[1. Call to Order / Roll Call.]
[CONSENT AGENDA]
[3d. Consider and act upon a request for a Site Plan for Gates of Prosper, Phase 3, Block B, Lot 2, on 15.8± acres, located north of US-380 and west of Preston Road. The property is zoned Planned Development-67 (PD-67) Gates of Prosper. (DEVAPP-23-0164) ]
[4. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request for a Planned Development for Mini-Warehouse/Public Storage, Restaurant, and Retail uses on 8.7± acres on Collin County School Land Survey, Abstract 147, Tracts 1-7 and 28, located on the northwest corner of North Coleman Street and West Prosper Trail. The property is zoned Agricultural and Commercial. (ZONE-23-0017)]
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CONSIDERING ACT UPON A REQUEST. FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR MANY WAREHOUSE, PUBLIC STORAGE,
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RESTAURANT AND RETAIL USES ON 8.7 ACRES. ON COLLIN COUNTY SCHOOL LAND SURVEY. ABSTRACT 147 TRACKS ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND 28. LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH COMMON STREET IN WEST PROSPER TRAIL. THE PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL. THIS IS CASES ON DASH 23-0017. OKAY SO THIS ITEM, UM STAFFERS REQUESTING TO BE TABLED ADDITIONAL TIME IS NEEDED TO FINALIZE OUTSTANDING STAFF COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE STAFF RECOMMENDS TABLING ISLAND, CONTINUING THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE MEETING ON JANUARY 2ND 2024. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING. CORRECT. SO I WILL GO AHEAD ON ADAM NUMBER FOUR THIS EVENING AND OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM AND CONTINUED THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE JANUARY 2ND 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.GLASER ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION. SO WE ARE MEETING JANUARY 2ND VERSUS UM LATER. YES. UM I KNOW.
SO WE KIND OF HAD THE DEBATE ON IF WE'RE GOING TO DO DECEMBER 19TH OR JANUARY 2ND, BUT
[5. Conduct a Public Hearing to consider a request for a Specific Use Permit to allow Retail Stores and Shops, a Convenience Store (without Gas Pumps), Dry Cleaning, Minor, and Gymnastics/Dance Studio uses on 3.6± acres on Windsong Ranch Office Addition, Block A, Lot 2, located south of Parvin Road and east of North Teel Parkway. The property is zoned Planned Development-103 (PD-103) Windsong Ranch Office. (ZONE-23-0023)]
THE DISTRICT SO WHAT YOU SEE. UM ON THE LEFT OF THE SLIDE IS FROM THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. AND IT DOES STATE THAT THERE WERE THREE ADDITIONAL USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND THEN THERE WAS A LIST OF USES THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY APPROPRIATE BUT NEEDED TO BE VETTED OUT THROUGH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT PROCESS. OF THOSE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUESTING COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT AND DOOR OR RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THRU, BUT IS REQUESTING THE OTHER. USES WHAT YOU ALREADY MENTIONED. UM IN INTRODUCING THIS THIS TOPIC SO STAFF IS EVALUATED IT AND IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. AND THE USES THAT ARE SURROUNDING IT , AND WE FIND THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE. UM AND LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BUILDINGS. AH 12,100 SQUARE FEET FOR THE SOUTHERN BUILDING AND 13,880 SQUARE FEET FOR THE NORTHERN BUILDING. AND OF THAT 5600 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE RESTAURANT[00:10:04]
AND THEY HAD THE REST OF YOU RETAIL TYPE SHOPS. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THAT THESE BUILDINGS WHICH ARE GREATER THAN 10,000, SQUARE FEET, BE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 72 FT FROM THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND 88 FT. FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. SO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.FOR OFFICE IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING AN OFFICE OWNING DISTRICT YOU HAVE TO BE 200 FT OR MORE FROM ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S LARGER THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET. SO AS PART OF THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A MODIFICATION OF THAT TO ALLOW THE BUILDINGS AS SHOWN IN THEIR CURRENT, UM POSITION AS WELL AS THEIR CURRENT, UM SIZE.
ADDITIONALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DRESSED AS SCREENING AND THE TYPICAL SCREENING REQUIREMENT FOR A NON RESIDENTIAL USE. TODAY CENTER RESIDENTIAL IS A WALL WITH TREES. EVERY 30 FT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A LIVING SCREEN IN LOUISVILLE WALL STAFF FINDS THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE DUE TO THE HAVING KIND OF A SOFTER, UM, SCREEN TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS FLOODPLAIN AND THAT IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE SCREENING ADJACENT TO ANY ADDITIONAL RETAIL OR RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST. ASSUMING THAT THE PROSPER INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT DEVELOPS IT. WE FIND THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ADJACENT TO A SCHOOL AS WELL. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED. AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION. THE FACADE PROPOSED FACADE PLANS. THOSE ARE IN YOUR PACKET. SO IN INVOLVED IN EVALUATING THIS WE DO FIND THAT THE REESE USE IS REASONABLE AND THAT THEY HAVE MITIGATED SURROUNDING UM, ANY IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE LIVING SCREEN? ALSO. BUT THEY HAVE SATISFIED. UM. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS THAT THE PROPERTY WOULD BE RETAIL AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS. FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. UM WE DO FIND OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW RETAIL STORES AND SHOPS CONVENIENCE STORE WITHOUT GAS PUMPS, THE MINOR DRY CLEANING. AND GYMNASTICS DANCE STUDIO USES ON THE PROPERTY. WITH THE BUILDING SIZE AND PLACEMENT AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AND A LIVING SCREEN AS SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN EXHIBIT. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT. SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE ABOUT THE SETBACKS? SURE UM, SO 72 FT. 88 FT AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE, THEN GO. ONE MORE SLIDE UP. OKAY SO IF I UNDERSTOOD IT, YOU SAID THAT IT HAD TO BE 200 FT FROM A RESIDENTIAL USE. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CHANGING IN THE S U P RIGHT? YES, THAT'S PART OF THAT QUESTION, BUT I DON'T SEE. SO THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL USER RIGHT SOUTH OF HIS SOUTH OF THIS IS FLOODPLAINS, SO IT'S ZONED ZONE RESIDENTIAL SO ITS USERS OWNING SO BECAUSE OF THE ZONING IT WOULD REQUIRE THE 200 FT. SO I MEAN, IS IT IS IT DEVELOPABLE IS I MEAN, IF IT'S ALREADY IN FLOOD, IS IT ALL ABOUT 500 FT TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL. SO IF YOU LOOK BACK ON THE ON THIS AERIAL. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY RESIDENTIAL LOTS. FAR AS I'M AWARE WITHIN THAT FLOODPLAIN, WHICH IS ABOUT 500 FT, FROM THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE TO, UM THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN TRAIL EAST IS YOU SAID AS SCHOOL DISTRICT CORRECT IT'S OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ZONE AREAS.
IT'S DON'T ZONE RESIDENTIAL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. IT'S IDENTIFIED AS RETAIL.
NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. SO AND IN TERMS OF NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. WE'RE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL WOULD WE TYPICALLY ALLOW A LIVING SCREEN OR DO WE USUALLY REQUIRE A WALL.
THE REQUIREMENTS OF WAR, BUT THE APPLICANT CAN ALWAYS REQUEST THE LIVING SCREEN AND THEN THE PLANNING IS ON A COMMISSION CAN DETERMINE WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT. OKAY, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC GANG. DAVID
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COULD I EXCUSE ME? I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT ON THE QUESTION THAT ARE EXCUSE ME COMMENT ABOUT NOT HAVING ANY COMMENTS BACK FROM THE PUBLIC. THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT, AND IT'S NOT THIS PORTER'S FAULT BECAUSE THE EMAIL WAS SENT TO ME, BUT I SENT AN EMAIL OFF TO THE WINDSONG DEVELOPERS IN PARTICULAR. DAVID BLOOM. TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND I GOT A RESPONSE AND EMAIL RESPONSE BACK FROM HIM , SAYING THAT THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS AND BUT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW, AND HE'S ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM, BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL PROCESS. WHERE WE GET BACK TO NOTICE IS THAT WE SENT OUT APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK. IT'S GOOD ENOUGH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS. WHO ELSE HAS WELL? JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION. WE HAVE RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH SEE THE ASTERISK, WHICH IS SAYING THAT IT'S NOT BEING REQUESTED WITH THE SCP. BUT WILL IT BE INCLUDED? AS A PERMITTED USE AND THE S U P SO IT WON'T BE ANYWHERE AT ALL OKAY? AND JUST. ANOTHER QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THE DRY CLEANING MINOR THAT MEANS THEY WILL WE ACTUALLY BE DOING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW THE LARGER DIRECT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING A LOT OF THE WORK ON SITE, SO IT'S A LOT BIGGER. PRODUCTION IS THAT IS THAT THE SORT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING MINOR AND MAJOR UM YEAH, THE APPLICANT CAN IS HERE AND COULD ADDRESS THAT. BUT YEAH, THERE ARE TWO DEFINITIONS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFY EACH SO WE WOULD ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS THE MINOR. WHICH IS JUST YOUR TYPICAL PLACE WHERE YOU DROP OFF YOUR FIGURED. OKAY ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ONE OF THE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS SIMILAR AS DRY CLEANING MINOR MEANING YOU'RE CLEANING ON SITE OR JUST DISTRIBUTING CLOTHES AND TAKING THEM IN BECAUSE THERE DEFINITELY IS A DIFFERENT USE. SURE GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. I'LL PULL UP THE DEFINITION. AND THEN HOW DO YOU PLACE THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT COULD BE NEARBY. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIRECT CLEANERS THAT ARE CLEANING THEIR DOORS ARE OPEN. THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC. THERE'S MORE TRASH IN THE BACKSIDE. JUST DON'T KNOW IF I WAS A RESIDENT NEXT TO THAT. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S A CHANGE AND THEN THE LIST WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT LIST THAT'S FROM KIMBERLY HORN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. IT'S REFERENCING OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. THIS IS JUST KIND OF FOR REFERENCE, OR WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE KIM LEE HORN LETTER? SO THE LETTER OF INTENT WAS DID INCLUDE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, AND SO AS WE LOOKED AT IT UM, SMALL GROCERY STORE, FOR INSTANCE, THAT IS A RETAIL USE BREWERY PUB. SO RESTAURANT TYPE USE, WHICH IS ALREADY ALLOWED BY RIGHT FOR THE PD. UM THE BEAUTY SALON WE CONSIDERED FIT INTO THE RETAIL STORES AND SHOPS. ICE CREAM AGAIN PICK UP STATION NOT EXCEEDING 6000 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO DRY CLEANING PLANTS, HAVING NO MORE THAN 1500 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA FOR DRY CLEANING EQUIPMENT. AND A DIRECT CLEANING MAJOR, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT USE MEANS INDUSTRIAL FACILITY. WORK FABRICS ARE CLEANED WITH SUBSTANTIALLY NON ACQUIS ORGANIC SOLVENTS ON A COMMERCIAL OR WHOLESALE BASIS. THAT'S INTERESTING. THAT'S GOOD, GOOD, GOOD TO UNDERSTAND. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ON THE 200 FT SETBACK. YOU DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING TO THE WEST. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S UNDER 200. TYPICALLY WHENEVER THERE'S A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE DIVIDING RESIDENTIAL FROM COMMERCIAL OR NON RESIDENTIAL USE THIS CONVERSATION, UM THAT'S CONSIDERED A MAJOR KIND OF BARRIER. BUT I DID DO A MEASUREMENT AND IT IS JUST THE WIDTH OF TEAL ALONE IS OVER 100 AND 50 FT SO IT WOULDN'T MEET[00:20:03]
THE REQUIREMENT THERE EVEN IF YOU EVEN IF IT WERE APPLIED OKAY? THE LAST QUESTION, WHICH COULD OPEN GREAT CAN OF WORMS BASED ON OUR LAST MEETING, BUT CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT A LIVING WALL IS, AS IT RELATES TO THE TOWN OF PROSPEROUS DEFINITION? BECAUSE TO ME, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IN THIS HOLE. SETUP IS SO THE INTENT IS THAT THOSE EVERGREEN TREES. WOULD BE PLANTED AND A TRIANGULAR PATTERN SO THAT THEY WOULD BE FULL AND SCREEN COMPLETELY. YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THEM. EVENTUALLY WHEN THE VERDICT GIRL . OKAY? I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. AND I MAY BE OFF. I CAN BE DIRECTLY DIRECTIONALLY CHALLENGED AT TIMES. BUT I THINK THERE IS ABOUT A MILE TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION.ISN'T THERE LIKE A 711 OR SOMETHING? THERE? ON. MAYBE A LITTLE ON FIRST AND THE INTERSECTION OF I THINK LIKE FIRST AND PEEL THERE'S AN X ON THERE. IS THAT AN EXXON? OKAY IT'S LIKE AN EXXON. OKAY SO ONE OF THE PERMITTED USES IS A CONVENIENCE STORE WITHOUT GAS PUMPS, AND THIS ONE. THE OTHER ONE DOES HAVE GAS PUMPS. BUT THEN IF LET'S JUST HAPPENED, I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE I'M WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT ONLY FILE S U P BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT LISTS. IT IS CONVENIENT STORE WITHOUT GAS PUMPS ON THAT. YES THAT IS REQUESTED. AND JUST TO CLARIFY ALONG WITH THIS S U P. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED WITH THESE EXHIBITS, SO IT'S GOING TO BE TWO BUILDINGS IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND MODIFY THAT TO A SMALLER BUILDING OR THREE OR FOUR BUILDINGS OR OR SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK THROUGH A NEW SCP PROCESS, SO IF THEY DO HAVE A CONVENIENT STORE WITHOUT GAS PUMPS, IT'S GOING TO FIT IN THOSE FOOTPRINTS, RIGHT? ONLY THE ONLY THING I WAS JUST WANTED. BE SURE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TOO CONVENIENT AND YOU COULD HAVE TWO CONVENIENCE STORES WITHIN LIKE A MILE. OF EACH OTHER RIGHT? MAYBE A MILE AND SOME CHANGE OF EACH OTHER. I DON'T KNOW IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN MY MIND THAT WOULD CHANGE THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO PUT TWO CONVENIENCE STORES WITHIN A MILE OF ONE ANOTHER. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW. THAT'S I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEN SO BE IT. BUT I DO THINK I DON'T KNOW. DO WE HAVE ANY TOWN GUIDANCE AROUND? HOW CLOSE TOGETHER CAN HOW HOW MANY CONVENIENCE STORES THERE ARE OR GAS PUMPS OR WHATEVER, WITHIN A PARTICULAR WELL, WE DO HAVE A REGULATION WHEN IT COMES TO CONVENIENCE STORES WITH GAS PUMPS. THERE IS A THRESHOLD OF MAXIMUM TWO ON AN INTERSECTION OF MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. SO I MEAN, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE TWO CORNERS OF MAJOR THOROUGHFARE INTERSECTION HAS STORES SO THERE IS NO REGULATION FOR YOU KNOW, DISTANCE OTHER THAN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT WOULD BE LIKE AN A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. YOU WOULD SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAVE THAT LOOK INSIDE A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT'S REALLY A CURRENTLY JUST HOUSES AND THAT ONE CONVENIENCE STORE THAT WOULD CHANGE THE LOOK IS, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL ALL THAT STUFF. I JUST WONDERED IF THAT WAS I GUESS WE'LL TALK TO THE APPLICANT AND FIND OUT IF THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IN THE PLANS OR NOT, BECAUSE I JUST I THINK THAT WOULD CHANGE THE LOOK OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD THE MINISTER OR THAT CLOSE TO ANOTHER CONVENIENCE STORE. YEAH SO WHAT? WHAT'S THE WHAT QUALIFIES A CONVENIENT STORE THAT A GAS PUMP VERSUS A RETAIL STORE. WELL CONVENIENCE STORE YOU SOMETIMES HAVE SOME GROCERY TYPE USE, AND I MEAN IT THERE. THEY COULD BE SOMEWHAT.
THE SAME GROCERY STORE HAS ITS COMEDIANS WERE KIND OF HAS ALL THE ELEMENTS OF A GROCERY STORE AND SOME RETAIL SHOPS TOGETHER. UM I'VE PERSONALLY NEVER SEEN A PERMIT FOR CONVENIENCE STORE WITHOUT GAS PUMPS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, RETAIL OR GROCERY. THERE'S ONE RIGHT HERE OFF OF COLEMAN. I WILL GO THERE. THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. WHICH. ONE WHAT'S THAT CALLED? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED NOW, BUT IT USED TO BE CALLED BOYD'S, UM, ACROSS THREE YEAR. I WORK IN C P. G C AND CONSUME CONSUMER PRODUCT GOODS AND WORK DIRECTLY WITH BIG CONVENIENCE STORE CHAINS. SO A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL DO IT WITHOUT GAS PUMPS. SO IT COULD FIT INTO A COMMUNITY. VERSUS HAVING THE GAS PUMPS, AND IT'S JUST MORE LIKE A LITTLE GROCERY STORE FOR THE
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PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND IT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD PUT IT WITHOUT GAS BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A TRAFFIC DRIVER. BUT BUT THEY DO IT TO SEE YOU. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE CAN ASK SOME MORE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, SO LET'S GO AHEAD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE THIS EVENING . AND IF THE APPLICANTS HERE THIS EVENING, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND, UH. PRESENTATION AND APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. MY NAME IS JEFFREY DOLAN WITH KIM LEE HORN, CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS 13455 NOEL ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS, 75 TO 40 APPRECIATE STAFF RUNNING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION , I THINK IN TERMS OF USE IS SOMETHING THAT MAY JUST BE WORTH CONSIDERING. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY VERY EARLY ON IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE STEPS OF THE TOWN'S DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AS WE GO THROUGH HERE, THE SDP AND THE PSP WILL THEN MOVE ON TO SITE PLANNING ENGINEERING IN.TYPICALLY WHAT I SEE WITH OUR CLIENTS ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT INVOLVE KIND OF A MULTI TENANT RETAIL TYPE USES. THEY REALLY HAVE TO GET INTO CONSTRUCTION AND ALLOW POTENTIAL TENANTS TO SEE THE PROGRESS ON THE PROJECT AND BE ABLE TO HAVE A REALLY DEFINED TIMELINE BEFORE TENANTS ARE WILLING TO SIGN A LEASE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHAT OUR CLIENTS ARE ASKING US TO DO IS COME IN WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE, AND THEY BELIEVE A REASONABLE USES FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL USE LIKE THIS. AND SO THERE ISN'T NECESSARILY A SPECIFIC CONVENIENCE STORE TENANT THAT'S LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY THAT IS READY TO SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE BASED ON APPROVAL TODAY, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST MORE OF TRYING TO GET AN ALLOWABLE LIST OF USES THAT THE TOWN AND COMMISSION BELIEVED WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND IN THIS PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY, SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS CLARIFY THE INTENT OF THE DEVELOPERS. MAYBE EXPLAIN ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME SEVERAL COMMENTS ON THE LIVING SCREEN. KIND OF WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT? PROCESS ON THAT? HOW BIG ARE THESE? YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE TOWN'S GOT GUIDELINES THERE.
BUT WHAT DO Y'ALL THINKING ON THAT AND I'M SURE THERE'LL BE IRRIGATION AND ALL THAT, BUT WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS ON YOUR END FROM THAT VERSUS A WALL? YEAH ABSOLUTELY. SO CERTAINLY IT'S GOING TO BE IRRIGATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN'S REQUIREMENTS. IT'S GOING TO BE EVERGREEN SHRUBS THAT ARE GOING TO BE GREEN YEAR ROUND. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DECIDUOUS, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LEAVES FALLING AND BE BEAR FOR FORCED FOUR MONTHS A YEAR. UM, THE IDEA JUST BEING THAT WITH THE POSITION OF THIS PROPERTY AND THE FLOOD PLAIN TO THE SOUTH, IT'S ALREADY CREATING A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NATURAL BUFFER. UM AND A LIVING SCREEN IS GOING TO MAKE IT LOOK IN MY OPINION, MORE NATURAL FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING SOUTH OF THE FLOOD PLANETS LOOKING ACROSS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A SIX OR 8 FT MASONRY WALL. UM, THAT JUST LOOKS IN MANY WAYS, IN MY OPINION, JUST LIKE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WITHOUT WINDOWS. UM AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE EAST WHILE IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, UM, THE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT ALREADY OWNS THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE PLANS FOR FUTURE SCHOOL THERE. UM AND HAVING AGAIN A LIVING SCREEN AND IT NOT BEING AN ACTUAL RESIDENTIAL USE SEEMED MORE APPROPRIATE. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TREAT A SCHOOL LIKE AN ACTUAL RESIDENTIAL USE, SO WE FELT LIKE IT WOULD FIT BETTER IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE LIVING SCREEN, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE IN A WAY KIND OF THAT TRIANGULAR SHAPE OR DOUBLE ROW OF EVERGREEN SHRUBS IN ADDITION TO THE TREES THAT WE ALREADY ACCOUNT FOR, AND THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS AROUND THE PARKING ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING. RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY QUIT ANOTHER SOME OTHER QUESTIONS HERE, COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON VARIOUS ITEMS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING? ONLY ONE DID THE I THINK YOU CALL IT A VETERINARY CLINIC TO THE NORTH . DOES IT HAVE A SCREEN WALL? I BELIEVE THEY INCORPORATED A LIVING SCREEN INTO THEIR PROJECT . BUT IT WASN'T. NO, THEY DID NOT HAVE A LIVING SCREEN, OKAY? THEY HAVE A WALL OR FENCE. SORRY I APOLOGIZE. NOT FOR YOU, OKAY? UM I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE BACKGROUND FOR THAT APPROVAL. HOWEVER, I DID LOOK AT THE PLANS, AND IT APPEARS THAT WHENEVER THAT WAS REVIEWED, UM THE SD PROPERTY WAS CONSIDERED NON RESIDENTIAL. SO IT HAS BEEN ON RESIDENTIAL SETBACKS THAT DOES NOT HAVE SCREENING. UM WE FELT THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO APPLY THAT REQUIRED SCREENING ON THIS TRACK. ESPECIALLY DUE TO THE LENGTH OF THE BOUNDARY THAT THEY SHARE SO NO, THERE IS NOT ANY SCREENING ON THE NORTH SIDE. FOR THE VETERINARY CLINIC. NO ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE VETERINARY CLINIC. RIGHT AND THEN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE VETERINARY CLINIC IS MOSTLY A DRY VILE. THAT'S LIKE A SHARED DR ISLES. SO THAT'S WHAT'S NORTH. JUST DIDN'T WANT TO. ASSUME THAT. MAYBE IT SHOULD HAVE HAD A FENCE PER AND THEN THEN PUT UP 300 FT FENCE. AND THEN THIS PROPERTY GETS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, RIGHT? NO, THEY YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION.
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OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. ALRIGHT. WELL THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ADAM. NUMBER FIVE. DID WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON PUBLIC.DON'T NUMBER FIVE PUBLIC HEARING OUT THIS EVENING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ONE QUESTION FOR SUZANNE ON ON THE WITH REGARD TO DRIVE THROUGHS. I SAW THAT THERE WAS THE WITH THE DRY CLEANING CAN THAT BE? IT CAN BE A DRIVE THROUGH. YES IT CAN HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH. IT DIDN'T SPECIFY THAT IT COULDN'T DOES IT HAVE TO DOES IT HAVE TO FALL UNDER ALL THE DRIVE THROUGH ORDINANCES THAT WE JUST PASSED? YES, I WOULD. AND UM YOU KNOW THEY. IF A DRIVE THRU DOES GO IN HERE, THEY WOULD NEED TO CHANGE THEIR PLANS AND BASED ON HOW THAT CHANGE LOOKS AND WHERE IT IS, IT MAY NEED TO COME BACK. THROUGH EITHER DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, NEW PRIMARY SITE PLAN, MAYBE EVEN NEWS OF SCP CASE. SO WE WOULD EVALUATE THAT THERE'S A THRESHOLD OF CHANGES YOU CAN MAKE BETWEEN APPROVAL OF AN S U P AND WE'RE CONSTRUCTING THAT SO MHM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANKS SUZANNE FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE INFORMATION, GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AND I'LL TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION COMMENTS. YEAH, WE HAD THE WELL. I JUST CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S OKAY? SO TECHNICALLY, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC AREA. HOW DO WE NEED TO DO THAT? DO WE REOPEN? OKAY? SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND WE'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AND THEN I'LL ASK YOU TO STEP FORWARD TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU BACK THERE. RAISE YOUR HAND. NO WORRIES. APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP. THANK YOU. HI. I'M ROGER HERE. I'M A RESIDENT AT PRINCETON RANCH, AND MY ADDRESS IS 4340 CORN BELT LINE. UM I'M ALSO INVESTOR INTO THE RETAIL AND INVESTMENT. AND THE REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF LIKE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 380. THERE'S NOTHING ON THE NORTH SIDE RIGHT AND THE PROPOSITION THAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE. IT'S NOT JUST FROM MY INVESTMENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT AS A RESIDENT, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS AS WELL. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RETAIL, THE TYPE OF RETAIL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 380. SO THAT'S WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSITION. WE JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU APPRECIATE YOUR INVESTMENT. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. SO NOW ANY OTHER COMMENTS THE DIDN'T MISS ANYONE ELSE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND THEN CLOSE ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENT CONVERSATION. MOTION. MY ONLY COMMENT THIS FOR US TO CONSIDER, IS IT? I DON'T KNOW IF I LOVE THE LIVING BALL. I MEAN EVERYTHING ELSE. I'M PRETTY GOOD WITH THIS FOR WHAT? IT'S WORTH, GUYS, BUT I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE MAKING A VARIANCE AWAY, AND I REALIZED IT'S A SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY AND PROBABLY PRETTY LIKELY THAT WILL GO TO SCHOOL. BUT WITHOUT KNOWING THAT ARE WE GOING TO PUT A BURDEN ON THE SCHOOL TO THE SCREEN THAT ARE WE GOING TO PUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT IS THAT? I'M JUST LOOKING TO THE EAST, NORTH AND WEST. I DON'T THINK ARE OF CONCERN. AND THEN I DON'T THINK THE SOUTH IS BUT IT IS A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE ABOUT 120 30 FT TO THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, SO I KNOW IT'S NOT QUITE THAT EASY, BUT THEORETICALLY, THAT COULD BE DEVELOPABLE WITH IT. WAS PART OF AN EXTENSION OF THE TRACK, SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE VARY FROM SOMETHING PRETTY PRETTY STRICT, UNUSUALLY LIKE A LIKE A WALL AROUND. SINGLE FAMILY TO A COMMERCIAL USE SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW. THAT'S MY ONLY REAL EXCEPTION THAT I DON'T KNOW, FIRMLY TAKE IT, BUT JUST TO SHARE WITH THE GROUP GOOD POINT. MANY OTHER SUMMITS. AND THEN SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING IS WE GO FORWARD ON ITEM FIVE. IF WE DO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, AND YOU KNOW IF THAT MOTIONS GOT SOME SPECIFIC ADAMS NOTED. WHETHER IT'S THE WALL OR USE OR SOMETHING. DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. THEN WE JUST NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IN THE MOTION. UH, REGARDING THAT THE LANDSCAPE ME, I GUESS I HAVE MIXED THOUGHTS ON THAT AS
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WELL. ONLY THING I'D SAY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE COME IN WITH LARGE ENOUGH TREES FROM THE GET GO, RIGHT. AND I HAVE SMALL THINGS THAT TAKE FOREVER TO GROW . SO I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN WORK, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO MAKE THE NOTION OF EMOTION THERE TO EXTENT THAT WE START OFF A LITTLE BIT LARGER. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CALIBER WRITINGS ARE THAT WE HAVE YOU KNOW, I KIND OF THINKING WITH AND HIGH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT THAT'D BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THERE THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE SMALL PLANTS FOR YEARS BEFORE THEY GET TOO LARGE.FOR LARGE ENOUGH, I SHOULD SAY. IT WAS THE SAME. COMMISSIONER CARSON. I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT A SECOND AGO. AND SO I THINK THAT'S A VALID THING. IF WE WANT TO PUT THAT IN THE MOTION, I GUESS WHERE DOES THIS GO TO COUNCIL? SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE COULD ADVERTISE IT FOR THE NINTH OF JANUARY COUNCIL. YES AND I DO HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT THEY PROVIDED HAS THE INFORMATION ON THE SIZES OF THE TREES THAT WOULD BE IN THAT AREA. SO SLIDE ANYWHERE THAT WE COULD UM YOU KNOW IT WAS HIM SIX OR IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. IT'S ON PAGE 66. THE TREES. THERE'S A VARIETY OF SPECIES. IN THAT AREA. HMM. TWO PARTICULARLY AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL BE I'M SURE I GET THE RIGHT SPECIES. UM ONE IS JUNIPER. I'M SORRY I ASSUMED IN AND IT IT'S A 10 TO 12 FT. UM BUT I'M SORRY, I MY SCREEN JUST WENT BLANK. UM SO THE SPECIES I CAN'T STAY HERE WE GO. IT'S A ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE EASTERN RED CEDAR. THREE INCH CALIBER 10 TO 12 FT. HIGH THANK YOU. AND LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE TWO SPECIES IN THERE.
BUT THEY'RE ALL 12. FT. HIGHER, PLEASE. AT THE TIME OF PLANTING. AND OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DID TAKE A LOOK AT IT. FURTHER LANDSCAPE PLANNER IN THE HEAT. GOOD WITH EVERYTHING HE WAS, YEAH. DO WE DO WE HAVE A FORMAL DEFINITION AS BUT TOWN FOR A LIVING SCREEN WALL? UM IT DOESN'T SPECIFY HEIGHTS OR ANYTHING. SO UM OR BUT WE DO HAVE A LIST OF APPROVED TYPES OF VEGETATION SPECIES. SO THIS ONE UM. LIKE I SAID, JUST LOOKING THROUGH HERE. THEY'RE ALL THREE INCH CALIBER, A TIME OF PLANTING AND THE TREES. UM, RANGE FROM THERE'S HOLLY'S 8 10 FT IN HEIGHT. CEDARS 10 TO 12. BROKE 13 TO 16 ALBUMS 1614 TO 16. I KNOW THAT'S THAT'S SOME OF THOSE WERE SITUATION OR ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR LAYING ESCAPE PLAN HAS THE DETAILED INFORMATION MAYBE WE COULD INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF RIGHT IF WE LIKE, BUT THEY'RE SUBMITTING THAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THREE INCH CALIBER. THAT'S THE RIGHT SIZE, YOU KNOW, AND 10 TO 12 FT PLANNING. IF THAT'S A CONCERN. THANK YOU. WE IMPROVE IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT IS POSSIBLE. IT'S GOING TO BE THE APPROVED LANDSCAPE PLANNING. THIS GOES FORWARD. CORRECT. YES, THAT WILL BE AN EXHIBIT. PROMISE HEIGHTS, NOT OUR CONCERN. DENSITIES ARE CONCERNED. COME AND TALK FOR I TREE THAT LOOKS LIKE A STICK. YEAH. MR CHAIR IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING, UM. THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN ORDINANCES THAT ALLOW FOR LIVING SCREENING VERSUS THE WALLS AND IT'S GENERALLY IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE CASES, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S DETERMINED BY STAFF IF IT'S APPROPRIATE AT THE LOCATION, AND I CAN TELL YOU SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE DONE A COUPLE OF SCHOOLS AND HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT UPCOMING SCHOOLS. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE DOING A NEW ONE EVERY MONTH. AND SO THEY COME ABOUT PRETTY QUICKLY. IN A LOT OF INSTANCES, THEY PREFER THE LIVING WALLS AS OPPOSED TO, OR THE LIVING SCREENS AS OPPOSED TO THE WALLS FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS GENERALLY. IF THEY'RE BUILDING WHERE THEIR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS ARE ALREADY THERE, THERE'S GENERALLY ALREADY OFFENSE THERE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT A BRICK WALL RIGHT BEHIND THE WOODEN FENCE, BECAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOT THAT SPACE IN THE MIDDLE. THAT'S NEVER NEVER LAND THAT I'LL SORTS OF THINGS CAN GO ON.
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