD NOT SUPPORT IT. I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT. DO WORK TO THE APPLICANT. UM YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF OUR COMMENTARY HERE, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICT. CHOICES ARE MOTION COULD BE MADE TO TABLE AND IF YOU THINK THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO COME BACK AND A JUSTICE UM , BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT YOU GOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE. BUT THAT'S OUT.

THERE WERE EMOTION WILL BE MADE, UH, EITHER MOVE FORWARD OR DENY IT IN SO I MEAN THAT SO WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLANCHETT, COMMISSIONER CARS AND COMMISSIONER REEVES WITH ALL THE COMMENTS. I WOULD JUST SAY WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE? AND WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND OUR MOTIONS ARE GOING TO BE THOSE THREE THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER HAMBLETON JUST SAID EMOTIONS AND THEN I HEARD A TOWEL. AND WHAT? THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US.

UM TO APPROVE WHICH IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYONE'S GONNA DO OR TABLE. SO IF YOU IF YOU WE'RE WILLING TO TABLE IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT I DON'T THINK THE STORAGE PIECE IS GOING TO IT'S GOING TO GET BY, OKAY? HEY, I LET ME LET ME CAN YOU COME BACK UP ON THAT? SURE. SURE, ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU. CAN I SAY SOMETHING BEFORE YOU DO FIRST? LET ME JUST SAY THIS. I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO TABLE AND ACTION. AND WITHOUT GIVING THEM SPECIFIC DIRECTIONS AS TO WHAT WE WANT TO SEE WHICH WE'VE DONE. BUT IF ONE OF THOSE MEANS, YOU KNOW, IF MANY WAREHOUSE FOR INSTANCE, IF WE'RE OPPOSED TO THAT AND THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT OUT. THERE IS NO REASON WASTING HIS TIME TAKING IT AGAIN, WE SAID NOT APPROVE IT AND LET HIM GO ONTO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND TALKED THEM INTO IT, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT PUTS THEM INTO EXTRA EXPENSE THAT THEY THAT'S GOING TO BE DEFEATED ANY AND I THINK THAT WAS MY POINT. WAS THAT YOU KNOW YOU KNOW IT COULD BE TABLED ONLY IF HE FEELS THAT IT COULD BE ADJUSTED. BUT OBVIOUSLY HE'S YOU'VE HEARD ALL OF OUR COMMENTARY. AND SO THE QUESTION LIKE YOU WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD , BUT I GUESS I DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, NOT GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TABLE SINCE IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD, AND WE'RE ALL SOMEWHAT CONFLICTED OVER IT. AND IF HE WANTS US TO MOVE FORWARD AND BEGIN TO MOVE FORWARD, AS AS IT IS, BUT IF HE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE SOME MORE TIME TO DIGEST SOME OF THE FEEDBACK AND COME

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THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME UP . I WAS JUST GOING TO GO WITH WHAT YOU ARE IS AS I MENTIONED THAT THE SELF STORAGE IS KIND OF KEYSTONE TO THIS PROPERTY. IT'S TIGHT AND PD THAT THE REST WOULD ALSO BE THERE. BUT IF YOU'RE ADAMANT OF NO SELF STORAGE, I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND FOR DENIAL. WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT WE WERE JUST KEEP THE PROPERTY IT WOULDN'T GET IMPROVED, AND IT WOULD JUST BE BUILDINGS FOR H VAC COMPANY OR ROOFING COMPANY AND JUST TURN THAT HOUSES INTO COMMERCIAL USE OR SELL IT TO A RELIGIOUS GROUP. SO THAT'S OUR OTHER TWO OPTIONS IF SELF STORAGE IN I HAVE TO RESPECT THAT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK UP AND SAYING THAT RIGHT BECAUSE YOU HAD A LOT OF DEBATE UP HERE. I THINK THIS IS MOST DEBATE WE'VE HAD SINCE WELL NOW SINCE SINCE PRADERA YEAH. OH YEAH. THE TREES. YEAH, THAT WAS A GOOD ONE. SO APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK UP AND STATING THAT BECAUSE THAT THAT'S THE HELPS US TO COMMISSIONER BLANCHETT POINT IF WE DO TAKE A MOTION TO THE DYE THE COUNCIL WILL GET THEY WILL HEAR THIS. THEY WILL SEE IT AND THEN THEY CAN VOTE WHATEVER WAY THEY WANT AS WELL. SO AT THIS TIME. I GUESS WE'RE DONE WITH COMMENTS. UM I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. UM, WHETHER IT'S TO DENY TABLE OR OR PROVE, UM. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, SUBJECT TO STAFF COMMENTS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMILTON'S DENY. FOR THE SECOND. SECOND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER CARSON STRUGGLE WITH MY NAME SO MUCH. ALL IN FAVOR. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 1.

[5. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.]