[3d. Consider and act upon a Site Plan for a City Park, on 10.1± acres, located south of Lovers Lane and west of South Coleman Street. The property is zoned Planned Development-67 (PD-67) Gates of Prosper. (DEVAPP-23-0123)]

BELIEVE I DON'T THREE D THIS EVENING. AND SO ON. I DON'T THREE D. I DON'T KNOW. IF WE WANT A QUICK QUICK REVIEW OF THAT, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER BLANCH SAID, HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THERE. SO OKAY IN IN IN SHORT, THIS IS PART OF THE GATES OF PROSPER DEVELOPMENT IS PARK THAT IT'S BEING BUILT AS PART OF THAT OVERALL LAYOUT. IT'S ROUGHLY 10 ACRES AND SIZE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT IS, UM. THOSE ARE JUST MORE OF THE ACTUAL EASEMENTS AND TECHNICAL DATA, BUT THERE'S SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. MY QUESTION WAS SIMPLY AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS. I DIDN'T SEE ANY LOCATION FOR PARKING OR ANYTHING. IS THERE ANY PARKING PLANNED FOR THIS PARK OR THERE? THERE WILL BE AS PART OF THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT . UM AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE HAD A SLIDE THAT SHOWED YOU WHAT THE WHOLE AREA LOOK LIKE, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL PARKLAND THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR THEIR TRAILS THAT WILL BE CONNECTED TO IT. THERE IS PARKING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED.

THIS PIECE WAS JUST READY TO GO. AND SO IT WAS, UM IN THE PLANNING PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO GET ACCEPTED BY THE CITY. SO, UM OKAY, SO, BUT FOR THIS PIECE, THERE'S NOT ANY PARKING JUST FOR THIS PIECE IS NOT ANY RIGHT NOW. AS FAR AS THIS ACCEPTANCE WE'RE JUST ACCEPTING THAT THE LAND IN THE PARK PIECE BUT THERE WILL BE AS PART OF THE OVERALL PLAN AND OVERALL DEVELOPMENT OF GATES. IT WAS QUITE A BIT MORE TO COME THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW. BECAUSE THIS IS HOW THIS IS LIKE 10 ACRES OR IT'S JUST OVER 10 ACRES 10.2. I BELIEVE. 10.1. SO IS THERE. I'M I'M SORRY. I DON'T MEAN TO BE JUST IS THERE PARKING TO THE SOUTH OF IT? WHERE WHERE WOULD THE PARKING B? I CAN'T. I CAN'T PICTURE WHAT WERE SOME OF IT. IT'S PRIMARILY DETENTION POND. AND SO THERE IS A TRAIL THAT WILL LOOP AROUND THE POND ITSELF, AND IT WILL HAVE AMENITIES, FOUNTAINS AND SO FORTH. PART OF THE PARKING WILL BE THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF GATEWAY DRIVE, AND THEN AS THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST TO THE LEFT ON THE SLIDE, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PARKING. THAT'S THERE AS PART OF THE NEXT PHASING THAT COMES IN FOR THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. PARKING IS NOT NECESSARILY JUST EXCLUSIVE FOR THE PARK. IT WILL BE A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENTS. YES, YES.

OKAY? DESERVES STREET PARKING STREET. THERE'S A STREET THERE ARE STREETS WHERE YOU CAN PARK AS WELL. YES, OKAY. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A SIZABLE PARK, AND IT'S IN A WITH THE HIKING TRAILS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WOULD BE. PEOPLE GOT TO BE ABLE TO GET TO IT AND STUFF SO THEY PARKED THEIR CARS. OKAY? THANKS. THANKS COMMISSIONER BLANCHE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DAVID ON THREE D.

I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION ON PAGE NUMBER 15 IN THE PACKAGE. IT SHOWS IT SHOWS A STREET ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARK. AND IT SHOWS SOME PARKING ON ON THAT STREET. IT LOOKS LIKE, UM ONCE THAT THAT SIDE IS BUILT OUT. AND THERE ARE ALSO AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS, BUT IT'S PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED. I THINK THE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS HAVE ACTUALLY OPENED IN OUR, UM HAVING TENANTS THAT ARE MOVING INTO THEM. THEY WERE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY GOT THEIR CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY. AS THOSE ARE BUILT AND AS PEOPLE MOVE IN, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR THERE TO BE PARK SPACE FOR THOSE UNITS, JUST LIKE THERE ARE

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WITH NEIGHBORHOODS WITH REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AND SO FORTH, AND SO THEY ARE INTEGRATED INTO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. SO ANYBODY. IT'S PUBLIC PARK SO ANYBODY AND PROSPER ANYWHERE ELSE FAR AS THAT GOES, CAN UTILIZE IT, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY THERE FOR THE TENANTS OF THE MULTI FAMILY UNITS TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE. AND SO THE THOUGHT IS PRIMARILY, THEY'LL BE WALKING INTO IT. IT'S POSSIBLE BUT UNLIKELY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET IN THE CAR AND DRIVE HALF A BLOCK OR A BLOCK TO GET TO THE PARK TO WALK AROUND THE TRAIL, BUT, YOU KNOW, REMAINS TO BE SEEN. BUT THAT'S THAT'S A NORMAL PART OF HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WORKS AND THE LARGER PARKS DO HAVE PARKING, OBVIOUSLY , BUT THE ONES THAT ARE INTEGRATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENTS DON'T ALWAYS HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE STREETS. BUT THIS ONE WILL. IT'S JUST NOT IN THIS PHASE. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THREE D. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM. THREE D. ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE THREE D WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ADAM THREE D FROM COMMISSIONER CARSON. ONE SECOND SECOND ON ITEM THREE DEEP FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ADAM THREE D PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA PORTION OF OUR MEETING. AND IT WILL BE A SLIDE COMING UP MOMENTARILY. IT TALKS ABOUT CITIZEN COMMENTS. OH SORRY. I WAS GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF TO TALK ABOUT PROCESS. YEAH. LEARN SOMETHING EVERY MEETING RIGHT COUPLE. BUT YEAH, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC. HOWEVER THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA.

PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT, REQUEST FORM AND PRESENT IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING. I'M GUESSING WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE PRESENTED PRIOR TO OUR MEETING THIS EVENING FOR THIS GENERAL COMMENT SECTION WE DO, AND THEY ARE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO TALK DURING A NIGHT? UM, WE HAVE LATER THIS EVENING. OKAY BUT NO ONE'S WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT HERE, OKAY? AND I GUESS IF ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING, IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, WE REALLY CAN'T ADDRESS IT, BUT WE CAN SURE LISTEN. AND I'LL TAKE THAT AS A NO. SO LET'S MOVE TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. SO BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. I'M GONNA TALK TO OUR COMMISSIONERS AND WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE MINI VOTE HERE. WHAT I SUGGEST WE DO. THIS EVENING BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT. SEVERAL ORDINANCES DISCUSSED THIS EVENING AND, UH IS THAT WE RE ORDER A COUPLE OF THE REGULAR AGENDA. ADAMS WHAT I'M PROPOSING WE WOULD DO THIS EVENING IS AGENDA. ADAMS, NUMBER EIGHT AND NINE. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE UP IN THE MEETING TO JUST BEHIND ITEM NUMBER FOUR, SO I'M STILL GOING TO REFERENCE THEM AS THE AGENDA NUMBERS WE HAVE IN OUR PACKAGE THAT THEY WENT OUT WITH, BUT SO I GUESS, UH DO WE NEED A MOTION AND A VOTE ON THAT? OKAY? SO IF EVERYBODY IS IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT WILL DO ADAM NUMBER FOUR, BUT THEN I NEED A MOTION TO VOTE TO MOVE ATOMS 89. BEHIND ADAM NUMBER FOUR RIGHT NOW. MY WIFE. DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT. WELL, WE'VE GOT SOME MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT. AND THEN THE LAST FEW ORDINANCE ON OUR ORDNANCE ITEMS AND EVERYBODY IS WELCOME, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUBLIC HEARING ADAMS TO TALK ON THOSE, BUT THOSE ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE LENGTHY CONVERSATIONS. AND SO I THINK THIS WILL ALLOW IF WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE ON 489 THAT WANT TO TALK OR APPLICANTS. I SHOULD SAY THAT WE CAN MOVE THEM. THROUGH AND IF THEY WANT TO STAY FOR THE ORDINANCE CONVERSATION, THEY QUESTION ABOUT. EIGHT AND 94 OR 48 LEVEL. KEEP NUMBER FOUR WORDS AND WE'LL MOVE 89 RIGHT AFTER I DON'T NUMBER FOUR. YEP. IF I GET A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AND ABOUT APPROVAL ON THAT, SO I MOTIONED. MOVE 89 AFTER FOUR. WE HAVE A MOTION TO DO MOVE 89 RIGHT BEHIND NUMBER FOUR FROM COMMISSIONER READS. DO WE HAVE A

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SECOND ON THAT? SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HARRIS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO MOVE 89 RIGHT AFTER

[4. Conduct a Public Hearing to consider a request for a Specific Use Permit for a Wireless Communications and Support Structure, on Lakewood Preserve, Block A, Lot 1, on 0.1± acre, located south of East First Street and east of South Coit Road. (ZONE-23- 0021)]

FOUR THIS EVENING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. AND IT CARRIES 7 TO 0. AND SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AGENDA. AND SO THE NEXT ADAM WE HAVE IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS AND SUPPORT STRUCTURE ON LAKEWOOD PRESERVED BLOCK A LOT ONE ON 0.1 ACRE, LOCATED SOUTH OF EAST FIRST STREET AND EAST OF SOUTH POINT ROAD. THIS IS CASE ZONE DASH 23-00 TO 1. DAVID I'LL LET YOU WALK THROUGH THE CONVERSATION ON THAT ONE. THANK.

YOU. MR CHAIRS YOU CAN SEE AS SAYS. VERY SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE CITY PARK. THAT IS RIGHT THERE ALONG QUITE. THIS IS JUST A LITTLE MORE CLOSE UP VIEW OF WHAT THE SITE ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE. THIS GIVES YOU A BETTER REFERENCE OF WHERE IT IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE PARK. YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE RED SQUARE ALL THE WAY DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM. THAT DOTTED LINE THAT YOU SEE THAT GOES ACROSS THE VERY EDGE AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE OF THE RED BOX IS THE NORTHERN EDGE OF A UTILITY EASEMENT, WHICH HAS ITS 170 FT WIDE AND IT IS AN ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION. UM IS MEANT THAT GOES THROUGH THERE . THERE ARE THE BIG TRANSMISSION TOWERS THAT THAT YOU SEE ON THOSE TYPES OF LINES. THEY'RE TYPICALLY 152 175 FT. TALL. AND THEN THE WIRES, UM, RUN, OBVIOUSLY ALONG THE UPPER EDGE OF THOSE TOWERS. SEE, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE MORE OF A CLOSE UP OF WHAT THIS SITE LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS PROBABLY BETTER TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVE, WHICH WILL HAVE A DECELL LANE DECELERATION LANE ALONG QUITE ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE AND TO THE SITE FOR MAINTENANCE. THAT'S IT. IT'S NOT A ROAD SO THERE WON'T BE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A GATE A BIT TART. THERE'S LANDSCAPING BUFFER THAT GOES AROUND THE EDGE THAT PAD SITE IF HE WILL 50 BY 50, WHICH IS THE SITE OF THE S U P IS 4 FT. TALL THE PROPOSED MASONRY WALL. CAN SEE FROM THIS PICTURE. YOU CAN'T TELL, BUT IT'S PROPOSED TO BE 6 FT. TALL WHICH WILL, UM SCREEN ANY OF THE PLATFORM THAT THE TOWER CELLULAR TOWER SITS ON. AND THEN THERE'LL BE LANDSCAPING THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND. AND THIS SHOWS YOU A LITTLE BETTER AND THE FRONT ROW OF THE LANDSCAPING WOULD ACTUALLY SCREEN OUT THE PART OF THE DRIVE THAT'S IN THE FRONT OF THE PAD ITSELF. IT DOESN'T SCREEN OUT THE DRIVE COMING IN OFF OF QUITE BUT AS IT MAKES ITS FIRST CURVE. THEN IT SCREENS IT FROM THERE. THIS SITE WAS PICKED THEIRS. WELL WE DON'T HAVE IT IN HERE IN YOUR PACKET. THERE IS. IT'S CALLED A WIRELESS COMMUNICATION. EXHIBIT AND BACK IN 2020. THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CELLULAR TOWERS TO BE LOCATED. UM, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THE. SERVICE IN IN PROSPER IS NOT. I THINK PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER 100% AT THE MOMENT. THERE ARE SOME SPOTS THAT ARE ARE ARE NOT AS GOOD AS OTHER SPOTS AS FAR AS THE COVERAGE. YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S BEEN DESIRE AND NO COUNCIL. DIDN'T IS AS GOOD AS FOLKS THINK IT SHOULD BE. IT'S JUST BECAUSE THESE TOWERS EACH OTHER TO BE ABLE TO BLANKET THAT COVERAGE. THIS EXHIBIT WAS PUT TOGETHER.

BECAUSE THERE WERE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WERE CONSIDERED TO BE BETTER FOR THE LOCATION OF TOWERS THAN OTHERS, AND THOSE WERE POTENTIALLY SCHOOL SITES. PARKS IN TOWN PROPERTIES IN TOWN

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PROPERTIES. INCLUDES WATER TOWERS PROBABLY SEEN. THE TOWERS BECAUSE THEY SERVED BUT THAT'S WHY THIS LOCATION WAS PICKED AND YOU CAN SEE THE ARROW ON THAT EXHIBIT ACTUALLY POINTS TO THE RED DOT WHICH IS THIS LOCATION, SO THERE. UM HAVING ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE I WANT TO MAKE. I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME OTHERS, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE SO AVERAGE IS CONCERNED AND VALUE THEIR BUSINESS. SO WHAT I KNOW IS WHAT MAJOR QUARTERLY PRESIDENT MEETINGS OVER THERE. YOU COULD

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TO CALL BUT

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THE RESIDENTS AESTHETICS OF ALL OF THE BUILDINGS.

FOR WE'VE DONE THIS. IN THE PAST INSTANCE. I SEE THESE BIG FILM LIGHTS OUT THERE. IN THE PARK. I DON'T KNOW HOW HIGH THOSE ARE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS IN OUR BEINGS

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SHIRES AND OBVIOUSLY, YES. IF REQUIRE SOME DIFFERENT ENGINEERING AND A DIFFERENT POLL, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. SO THAT'S MONTANA. WE'VE GOT SOMETHING TALL WITH THE BUT THEIR HEIGHTS ARE WHAT THEIR DISTANCE. SOUNDS. NEXT TO THE.

SAY IT'S THOSE TOWERS THAT ARE UNDER 50 100. SO I THOUGHT, HOW TALL ARE THOSE POWER LINES? UNDER THEIR $150. THAT THE LINES . 200 FT, BUT THAT'S HOW TALL THEY ARE. AND THEN THE WIRES ARE DOWN FROM THE TOP. THEY'RE PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 100. 40 TO 160. FT. HIGH THERE ON THE MAST ARMS THAT HANG IT IS , BUT I MEAN, THE POWER COMPANY WILL LET US WE'RE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE EASE. AND THEY WON'T LET US PUT TOWERS UNDERNEATH ART ARE. AND IT'S STILL THERE STILL THERE AND A LOT OF INSTANCES, BUT IT WAS AN EXPERIMENT WHERE EVERYBODY THOUGHT, WELL, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. WE'VE GOT THESE THINGS HERE. THEY'RE HIGHER. THAT WORKED BETTER, BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE MORE PROBLEMS THAN ORIGINALLY THOUGHT. AND I THINK IT PROBABLY IS JUST MONEY BECAUSE THEY CHARGE A LOT TO PUT IT THERE. AND IF YOU COULD ONLY PUT ONE YOU'RE PAYING A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY FOR THE SAME BENEFIT THAT YOU GET. FOUR. ONE OF THE TOWERS WHEN YOU PUT IT ON ON THE POWER LINE. IS THAT LIKE A NOTE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE PUT SOME OF THOSE THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. THE NODES LIKE ON FIRST STREET, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THAT AGAIN, THE NODES ARE LIKE CAROLINE. THEY PUT LIKE A BOXER WIRELESS THIS JUST TO KNOW THAT THEY PUT ON THERE. THERE THERE ARE SPREAD. I THINK IT WAS HAD SOME NODES. THAT. UM OVER THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS HAVE BEEN GOING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE TOUCH AND THE ARGUING. I THINK WE'RE JUST THROWING IDEAS THERE WAS THE EMAIL THAT'S NOT IN THE PACKAGE. YES, SIR. UM IT TALKS ABOUT A STEALTH WATER

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TOWER AND FOR LONG LADDER. YOU CAN TELL IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A CUT AND PASTE BECAUSE THIS WAS BASIC. EXCUSE ME, BASED ON THE CELL TOWER THAT WAS OVER WHISPERING FARMS, WHICH COUNCIL WOUND UP DENYING OH, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE WATER TOWER PRIMARILY AND SO THIS BECAME KIND OF THE NEXT CHOICE IN LINE FOR ANTHEM NET, WHICH IS THE COMPANY. INVOLVED IN BOTH, AND THEY'RE INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OTHERS THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT SEE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY DECIDE TO DO. BUT THAT WAS A MISTAKE TO THAT. THAT WAS NOTICED TODAY WHEN WE HAD THE OTHER LETTERS THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO BUT THAT'S. THE COMMUNICATION WHISPERING FARMS. WON'T ALLOW IT ANYPLACE ELSE OTHER THAN THE. ET MILES AWAY, AND THEY SAID NO, THAT'S TOO CLOSE. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WE LOOKED AT THE EAST SIDE. OF. THE WHISPERING FARMS EQUESTRIAN CENTER. PIECE OF PROPERTY BELONGS TO THE CITY. BUT I CAN'T GO THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH UTILITIES AND THINGS AS FAR AS GROUND UNDERGROUND IS CONCERNED, AND SO THERE'S NOT ANOTHER PLACE OTHER THAN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANYWHERE, BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET THAT THEY CAN FIND ONE THERE. SO IT WAS THAT COUNCIL'S PRIMARY CONCERN WAS LOCATION OR DESIGN. BOTH OKAY? REALLY QUICK. CAN WE PULL UP THE OTHER TWO? UM CITIZEN COMMENTS. AND HE THANK YOU. I THINK THERE'S ONE YEAH, YEAH, FIRST ONE, AND THEN AND THEN AFTER THAT TIME, AND THEN YOU TELL ME WELL, I WASN'T SURE WHICH ORDER THEY WERE. AND I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FIRST ONE JOHNSON. WHEN YOU GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK. I JUST WANTED TO THEY BRING UP A POINT ABOUT THE UM I M F RADIATION THAT SEEMS TO BE CONSISTENT. AND I'M SURE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY PARKS. IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS. IS THERE ANY? UM HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION, TOO? THAT CONCERN HAVING A CELL TOWER OF THAT STRENGTH. THAT CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA OR HOMEOWNERS. HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION AROUND THAT? UM THE SAFETY ISSUE. I DID, DIDN'T HE HASN'T EVEN COME UP. NO OKAY, IT HAS NOT COME UP. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN READING ABOUT. FOR MANY YEARS NOW. THAT IT WAS A LOT OF BELIEF THAT IN NOT ONLY THE CELL TOWERS, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THOSE LARGE ELECTRICAL TRANSMISSION LINES, THAT THEY'RE ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOOD FOR YOU. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY. I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING THAT HAS COME TO

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US, UM OR PREVIOUSLY WORKING FOR OTHER CITIES THAT VALIDATE THAT. ABSOLUTELY UM SO I CAN'T SAY YES OR NO, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT'S NOT COME UP. AS A REASON NOT TO DO SOMETHING AND ANY OF THE CITIES I'VE WORKED FOR. THAT MAKES SENSE. CAN YOU GO TO THE SECTOR THE LAST THIRD ONE. OKAY SO THEY ALL SEEM TO HAVE THAT SAME THEME OF HEALTH CONCERN. OKAY AND I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME BECAUSE THEY ALL LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, AND YOU WOULD ASSUME THEY'RE PROBABLY KNOW EACH OTHER AND FOR SURE, SO I THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE FACT THAT THEY HAD THE SAME THING AS ALL I'M SAYING, RIGHT? I'M NOT. I'M NOT SAYING RIGHT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER CONCERNS THAT THEY COULD HAVE WITH THE CELL TOWER, SURE, AND SO OH, I'M JUST COMMENTING THAT. THE ONLY CONCERN OR THE PRIMARY CONCERN. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY OTHERS IN TERMS OF LOSS OF VALUE OF THE HOME OR BEING AN EYESORE OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. THOSE THINGS WERE NOT ADDRESSED HERE SO BECAUSE IF THEY WERE THEN THOSE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE WOULD WOULD ALSO DISCUSS HERE. SO THAT WAS JUST MAKING THE POINT THAT IT SEEMS TO BE THE THEME ACROSS THE THREE AND THERE WERE NO OTHER ISSUES ADDRESSED. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FOR YOU TOO. YEAH IS, IF I MAY, I WOULD TELL YOU THE WHISPER RING FARMS. WE HAD ONE COMMENT.

CAME BACK FOR THAT ONE. AND IT TOUCHED ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE THINGS. YOU JUST MENTIONED IT TOUCHED ON THE MFF TEXT ON PROPERTY VALUES TOUCHED ON AESTHETICS. I MEAN, IT WAS IT TOUCHED ALL THE BUTTONS, SO TO SPEAK AT THAT TIME, SO THOSE ARE AGAIN THEY ARE SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT. NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. SO I JUST UM I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU ARE ON OY IN BETWEEN LAKES LAST SEEMA AND THEN BETWEEN THOSE BIG TOWN HOMES, LAST APARTMENTS. THERE'S A POWER LINE RUNNING ALL THE WAY THROUGH PAST THE PAST FOLSOM ALL THROUGH THE PARK'S ALL TO THE LAKES. ALL THE WAY THROUGH ALL THOSE COMMUNITIES ALL THE WAY TO MCKINNEY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, UNLESS THE ARGUMENT ABOUT UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN CONVINCE ME. I JUST REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DEBATING THIS ABOUT. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF HERE. I GUESS I GOT THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION BECAUSE THE LETTER BASICALLY SAYS THAT IT'S A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE FOR MEDFORD, COMMERCIAL, STEALTH AND TURNER. SO THAT COMMUNICATION THAT WAS SENT OUT WAS IS, UH.

OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE REALITY OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING PROPOSED. NO. MHM OKAY. HE WASN'T ARRESTED COMMERCIAL NOT SAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M JUST READ THE SUBJECT LINE OF EACH OF THE LETTERS THAT YOU PROVIDED. THE TOWN OF PROSPER HAS RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL STEALTH ANTENNA. I'M SORRY I WAS LOOKING IN THEIR WRITING. SO I'M SORRY.

ALRIGHT THANKS, DAVID. I THINK WE'RE GONNA THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING OUT AND I KNOW THE APPLICANTS HERE, SO I'D SAY LET'S LET'S MOVE AND NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I ASKED THE APPLICANT TO STEP FORWARD IF THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION OR ANSWER QUESTIONS THIS EVENING. JUST MAKE SURE WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, I APPRECIATE IT. EXCUSE ME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BILL BERMAN.

A LITTLE BIT 75 WAS TO WAIL FORT WORTH, TEXAS AND I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TONIGHT, ANTHONY COMMUNICATIONS. AND I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY FORMAL REMARKS PREPARED. AM PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS . YOU GUYS HAVE ABOUT OUR SPECIFICS AND WHAT OUR INTENTS ARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE WE OBVIOUSLY NO CELL PHONE SERVICE IS IMPORTANT AND PROSPER. AND WE HAVEN'T GAPS THERE. SO I GUESS THERE MAYBE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE COMMENTARY THIS EVENING A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU OUT OF REALLY IGNORANCE, NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW CELLPHONES WORK TO A GREAT EXTENT. BASED ON THIS TOWN PROPERTY LOCATION COMMISSIONER REASONS SOME OTHERS HAVE POINTED OUT IF, IF THE SAT WAS SLIGHTLY MOVED MORE TO THE CENTRAL PARK. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE LITTLE ROOM THERE TO MOVE. MORE TO THAT FLOODPLAIN AREA IS THAT FROM A TECHNOLOGY PERSPECTIVE. I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT DOABLE? HOW CLOSE

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CAN YOU BE TO POWER LINES? IS THAT MESS UP WITH THE SIGNALS? MAYBE CANNOT EXPLAIN WHAT LIMITATIONS FROM A TECHNOLOGY PERSPECTIVE YOU HAVE ON THESE OTHER LOCATIONS. WE CANNOT THROUGHOUT THEIR I MEAN, FROM A GROUND STANDPOINT, THE THING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THAT IS MOST CONCERNED TO ME WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT MOVES US TOWARD A FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE OUR EQUIPMENT DOESN'T DO WELL IN WATER, AND IT DOESN'T DO WELL WITH THE THREAT OF WATER OR STANDING WATER OR, YOU KNOW, FLASH FLOODS ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE GENERALLY HAVE TO RAISE EVERYTHING UP OUT OF A WHAT'S CALLED A FINISH FOR ELEVATION AND THOSE ARE DETERMINED, YOU KNOW SCIENTIFICALLY. UM SOMETIMES, OR 10 OR 12 FT. IN OTHER WORDS, WE MIGHT EXCUSE ME RECOVERING FROM THE FLU. WE MIGHT HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WHAT DAVID WAS SAYING THAT EQUIPMENT IS ABOUT 4 TO 5 FT. TALL, THEREFORE, THE 6 FT WALL. IF WE MOVED IT TO AN AREA THAT WAS MORE RECESSED OR DOWN, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT ALL THAT EQUIPMENT UP ON STILTS, WHICH WOULD OF COURSE, RAISE EVERYTHING, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE AS MUCH AS 12 FT. I'VE SEEN SOME CELL SITES THAT ARE ON SOME ENCORE POLLS THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING A WHILE AGO. AH! WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE 12 FT HIGH.

THE BASE OF THE EQUIPMENT IS 12 FT. UP. JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THE RUSHING WATERS THAT CAN HAPPEN.

AND, UH, THESE, YOU KNOW, 105 100 YEARS STORMS NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE CONCERN THERE. IT'S CERTAINLY WOULD BE POSSIBLE. UM TO YOU KNOW ANY ANY YOU KNOW, WITHIN REASON, THESE THINGS ARE SOMEWHAT NEGOTIATED. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN FOOTBALL STADIUMS HAVE ANTENNAS ON THEM BEFORE, SO YOU KNOW THOSE THINGS ARE QUITE POSSIBLE. THEY JUST HAVE TO BE ENGINEERED ACCORDINGLY. I DO THINK, THOUGH, IN TO DAVID'S POINT, I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF NEGOTIATIONS AND A LOT OF MEETINGS THAT OCCURRED WITH CITY STAFF. AND WITH OTHERS, TOO. IN THOSE GIANT. UH. I CALL HIM I USED TO CALL HIM GODZILLA TOWERS, THINGS THAT STAND UP LIKE THIS. AH! YOU KNOW THEY'RE QUITE MASSIVE. SO THE IDEA WAS IF WE CAN KIND OF INCORPORATE THIS AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE INTO THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.

IT KIND OF LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A TOWER FARM IF YOU WILL, OVER HERE IN THIS AREA. SO THEREFORE WANT PUT, YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT? YOU PUT IT WITH CLUSTER WITH OTHER THINGS THAT STAND OUT, SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT, AND I THINK STAFF MAY HAVE EVEN BROUGHT THAT UP SO TO HIS POINT INTO Y'ALL'S POINT. THAT IS SORT OF WHY WE'RE THERE.

BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE GENERALLY YOU KNOW. YOU SEE HIM ALONG PEDESTRIAN TRAILS. YOU SEE THEM ALONG? UH, JOGGING PAST THINGS LIKE THAT. THE POLLS THAT ARE OUT THERE. RIGHT NOW THERE'S GIANT ONES THAT ARE KIND OF REFERENCING. THOSE DO NOT LEND THEMSELVES WELL TO, UH, LOCATION OF ANTENNAS. OBVIOUS REASONS. THEY'RE JUST NOT STRUCTURED THAT WAY. THEY WEREN'T DESIGNED AND BUILT. FOR THOSE. IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME. YES IS THIS IS THIS IN THE POWER POINT OR JUST IN OUR PACKET? THIS FIVE PAGE OKAY? IS THAT IN THE POWER POINT . IT SHOULD BE THE SLIDES BEFORE THIS ABOUT TO BACK THE CLICKERS UP THERE, BELIEVE IT OR. OKAY, THAT'S I THINK COMMISSIONER REEVES WAS ONTO SOMETHING THAT THAT I KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAINLY APPRECIATE. HEY I'M FOR CELL PHONE TOWERS. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS. JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE, BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THIS IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT YELLOW BOX AND PROVERB, OBL E FOLLOW THAT EASEMENT BACK TOWARDS THAT TREE LINE THAT'S CALLED OUT TO STAY. YOU WOULD HAVE AN ACCESS ROAD. YOU DON'T GET TO THE TOP. JUST SAYING TO THE, UM HERE. I WANT TO SIMPLIFY . OH, BACK THERE, OKAY? THEY WOULD ADDRESS A CONCERN SEVERAL CONCERNS FROM THOSE RESIDENTS, BUT YOU HAVE THREE OF THE FIVE HOUSES THAT OPPOSE IT, WHICH THAT'S FINE. IT WOULD PUT IT CLOSER TO ONE OF THOSE OTHER VERTICAL ELEMENTS WHICH ARE DESCRIBING WHICH I CAN UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE ITS NOT MOVING IT SO FAR OUT OF RANGE. IN MY OPINION, I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT IT DOESN'T FEEL THOSE TREES ARE STAYING, SO YOU GET A LOT HIGHER THAN THE LITTLE NELLIE STEVENS THAT IS PROPOSED.

AND IT KIND OF PUTS IT BY A POND VERSUS YOU KNOW, OUT BEHIND PEOPLE'S HOUSES THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT, SO THAT MIGHT JUST BE SOMETHING I MIGHT PROPOSALS AS CONSIDERATION. AND YOU COULD JUST EXTEND THAT ACCESS ROAD OVER TO IT TO NOT ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF GOING THROUGH THE PARK.

I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE A VIABLE I WOULD LIKE THEM TO REVISIT THAT AS WELL. JUST FOR THAT REASON, I THINK, MOVING IT TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION, BUT MAKE MORE SENSE THEY MIGHT NEED

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TIME TO DO THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST TABLING THIS TO ALLOW THEM TO WORK WITH. PARKS DEPARTMENT AND STAFF. UM NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IF WE CAN'T MOVE IT TO THE LOCATION THAT COMMISSIONER CARSON RECOMMENDED THEN IF IT ONLY COULD BE IN THAT LOCATION, MAYBE . UM SINCE THIS IS A PARK, MAYBE IT'S A MATTER OF PUTTING TWO ROWS OF TREES ON THE SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST SIDE OF IT SO THAT WE COULD SCREEN THAT AREA AND MAKE IT BLEND MORE INTO A PARK, WHICH IS WHAT'S RIGHT THERE. AND AT THE GOOD MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BETTER THERE. THE OTHER. CAN YOU COMMENT ON WHY THE LETTERS OF STEALTH TOWER VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS A MONOPOLY. I THINK ONE COULD BE THE STEALTH MIGHT BE A LOT MORE. AMENABLE TO RESIDENTS AND THE COMMISSION. BUT ANY REASON WHY WE'RE NOT GOOD, SAID THE DRAWINGS ARE MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS CLOSE MOUNT IN TENNIS. AH I KNOW THE TERM STILL EVOKES. A CERTAIN IMAGE. UH I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE CELL TOWERS OUT THERE THAT HAVE 10 BY 10 BY 10 TRIANGULAR PLATFORMS ON TOP. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS SOMETHING MUCH LESS THAN THAT IF YOU'LL NOTE ON THE IF YOU KIND OF ZOOM INTO THAT, UH, ELEVATION DRAWING. CAN I DO THAT? SOMEBODY'S DOING IT.

FOR THE TOWER IS ITSELF. THOSE ARE WHAT WE CALL CLOSE CONTACT MOUNTS. I KNOW IT DOESN'T WORK THAT CLOSE HERE. BUT UH, THERE ARE 10 TO 12 FT PLATFORMS. YOU CAN PUT ANTENNAS OWN. TYPICALLY, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS UH, COULD BE THREE BY THREE. IT COULD BE ONE ON THE SIDE. IN OTHER WORDS, THESE ARE CLOSER MOUNTED THAT YOU SINGLE ARM MOUNTS LIKE TEAM OUTS INSTEAD OF THE GIANT PLATFORMS THAT YOU CAN WALK UP. UM THAT'S HOW I COULD ADDRESS FOR THAT. UH OF COURSE THERE ARE. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SITUATIONS LIKE FLAG PILLS. WE TRY TO GET AWAY FROM FLAGPOLES NOW BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED IS TECHNOLOGY HAS JUST EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS. DIFFERENT ANTENNAS GET MANUFACTURED BY COMPETING ANTENNA FIRMS IN THE R F GUYS WANT THIS SET OF ANTENNAS AT THAT LOCATION OR CITYWIDE? SO WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS WE'RE IN THE PAST. FLAGPOLES WORKED REALLY WELL. WE DON'T HAVE A FLAGPOLE WITH IT LOOKS LIKE A COLUMN IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A COLUMN OFF OFF OF A TERROR PLANTATION TO TRY TO HIDE THOSE WIDE AND TENNIS BECAUSE A LOT OF ANTENNAS NOW ARE MORE BOXY THAN THEY ARE UP AND DOWN. SO YOU JUST HAVE TO. YOU JUST KINDA HAVE TO PRE PLAN FOR THOSE EVENTUALITIES THAT COME AROUND. I LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF I MEAN, I THINK THE SCREENING IS NICE. IT'S PROBABLY MEETS THE CODE AND WHATEVER BUT IT'S ONLY SCREENING A BRICK WALL OR A BLOCK WALL. IN THIS CASE, I WOULD THINK IF THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS. I WOULD THINK THAT IN ANY OF THESE IF YOU PLANTED SOME TREES THAT ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GOING TO BE 40 50 60 FT. TALL OVER. YOU KNOW, SOMETIME YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE PERSPECTIVE WHERE THESE WOULD BE GETTING HIDDEN, WHICH MIGHT HELP APPEASE HOMEOWNERS AND FOLKS THAT ARE AT GROUND LEVEL LOOKING UP AT HIM. BUT JUST A JUST A THOUGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE I MEAN, MY ONLY THOUGHT ON THAT IS THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH THE T.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE EX. YOU LEAVE SCOTLAND TAKES YOU IN THE OLD DAYS. ENCORE WHOEVER IT IS, IN SOME CASES, WE EVEN HAVE TEXAS NEW MEXICO POWER LINES RUNNING THROUGH SOME OF THESE OUTLYING AREAS AROUND DFW, SIR. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THOSE POWER LINES AND I THINK THIS WAS IS AN ATTEMPT. TO TRY TO INCORPORATE AND JUST KIND OF LIKE I SAID, WITH THE TOWER FARM KIND OF EXISTING THERE. JUST TRY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT THAT WAY. THAT'S WHERE IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN LOOK AND SEE ABOUT THAT THAT OTHER SPOT THAT COMMISSIONER CARSON WAS TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THAT THAT THAT WOULD MINIMIZE THE IMPACT BECAUSE IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RIGHT BECAUSE CAROLINE'S OR THEY'VE ALREADY GOT POWER LINES AND THEN HAVING A POLE WITH THESE ANTENNAS IS A WHOLE NOTHER THING, BECAUSE THIS IS AN ACTUAL STRUCTURE, NOT JUST POWER LINES, BECAUSE THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK AT THE OVERHEAD PICTURE THE ACTUAL POWER LINE POLE. IT'S NOT IN THERE. IT'S NOT. IN THEIR VIEW. IT'S JUST THE POWER LINES. WHICH I KNOW THOSE AREN'T SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY WANTS. BUT IT ISN'T THE BIG POLL. AND SO THINGS JUST AT LEAST EXPLORE THAT OPTION. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. WE REQUIRE RIGHT IRON FENCING IN THE BACK OF ALL THOSE HOUSES, SO WE REQUIRED WROUGHT IRON FENCING, AND THEN

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THEY'RE LOOKING OUT INTO THAT WALL. THAT'S WHY UM, I PREFER LIKE COMMISSIONER CARSON SUGGESTED MOVING TO THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT. IF THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, THEN IF WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB OF REALLY ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL SCREENING WITH IRRIGATION, NOT JUST HAVING SOMEBODY WATER IT ONCE A WEEK FOR FOUR MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET. UM JUST SO THAT THEY IRRIGATION HAS A CHANCE TO MAKE IT. AND THE OTHER. THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS THIS POLL WON'T BE THE FIRST THING YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN COURT ROAD. ALSO, IT'LL BE IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OFFSET QUITE AS WELL. BECAUSE HAVING THIS BE ONE OF THE MAIN MAIN STRUCTURES YOU SEE, DRIVING DOWN QUITE ROAD DOESN'T EXCITE ME. I AM GETTING SOME LIVE UPDATES FROM, UH, MY PEOPLE THAT ARE I GUESS ONLINE WATCHING. THEY'RE SAYING THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH LOCATING FIBER INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK. THE CARRIERS CANNOT GET APPROVAL FOR UTILITIES IN THE CENTRAL AREA OF THE PARK AND WHERE THE TREE LINE IS. THEY'RE NOT ELABORATING AS TO WHY, BUT THAT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CONSIDERED. AND DISMISSED BY THE INDUSTRY IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO GET FIBER. INTO THAT SITE. AND, UH, THE OTHER COMMENTS WERE ABOUT OTHER THINGS. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, BUT THEY'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO MOVE IT TO THE CENTRAL AREA OF THE PARK. YEAH CHARACTERS WILL NOT BRING UTILITIES IN FROM THE RIGHT AWAY. AND THEY WILL NOT APPROVE THE RELOCATION OF THE FIBER TO THAT LOCATION. THERE'S NO COMMUNIST TO WHY I'M JUST READING WHAT I'M TOLD. SO AND SO WHEN YOU SAY THE INTERIOR OF THE PARK, THE OTHER THING. WE KIND OF BRIEFLY REVIEWED THIS EVENING . WE KNOW THE PARK'S COMING ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS OR SOME BIG LAPELS. IS THAT TOO FAR IN THE INTERIOR IF YOU WENT OFF AGAIN, A MODIFIED POLE STRUCTURE THAT'S 105 FT. AND STRONG ENOUGH WITH THAT. EVEN I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T EVEN EXPLORED THAT. BUT DID Y'ALL TALK ABOUT THAT? I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE DOWN PRETTY MUCH. DAVID YOU WERE YOU WERE AT THE MEETINGS WITH THE PARK PEOPLE WAS WAS ANYTHING BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF A RELOCATION TO A MORE CENTRAL AREA THAT YOU GUYS BECAUSE EVERYTHING I'M SEEING FROM THE INDUSTRY IS THIS IS THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PARKS. PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK PERIOD. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING? WE ARE IN A PUBLIC HEARING. WE MIGHT HAVE SOME MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANT TO COMMENT, BILL. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND THANK YOU QUESTIONS IN REAL TIME. THANK YOU. BACK UP. DON'T KNOW. BUT THIS IS ADAM. NUMBER FOUR. IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING OUT.

UM IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE IS EVENING. THEY'D LIKE TO COMMA COME UP AND COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR THIS EVENING. ALRIGHT BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING AND TAKE IT TO A VOTE. OKAY I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE. THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR WILL TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENTS AND WE'LL START ON THIS END COMMISSIONER HAMBLETON AND WE'LL KIND OF WORK OUR WAY BACK THIS DIRECTION. I THINK I MADE ALL MY ALL THE COMMENTS. I HAVE, UM I WOULD EITHER LIKE THEM TO SEE THE SPIN A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME OR GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE ABILITY TO MOVE OR NOT MOVE IT, AND MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO COME FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, ETCETERA, BUT JUST MORE INFORMATION. THE PARK IS ACTUALLY ENDED CONSTRUCTION NOW THEY STARTED CLEARING THE TREES IN THAT PARK AREA AND FILLING THE DIRT SO THEY HAVE STARTED CONSTRUCTION THE CONSTRUCTION SUPPOSED TO TAKE BETWEEN 10 AND 14 MONTHS IS WHAT SAYS ONLINE. UM SO I WOULD EITHER LIKE TO HAVE THIS MOVED OR I WOULD LIKE ADDITIONAL SCREENING, INCLUDING IRRIGATION AROUND IT TO KIND OF MITIGATE SOME OF THE IMPACT THANK YOU APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER CARSON. I THINK I WOULD ECHO THAT. I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR SOUTHLAND TOWERS AND LIVE 1000 FT OF THE WEST AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A VERIZON TOWER MADE ME A LOT HAPPIER. HOWEVER I CERTAINLY AM LOOKING OUT FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF OUR RESIDENTS AND THE FOLKS THERE. I APPRECIATE THEIR CONCERNS, THE THREE THAT KIND OF BACKED UP AND VIEW IT. AND I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF VIABLE IDEAS. UM THAT I THINK SHOULD AT LEAST BE EXPLORED FORMALLY, AND, UH, OTHER THAN THE THINGS OR OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR HARRIS.

HMM. I DON'T HAVE ANY. ISSUE WITH THE IRRIGATION ADDITION AND SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING SURROUNDING IT. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER WAY. UM I AND HIS AS AS FAR AS THE

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LOCATION IS CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE THREE. THE THREE COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS AND NONE OF THEM MENTIONED THE FACT THAT IT WAS AN EYESORE, AND ANOTHER MENTIONED THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT IT THERE FOR ANY OTHER REASON OUTSIDE OF, UM, POTENTIAL HEALTH CONCERNS. HEALTH CONCERNS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY DATA TO SUPPORT AT THIS POINT. TO JUSTIFY MOVING THE STRUCTURE THAT ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT A LOT OF WORK HAS GONE INTO PRE PLANNING POTENTIAL LOCATIONS THAT THIS WAS SELECTED BY OTHER RESIDENTS, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE CONSULTED TO KIND OF PUT THIS OCCASION. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, UM I WOULD SUPPORT MOVING OR ADDING THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IRRIGATION. I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT, BUT ALSO THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, MOVING. WE'RE WITH IT AS IT STANDS. THANKS MR HARRIS. COMMISSIONER JACKSON? YEAH FOR THE PAST 11 YEARS BEFORE THAT PARK WAS EVEN BEING DEVELOPED IN THE TREE HAS BEEN KNOCKED DOWN.

I WALK THAT TRAIL EVERY DAY. JOSH CARSON COULD TELL YOU THAT'S IN PHOTOS. OF EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG IN THIS AREA THAT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. COMMISSIONER REEVES. MY MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT HAVING HAVING THIS STRUCTURE RIGHT OFF A QUIET ROAD. RIGHT BEHIND PEOPLE'S HOUSES. I DO THINK THAT THAT AREA IS A GOOD SPOT. I JUST I THINK THAT IF IT COULD BE MOVED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THE TO THE PARK. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD GO IF IT CAN'T GO THERE THAN THIS IS THE PLACE IT WILL NEED TO GO AND WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO DO THE SCREENING AND BUT WE EVERY SEEMS LIKE EVERY STRUCTURE IT HAS TO BE RIGHT OFF A MAIN ROAD AND I DON'T THINK THAT STRUCTURES HAD THESE TOWERS HAVE TO BE RIGHT OFF OUR MAIN ROADS BECAUSE THAT IS THAT'S OUR WHAT PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY COME INTO PROSPER, AND I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BE OFF THE MAIN ROADS AND NOT THE WHAT PEOPLE. SEE RIGHT WHEN THEY COME IN, UM AND THAT'S THAT'S MY BIGGEST. HANG UP ON THESE IS BUT I DO KNOW WE NEED THE CELL TOWERS BECAUSE I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE AND I'VE HAD TERRIBLE SEVERAL CELL SERVICE ALL MY LIFE, AND SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IT AND, UM, BUT ALSO WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE RESIDENTS AND WHAT AND WHERE WE PLACE THEM AS WELL. SO BUT I DO THINK THE PARKS AREAS OR SOME OF THE BEST PLACES BECAUSE IT'S TOWN PROPERTY, AND I THINK THAT'S WOULD BE THE RIGHT PLACES SO HMM. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLEDSOE. THANK YOU. MR CHAIRMAN. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS PROPOSAL. I AM, I THINK, PUTTING IT NEXT TO WHERE THERE'S ALREADY ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION LINES MAKES PERFECT SENSE. I THINK. I MEAN, THESE ARE NEVER PRETTY WHEREVER THEY'RE AT. THEY'RE NOT IN AESTHETIC. YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT AESTHETICALLY BEAUTIFUL, BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY THEY ARE THE WE NEED THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT.

I. I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION IF THAT WAS AMENDMENT MADE TO THIS, BUT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSAL. ALRIGHT THANKS. COMMISSIONER BLANCHETT FOR TOWN STAFF FIRST APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT BEING HERE AND IT'S PRETTY COOL AND YOU CAN GET SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS IN REAL TIME. APPRECIATE ALL THE STAFF'S WORK ON THIS. QUICK QUESTION.

THIS IS GOING TO TOWN COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. THE 14TH. OKAY SO THIS THAT'S A PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND TO GET IT TO TOWN COUNCIL NEXT WEEK AND I GUESS MY FINAL COMMENTS ON IT. YES WE NEED TWO TOWERS. I THINK THE PARKS ARE A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE THEM. I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE IT RIGHT OFF QUICK. IT'S NOT A VERY PRETTY TOWER. AND JUST KINDA IS WHAT IT IS. SO THEN YOU KIND OF MHM FIGURE OUT HOW TO VOTE. SO THE ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR MINUTES SO THAT WE'VE GOT GOOD DOCUMENTATION FOR COUNCIL AROUND THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, TREES, IRRIGATION AND ALL THAT, AND I KNOW THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS NEXT WEEK WHEN IT GOES WITH THEM, TOO. THAT IS CORRECT. AND THEN WHEN YOU ALSO MAKE YOUR MOTION IF IT IS APPROVED, PLEASE ADD THE CONDITIONS OF THE ADDITIONAL SCREENING WILL BE REQUIRED. OKAY YEAH, SO LET'S LET'S PUT THAT SO. WITH THAT WE KIND OF ALL TALKED OUR PIECE ON THIS AND APPRECIATE THE PATIENTS, SO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR ALL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. WE MAY HAVE A SPLIT VOTE, SO WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT AS WE GET THERE. AND IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL WHETHER IT'S APPROVED OR TONIGHT, CORRECT. SO. WANT TO JUMP IN FIRST, MR CHAIRMAN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE

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ITEM NUMBER FOUR WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING. IT WAS RECOMMENDED AND IRRIGATION FOR THAT LANDSCAPING TO BE REQUIRED. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COMMISSIONER GLANCE SET TO IMPROVE ADAM NUMBER FOUR WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE, IRRIGATION AND COVERAGE OF THE ANTENNA. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND WE HAVE A SECOND TO APPROVE ADAM NUMBER FOUR FROM COMMISSIONER HARRIS. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ADAM NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. WE'VE GOT THREE IN FAVOR. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO MOTION FAILS 4 TO 3. WE HAVE FOUR AGAINST AND THREE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING I DON'T NUMBER FOUR.

AND THAT WILL GO TO TOWN COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. REAL REAL QUICK ON THE PROCESS. WE'RE AT 713. THIS IS GONNA BE A LONGER MEETING THIS EVENING. DOES ANYONE NEED A QUICK BREAK OR WE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME? PROBABLY LOOK AT EIGHT O'CLOCK FOR A BREAK FOR SURE. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS THERE A FULL PACKET SOMEWHERE? BECAUSE THE PRESENTATION COMPLETE PACKAGE. ALRIGHT. SO NOW AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO

[8. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request for a Planned Development for an Office/Retail Building on 0.4± acres, for Bryant’s First Addition, Block 11, Lots 1, 11 and 12, located on the northeast corner of South Coleman Street and East Third Street. The property is zoned Single Family-15. (ZONE-23-0027)]

REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERING ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR AN OFFICE RETAIL BUILDING ON 0.4 ACRES FOR PRANKS, FIRST EDITION BLOCK 11 LOTS 111 AND 12 , LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH COMMON STREET AND EAST THIRD STREET. THE PROPERTY IS OWNED SINGLE FAMILY DASH 15. THIS IS CASES OWNED AS 23. 0027. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS THIS IS EXCUSE ME, VERY SIMILAR. TO ONE THAT Y'ALL HAD ON COLEMAN UP IT SEVENTH IN COLEMAN. THAT CAME IN FOR STRAIGHT ZONING RESIDENTIAL LOOKING TO GO TO OFFICE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL COUNCIL COUNCIL DENIED IT. AND THE REASON THEY DENIED IT WAS BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT THERE WERE TOO MANY USES IN THE STRAIT ZONING CATEGORY, SOME OF WHICH. SOME OF THE MEMBERS DIDN'T FEEL IT WOULD BE DESIRABLE AT THAT LOCATION, AND SO THEY REQUESTED. THAT THESE TYPES OF ITEMS AS THEY CAME IN WOULD BE RECOMMENDED AS PDS PLAYING DEVELOPMENTS AS OPPOSED. TO THE STRAIGHT ZONING OF OFFICER RETAIL, AND THAT WOULD SATISFY A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONCERNS. ONE IS THE USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE PD. AND THEN THE SECOND WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO HAVE SOME SAY INTO AESTHETIC, SOME ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND SO FORTH. THIS. PARTICULAR REQUEST. IS JUST SOUTH OF 1418 COFFEE PLACE IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS ADVERTISING, BUT, UM, RIGHT ON COLEMAN, AND IT IS THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S THERE. AS WELL AS IN IT'S. IT'S A LITTLE BIT FUNKY . HOW IT'S. IT'S ALL PUT TOGETHER, SO TO SPEAK, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS THAT 0.4 ACRES THAT'S ACROSS THE ALLEY, WHICH ALSO BELONGS. TO THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSES AND WHAT THIS REQUEST IS. IS TO TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING HOUSE. BUILD THIS TWO STORY STRUCTURE. ADD THE PARKING AND THE BACK AND THEN THE PARKING SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING ACROSS THE ALLEY AND IT WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR OFFICES ON THE SECOND FLOOR. TWO GENTLEMEN THAT ARE DOING THIS TOGETHER ONE'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR. ONE C P A. I AM MARRIED TO GOING TO HAVE THEIR OFFICES UPSTAIRS, AND THEN DOWNSTAIRS. WOULD BE MEDICAL OFFICE OR REGULAR OFFICE OR PERHAPS SOME TYPE OF A BOUTIQUE AND CAN SEE FROM YOUR PACKETS.

THEY'RE PERMITTED USES. PRETTY SMALL THE LIST AS FAR AS WHAT COULD GO THERE, YOU CAN SEE UNDER NUMBER ONE. THERE'S EIGHT I BELIEVE FOR ABOUT SIX AND NINE USES THAT THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IF THIS IS APPROVED. AND LANDSCAPING WOULD GO IN AS FAR AS SEPARATING OUT THE

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PARKING FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS. AS. JUST ANOTHER LITTLE TIDBIT OF INFORMATION, SO I MENTIONED THAT ONE THAT Y'ALL HAD DONE PREVIOUSLY WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU SHORTLY AS THE PD. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH TWO OTHER PEOPLE WANTING TO DO BASICALLY THE SAME THING IS TAKING WHEN THE EXISTING HOUSES AND LAND IT HAS OCCURRED. ALL OVER AND THE CALLED THE EAST SIDE OF COLEMAN. THERE'S A LOT OF REAL ESTATE OFFICES MORE FINANCIAL PLANNERS, COUPLE OF C P. A S. AND SO IT'S AND ADAPTIVE REUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY POPULAR AT THE MOMENT. AND SO YOU WILL. YOU WILL SEE MORE OF THESE. AND SO THIS PARTICULAR ONE THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. AND WE, ACTUALLY THAT HAD COME IN. WE HAD SUGGESTED THAT THEY DO THIS STRAIGHT ZONING THAT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PREVIOUS CASE THE CHILD DID AFTER COUNCIL DENIED IT. WE CALLED THEM BACK AND ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD COME IN SO WE COULD CHANGE THE REQUEST TO THE PDS, SO HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE. THIS TIME OR NOT, THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT ONE BUT BE MORE AMENABLE TOWARDS IN. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

APPLICANTS ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THEM. THANKS, DAVID. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAVID? UM, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ON THE UH UM, THE STREET ZONING IT HAD TOO MANY USES, WHICH IS WHY THEY WANTED, UH, P D WAS THE USES. YOU SAID YOURS ON THAT LETTER. THAT WAS JUST UP HERE IS THAT WHAT COUNCIL IS LOOKING TO LIMIT IT TO? OR IS THAT JUST WHAT THEY WERE USING? THAT'S THAT'S IT'S A COMBINATION ABOVE THEIR THEIR COUNSEL WAS NOT AGAINST EVERY USE THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE STRAIT ZONING. THERE ARE ABOUT 40 TO 45 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD COULD GO IN THE STRAIGHT ZONING, AND THERE WERE THINGS IN THERE THAT THEY DID NOT WANT. AND SO WE JUST KIND OF CARVED DOWN THE LIST TOOK OUT THE THINGS THAT WE KNEW COUNCIL WAS NOT GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN HAVING BASED ON CONVERSATIONS. TALK TO THE APPLICANTS MADE SURE THAT WHAT WAS LEFT IF YOU WILL, WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK FOR THEM. AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS THIS LIST AND I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD AND I LOVE THIS AND THE ONE AFTER THE PHOTOS AND EVERYTHING SINCE WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE MORE OF THESE IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT COUNSEL DID OR DID NOT LIKE SO THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION INCLUDED IN OUR PACKAGE. SO WE HAVE THAT AS A REFERENCE THAT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH. WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT EACH ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY IF WE KNOW THAT COUNCIL IS NOT INTERESTED IN THESE USES JUST TO HAVE IT REFERENCED IN OUR PACKAGE THAT WE KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IN CONGRUENCE SEE WITH WHAT THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR. WE CAN DO THAT COMMISSIONER AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A REVERSE, THOUGH, WILL BE A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE KNOW FOR SURE THEY DON'T WANT AS OPPOSED TO. WE DIDN'T GO LINE BY LINE FOR ALL 40 OR 45. AND SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO PRESUPPOSE SOMETHING. I DEFINITELY KNOW THE ONES THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING.

THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY GET THOSE. THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY GETTING AT IS KNOWING WHAT THEY DON'T WANT SO THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, WE KNOW THAT YOU KNOW. THIS FITS WITH WHAT THE DIRECTION THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US IS WE'RE THE STREET ZONING IS. TOO TO OPEN. I GUESS I APPRECIATE THAT. YES SIR. AND ONE MORE THING. I'M SORRY. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS TOO.

PART OF THAT SAME PROCESS. THAT COUNCIL ASKED IF WE WOULD LOOK AT DEVELOPING A DOWNTOWN OVERLAY THAT WOULD COMBINE. I THINK YOU ALL REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS ONE AND COLEMAN. IT'S KIND OF CONVOLUTED WITH DIFFERENT SETS OF RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE'VE GOT. AND SO IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED FOR SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING TO DO THIS ON THEIR OWN AND SO COUNSEL JUST SAID WOULD YOU PUT TOGETHER AND OVERLAY AND COME BACK, WHICH WOULD COMBINE ALL THESE THINGS? GET RID OF THE USES THAT THEY DON'T LIKE. MAKE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER, SINCE IT SEEMS TO BE REALLY POPULAR RIGHT NOW, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE MORE THINGS HAPPEN. AND SO WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THAT. BUT YOU PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO SEE THAT UNTIL ABOUT FEBRUARY TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER. WE'VE GOT SERIES OF AMENDMENTS. SOME TONIGHT SOME OF YOUR NEXT MEETING, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE OVERLAYS WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO 31 FOR 381 FOR THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND ONE FOR DOWNTOWN. AT THE SAME TIME,

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WE'LL BE WORKING ON AMOUNT THE SAME TIME Y'ALL WILL SEE HIM PROBABLY AND THREE SUCCESSIVE MEETINGS SO THAT WILL BE COMING TO AND WE'LL SEND YOU THINGS AS WE KNOW. IT WILL ALSO START DOING UM AND THIS IS A LITTLE OFF THE SUBJECT. APOLOGIZE BUT WE'RE STARTING DOING THE WORKSHOPS WORK SESSIONS BEFORE YOUR MEETING SO WE CAN DISCUSS SOME OF THESE THINGS AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THEM. SO YOU ALL HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THAT PROCESS BEFORE WE JUST SEND YOU SOMETHING AND SAY HERE, YOU KNOW, DO THIS. PLEASE SEPARATE. APPRECIATE THAT. QUIT TALKING NOW QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR BOYD SAID, SO I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A 25% REDUCTION IN PARKING REQUIREMENTS HERE, CAN YOU TELL ME THE. THE STAFF'S THINKING ON ALLOWING THEM THIS REDUCTION IN PARKING ON THIS SPOT. THE COUNCIL APPROVED LITTLE BEFORE I GOT HERE, SO LET'S JUST SAY NINE MONTHS TO YEAR AGO AS PART OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN THAT WAS WAS PASSED AND APPROVED. IT IT'S ONE OF THE PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE TO PUT THE OVERLAY TOGETHER.

BUT IN THAT THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT EMPOWERMENT ZONE BE CREATED FOR DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS NOT LIKE A TOURS AND TOURS. IT'S NOT FINANCING MECHANISM. IT JUST OPENS UP THE DOOR FROM OTHER THINGS FROM GRANTS TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF LENIENCY IS IF YOU WILL, IN ONE OF THOSE THINGS WAS A REDUCTION IN PARKING FOR DOWNTOWN ACTIVITIES TYPICALLY IS 50. FOR WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE 50% FOR IT. IT'S NOT A GIVEN. IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED. IT COULD BE ■REQUESTET BECAUSE YOU'RE DOWNTOWN. IN THIS PARTICULAR UM. LOCATION WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE, AND THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE ABLE TO THERE ON A CORNER WILL BE ABLE TO DO SOME PARKING ON THE SIDE STREET ON THIRD STREET. PROBABLY NOT SO MUCH ON COLEMAN THAN WE THINK THAT THERE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO WHERE THAT WILL SATISFY. THE NEEDS WITHOUT OVER BEARING THE. PROPERTY THE DEVELOPERS AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT THEY MAY NOT NEED, AND SO THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH 25. AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION. I AM THE 20 FT. ALI, RIGHT OF WAY. UM RIGHT NOW THERE'S JUST A RIGHT AWAY THERE. IT'S NOT PAVED, OR THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT IT'S IN THAT RIGHT AWAY. I SEE THEY'RE PROPOSING A LITTLE BIT OF PAVING ON THERE IS THAT CORRECT? LITTLE BIT OF PAVING IS TO FINISH OUT THE EDGES IF YOU WILL ON THE CURBS FOR THE RADIO, AND THEN WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GET INTO THE CONSTRUCTION STAGE, THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO PAY. IMAGINE ENGINEERING IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THEY PAY DOWN TO THE EDGE. OF WHERE THEY'RE PARKING STARTS, SO THEY'LL HAVE THE ACCESS TO IT. THAT HAS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES DOWNTOWN SO FAR WHERE PEOPLE HAVE COME IN AND EITHER BUILT SOMETHING NEW OR HAVE REMODELED SOMETHING AND THEY'VE HAD TO PAY THE PART PORTION OF THE ALLEY THAT COMES UP TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE. IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT. IN SOME INSTANCES, THE CITY OF THE TOWN HAS DONE AGREEMENTS AS A LICENSE TO USE SO THE PERSON COULD ACTUALLY YOUR BUSINESS DOWN HERE COULD ACTUALLY UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR DUMPSTERS TRASH CANS REGION, FOR INSTANCE, THEY HAVE THEIR DUMPSTERS IN THE BACK. THEY HAVE NOTICED THAT IF YOU'VE GONE DOWN MAIN STREET YOU CAN SEE THERE. UM AND THERE'S DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT OF, PERHAPS ACTUALLY TRYING TO PAY ALL OF THOSE RIGHTS OF WAY DOWNTOWN AS THE PLAN GOES ON AND MOVING ALL OF THE TRASH RECEPTACLES TO THE ALLEYS AND THE BACK OF ALL THE BUSINESSES. AND SO THAT'S PART OF WORK IN PROGRESS, SO TO SPEAK, BUT PROBABLY MORE THAN YOU WANTED TO KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S. IT'S A LITTLE DESTROYING IT AT THE MOMENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. NO, THANKS, DAVID APPRECIATE IT. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT TRASH CANS LATER THIS EVENING TO ANOTHER TOPIC DUMPSTERS ANYWAY. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ADAM, NUMBER EIGHT. SO AT THIS POINT OF THE APPLICANTS, PRESIDENT ASKED THE APPLICANT TO STEP FORWARD. AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. APPRECIATE YOU BEING

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HERE. MY NAME IS MICHAEL BRYANT. MY ADDRESS IS 1531 BROOKFIELD COURT PROSPER TEXAS. I LIVE IN MY PROSPER. UM, PROSPER RESIDENT, THE CPA ON THAT I THINK CURTIS KLIGER IS THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR. UM EXCITED TO BE HERE. THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR US TO PROSPER RESIDENT. CURTIS'S WIFE IS A NURSE AT THE HOSPITAL. REAL BIG DEAL FOR US. MY DAUGHTER GOES TO REYNOLDS. MY SON GOES TO BOYER. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR GOING ON NINE YEARS NOW SO EXCITED TO MOVE MY EXISTING PRACTICE FROM RICHARDSON AND PUT IT IN MY BACKYARD AND I KNOW HE WROTE DAVID REFERENCE 1418.

THAT'S MY DAD'S PLACE. YOU KNOW DAVID DAVIDSON, SO THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR US TO GET ESTABLISHED AND PUT A BIGGER FOOTHOLD AND PROSPER. SO WE LOVE BEING HERE. WELL, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

APPRECIATE YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND PRESENT THIS CASE AND ALL THE WORK TO THIS POINT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS. THIS EVENING. THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. BEING AN ACCOUNTANT. I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH IS THERE ANYTHING ACCOUNTS TO THAT SIMPLE ANYMORE, THOUGH? NO THAT'S THE TOPIC FOR A DIFFERENT DAY. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. SO THIS IS ADAM, NUMBER EIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISH TO SPEAK TO ADAM NUMBER EIGHT THIS EVENING.

IF NOT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ADAM AND DAVID'S COMING BACK FORWARD. DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? REQUEST FORMS ON THIS ITEM AT ALL, MR FAVORITE OR OPPOSED? OKAY. WELL, I'LL TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. UH THREE DISCUSSION AND, OR, UH UH, EMOTIONAL ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

ALRIGHT SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALBUM NUMBER EIGHT FROM COMMISSIONER HAMBLETON. DO WE HAVE A 2ND 2ND? SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CARSON TO APPROVE OUR NUMBER EIGHT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT THIS EVENING. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. APPRECIATE IT, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE ALL

[9. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider and act upon a request for a Planned Development for an Office Building on 0.5± acres, for Bryant’s First Addition, Block 22, Lots 7-9, located on the northwest corner of South Parvin Street and East Second Street. The property is zoned Single Family-15. (ZONE-23-0028)]

THE WORK TOWN STAFF DID ON THAT ONE AS WELL. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE THIS EVENING. CONDUCTOR, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERING ACT UPON REQUEST FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR AN OFFICE BUILDING ON 0.5 ACRES FOR BRYANT'S FIRST EDITION BLOCK. 22.7 THROUGH NINE.

LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH PARVIN STREET AND EAST SECOND STREET PROPERTY IS OWNED SINGLE FAMILY DASH 15. THIS IS CASE ZONE DASH 23 0028. THANK YOU. THIS IS ANOTHER VERY SIMILAR 12. WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED ITS EXISTING HOUSE. PEOPLE HAVE. DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO TAKE THE HOUSE AND TURN IT INTO A BUSINESS ANOTHER ANOTHER, BUT AND INVESTING.

COMPANY COMPANY. YEAH, LET ME SEE HERE. SO TWO STORY FRAME HOUSE THAT EXISTING HERE'S WHAT PROPOSAL. IS THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. LET'S GET TO THE OUTSIDE OTHER THEY'RE DOING ON THE OUTSIDE IS ACTUALLY REDOING THE HOUSE COSMETIC AESTHETIC TYPE THINGS AND ANY CHANGES THAT THEY'RE DOING, OR BASICALLY ON THE INSIDE. ONE OR FEW. EXCUSE ME ONE OR TWO EXCEPTIONS, RAMPS THEY WILL NEED TO CONVERT. AS IN ANY OF THESE HOUSES THAT ARE CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL USE AFTER DO CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS INSIDE ADA REQUIREMENTS, FOR INSTANCE, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO DO SPRINKLER SYSTEMS THEY SEND WE'LL HAVE TO SOMETIMES MAKE DOORS, WIDER JAMS , WIDER CHANGE BATHROOMS AND SO FORTH. AND SO THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SOME, UM, PERMITS THAT THEY'VE TAKEN OUT TO START THE CHANGES FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE COMMERCIAL, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THE RESIDENTIAL. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. ANY OF THE CHANGES THEY'RE JUST UPGRADING, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS SOMETHING AGAIN BECAUSE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE STRAIGHT ZONING. WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AT THE BEGINNING.

AHEAD HAD DISCUSSED THE STRAIGHT ZONING AND THEN WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE THE BEST COURSE. THEN WE NEEDED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND JUST SO WE DIDN'T PREVENT THEM FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR PLANS. WE ALLOWED THEM TO GET THE PERMITS UNDER RESIDENTIAL, UM,

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PERMIT TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AS WE WOULD GO THROUGH AND SEE ABOUT GETTING IT CHANGED TO THE PD. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE BACK UP. YOU CAN SEE THEIR PROPOSED LANDSCAPING THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IN THE SIDEWALKS THAT HAVE TO GO IN. THERE IS JUST MORE PICTURES OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS BUT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S ALL DONE AND ALL THE PLANTS ARE GROWING, AND THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO USE. YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING THAT'S A LONG STREET THERE THAT WILL SATISFY THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS ANYWHERE AGAIN. EXCITED THAT WE'VE GOT YET ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S THAT'S COMING THROUGH IN DOWNTOWN AND. WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT IMPERATIVE. ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND APPLICANTS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. QUESTIONS FOR DAVID THIS EVENING. THIS QUESTION. JUST JUST TO MAKE SURE I THINK I SAW THIS ON THERE. BUT THE PARKING THAT IS ALONG THE IT'S ON STREET PARKING PARALLEL PARKING, BUT IT IS INSET INTO THE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ON SECOND STREET, LITTLE BIT OF BOTH LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE MOST OF OUR STREETS DOWNTOWN OR NOT, AS WIDE AS WHAT WE NORMALLY BUILD NOW, AND SO IF YOU JUST PUT ALL THE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES ON THE STREET. THEN YOU KNOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO RIDE A BICYCLE DOWN, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT. SO, YEAH, THERE WILL BE RIGHT ON THE EDGE, AND THEN THEY'LL DO A LITTLE PAVING TO BE ABLE TO GET IT THERE. OKAY, BUT MOST OF THE PARKING IS ON THEIR PROPERTIES RIGHT OF WAY. BUT. NOT IN THE PAVED PERSON OF THE STREET RIGHT NOW. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY GOES INTO PEOPLE'S QUOTE, FRONT YARDS AND QUOTE BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS GENERALLY MUCH WIDER THAN WHAT THEN WHAT THE STREET IS OKAY. THANKS. JUST REAL QUICK QUESTION. I ASSUME THAT THE FRONT ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE OFF OF SECOND STREET NOT OFF APARTMENT. IS WHERE THE FRONT ENTRANCE IS. BECAUSE IT'S SHOWN THAT TWO ENTRANCES HERE BUT WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE B THAT THEY'RE OFF SECOND STREET. MAIN ENTRANCES OF SECOND STREET. YES. I MEAN, THEY CAN USE BOTH. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE FRONTED IN ADDRESS. HENRY'S WIFE ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW TRYING TO PEOPLE PARKING ON PARLIAMENT STREET. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES THERE JUST WITH WITH THE BUSINESS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE UTILIZING STREET PARKING RIGHT AND THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT AN ISSUE IF WE START GETTING PEOPLE PARKING ON ON PARLIAMENT STREET BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A HOUSE, WHERE THE CHURCH USES AS A THERE'S AN OFFICE BUILDING RIGHT SO THAT THAT COULD JUST CAUSE AN ISSUE THERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DAVID. THANKS DAVID. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER NINE. AND ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE IN ATTENDANCE TO STEP FORWARD AND NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE PROPOSAL. ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. KEVIN PITTMAN. 841 CAMDEN WAY.

HERE IN TOWN. UM ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I MAKE ANY COMMENTS. OKAY? SO WE LIVED IN PROSPER 15 YEARS I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE AND DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. FINALLY DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO DEEPEN MY ROOTS HERE IN MY TOWN PROSPER. SO WE FOUND THIS PLACE AND BEING ONE OF THE OLDEST HOUSES BUILT IN PROSPER. WE WANTED TO PRESERVE THAT HISTORIC INTEGRITY . SO WE'VE DONE THAT. I THINK OF THE LARGEST EXTENT I'LL RUN MY FINANCIAL PLANNING AND WEALTH MANAGEMENT BUSINESS OUT OF THIS.

UM HAVING DONE THAT FOR 31 YEARS NOW, MY PLAN IS TO TURN IT INTO A LEGACY PRACTICE. BRING MY KIDS INTO PRACTICE. AND SO I NEEDED MORE SPACE AND I WANTED TO BE IN DOWNTOWN PROSPEROUS. SO HERE WE ARE. THANKS FOR YOUR APPRECIATE YOU COMING HOME AND LOOKS LIKE A NICE PLAN. AND DID WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THIS EVENING? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? MY ONLY COMMENT IS I APPRECIATE THE INTEREST IN SAVING SOMETHING HISTORIC LIKE A COOL OLD HOUSE LIKE THAT. I APPLAUD YOU FOR DOING THAT, WHENEVER A LOT OF FOLKS WOULD JUST SCRAPE IT AND GO BACK NEWS, SO I THINK THAT'S SEPARATION, BUT NOT FOR VERY LONG. I THINK THIS PLACE IS ROUGH. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, JOSH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PLAN AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ADAM. SO IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO STEP FORWARD AND SPEAK, JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN AND APPRECIATE

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ANY KIND OF BOB JAMISON, 7516 SHASTA DRIVING MCKINNEY. I'M THE CONTRACTOR ON THIS ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY MENTIONED THIS IS THE FIRST HOUSE EVER BUILT AND PROSPER.

AND THEY HAVE TAKEN THE EFFORT AND SPENT A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY TO PUT THE INTERIOR BACK EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS HISTORICALLY, WHICH IS TO BE NEED TO BE APPLAUDED, ALSO DID THE PROSPER CAR PRACTICE. ON THE CORNER OF BROADWAY AND COLEMAN. WHICH WAS THE FIRST HOUSE EVER MOVED TO PROSPER. SO WE REALLY LOVED THE HISTORICAL PART. I LIVED IN PROSPEROUS IS 1980 1998 UNTIL FIVE YEARS AGO. UM BUT THIS IS JUST NOT A BUILDING. I'VE DONE A LOT OF THE DOWNTOWN OFFICES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE CITY FELL OFF THE HORSE. A MONTH OR TWO. GO ON THE OTHER ONE. WE HAD TO GO THROUGH PDS NOW, INSTEAD OF JUST SWITCHING OUT THE GTOS BECAUSE IT WAS SO MUCH EASIER, BUT ANYWAY, I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL COME OUT AND LOOK AT THIS WHEN IT'S DONE BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING KNIVES TO CUT THE TRIM THAT WAS MADE IN THE 19 0 TWO'S I MEAN, WE'RE DOING SOME PRETTY COOL STUFF. SO ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMMENTS. IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE THE STORY AND WHEN WILL IT BE READY? SO WE CAN'T GO TO ORDER THAT ZONING.

I'LL BE NECESSARY TO MAKE THAT I'LL BE FINISHED THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER. I WON'T HOLD IT AGAINST YOU THAT YOU MOVED OUT OF PROSPER. WELL I DID IT FROM A DIVORCE STANDPOINT, I DIDN'T LIKE ALL MY KIDS WENT FROM KINDERGARTEN TO 12TH GRADE HERE WITH MY WIFE. ONE DAUGHTER WENT TO EVERY SCHOOL AND PROSPER EVEN WHEN THE SCHOOL ON THE HILL WAS 12 WHO CAME THE GARDEN. BUT YEAH, WE'LL BE FINISHED FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER PROBABLY WON'T GET OUR CEO BECAUSE OF ZONING.

SERIOUSLY GOING THROUGH THIS, SO , UH, IT'S ALL GOOD. I MEAN, IT'S TAKEN US ABOUT A MONTH TO GET THE TRIM MADE TO MATCH THE HISTORICAL PARTS OF YEAH. ANYTIME YOU WANT TO COME BY AND LOOK AT ITS GOT SOME OR KEEPING ALL THE ORIGINAL SHIP LAP AND DOING SOME REALLY COOL STUFF ON THE INSIDE. THAT'S GREAT. I APPRECIATE ALL Y'ALL DONE ON THAT. THAT'S REALLY COOL. THANK YOU GUYS. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS ITEM NUMBER NINE. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD IF THERE'S NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE IN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER NINE AND WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY COMMENTARY. INDOOR MOTION ON ITEM NINE TO SOLVE HIS ZONING PROBLEM, AT LEAST MAKING STEPS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE APPROACH THIS, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ADAM NUMBER NINE FROM COMMISSIONER. OF COURSE, WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON TO APPROVE ADAM NUMBER NINE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER NINE THIS EVENING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. AND BY MY COUNT, THE MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THE REINVESTMENT APPRECIATE THE PATIENTS THIS EVENING AS WELL. YEAH, YOU BET. ABSOLUTELY. HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1912, BY THE WAY, WAY. YEAH, 1912. THAT WAS SIMPLE. IT WAS THE FIRST ONE IN 1912. WOW. SO IT IS 740 THIS EVENING, WE WILL MOVE BACK AND PIVOT TO ADAM NUMBER. FIVE BUT QUICK PROCESS QUESTION. IF WE NEED TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK FOR A JOURNEY, DO WE HAVE TO DO A MOTION FOR THAT? OR CAN WE JUST SAY QUICK BREAK? TAKE 5 10 MINUTES. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO TAKE A FIVE OR 10 MINUTE BREAK REAL QUICK AT 740 RIGHT NOW, OKAY, LET'S TAKE LET'S TAKE 5 TO 7 MINUTES. UH, QUICK BREAK, AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK HERE

[5. Conduct a Public Hearing to consider an ordinance amending Chapter 2, Section 13 – Multifamily District; Chapter 4, Section 4.3 – Non-residential and multifamily parking provisions; and Chapter 4, Section 8 – Non-Residential & Multifamily Design and Development of the Town of Prosper Zoning Ordinance to modify Multifamily development standards. (ZONE-23-0024)]

START OD EARMARKED FOR MULTIFAMILY TYPE DEVELOPMENT. AND

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BAR KIND OF ONE INSANE JUST DEPENDING ON WHICH DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. AND THEN THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THERE ARE COUPLE OF PLACES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ZONED MANY MINUTES AGO AS STRAIGHT MULTI FAMILIES OWNING THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN ARE IN PDS.

ONLY ABOUT. OH PROBABLY 20. A PD OR THE STRAIGHT ZONING HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN BUILT. THERE'S ABOUT ANOTHER 10 TO 15% THAT ARE IN PROCESS WELL ONCE TONIGHT HAVEN'T BEEN PASSED REALLY MATTER IT IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND SO. WE WERE ASKED BY THE COUNCIL . WE MEANING STAFF WERE ASKED BY THE COUNCIL DID JUST CAME UP. WHAT DID I DO? YEAH. WE CAME UP WITH SOME PROPOSALS AND THIS WAS JUST.

KIND OF SET THE TOLLWAY WAS DESIGNED PRIMARILY THAT THE DISTRICT AND I'M TALKING ABOUT

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NOT SO MUCH THE ROAD ITSELF. BUT IT WAS DESIGNED FAMILY. IS TO LIMIT AGAIN. HOW IT LOOKS. UM AND THAT'S WHAT THE SERIES OF PARAGRAPHS ARE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND. UM, IDEA IS THEY WOULD WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THEY COULDN'T BE IN A DISTRICT THAT WAS OWNED, MULTIFAMILY OR SOMETHING JUST BY RIGHT? AND THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT IS AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER ON THOSE THE OTHER THINGS TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT GIVES THE TOWN MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT FEELS AND HOW IT'S STRUCTURED AND GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUIRE THE STRUCTURED PARKING AND THE RAP STYLE DESIGN AND, AND IT JUST IT ALSO HIRED AND CITY WHICH IS IN HERE. PROPOSED CHANGE TO GO FROM 24. BECAUSE WHAT WE HAD NOW, TOO 40. UNITS PER ACRE. AND WHEN YOU GET INTO THE MULTI STORIES, THE 5678 STORY YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WIND UP WITH MORE THAN 40 PER ACRE, BUT THAT WOULD BE SORT OF THE MINIMUM. AND THAT WOULD ALLOW THE RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND PERHAPS SOME OFFICE EITHER ON THE FIRST OR SECOND FLOORS AND THEN HAVING THE RESIDENTS ABOVE THAT, AND YOU SEE SEE THOSE AROUND AND IN FRISCO, OBVIOUSLY, HANDFUL AND PLAYING NOW, UM SIMON ALLEN AND ALL THE WAY DOWN THE HALLWAY. ADDISON IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES AROUND HERE THAT DE DEVELOPMENT STYLE. WORDS STRUCTURING THE MULTIFAMILY INTO HIGH END DEVELOPMENT. THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF VALUE, AND ALSO FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF TENANTS. THE IDEA IS THAT THIS TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS GOING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE WHO HAVE HIGHER AMOUNTS OF DISPOSABLE INCOME THAT DISPOSABLE INCOME CADET THEORETICALLY AND HOPEFULLY BE SPENT IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH DRIVES SALES TAX AND DRIVES, BUSINESS AND RESTAURANTS AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU TYPICALLY WOULD FIND IN A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, AND IT STARTS TO SOME POINT BASICALLY BECOME ITS OWN ENGINE.

IT DRIVES ITSELF AFTER A WHILE, WHICH IN TURN ATTRACTS PEOPLE FROM OTHER PLACES TO COME AND HANG OUT IN THE RESTAURANTS AND BUY STUFF IN THE STORES, SO THEY'RE KIND OF ALL RELATED TO EACH OTHER. BUT AS WE WENT THROUGH THE ORDINANCE WITH ALL OF THE COMPONENTS THAT WE HAD NOW THERE WERE A LOT OF PIECES IN THERE. THE EXISTING ORDINANCE THAT WE REALLY WOULDN'T NEED ANY MORE IS FAR AS THE MULTI FAMILY CONSTRUCTION IS CONCERNED, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT WAS GEARED TOWARDS THE GARDEN STYLE. VERSUS THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS STYLE. YEAH SO TAKING OUT SOME OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, FOR INSTANCE, REQUIRING GARAGES NOW THE PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGES OR A LITTLE BIT BIGGER IN SIZE THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY UM, REQUIRED IN THE GARDEN STYLE. UM. YOU KNOW, YOU ALL DRIVE ON THE SAME ROADS I DO, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF VEHICLES ON THE ROAD THAT ARE NOT GOING TO FIT IN. NINE BY 18 FT PARKING SPACE LEASED NOT TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT. YES, SIR. SO THIS IS ONLY SHOWING NEW LANGUAGE, RIGHT ? THIS DOESN'T SHOW THE PREVIOUS

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LANGUAGE. IT DOES. IT SHOWS SOME OF BOTH TO GO LIKE TO PAGE SIX. 6789 HAVE YOUR. IF YOU HAVE YOUR IPAD, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE HIM. IT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE PRINTED PACKETS. IT'S WHAT IT'S NOT IN THE COMPRESSED PACKET. IT'S ONLY IN THE FULL PACKET. I GOT YOU. I GOT YOU. OKAY THAT WORKS TO LOOK AT ALL THE RED LOTS ON YOUR IPAD IPHONE. NO THAT WAS YEAH, THAT'S HOW THEY DID. THAT'S HOW WE DID IT WITH, UM WE DO PERTIERRA, THE THAT'S HOW WE LOOKED AT THE CHANGES INTO THE NEW PROPOSAL.

I'M GOOD. OKAY BECAUSE THIS IS ALL I HAVE. SO THE GOT IT. HMM. YEAH. OKAY, SO THAT'S OPEN. I GOT IT, OKAY? THANK YOU, SIR. THERE'S ALSO REQUIREMENTS FOR MINIMUM SIZES. UM ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS, FOR INSTANCE, HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 850 SQUARE FEET. SAME WITH THE TWO BEDROOMS , ONE OR TWO BEDROOMS OR 850 SQUARE FEET AND THEN ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS. IF THERE ARE ANY REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL 150 SQUARE FEET. AND THE SIZE OF LOTS. LOT OF SETBACKS FOR FRONT YARD SIDE YARDS, REAR YARDS. ALL THOSE THINGS, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE ALL OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE IN PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM ALL BEING EXACTLY THE SAME AS PRETTY MINUSCULE. AND SO THE PD ALLOWS US TO TAYLOR. EACH OF THE VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS TYPICAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. HMM AND, UM. SAME WITH FACADES.

LOT OF LANGUAGE AS FAR AS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD AGREEMENTS THAT THAT WILL GO WITH ACTUALLY INPUT FROM THE DEVELOPER. BUT IT'S DRIVEN SHOULD BE DRIVEN PRIMARY. JEFF, BUT. THE SAME TIME IT'S. HAS TO BE REGULATIONS. ARE YOU NOT ALWAYS GOING IS WHAT. THIS. IS ALL DOING SO THIS HAS ALL BEEN REVIEWED. HAD SORT OF THE YOUR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT THIS. HAS THERE BEEN ANY OTHER COMMITTEES OR I MEAN THEY HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AS WELL. I'M JUST WONDERING THIS IS A LOT OF STUFF, RIGHT? SO TAKING EVERYTHING OUT. IT'S REALLY TAKING A LOT MORE OUT THAN IT'S PUTTING IN. THIS SEEMS LIKE SORRY WE'RE IN THE GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. ESSENTIALLY SEEMS LIKE JUST FROM WHAT I SEE HERE. THE IT IS USUALLY SEEMS LIKE ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE. MADEIRA. RIGHT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THINGS PROPOSAL. THESE WERE THE RED LINES AND THESE WERE THE MODIFICATIONS. THE FINAL MODIFICATIONS TO NOT THE. RIGHT OR SIXTH RIGHT REVISION. YOU'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT IT IS ERA. BRING IN HERE. THAT IS DIFFERENT. I MEAN, ALL 12 OF THESE UNLESS I'M UNLESS MY MEMORY IS NOT SERVING LEE. I CAN ALMOST REMEMBER EACH AND EVERY CONVERSATION AROUND EACH ONE OF THEM FROM ESTABLISHING THE MINIMUM DENSITY OF 40 ACRES 40 UNITS PER ACRE. I REMEMBER THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO UM. THE HEIGHT, NOT EXCEEDING THE EXTERIOR. ALL THIS

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STUFF SEEMS LIKE STUFF. WE HAD ALREADY KIND OF. I'M ONLY SAYING THAT TO THEM SORRY. I'M ONLY SAYING THAT TO SAY THAT. FOR ME. I'M I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE ARE, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS BRAND NEW. IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE WENT OVER ALL OF THIS DURING THE PRADERA. WORKING SESSION. POST REVIEW FINAL EDITS. SO UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I DON'T HARRIS'S. HE'S READY TO MAKE MOTIONS. PLEASE OTHER COMMISSION . I'M SORRY. HOW DO COMMISSIONERS PLEASE QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU DO THAT? SO I DO HAVE QUESTIONS JUST BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE DURING ALL OF THAT. THAT ZONING CASE SO LUCKY. YEAH I WATCHED IT ONLINE, THOUGH. UH SO THIS MULTI FAMILY DESIGNATION BY THE COMPLAINT DOESN'T CHANGE THE CURRENT SOUNDING RIGHT. SO THIS CURRENT ZONING THAT'S OUT THERE IS STILL THE CURRENT ZONE. YES SIR. ANYONE WHO WAS WONDERING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT SO IN THE RIGHT UP IT SAYS DENSITY IS GOING FROM A 15 UNIT ACRE MAX TO A 40 ACRE 40 UNIT. ACRE MINIMUM. YES IN A SENSE, IF WE PASS THIS, THEN ARE WE HAVE WE JUST TAKEN OUR MULTI FAMILY NUMBERS FROM HERE TO HERE BECAUSE THE DENSITY IS GOING FROM 15 TO 40. YES SIR. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, COUNSELORS AWARE OF. I GUESS THAT'S THEIR SUPPORTING OF THAT. AND THEN, UM. WE'RE INCREASING THE DENSITY AND, UM, WE LEFT.

THE LOT COVERAGE REMAINED AT 45 AND OPEN SPACE REMAINED AT 30% WAS THERE ANY DIALOGUE ABOUT INCREASING THE OPEN SPACE FROM 30 TO 35 OR 40? JUST TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING UP? YOU'RE GOING VERTICAL. AND NOW MAYBE WE CAN HAVE MAYBE DO MORE WITH THE OPEN SPACE TO MAKE THE UM MULTI FAMILY OF, YOU KNOW , BETTER ASSET IN THE TOWN OF PROSPER. THE REASON THAT WE DIDN'T ADJUST THOSE. IS THAT THE 45% SO MAXIMUM THE 30% MINIMUM. YOU KNOW, AND. BEING A PD, WHICH THEY'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO BE. NOW EVERY ONE OF

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COME OUT. IT'S JUST DENSITY SO, BUT WE WENT TO OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT IT IT'S IMPORTANT. FOR THINGS THAT MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEM. SPEAK. TAKEN OUT IS BECAUSE. THE TOWN DIDN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY BEFORE IF IT WASN'T IN A P D, RIGHT NO. I AGREE WITH ALL THAT. I AGREE WITH 100% WITH ALL THAT, OKAY? MY ONLY COMMENT. I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD, VERY VALID POINT ABOUT DENSITY HAPPENED. BEING THIS LINE OF WORK, SO I'M A LITTLE NEAR AND DEAR TO THE HEART, BUT, UM, I THINK YOUR POINT IS IN THE INTENT OF THIS ENTIRE AMENDMENT IS REALLY TO ENCOURAGE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT TO ENCOURAGE A HIGHER NUMBER OF UNITS. IT'S A MORE DENSE USE OF UNITS, WHICH I THINK WE ALL ARE IN FAVOR OF. MY ONLY QUESTION. I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS NOW. WHY DO WE CAPITAL DATE? SURPRISED. START TRAIL. START PEOPLE CAME AND SHOWED UP AND THEY PACK THIS ROOM. UNLIKE ALL OF THE MEETINGS THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD THIS ROOM WAS PACKED TO THE PERSON THEY WERE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT. IT'S TOO TALL . IT'S GOING TO BLOCK THE SIGN. IT'S KIND OF PUT MY HOUSE IN THE SHADE

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I'M COMFORTABLE VALUE PROBLEM ONCE THE TOWN START SEEING THE KIND OF VALUE THAT'S IN THOSE EIGHT STORES, YOU MIGHT SEE SOME 10 OR 12 3 QUICK. COMMISSIONERS ON THE MY LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE TABLE. WHAT ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON I DO HAVE A QUESTION. UM JUST A BASIC QUESTION. I GUESS THE DEFINITION OF MULTI FAMILY UM I KNOW OBVIOUSLY THIS ALL THESE UH, CHANGES MAKE GREAT SENSE FOR TYPICAL APARTMENTS, RENTAL APARTMENTS AND STEP MULTI FAMILIES A BROADER TERM UNDER OUR DEFINITION, ISN'T IT DOESN'T INCLUDE CONDOS AND GARDEN HOMES AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER THINGS, TOO. IS THAT CORRECT? IT DOES. SO DO THESE REGULATIONS WORK FOR THOSE OTHER KINDS OF RELIEF FOR THE CONDOS? IF YOU'RE BUILDING A MULTI FAMILY APARTMENT IN YOUR BUILDING A MULTI FAMILY BECAUSE CORDERO WAS DOING THAT ONE OF THEIR BUILDINGS WITH THE CONDO AND IT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THAT APARTMENT. REYNOLDS GUIDANCE STYLES DON'T FIT BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET ANY OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. THEY DON'T HAVE THE STRUCTURED PARKING HAVE THE BUT WITH THESE REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE THIS ORGANS CHANGE.

FACT, THOSE SORRY WOULDN'T WOULDN'T THESE ORDINANCE CHANGE? BECAUSE THESE ARE THESE ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING ARE ALL WITH REGARD TO ALL MULTI FAMILY MULTI FAMILY IS DEFINED TO INCLUDE SOME OF THESE OTHER USES OTHER KINDS OF MULTI FAMILY. SO IS THIS A PROBLEM FOR THE ARE WE BASICALLY NOT PERMITTING? ALL THOSE OTHER KINDS OF MULTI FAMILY FROM HAPPENING. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND IS THAT WHAT THAT DOES? GARDEN STYLE WOULDN'T BE LEGAL ANYMORE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED ANY REQUIREMENTS. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE RAP STRUCTURE DOESN'T WRITE STRUCTURED GARAGE. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE DENSITY IT. YOU CAN'T DO IT. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE. IS THAT STAFF'S POSITION THAT YOU WANT TO IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN AS A STAFF? TO TAKE THOSE OUT OF YES. AND WHY WOULD THAT BE? WHY DO WE NOT LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE PLACING THEM? YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE WHERE ALL THE OTHER APARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE. NOW THERE'S LIKE I SAID, THERE'S ABOUT 12 1300 THAT ARE ACTUALLY BUILT AND THERE'S ABOUT PROBABLY ANOTHER 1000 THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

KIND THEY'RE ALL OF THE TYPE THAT WE BASICALLY WON'T ALLOW ANYMORE. IS IT NORMAL AND NORMAL BEING WHAT YOU SEE, AMONG MOST OTHER CITIES, I GUESS TO INCLUDE THOSE OTHER KINDS OF USES. AND UNDER THE DEFINITION OF MULTI FAMILY OR DO THEY DEPENDS ON HOW YOU ACTUALLY SET YOUR DEFINITION . SOME TOWNS CONSIDERED DUPLEXES MULTIFAMILY. I DON'T. I MEAN, I DON'T CONSIDER THAT MULTI FAMILY. I CONSIDER THAT A DUPLEX BUT ARE THE DUPLEXES UNDER OUR DEFINITION, MULTI FAMILY THEY CROSS FIT UNDER THE DEFINITION, YOU CAN MAKE THEM FIT UNDER THE DEFINITION, IF DEPENDING UPON HOW YOU CHARACTERIZE THEM IN A PEERING CONCEPT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A STRAIGHT ZONING IF YOU WILL. FOR DUPLEXES OR FOR MULTI FAMILY THAT ALLOWS UM LADERA, FOR INSTANCE, THE ALL FAMILIAR WITH YEAH. OKAY WE'VE GOT IN SOME OF THE CATEGORIES. WE HAVE A LITTLE THERE A LISTED AS MULTIFAMILY, BUT THEY'RE NOT MULTI FAMILY, BUT THEY DIDN'T FIT NICE AND NEAT AND TIDY AND ANY OF OUR OTHER DEFINITIONS AND SO WHEN THEY GOT THEIR PERMITS, THEY GOT THEIR PERMITS UNDER MULTI FAMILY. SO IF A LADERA LIKE, SO I HAVE TO SEE A REAL WORLD EXAMPLE. SO IF THERE WAS ANOTHER LADERA THAT CAME FORWARD TO US. IT WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY THIS BECAUSE IT AS IT SETS TODAY IS TRULY NOT MULTI FAMILY CORRECT. OKAY? NOW WE MIGHT NOT APPROVE ANOTHER LADERA BECAUSE THAT HAD TO BE IN A PD AS WELL BECAUSE SETBACKS AND LOT SIZES OTHER THINGS DIDN'T FIT ANY OF OUR STANDARD CATEGORY. SO YOU COULDN'T BUILD ONE BY RIGHT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PD PROCESS, AND WE MIGHT NOT AS A COMMUNITY APPROVED ANOTHER LADERA. WE MAY THINK ONE'S PLANNING I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD. OR SHOULDN'T I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE A PD

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THAN YOU KNOW, IT COULD COULD BE A MIX OF WHAT THE CURRENT ONE IS . SO I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS THAT YOU KNOW, AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THESE CHANGES THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ORDINANCE CHANGE THAT YOU'RE MAKING, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO APARTMENTS AND CONDOS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS I DO THINK. WE OUGHT AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER . SHOULD WE REALLY LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF MULTI FAMILY? TWO. TO SEPARATE OUT GARDEN STYLE HOMES OR THOSE KINDS OF HOMES THAT ARE UNDER MULTI FAMILY THAT ARE NOW BASICALLY PREVENTED AND OR DO WE WANT THEM TO BE INCORPORATED. IN THIS DEFINITION ? I THINK THAT THERE'S AN ASPECT WE'VE GOT A CONSIDER THAT AND THAT CAN BE DONE LATER, I SUPPOSE. BUT THAT'S JUST DO WE NEED TO FIX OUR DEFINITION OF FAMILY? THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE HAPPY TO DO. I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT CAREFUL WHEN YOU TOTALLY ELIMINATE THE CATEGORY BECAUSE THERE'S ALL SORTS OF COURT CASES AND SUCH THAT YOU CAN'T JUST SAY NO. YOU KNOW WE DON'T. WE DON'T LIKE CIGARETTE STORES. WE'RE NOT EVER GONNA HAVE ANYTHING. I DON'T MEAN THAT . I MEAN, PERHAPS THOSE KINDS OF USES BEING IN ANOTHER CATEGORY OF THEIR OWN, JUST TAKEN OUT OF THE DESK DEFINITION OF MULTI FAMILY SO THAT THEY'RE NOT TOTALLY PROHIBITED BY VIRTUE OF WHAT WE JUST WOULD CHANGE TONIGHT. PART OF PART OF WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO. TELLINGLY ELIMINATED GARDENS. SO WHY COULDN'T ALL RIGHT? WELL, THAT'S WHY COULDN'T WE JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS LOOK AT THIS ON ITS FACE IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN WITH A GARDEN STYLE OR SOMETHING ELSE? YOU COULD THEN OR OR IF THAT DISCUSSION CAME UP, WE COULD JUST THEN SAY, OKAY, LOOK, LET'S REDEFINE. WHAT WE SEE IS MULTI FAMILY EXCLUDE THOSE PIECES. CODIFY THAT DEFINITION AND OUR ORDINANCE THAT WAY. GARDEN STYLE AND I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER ELSE WOULD BE IN THEIR TWO DUPLEXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED. ON THEIR FACE. INDIVIDUALLY NOT AS A MULTI FAMILY AS AS IT WOULD BE DEFINED. BYE. THE TOWN OF PROSPER IF WE WANTED YOU COULD ALWAYS DO THAT AFTER WE DECIDED THAT WE COMMUNITY WANTED A GARDEN STYLE COMPLEX OF SOME SORT. WE COULD MAKE IT HAPPEN. OKAY, BUT. WE WOULD HAVE TO WANT TO DO IT THROUGH A P D GARDENS START. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GUARD CELL, BUT IT'S ALSO TOWN HOMES. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW EXACTLY THE DEFINITION OF DOWN HOME TOWN HOMES THAT'S NOT INCLUDED AS A MULTI FAMILY TOWN HOMES. SOME THINGS. IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE SOME WEIRD TOWN HALL. NOT TO BE FUNNY. YOUR KIDS SEE, BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING BUILDING CODES AND DEFINITIONS VERSUS ZONING CODES AND DEFINITIONS, TOWN HOMES OR DIFFERENT THINGS, AND IN IN BOTH, AND SO YOU CAN CONSIDER THEM TOWN HOMES IF YOU WANT, OR YOU CAN CONSIDER THEM SINGLE FAMILY IF YOU WANT BECAUSE THEY ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED. AND THEREFORE THERE COULD BE VIEWED AS SINGLE FAMILY AND SO WE'LL WE'LL STRAIGHTEN THOSE OUT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. REALLY DEVELOPERS COMING HERE AND SAYING THAT THEY'RE DOING THE TOWN HOME. WE GET A LOT OF DEVELOPERS COME IN HERE SAYING THEY WANT TO DO TOWN HOMES AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY APARTMENTS. 33 BEDROOM APARTMENTS WITH A GARAGE AND I CALL IT A TOWN HOME. BUT THERE'S NO TAX DOLLARS TIED TO EACH ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS RIGHT THAT THAT BECAUSE THEY PHYSICALLY DON'T OWN THEM, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WHERE YOU GOING? WITH WHY? YEAH WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE SOME THAT PEOPLE HAVE WANTED TO CHANGE. EXISTING PDS TO THE TOWN HOMES. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WANT TO DO PATIO HOMES, PATIO HOMES, THERE'S A LADERA AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, JUST AS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER A LOT. BUT ABOUT WHAT BUT THERE REALLY ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PATIO HOME I'M GOINO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND ASK ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE IF THEY WANT TO STEP FORWARD. AND WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THAT, JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY COMMENT. REQUEST FORMS IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO NUMBER FIVE, OKAY? WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MEMBERS COME FORWARD, SO

[6. Conduct a Public Hearing to consider an ordinance amending Chapter 4, Section 5.2 – Location of Required Screening, of the Town of Prosper Zoning Ordinance to modify the screening requirements for trash and recycling collection areas. (ZONE-23-0025)]

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COUNT OF PROSPEROUS ZONING ORDINANCE TO MODIFY THE SCREENING RECORD. 23 0025. CAN PROBABLY SELL YOU THIS PICTURE AND STOP TALKING TO YOU. YOU GET THE DRAFT. UM, INTERESTING. OUR ORDINANCE.

EXTERIOR WALL ON THREE SIDES THE GATES ON THE FOURTH SIDE. CAN'T FACE STREETS ARE OPEN AREAS. UM IT HAS TO BE A SUFFICIENT HEIGHT TO COVER THE DUMPSTER THAT'S INSIDE. YOU KNOW, AND ALL MAY REMEMBER WHERE CHANGING REF USE TRASH PEOPLE.

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THOSE THAT THEN? WAS THIS. THE ONLY PHOTOS YOU HAVE IN YOUR PRESENTATION HERE? THAT WAS THAT'S IT BECAUSE IN THE PACKET IT SHOWS ONE WITH THE TRASH IS ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN THE DOOR KIND OF ON THE TOP OF THE BOXES THAT ARE LAYING EVERYWHERE. IF THAT BECOMES A COMMON OCCURRENCE , MORE. THAN ONCE, OR TWICE THEN THEY'RE TOLD THAT MORE FREQUENTLY. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS. BUT A LOT OF LOT OF FOLKS WHO HELP ASSIST US IN THAT CALL IN WHEN THEY FIND ONE. ANOTHER THING WE HAVE IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND YOU CAN SEE IT AND THE PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. CAN SEE UNDERNEATH THE DUMPSTER. ALL THE WHATEVER THAT IS. COULD BE WATER COULD BE ALL SORTS OF STUFF THAT'S LEAKED OUT OF THE BAGS AND ALL SORTS OF NASTY STUFF THAT'S SITTING IN THE BOTTOM OF THE DUMPSTER THAT LEAKS OUT ACROSS THE DRIVE. YOU'LL SEE IT SOMETIMES, IF YOU GO IN THE BACK OF STRIP CENTERS THAT HAVE RESTAURANTS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE BACK DOOR OF THE RESTAURANT. THERE IS A TRAIL THAT GOES ACROSS THE SIDEWALK TO THE DUMPSTER OF STUFF THAT'S COMING OUT PUTTING IN THE PROVISION THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. IF THAT'S THERE, THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA PAY THE CONSEQUENCES FOR DOING IT, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING IT A RULE THAT YOU HAVE YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR MESSES CLEAN CODE ENFORCEMENT. THEY ENFORCE THE TRASH PORTION TODAY IT'S THE

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I GUESS IS THAT TYPICAL? I'M SURE LEGAL ALSO REVIEWED THESE CHANGES, BUT IF SOMETHING CAME TO US LIKE THAT. WHAT IS IT? GOVERNMENT SIR. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I GUESS

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LENGTH AND WIDTH THAT'S SLIGHTLY TALLER. I MEAN, LIKE, A FEW INCHES, I DON'T MEAN A FEW FEET, AND I WOULD EVEN SAY WE'LL JUST KEEP THE SAME DIMENSION WHATEVER IT IS NOW, THE AVERAGE HOW CAN E IT? WHERE THE WHERE THE EMPLOYEES WILL WILL CLOSE. THE GATE WILL SEE THIS ONE ON THE FAR LEFT. IT'S GOT US. IT LOOKS LIKE A SMALLER A SMALL GATE THAT OPENS UP FOR MAYBE AN EMPLOYEE TO GO IN TO DUMP THE TRASH INSTEAD OF OPENING UP THE BIG GATE, RIGHT? AND RECOMMENDING IS THEY'RE BUILDING THESE TO HAVE A SMALLER GATE FOR EMPLOYEES TO GO INTO DUMP TRASH INSTEAD OF HAVING TO OPEN UP THE BIG GATES. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN SEE SOME WAY OF SOLVING THE PROBLEM OF THESE BIG GATES BEING OPEN ALL THE TIME WITH THE NEW WE'RE HOPING WITH THE NEW RULES, WITH REPUBLIC COMING IN THEM BEING RESPONSIBLE TO DO THAT. YEAH OUR

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CODE. PEOPLE GO BY AND THEY SEE A GATE THAT'S OPEN. THEY CAN. CHECK IT. TELL THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW. HEY YOU GOTTA CLOSE THIS. AND THEN IF THEY CATCH THEM AGAIN, THEY WRITE HIM A CITATION AND IT WILL TAKE LONG BEFORE PEOPLE DECIDE. ZERO TO JUST WALK OUT THERE PERIODICALLY AND MAKE SURE THE GAP BECAUSE WHO'S GOING TO OPEN IT IF IT'S NOT THEM. REPUBLICAN BUT YOU KNOW IF IT'S NOT AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS GOING TO BE OPEN, AND JUST JUST TO MAKE SURE SO THAT WHEN, WHEN A THE MOTION IS PUT OUT THERE. THE ONLY REASON WHY I WAS SAYING PUT A SPECIFIC NUMBER TWO THE HEIGHT RESPECTIVE TO THE TRASH RECEPTACLE. HEIGHT IS BECAUSE I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT IT ALREADY STATES IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IT SHOULD SUFFICIENTLY COVER THE TRASH. I DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE CALLING WOMEN BEEN OR IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. IT'S EIGHT DUMPSTER. WHAT SUFFICIENTLY COVER WAS OUR SUGGESTION TO PUT IN THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE BUT AFTER LISTENING TO YOU ARE, I AGREE. THE ONLY THING WOULD BE REMOVING THIS. THE ONLY THING ABOUT MORE THAN 8 FT THAT CONCERNS ME IS IF IT IS MORE THAN 8 FT. IT HAS TO BE ENGINEERED FOR WHEN AND THAT COULD COST SOME REAL MONEY. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN 8 FT, THEN IF IT SAYS 8 FT THAN A PH. DON'T TAKE THAT OUT. I DON'T DOESN'T MATTER TO ME TO ONE ANOTHER. THAT MATTER. I JUST SAY, JUST HAVE A NUMBER. SO YOU HAVE UNIFORMITY BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT DO 6.5 OR 7.5 AND EIGHT AND SOMETHING TO DO. SEVEN AND JUST HAVE IT UNIFORM. IF IT'S EIGHT, LEAVING AT EIGHT DON'T CHANGE IT. AND THEN THAT WAY, WE JUST MORE MORE DEFINED THAN JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT COVERS. YES I AGREE. MY LAST QUESTION ON THIS. SO PEOPLE LIKE ONLY TALKS ABOUT IT'S ACTUALLY E PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT INSPECTS THAT WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS IN FOR THEIR CEO, AND SO IT HAS TO MATCH WHAT'S ON THAT SPECTRUM. AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT'S CONSIDERED A VIOLATION. SO WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN HERE THAT SAYS, YOU HAVE TO MATCH THIS FIXATED. I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE BETTER TO DO THAT. BUT WE HAVE UTILIZED THE ONE FROM CWD SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ANYWAY. BUT AGAIN , I'M JUST NOTICING THAT IN SOME OF THE PICTURES ON HERE, THE GATES ARE SHORTER THAN THE WALLS. SO OBVIOUSLY THE SPEC SHEET UNDER CWD DIDN'T REQUIRE THAT OR SOMETHING. IT'S LIKE I SAID, IF YOU LOOK AT MOST OF THESE, THEY WERE EITHER OLD OR THEY WEREN'T DONE RIGHT. AND THEY WEREN'T INSPECTED WE WANT O WORK THAT INTO OUR MOTION AND GETS TALLER FOR THE RECORD. AND, YEAH, IT GOES DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY SO WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION JUST A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION. JUST ONE MORE COMMENT. I'M ON. I'M ON THE. GREEN TEAM TONIGHT. UM, THE

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LANDSCAPING. IT IS IRRIGATED, BUT PUT IT IN THERE TO MAKE SURE . AND OR SO. SO THIS IS REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 61. WE CAN TAKE SOME NOTES AND HAVE SOME MORE COMMENTS HERE AS WELL. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER SIX AND

[7. Conduct a Public Hearing to consider an ordinance amending Chapter 3, Section 1.4, Subpart 38 – Automobile Sales/Leasing, Used, of the Town of Prosper Zoning Ordinance to provide additional criteria for this use. (ZONE-23-0026)]

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YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH THE MANUFACTURERS. THINGS I'VE DONE. YOU

[10. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.]

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THAT'S IT, ISN'T IT? OH I'M SORRY. NO IT'S NOT. THAT'S RIGHT . POSSIBLY DIRECT. FORGET OFFSET THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE DRIVE THROUGHS. AND THE FIFTH STREET. REZONING IS APPROVED AND THEN OH, TO THE COUNCIL NEXT TUESDAY ALONG WITH THE MCDONALD'S DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND THE. WHY DIDN'T THAT MAKE FOLKS DO THE PROCESS AND THEN TURN AROUND . CHANGE THE RULES ON SAID, WELL, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU GOTTA DO PDS. WE DID WHAT WE CALL DOUBLE NOTICE WHICH SET HIM BACK TO BACK AND THE ONLY BAD THING ABOUT DOING THAT. YOU TAKE THAT CHANCE. IF YOU ALL DENY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WE'VE REALLY ADDED SOME MORE TIME TO THEM, BECAUSE THEN THEY REALLY GOT TO GO BACK AND START ALL OVER AGAIN. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FAITH THAT WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU IS SOMETHING THAT

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SO THERE'S A 5050 CHANCE I'LL BE HERE OR NOT, SO JUST LIFT OUT. Y'ALL WANT IT? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT GATES IS A PROBLEM FOR US TO PUSH THAT BACK TIME. IF YOU'VE GOT FIVE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE STILL CAN DO IT. I MEAN, UH, I'LL BE YEARS. ISSUE. I MEAN, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE DOCKET. PART OF THE STATE. BUT THE AMENDMENTS I CAN PUSH BACK TO THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL THE EARLIEST WOULD BE DECEMBER SOMETIME IF THEN, MIGHT NOT BE THERE. I'M THINKING, OKAY. SO I THINK THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HAVE FOR THIS YEAR FOR THESE, UH WHAT IS THIS CALLED REVIEWING REVIEWING THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING. IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE'VE APPROVED AND THEY'VE THEY'VE DENIED HIM. UM IF WE COULD HAVE THAT IN HERE, OKAY. THAT'S ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE ALWAYS GET ALL THE HIGHLIGHTS. BUT I WOULD LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT BECAUSE I THINK HE MADE IT GOOD. COMMISSIONER BLANCHETT MADE A COMMENT THAT WAS THAT APPROVED OR NOT, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SEEING IT ALL OVER HEARING IT ALL FROM YOU GUYS. AND YOU CAN GIVE US THE CONTEXT. YEAH. INSTANCE. WE'RE ON LIKE A PROCEDURE THINGS IF THERE'S AN UPDATE TO THE MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING, IF YOU COULD SEND IT OUT BEFORE THE MEETING, SO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT INSTEAD OF WHILE WE'RE N MEETING HELPFUL AS WELL AS IF THERE'S ANY LETTERS THAT WE THAT

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YOU GET THAT ARE NOT IN OUR PACKET. THEY COME IN. IF YOU COULD SEND IT TO US, AT LEAST WE HAVE THAT VISIBILITY TO APPRECIATE THAT WE CAN JUST GO BACK TO THE FULL PACKAGE. I DON'T OH, NO. SAY LESS. I NEED THE IPAD. I NEED MY PAPER. YEAH ALRIGHT. ANY ANY. WE'LL TAKE THIS SOFTWARE. I'LL TAKE A FULL PACK COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, SO I GUESS I HAVEN'T GOT CLARITY AS SOON WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THE MEETING OF THE 21ST. BUT IF IT'S JUST ONE ITEM OR SOMETHING THAT MERITS CONSIDERATION THERE, BUT ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS DON'T NUMBER 11 MOTION TO ADJOURN EMOTION WE ADJOURN COMMISSIONER HARRIS SECOND COMMISSIONER JACKSON ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNED. MOTION CARRIES 70. WE'RE ADJOURNED. 917 PM

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Nov 07, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission

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