Apr 18, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission

[1. Call to Order / Roll Call.]

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THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE TUESDAY APRIL 18TH 2023 PROSPER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER AT 604 P. M. THIS EVENING. A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WANT TO KNOW. COMMISSIONER HARRIS INDICATED HE WOULD BE OUT THIS EVENING TO US PREVIOUSLY.

ALSO THIS EVENING WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER , MR CARSON, WELCOME. YEP WELCOME ABOARD. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME AS A COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. OTHER THAN THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING. ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION. THOSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST COMPLETE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. REQUEST FORM LOCATED ON THE TOWN WEBSITE OR IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. IF YOU'RE ATTENDING IN PERSON, PLEASE SUBMIT THIS FORM TO THE BOARD CHERRY STAFF MEMBER PRIOR TO THE MEETING. WHEN CALLED UPON . PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. IF YOU'RE ATTENDING ONLINE, VIRTUALLY PLEASE ENSURE YOUR FULL NAME APPEARS ON THE SCREEN AND YOU'RE MUTED. SO THE MEETING MODERATOR CAN RECOGNIZE YOU AND ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK. THE CHAT FEATURE IS NOT MONITORED DURING THE MEETING. THE TOWN ASSUMES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR TECHNICAL ISSUES. THAT ARE BEYOND OUR CONTROL. ADAM NUMBER TWO THIS EVENING IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE PLAYER. STATES OF AMERICA. OR THIS STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD. INDIVISIBLE. LIBERTY AND BECAUSE THIS FOR ALL HMM. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. I DON'T NUMBER THREE THIS EVENING'S CONSENT

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I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THREE A AND THREE B. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER VAN WOLF. DO WE HAVE A 2ND 2ND 2ND FROM COMMISSIONER PETTIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PROVING PROVING CONSIDER JOHN ADAMS THREE A AND THREE B, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. CONSIDER AGENDAS APPROVED WITH EVERYONE VOTING FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU.

[CITIZEN COMMENTS]

[5. Conduct a Public Hearing, and consider and act upon a request to amend the Future Land Use Plan from Residential Medium Density to Residential High Density, generally located on the southeast corner of Prosper Trail and Teel Parkway. This is a companion case to Z21-0010. (CA22-0001).]

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERING ACT UPON REQUEST TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FROM RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL HIGH DENSITY. GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PROSPER TRAIL AND TAIL PARKWAY. THIS IS A COMPANION CASE TO Z 21-10. K C A 22-1. DAVID. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. SO ADAM, FIVE IS THE UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THAT WAS REQUESTED DUE TO A ZONING REQUEST, WHICH IS THE NEXT ITEM THAT WILL GO OVER. UM THERE'S ONLY REQUEST IS FOR A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND TO PRETTY MUCH ALLOW A RETIREMENT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TEAL PARKWAY AND PROSPER TRAIL. IN FRONT OF YOU IS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. UM THIS BASICALLY TELLS YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, LAND USE THAT HAS BEEN IN OUR HAS BEEN LABELED BY DIFFERENT COLORS AND DIFFERENT INTENSITIES. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AREA THAT I HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. MORE SPECIFICALLY. SO THE CURRENT AREA IS, UM HOW'S THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY. AND THIS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS FOR LOT SIZES THAT RANGE BETWEEN 12,500 SQUARE FEET TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET. UM

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AND WE CAN REFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT ON THE CART. EERIE, A THAT THEY WENT OVER, UM, FOR THE FUTURE OF ANNAN'S PLAN AMENDMENT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR DAVID THIS EVENING. AND I GUESS, DAVID, I THINK. AS A POINT OF PRINCIPLE THERE REALLY ON A CHANGE TO THE LAND USE PLAN. STAFF DOESN'T REALLY COME OUT WITH A RECOMMENDATION. CORRECT CORRECT. HEY, DAVID. QUICK QUESTION IN TERMS OF MATH. I DON'T KNOW THIS IS FOR A YEAR FOR THE DEVELOPER. BUT IN TERMS OF THE SHIFT TO GO FROM, UM MEDIUM DENSITY TO HIGH QUANTITY OF HOMES, QUANTITY OF RESIDENTS , IS THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE DELTA OF THOSE TWO ARE. UM AS FAR AS FOR I MEAN, NO, WE DON'T. I MEAN AGAIN, WE HAVE THE BOILING CAN BE 2.4 DWELLINGS IN THE 2.6 COULD BE POTENTIALLY HIGHER, SO IT'S REALLY, UM WE DID SOME POPULATION FROM CALCULATIONS AND THERE WASN'T REALLY A CHANGE AGAIN DUE TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THEY PROPOSED IN THE PROPOSED ZONING, WHICH IS OUR NEXT ITEM. UM, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS MORE OF A HIGH DENSITY BASED ON THE USES THAT THEY'RE ALLOWING, AND THE DENSITY AND LOT SIZES. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. DAVID ON THAT ON THAT LAST SLIDE, YOU JUST HAD UP WHERE IT SAID 10,000 AND LESS. LESS MEANING HOW LOW HOW LONG DID THEY GO? UM SORRY, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JUST GUIDES US AND SAYS ANYTHING LESS THAN 10,000. SO UM, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE LOT SIZE. UM. REGULATIONS ARE NOT REGULATIONS, BUT GUIDANCE IS FOR THE FUTURE. LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT. SO I THINK YOU KNOW FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S HERE. IF A CHANGE IS MADE. TO THIS PLAN, A NUMBER OF ZONING CASES COULD COME FORWARD. BASED ON OUR NEW

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MINIMUM. ALL OF THEM WILL BE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, AND THAT IS THE PROPOSAL FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY COMPONENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO WHICH THIS ITEM IS RELATIVE TO. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. FOR THAT POINT, UM YOU KNOW, IT'S. AS DAVID MENTIONED, YOU'RE NOT CREATING SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF UNICEF. BECAUSE OF THE MEDIUM TO THE HIGH DENSITY, HIGH DENSITY CHANGE. YOU KNOW, I'M STILL WITHIN THE WINDOW OF THE DENSITY, BUT MY LOT AREA IS NOT FALLING TO THE 12 5 MINIMUM, WHICH IS WHY I NEED THE AMENDMENT IN ORDER TO BRING THAT PRODUCT THERE. AND ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY AS STATED IN THE STAFF'S REPORT HERE OVER 700 LOTS, UM, ABOVE 17,000 SQUARE FEET WITHIN ONE SONG RANCH, SO THE GOAL WOULD BE TO BRING MORE VARIETY TO THE LIKE. PRODUCT AVAILABLE. THERE ACTUALLY IS NOT A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT PRODUCT AVAILABLE WITHIN WINDSONG. SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S BELOW AND ABOVE. SO WE THINK WE'RE KIND OF SLIDING INTO YOU KNOW A PRODUCT THERE THAT WILL BE EASIER TO SELL. AND MAYBE WE'LL FIT, UM CREATE MORE ATTAIN ABILITY FOR THE PURCHASING POWER WITHIN THE TOWN OF PROSPECTS. THANK YOU. WELL THANKS FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. DID WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? 40 GET AWAY. WE MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO YOU SPOKE TO THE LOT SIZE? WHAT MAYBE SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. ISN'T THERE A RETIREMENT HOUSING COMPONENT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE AS WELL. THERE IS, UH, I THINK THAT FALLS UNDER THE NEXT ITEM. I'M NOT SURE IF I SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE GET TO THAT.

BECAUSE THE RETIREMENT HOUSING DOESN'T COMPONENT. DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. YOU KNOW THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS SIZE FOR THE TRACKED ONE OF THE SITE AND TRACK TWO WOULD BE THE RETIREMENT HOUSING COMPONENT, WHICH IS AN S U P REQUEST FOR COMMERCIAL UM, I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT ITEM.

DAVID SHOULD. YEAH SO, SO REALLY , UM, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. UM THE RETIREMENT HOUSING AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT ITEM, BUT IT IS CONSIDERED A MULTI FAMILY PRODUCT. AS YOU'LL RECALL. WE HAD ELDERS AND LADERA AS PART OF THAT CALCULATIONS OF THE BIG MULTI FAMILY, UM, MAP THAT WE'VE HAD, UM AND SO IT ALSO PART IS PART OF THE REQUEST FOR THE HIGH DENSITY JUST BECAUSE IT IS APARTMENTS TECHNICALLY. I KNOW IT'S FOR RETIREMENT HOMES AND ITS OWN DEFINITION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU APPRECIATE THAT. ALRIGHT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THE PRODUCT YOU'RE PROPOSING? UM THE CLOSEST EXAMPLE UM OFFHAND. UM THERE'S A REGION OF WINDSONG RANCH. IT'S BRANDED AS THE 71 70 FT WIDE LIGHT PRODUCT, AND IT TURNS OUT ON THIS PRIVATE PRIVATE BEING 80 FT LOT SO THAT THEY FIT SIDE YARD. YOU HAVE 64 FT ARCHITECTURE ON THE STREET, WHEREAS ON THE 71 ABOUT 55 SO AT NINE FT TO THE 55 FT PRODUCT, YOU SEE ON THE 71 THE WINDSONG RANCH AND BE VERY COMPARABLE IN PRICE POINT, UM, NOT NECESSARILY THE AESTHETIC LOOK OF ARCHITECTURE, BUT THE PRESENCE ON THE STREET 64 FT PRODUCTS AND 55 SO UM AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING, UM CUSTOM HOME BUILDER ON THE SITE, UM AND SOMEWHERE AROUND, YOU KNOW 1.5 TO 2 MILLION. PRICE POINT FOR THESE. UM, BETWEEN PROSPER HILLS AND PARK PLACE.

ALSO ANOTHER DFW EN RESIDENTIAL DEAL IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST, OF WHICH THEY WILL BOTH BE SHARING AMENITY SPACES. UM I DON'T HAVE AN AN IMAGE ON HAND TO SHOW YOU BUT I CAN. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS EVENING GOING THROUGH THAT WITH US PUBLIC HEARING AT THEM, AND I'VE GOT SEVERAL COMMENT.

REQUEST FORMS THAT HAVE, I THINK BEEN TURNED IN THIS EVENING. SO THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO ADAM, NUMBER FIVE. CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. FOUR AND FIVE. THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.

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FOR A LACK OF INFORMATION. WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WILL GO IN THERE. AND THE TREE CLEARING THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING SO FAR IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS, LEAVES A LOT OF SPECULATION AS TO WHAT THOSE PLANS ARE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? TYPICALLY ON THE PUBLIC HEARING YOU, YOU STATE. YOUR YOUR STATEMENT, AND WE LISTEN AND APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE SO WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I MAY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IF WE HAVE ANY MAPS TALKING ABOUT THIS POND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT VERY WELL DONE. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE IN YOUR FEEDBACK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HEY DAVID, DID YOU LOOK AT IT AS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THAT POND SITUATION OR ARIZONA. AN ISSUE AT THIS POINT, YES. SO TYPICALLY FOR THE FOR THE ZONING, UM WE DON'T REALLY EVER GET INTO THE ENGINEERING. UM I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAVE LOOKED AT YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO, BUT THEY WERE JUST NEED TO MEET ALL OF OUR TOWN STANDARDS. AND IF THERE'S TREES AND IF THEY'RE MITIGATED AND CERTAIN CALIBER SIZES THEY WILL NEED TO PAY. I MEAN AGAIN, THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT SOME PRETTY HEAVY PLANS TO THE TOWN ONCE HIS ONLY GOES THROUGH, UM AND AGAIN, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS COMPLIANCE WITH OUR TIME'S STANDARDS. OKAY. THANKS. DAVID. APPRECIATE THAT.

WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD THIS EVENING TO SPEAK. ON OH, ON THIS IDOL. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TINA GARZA. I LIVE AT 23 13 COMMONS WAY AND PROSPER. SO I SHARE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE ALREADY MENTIONED HERE, SO I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION A COUPLE OF MORE WEEKS. UH THAT WHOLE FLOODPLAIN AREAS JUST RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE. AND SO MY HOUSE ONE NEXT DOOR TO ME, BUT BOTH HOUSES NEXT DOOR TO ME HAVE SOME TREES THAT I ATTEND WITH

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OR REALLY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND SO WE JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR AS TO WHAT'S PLANNED BACK THERE, AND THEY'RE WALKWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S REALLY JUST WHAT I'LL ADD AS FAR AS OUR CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO THAT AREA. THANK YOU GUYS. THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. ANYONE ELSE THIS EVENING IS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK. YES, YES. YOD BLAM. TELUS GROUP 1 30 NORTH PRESTON ROAD SUITE 1 30. I DIDN'T PLAN ON SPEAKING TONIGHT AND THEY USUALLY KEEP MY NOSE OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S CASES. BUT THIS IS ADJACENT TO WINDSONG. I HAVE WORKED IN PROSPER FOR 16 YEARS. AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. CHOOSE MY WORDS CAREFULLY. TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT THING GETS DONE OR THAT THE WRONG THING DOESN'T GET DONE FOR THE WRONG REASONS. IF THAT MAKES SENSE, UM I BELIEVE I KNOW THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY. WE WEREN'T CONTACTED FOR THIS CASE.

WE LITERALLY GOT THIS IN THE MAIL YESTERDAY, EVEN THOUGH THE ENVELOPE WAS POSTMARKED APRIL 6TH IS NOT HERE. IS BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM LATER ON THE AGENDA, SO IT'S UM. THAT'S WHY I'M EVEN HERE A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE WHAT SIZES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. ARE VERY COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S IN WINDSONG. PHASE NINE TO THE NORTH. WHICH ARE 9000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUMS. I BELIEVE AND TO THE WEST, WHICH IS OUR PHASE SIX A, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY 50 BY 1 30 MINIMUM LOTS. SO IN TERMS OF LOT SIZE. I DON'T WANT TO GET COMMISSIONER. THE TOWN HUNG UP ON MEDIUM VERSUS HIGH VERSUS LOW BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACRES AND YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF LOTS THEY'RE PROPOSING, I MEAN, IT'S A DENSITY OF JUST OVER TWO. UM I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE GREEN BELT OR THE POND TO THE SOUTH OF THE PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN. SPOKE ABOUT. I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT. I DO KNOW THAT AS A DEVELOPER. YOU'VE GOT TO DO, UH , WETLANDS DELINEATIONS, AND IT WOULD SURPRISE ME. IF THERE WEREN'T SOME WETLANDS IN THIS AREA THAT YOU JUST HAD TO STAY OUT OF. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HAVE LOOKED AT THE SITE. UM I DO KNOW THAT THE LOTS AND ARTEMISIA WHICH ARE TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE SECOND PAGE AND THE PACKET FOR ITEM FOUR. MM NONE OF THOSE ARE BIGGER THAN 60. FT IN WIDTH. THERE'S A LOT OF THEM AT THE NORTH END OF OUR TEACHERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY 40 FT IN WIDTH, SO I THINK IN TERMS OF LOT SIZE COMPATIBILITY, I THINK THAT ARGUMENT FROM OTHER RESIDENTS IS PROBABLY NOT VALID. THE GREEN SPACE AND HOW THAT GETS TREATED.

I THINK TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE THAT'S AROUND IT THAT THEY SHOULD KNOW HOW HOW IT GETS TREATED. THE QUESTIONS I HAVE NOTING THAT TEAL PARKWAY WILL BE ULTIMATELY A SIX LANE DIVIDED THOROUGHFARE. THE NORTH END OF THIS PROPERTY BEING PROSPER TRAILS AT FOUR LANE. DIVIDED DAVID ULTIMATELY. HOW THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S SIX. I THINK IT'S 441 AND IT'S DEFINITELY FOUR. ULTIMATELY IT'S CURRENTLY TOO, WHICH IS WHAT GREEN BRICK PUT IN WITH PHASE NINE WHEN THEY DEVELOPED PHASE NAME. SO THE QUESTION I HAVE ALSO KNOW THAT THIS IS GATED, WHICH I THINK BRINGS IT UP A NOTCH IN TERMS OF HOW IT COULD BE PRESENTED IN THE TOWN HAS SOME PRETTY STRICT RULES ON TRAFFIC, STACKING. ALSO ON WHAT SCREENING WHILE NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE WHICH IS USUALLY ALTERNATING STONE AND WROUGHT IRON, WHICH IS UH, PART PART OF THE REASON WE DID THAT IN WINDSONG. IT DOESN'T DESIGNATE WHAT TYPE OF STONE OR WHAT COLOR BUT IT NEEDS TO BE BROKEN UP WITH LANDSCAPING AND IRON AND MASONRY. UM SO WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FROM FROM

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I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT A BACKDOOR WAY. OF GETTING COMMERCIAL ZONING, WHERE IT'S LIKE RETIREMENT. ZONING DIDN'T WORK, SO WE DEFAULTED TO OUR OTHER OPTIONS, WHICH ARE A STRIP RETAIL CENTER AT THE GAS STATION OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT ON THAT QUARTER. UM I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT'S INTENDED, BUT I'M I'M JUST RAISING THAT AS A AS AS A QUESTION. MAYBE IT'S CLARIFICATION IS A BETTER WAY TO CHARACTERIZE THAT. BUT IN TERMS OF THE USE I THINK IT'S VERY COMPATIBLE WITH WITH WHAT'S IN THE AREA. AND DON'T GET HUNG UP ON MEDIUM VERSUS HIGH BECAUSE THAT'S JUST SEMANTICS. IF YOU LOOK AT LOT SIZES OF WHAT'S SURROUNDING IT, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, IS ACTUALLY I WE THINK COMPATIBLE, AND WE DID NOT OPPOSE IT. UM. I MEAN, THAT'S I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY DONE THIS SPOKEN ON AN UNPLANNED BASIS FOR LIKE 20 YEARS BECAUSE I'M SMART ENOUGH TO KEEP MY NOSE OUT OF IT. BUT SINCE THIS IS SO NEAR WINDSONG AND I'M SENSING THE CONVERSATION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE REALLY APPLIES TO ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE, BOTH. BUT I THOUGHT I'D SET THOSE OUT. UM TO THE EXTENT THERE. THEY'RE USEFUL. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LISTENING. YEAH THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE ELSE THIS EVENING? I'D LIKE TO COME SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ALRIGHT WITH THAT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ONE THING I ASKED DAVID HIM. WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK PRIOR TO THE MAY I KNOW I'VE GOT I BELIEVE I COUNTED 12 PUBLIC. COMMENTS HERE ON I THINK FOUR OR FIVE OR A COMBINATION OF THEM AND IN OPPOSITION. AH! WHAT OTHER KIND OF FEEDBACK THAT YOU GET PRIOR TO THE MEETING THIS EVENING. UM I HAVE NOT RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM ANY RESIDENTS. UM I DON'T KNOW IF I HEARD, UM, GIVE YOU TALK ABOUT THE MAILING AND HE GOT POSTMARKED, AND THEN HE JUST GOT IT SO UM, I KNOW WE SENT IT ON TIME ON THE FRIDAY.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME OUT HERE ACTUALLY FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT OPPOSITIONS FOR BOTH ITEMS BEFORE YOU HAD HEARD NOTHING, EITHER. MHM YEAH, YEAH, DEFINITELY ARE AWARE OF THAT.

THAT'S FAIR. ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. WHAT COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE? COMMISSIONER THEN WE'LL HAVE A QUESTION, I GUESS FOR DAVID, OR FOR THE DEVELOPER IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE RESIDENT COMMENTS. I BELIEVE WE HEARD FROM MR HUBER AND MR GARZA ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE GREEN SPACE, THE TREES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PART OF REALLY ITEM FIVE OF THAT'S GONNA BE HELD FOR ITEM FORWARD. I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW MUCH WE CAN SPEAK TO THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MR BLOOM UM, I SPOKE TO IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT'S SIMPLY ADD SOME CLARITY MORE THAN HAPPY TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ON SOME OF THE RESPONSES FOR THAT, BUT LIKE I SAID EARLIER, UM YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE ULTIMATE A PRELIMINARY PLAN , CIVIL PLANS AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT WILL LOOK AT FLOODING ISSUES, TREES, CALIPER SIZES, AND IF THERE'S MITIGATION NEEDED , DEFINITELY LOOK AT ALL THAT AND MAKE COMMENTS, BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO REFER TO THE APPLICANT AND HAVE THEM COME BACK UP TO DISCUSS THE NAKED EYE . LOOKING BACK AT ITEM FOR WITH THE PRELIMINARY, JUST RENDERING IT LOOKS LIKE THE GREEN SPACE.

LEFT ALONE AND THE ROAD IS TO THE NORTH OF IT AGAIN. I KNOW THAT'S JUST AN IMAGE, SO NO WORDS MATTER MORE THAN IMAGES, BUT THAT'S THE ONE THING I LOOKED AT. WHILE MR HEBREW, MR GARZA, WE'RE SHARING THOSE THOUGHTS TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON IT. YEAH. OKAY, NOW ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP HERE.

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THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA TAKE YOU BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER'S HERE. AND SO I KIND OF I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS NUMBER OF WAYS, BUT I KIND OF LOOK AT ADAM NUMBER FIVE. AS WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE ITEM FOLLOWING THIS ITEM, AND WE DON'T KNOW. ONCE WE MAKE THIS CHANGE TO THAT PLAN, IT'S IN PLAY. IT'S THERE FOR WHATEVER MIGHT HAPPEN, SO I JUST KIND OF ENCOURAGE US AS WE LOOK AT THIS FIRST ALBUM TO LOOK AT. HEY ARE WE READY TO MAKE THIS CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. SO WITH THAT, UH, I GUESS I'LL GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO SPEAK. I WON'T PUT MR CARSON ON THE ON THE ROPES FIRST TO COMMENT, SO I'LL START WITH YOU, MR PETTIS, YOUR THOUGHTS ON CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UNFORTUNATELY, DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO ME. OKAY, PUT IT ON. JACKSON. ALL RIGHT. I'M A I'M GONNA IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT NOW. UM, A LOT OF IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH. NOT KNOWING SOME THINGS BECAUSE WHERE WE'RE WORKING STUFF IN THE WAY WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW. I JUST DON'T FEEL I'M FULLY CLEAR AS FAR AS UM THE DESIGN ITSELF. WHAT WERE PRESENTED WHAT WAS A LOT? UM AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN EVERYTHING SO. I AGREE WITH WITH , UH, COMMISSIONER JACKSON, AS I THINK THAT YOU KNOW WHEN I INITIALLY HEAR THE WORD MOVING FROM MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY. THAT'S NOT SOME. I'M EXCITED ABOUT JUST TO BE HONEST, WHETHER IT'S THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE THERE BUT TO YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CHANGE FROM, YOU KNOW, 12 5 TO 10, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE LOTS THAT ARE 10 AND BELOW AND IN AREAS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. I THINK MY CONCERN WITH APPROVING A LAND USE FUTURE LAND OR LAND USE AMENDMENT. WHAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND FALLS THROUGH? AND IT TURNS INTO SOMETHING ELSE AND SOMETHING WE CAN UNWIND KNOWING THAT SPACE IS LIMITED. SO I'M SIMILAR TO YOU IN TERMS OF, UM, LIKE WHAT I'VE SEEN IN SOME CAPACITY, BUT AFRAID IF WE COMMIT TO THIS WHAT IF IT FALLS THROUGH AND IT DOESN'T IT BEING COMMERCIAL, THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY OR SOMETHING ELSE CHANGES AND THEN WE'RE STUCK. I HAVE HAD THE SAME CLINGS. UH, THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE, UM, I AM NOT IN FAVOR RIGHT NOW GOING FROM FROM MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY. UM I DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF SOME OF THE THINGS MR BLEND BROUGHT BROUGHT UP OF. WHY ARE WHERE WHY THEY HAVE WHAT SOME SOME PLACES HAVE MEDIUM DENSITY WITH. 10,008 OR 10,000. SQUARE FOOT LIGHTS, UM AND BUT WITH MEDIUM DENSITY BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT HERE? KEEPING IT MEDIUM DENSITY? UM AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, LET'S DO THAT. BECAUSE I LIKE THE CONCEPT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE I REALLY DON'T LIKE GOING TO HIGH DENSITY. BECAUSE OF THE KIND OF WARMS IT OPENED UP. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER REEVES.

COMMISSIONER CARSON. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS. WELL BEING RELATIVELY NEW HERE. I WOULD SAY

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HMM. WHEN COULD THAT? COULD THAT COME AGAIN AT THE NEXT CASE? COULD THAT BE BROUGHT BACK UP TO US AGAIN? AT SOME POINT, AND IF SO, I'M GUESSING IT COULD AT SOME POINT BUT HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT BEFORE THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. SO TYPICALLY, UM AND I'M PRETTY SURE SO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT TALKS ABOUT IF WE SEE THE DENIAL, SO ESSENTIALLY DENIAL RECOMMENDATION WOULD GO TO CHANNEL COUNCIL. RIGHT SO YOU'VE GOT TO CANCEL THE COUNCIL AFFAIRS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF POTENTIAL DENIAL. UM AND THEN, IF AT THAT TIME OF COUNCIL DOES DENY THE REQUEST. THEN IT GETS DENIED. AND SO WE DO HAVE IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE A YEAR THAT THEY HAVE TO WAIT BEFORE SUBMITTING ANYTHING. THEY CHANGED IT DRAMATICALLY, THEN WE MIGHT ALLOW THEM TO COME IN AS A NEW, UM, YOU KNOW, FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT REQUESTS, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S A YEAR IN ARZO COMPARED AND OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. SO TABLING. IT WOULDN'T MAKE IT. THEY WEREN'T THEY WOULDN'T GO TO COUNCIL QUITE YET. CORRECT THE ITEM OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT GO TO COUNCIL. BUT IF YOU DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, THEN I WOULD GO TO COUNSEL WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION. SO THE ONE THING I'LL SAY BEFORE WE GET A MOTION HERE FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS, IF WE DO HAVE A MOTION BY DENYING OR APPROVING THIS ONE, OF COURSE, THEN WE GO THE NEXT ADAM IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL EITHER WAY. IF WE TABLE IT, ALL WE'RE DOING IS KICKING THE BUCKET DOWN THE ROAD. UH YOU KNOW, AND FOR TWO WEEKS TO A MONTH, PROBABLY SO THAT SO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT, AS AS AS WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE,

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UM AGAIN, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY WANT TO PROVIDE MORE REASONING FOR CHANGE ANYTHING WITHIN. UM YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY REQUEST THEY CAN. UM BUT WE DON'T REQUIRE A NOTICE OR ANYTHING FOR THE COM PLAN. UM AND SO, ESSENTIALLY WHENEVER THEY'RE READY, OBVIOUSLY WITH DUE TIME AND DO TIME FOR THE FOR THE PACKET, UM, IT COULD BE AS EARLY AS THE NEXT PNC MEETING. SO, SO DAVID F. SINCE WE'RE TABLE IN IT. AND LISTENING TO DAVID HOLMES RESPONSE ABOUT NOT GETTING THE LETTER UNTIL YESTERDAY. WELL RESIDENTS BE ABLE TO STILL SUBMIT THEIR RESPONSES TO US IS THAT OVER SO THAT THE CASE IS SO ACTIVE, SO THEY CANY , UM YOU KW , RECEIVE THEY CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS. THEY CAN FRIED EMAILS TO US AS FAR AS OUR QUESTIONS AND WILL UPDATE THAT WITH THE PACKAGE. I THINK WE JUST GOT THESE ALL TODAY, SO THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T GET ANY WITHIN THIS AFT REPORT. BUT YOU'LL SEE EVERYTHING. COPY IT AND WE'LL ADD. YOU KNOW ALL THAT INFORMATION TO THE PACKET. YES SIR. SORRY JUST REALLY. IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION. THE ENVELOPE WE RECEIVED WENT THROUGH A POSTAGE METER APRIL 6TH. THE POST OFFICE POSTMARKED IT APRIL 6TH. MY COMMENT WAS NOT HEY, THE TOWN GOT IT OUT LATE.

THAT WASN'T IT. I'M JUST TELLING YOU POST OFFICE GET IT ON THE SIXTH. WE GOT IT. OFFER PRESTON ROAD LITERALLY AND YESTERDAY'S MAIL, SO THAT WAS NOT A OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN GET SOME MORE. ALRIGHT SO I DON'T NUMBER FIVE IS TABLED AND I GUESS WE'LL DEFER THE TOWN STAFF WHETHER IT MAKES MEETS THE MAY 2ND AGENDA FOR THE FOLLOWING AGENDA AFTER THAT, WHICH, I GUESS WOULD BE MAY 16TH LIKE TO ADD TO THE APPLICANT THOUGH YOU HEARD OUR CITIZENS SO I'D I'D BE REALLY CAN ON TOP OF THAT, AND MAYBE ADDRESS THEIR ISSUES AND THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE WHEN YOU COME BACK. ALL RIGHT, SO WE MOVE ON RIGHT ALONG, SO WE STARTED FIVE. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO FOUR. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND ALL THIS. ADD ILLEGAL NOTE FOR ITEM FOR BECAUSE WE DID NOT BECAUSE WE TABLED THE LAND USE AMENDMENT. THE CURRENT, UM EXISTING LAND USE IS FOR RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY AND TO AMEND TO ADOPT THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR AS WRITTEN WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE EXISTING LAND USE PLAN. ON ANIMAL DON'T FORGET, SO WOULD IT MAKE SENSE AT THIS TIME TO ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. SHOULD WE GO AHEAD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IN TABLE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, SO YOU CAN CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN I THINK AT THE CLOSE OF IT, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE TABLE OR DENY THE AMENDMENT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M GIVING YOU THE JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU COULD APPROVE IT TECHNICALLY, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF OUR OUR LAND USE PLAN AT THE MOMENT, SO THAT IS ALL UP TO YOU, BUT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL, AND I WOULD JUST AGAIN FROM MY POINT FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW, UM, DENYING IT WITH THE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE LAND USE PLAN AS WE HAVE UNTIL WE ADOPT IN A MINUTE. HOW THE TABLE THAT, UM, FROM YES. REMEMBER FIVE.

IT'S CONFUSING. APOLOGIZE NO, IT MAKES SENSE, ACTUALLY, SO DO DO WE SO DAVID WOULD REFER TO YOU

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[4. Conduct a Public Hearing, and consider and act upon a request to rezone 69.9± acres from Agriculture (A), a portion of Planned Development-40 (PD-40), and a portion of Single Family-12.5 (SF-12.5) to Planned Development-Single Family (PD-SF), generally to allow for a residential development and retirement housing development, located on the southeast corner of Prosper Trail and Teel Parkway. (Z21-0010)]

THIS IS CASES HE 21-10. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER. SO AS MENTIONED THE LOCATION IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TEAL AND PROSPERITY IS INDICATED ON THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REZONING FROM AG TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT. UM FOR A RETIREMENT, HOME AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED TWO TRACKS OF LAND. UM TRACTOR LINE, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL TRACT, WHICH FOLLOWS PRETTY MUCH ARE SINGLE FAMILY.

RSF 10 BASED ON DISTRICTS AND ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF A 141 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS, UM, TRACK TO YOU, WHICH IS THE RETIREMENT TRACKED. UM THAT IS THE, UM IT'S CREATED ITS OWN STANDARDS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND ALLOWS TO RETIREMENT HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. UM AS I MENTIONED , UM, IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND, UM, THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING ENTRY POINTS FOR THE NON RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THE SUBDIVISION IS PROPOSED TO BE PRIVATE GATED DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL TRACKS. UM HE TALKS ABOUT SORT OF THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE LOT SIZES AND AS MENTIONED BRIEFLY TODAY WE FINALLY WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AROUND THE SURROUNDING AREA. UM PARK PLACE STRESSED TOWARD THE EAST. UM WHICH IS THE SF 12.5 ALLOWS FOR 206 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AND THAT DOES HAVE THAT THAT BASED ON ANY SSL 2060.5 TOWARDS THE WEST AND NORTH. UM I GUESS THAT HAS MENTIONED BEFORE WINDSONG RANCH ALLOWS HAVE ALREADY OF TYPE A AND TYPE F, WHICH RANGES IN SIZE FROM 6000 SQUARE FEET TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET. UM MARCIA, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING JUST ACROSS THE STREET.

UM WINDSONG RANCH PHASE NINE, UM, TOWARDS THE NORTH HAS 92 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ARTS, WHICH ARE MINIMUM 9000 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN WHEN SOME RANCH PHASE SIX TOWARDS THE WEST HAS 102 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS 18. 8000 SQUARE FEET, 3 9000 SQUARE FEET AND 81 6000 SQUARE OR 66,000 SQUARE FEET. SO AGAIN, I DIDN'T MENTION THIS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT THERE'S LOTS OF OUR LOT SMALLER. THERE'S LOTS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER TOWARDS THE EAST. UM AGAIN, WINSTON RANCHER DOES HAVE SMALLER LOTS ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. BUT THE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY DOES PROVIDE AMENITIES GREEN SPACE AND AROUND 700 LOTS ABOVE THE MINIMUM 12,500. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED NUMEROUS AMOUNT OF TIMES TODAY. UM BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES LIKE STAR TRAIL THERE CAN SEE GARDENS ONE SONG RANCH THAT PROVIDE THAT VERITY OF SOME BIGGER LOTS BUT SOME SMALLER LOTS. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEDIUM DENSITY EARLIER. UM SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SOME OF THE SMALLER LOTS IN THAT MEDIUM DENSITY. CHECK TO WHICH IS THE RETIREMENT TRACT, WHICH ALLOWS TO RETIREMENT HOUSING. SO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE DOES HAVE A RETIREMENT HOUSING DEFINITION, WHICH IS LISTED IN FRONT OF YOU, UM AND SO IT DOES HAVE ITS OWN DEFINITION. UM IF SOMEWHAT CONSIDERED A FORM OF MULTI FAMILY LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE IN THE PAST, WE'VE WE'VE CONSIDERED OUT THERE, UM, OUTERS AND LADERA AS PART OF THAT MULTI FAMILY IF YOU WILL RECALL THAT MULTI FAMILY MAP THAT HAS BEEN, UM THEY FAMOUS LATELY. UM YOU CAN SEE IT ALDERS AND UM LADERA, WHICH IS AN AGE RESTRICTED OR 55, PLUS COMMUNITY. AND SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO MENTION WHY IT'S CONSIDERED PART OF THE MULTI FAMILY. YES, IT MAY NOT BE. AS.

I MEAN, I HAVE A HUGE IMPACT COMPARED TO A MULTI FAMILY WITH KIDS OR WHATNOT. UM BUT IT IS

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AGAIN IT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, REZONING REQUESTS AS WELL AS A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT AS WELL. SO AGAIN. THIS IS JUST A MULTI FAMILY THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM CURRENTLY WE HAD OUTERS AND LADERA, WHICH ARE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR THAT ARE PART OF THE MULTI FAMILY COUNT. UM WE'VE ACTUALLY UPDATED THE MAP THE MAP ON THE RIGHT SIDE TO PROVIDE AND I THINK THAT WAS PART OF ANOTHER ZONING REQUEST THAT WE'VE HAD JUST TO KIND OF SHOW THAT. YES IT'S NOT REALLY A TRUE MULTI FAMILY, BUT IT IS PART OF A MULTI FAMILY COMPONENT. AND SO NOW WE HAVE SENIOR LIVING, UM EXISTING MULTI FAMILY AND ENTITLED AND I THINK WE EVEN TOOK OUT THE TOWN HOMES THAT WERE PART OF THAT MAP AS WELL. AND SO WE AMENDED THAT. AND SO AGAIN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE ZONING REQUEST. UM AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AS WELL AS THE, UM, INTRODUCTION OF SOMEWHAT OF A MULTI FAMILY FORM TO THE TOWN AND PROSPER. AND, UH OUTSIDE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL. JUST LATER. THANK YOU. THIS TIME, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND IT'S WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO, UH COME UP AND SPEAK TO THIS. SO I JUST SPEAK. GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ANDREW GREGORY, PLEASE. NATHAN PARROT, UM, PAPER ASKING CONSULTING ENGINEERS, 61 OH, FIVE TENNYSON DRIVE. IS THAT IN FRISCO OR JUST PLAIN OH, RIGHT THERE. SOUTH LEGACY WEST. SO THIS THIS ITEM IS SPECIFIC TO THE TRACK TO SPECIFIC USE OF FOR THE RETIREMENT HOUSING. AND THE CITY IS RECOGNIZING THAT AS MULTI FAMILY, I GUESS I'M ASSUMING FROM THE UTILITY DEMAND STANDPOINT, SINCE HE WOULD HAVE PERSONS LIVING UM. AND REQUIRING , YOU KNOW, WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES. THESE UNITS UM AND AS FAR AS HOW THIS TRACK COULD BE DEVELOPED. YOU KNOW, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOU KNOW THE MARKET AND WHAT IT CAN SUPPORT FOR THE IDEA WOULD BE LUXURY AGE RESTRICTED RESIDENCES IN HERE ON A COMMON LOT THAT WOULD COULD EITHER BE SET UP AS A CONDOMINIUM OR LEASING FOR THESE LUXURY RESIDENCES. UM I WOULD THINK IT WOULD FALL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 UNITS EIGHT AN ACRE BASED ON THE GEOMETRY OF THE TRACKS. IT'S VERY SKINNY, UM SO THERE'LL BE SOME LOSS EFFICIENCY THERE, IF LAYING IT OUT, AS SORT OF A TOWN, HOME OR DETACHED LUXURY RESIDENTS PRODUCT WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN MY OWN YARD BECAUSE IT'S SET UP IN A COMMON AREA FOR EACH WAY TO MAINTAIN THE IDEA WOULD BE CHANGING MY LIFESTYLE BUT STILL ABLE TO LIVE IN DETACHED, LUXURIOUS PRODUCT WOULD BE ONE WAY OF APPROACHING THE SITE FOR RETIREMENT, HOUSING AND THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF THIS COUNTRY IS SHIFTING TO BE VERY HEAVY AND 55 PERSONS AND OLDER AND I THINK WE'LL SEE DEMAND FOR THIS USE BE MUCH MORE PREVALENT IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S WHY WE THINK IT'S A VALUABLE FOR THE TOWN OF PROSPER. THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AT , UH, DID ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON I DON'T NUMBER FOUR. I GUESS NOT. SO WE ARE IN A PUBLIC HEARING, AND I KNOW WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING. DID ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK TO ADAM NUMBER FOUR THIS EVENING? AND I ASK WHOEVER DOES COME FORWARD. JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MY NAME IS DAVID HUBER LIVE AT 23 17 COMMENTS WAY IN PROSPER. UM DAVID, COULD I ASK YOU TO BRING UP THE CHURCH THAT YOU HAD? SPECIFICALLY I THINK IT WAS PAGE 13 IN THE DETAILED PACKAGE. BECAUSE I WANT TO BRING THE MR

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YEAH, OKAY. I DON'T HAVE A CLICKER, BUT YOU CAN USE YOUR MOUTH TO KIND OF WELL, ACTUALLY THE OTHER HERE, THIS ONE MAKES IT VERY CLEAR WHERE THE ROAD IS GOING OVER THE TOP OF THE BAR.

OH, THAT ONE. RIGHT? SO THE POND I'M REFERRING TO IS THIS AREA HERE THAT I'M TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT WITH THE POINTER? SO AS YOU CAN SEE, AND THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED CLEARING ALL THE TREELINE. THEY'VE STARTED BULLDOZING DIRT INTO THE POND. THEY'VE BULLDOZED A PATH ALONG THIS VERY SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE POND, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF MY LOT. SO I'VE WATCHED THIS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. THERE'S A BEAVER DEN RIGHT HERE. THAT THEY CAME PRECARIOUSLY CLOSE TO COMPLETELY DESTROYING. WITH THE BULLDOZER. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A ROAD THAT'S PLANNED TO GO RIGHT OVER THE TOP. OF THAT POND. LEAVES ME TO SPECULATE. NO OTHER LOGICAL ANSWER. THEN THEY ARE GOING TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE AND DRAIN OR FILL THIS EXISTING POND THAT HAS A HOME TO A LOT OF WILDLIFE. THEN ALSO ALONG THIS. THIS IS I AM ASSUMING THE DATA LINE THAT OUTLINES THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. AND THEN DOWN HERE, THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAINS, SO I'VE WALKED THROUGH THIS WHOLE AREA. MULTIPLE TIMES TO SEE WHICH TREES ARE TAGGED AND WHICH ONES ARE NOT. SO THAT'S WHERE I CAME UP WITH MY QUESTION OF WHAT ARE THEY PLANNING TO DO WITH THIS AREA? AS FAR AS CLEARING IT? I KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL TO BUILD ANYTHING ON IT. BECAUSE IT'S ON AND YOUR FLOODPLAIN AS YOU CAN SEE IN WINDSONG BECAUSE AN APPLE ALL OF THEIR AREAS OF THE 100 YEAR, FLOODPLAIN HAS BEEN VERY WELL PRESERVED, AND IT'S WHERE THEY HAVE PUT ALL OF THEIR WALKING AND BIKING PANTS. SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS, WAS THERE PLANNING TO BE ANY KIND OF WALKING BAREFOOT ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THIS? PLANNED. DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S A LACK OF INFORMATION. REALLY. THAT'S CAUSING A LOT OF CONCERN WITH AT LEAST I KNOW THE ARTESIA RESIDENTS, IF NOT SOME OF THE OTHER PRESIDENTS, POSSIBLY IN WINDSONG OVER HERE IF THEY'RE NOT YET AWARE OF IT, AND THAT ALSO IS WHERE I WAS ASKING WHAT TYPE OF WALL AND WHERE WOULD THAT WALL BE LOCATED? BECAUSE OF THE AREA THAT IS THE FLOODPLAIN. CLEARLY THE WALL CANNOT BE BUILT THERE. I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD POSSIBLY BE BUILT ALONG THIS PROPOSED ROADWAY STREET. SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THE THERE ARE APPARENTLY JUST IGNORING OR AT LEAST NOT PROVIDING ANY INFORMATION ON. APPRECIATE IT, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. CERTAINLY. ANYONE ELSE ON THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR THIS EVENING WITH ANY COMMENTS. ALRIGHT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR A DISCUSSION. QUESTIONS. MOTIONS. ON ADAM, NUMBER FOUR. MY ONLY THING TO AVERAGES REINFORCE WHAT COMMISSIONER PETRUS WAS SAYING I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER. ONE THING WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF THEM. I DON'T LIKE TO SEE WHEN DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN NEXT TO EXISTING IS TO MEET WITH THOSE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS, MR HUBERT, OR REPRESENTATIVE THAT CAN SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF, TOO. AT LEAST GET SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE COMING TO THE ROOM TOGETHER. I KNOW IN THE PAST THAT'S WORKED VERY WELL FOR US AND AGAIN. IT'S NOT WRITTEN ANYWHERE, BUT I KNOW THAT I LIKE TO SEE THAT AT LEAST AT LEAST SOME CONVERSATIONS TO HAPPEN. OBVIOUSLY MAYBE SOME MIDDLE GROUND ACCOMPLISHED NOT REQUIRED, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO REINFORCE, THE COMMISSIONER SAID. ER. WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UH, BASED ON LEGAL COUNSEL. WE REALLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS HERE, SO MOTION CONTINUED THE PUBLIC HEARING OR THE MOTION TO DENY THEM FOR REALLY KEY OPTIONS. WE CAN CONTINUE. WE CAN TABLE IT CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CORRECT IT'S A TABLE, IT WOULD MEAN THAT IT WOULD COME BACK TO LATER MEETING IF YOU WERE TO NOT DIDN'T IF YOU WERE TO DENY IT.

EXCUSE ME. IT WOULD THEN GO TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR FOR THEIR EITHER TO APPROVE IT OR DENY IT AGAIN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THERE IS NO CHANGE, THE LANEY'S PLAN COUNCIL COULD TECHNICALLY APPROVED IT, BUT IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE EXISTING LAND EAST PLAN. TABLES, A VALID

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PLEASE SPEAK UP. NOT SAYING IT'S RIGHT. WE MIGHT HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT A FUTURE DATE ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. OR I DON'T NUMBER FOUR COULD BE VOTED IN DENIAL TONIGHT. CORRECT. I MEAN, BECAUSE IT WE BASICALLY BECAUSE WE WHETHER WE MODIFIED THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OR NOT, WHICH WE TABLE THAT IF WE DENY THEN WE'RE STAYING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CURRENT VENUES PLAN TODAY. THAT IS AN OPTION, CORRECT. THANK YOU. SO. THAT WAS MY.

SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YOU CAN ASK THAT ONE. THE GREAT QUESTION , COMMISSIONER CARSON. SO IF KIND OF LIKE ITEM NUMBER FIVE IF WE WERE TO TABLE IT OR IF WE WERE TO DENY IT. WHAT IS THE WAITING PERIOD FOR THEM TO COME BACK BEFORE WITH ANOTHER OR WHAT IS THAT PROCESS TO POTENTIALLY REZONE AT THAT TIME ONCE IT WAS IN ACCORDANCE IF THAT WAS TO GET BACK. SO UM, IF YOU'RE AGAIN WE TABLED. REMEMBER FIVE. AND IF I REMEMBER FOUR WAS TABLED, UM I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU TABLE INTO THE MAY 16TH MEETING. UM MAYBE I'LL JUST CONFIRM THAT THAT'S THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY JUST BECAUSE MAY 2ND MEETING. TECHNICALLY, THE AGENDA IS DUE NEXT WEEK. AND SO THAT WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS ME WITH THE RESIDENTS. UM LOOK AT MAYBE THERE, UM, REQUEST AGAIN TO SEE IF THEY CAN MAYBE FIT WITH THE MEDIUM DENSITY AND DO ALL THOSE X Y AND Z THINGS BUT AGAIN, I WOULD JUST MAKE SURE IF YOU DO TABLE TO TABLE TWO MAY POTENTIALLY BE MAY 16TH MEETING JUST TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME AND AT THAT TIME, THEN YOU WOULD GET ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER FOUR AT THE SAINT EMILION. BUT WE CHANGED THE NUMBER. YES WE WERE. YES AGAIN. WE'RE GONNA GET THE NUMBER RIGHT AGAIN. SO LET ME ASK THAT QUESTION DIFFERENTLY IF WE DENIED IT TONIGHT. DOES IT BASICALLY RESTART THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN FOR THE LANDOWNER TO ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UM IF YOU DENY THE ZONING REQUEST TONIGHT, THEN IT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL WITH A ZONING RECOMMENDATION FROM PNG. BUT AGAIN, IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT ACTION . WE WANT THEM TO GO SORT OF TOGETHER. AT THE SAME TIME. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOLLOWS, BUT

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THEORETICALLY SAY WE SAID THE 16 TABLE THIS PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUING ON THE 16TH WITH THAT? WORK, OKAY? YEAH THAT THAT IS NO PROBLEM AGAIN FOR LIKE A LEGAL SENSE AGAIN. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO AS WELL. YOU WOULDN'T REQUIRE NOT REQUIRE ANY NOTICES TO THE MAY 16TH OBVIOUSLY TABLE AND DEFINITELY THEY CAN COME BACK IN A MONTH.

THEY CAN COME BACK IN TWO MONTHS, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO RE NOTICE IT AGAIN. AND I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF MY POINT IS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A CERTAIN DATE THAT WE KNOW THAT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE FEEL COMFORTABLE BRINGING BACK THE ITEMS FROM TONIGHT, THEN THAT'S WHY TABLING IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. BUT IF YOU IF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT THINK THAT THEY CAN COME BACK MAYBE NOT FOR THE NEXT SECOND MEETING, BUT FOR THE MAY 16TH ONE, AND WE HAVE A DATE THAT WE KNOW THAT WOULD WORK, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO IT. A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL I GUESS, MAY 16TH SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 16 MADE MEETING. WE HAVE A SECOND. THAT MOTION WAS COMMISSIONER BELIZE.

WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING ADAM NUMBER FOUR AND CONTINUED TO PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 16TH PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0 . UNANIMOUS THANK YOU APPRECIATE THE AFRICAN BEING HERE THIS EVENING AND THANK YOU HAVE A FEW THINGS TO FOLLOW UP ON AND WE'LL SEE YOU HERE IN A FEW WEEKS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE

[Items 6 & 7]

[8. Conduct a Public Hearing, and consider and act upon a request to amend 166± acres Planned Development-40 (PD-40) for Residential Use (Phases 7F and 7G) regarding 2 building materials, located on the northside of First Street and west of Windsong Parkway. (ZONE-23-0006)]

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ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, ADAM. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND UH, ASKED THE APPLICANT TO STEP FORWARD AND DISCUSS ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO ABOUT. CLAPPER BOARD. CONTINUE. GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN COMMISSION MEMBERS. DAVID BLOOM TELUS GROUP 1 30 PRESTON NORTH QUESTION. ROAD SUITE 1 30. THE REAL PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE MADE BY ZACH SCHNEIDER. HE'S PRESIDENT, UM, CEO OF TRADITION, HOMES. UM WHO HAS BUILT IN WINDSONG FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, PRIMARILY ON THE LOTS, TYPES C AND D IN PHASES THAT ARE UH, NOT FAR FROM PHASES. SEVEN F AND G. AND TRADITION HAS BEEN A STAR PERFORMER AND WINDSONG, THEIR ARCHITECTURE, THEIR DESIGN. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME PICTURES. ARE REALLY, REALLY GOOD, AND THEY ARE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE QUALITY THAT WINDSONG HAS SORT OF PROVEN UP OVER THE LAST, HOWEVER MANY YEARS IT'S BEEN EIGHT OR NINE YEARS. UM GRAND OPENINGS IN 2014. UM AND IT'S SUPER SIMPLE. UH THERE'S A POPULAR SORT OF FORM OF ARCHITECTURE, COUPLE FORMS ONES, MODERN FARMHOUSE, AND THERE'S SOME OFFSHOOTS OF THAT THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT EXISTS AND MR SCHNEIDER WILL HAVE PICTURES. UH, THAT ACTUALLY PROMOTE A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, WHICH IS CALLED FOR IN THE CAMP PLAN. AH THE PRICE RANGES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE HOMES BUILT IN SEVEN F AND SEVEN G, OR, LIKE 700,000 TO OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. IT'S NOT. THIS ISN'T LIKE, HEY, LET'S SAVE 20 BUCKS AND PUT SOME SIDING ON HER HOME . THIS IS REALLY MEANT FOR VARIETY. WE'VE PROVEN UP HOW IT LOOKS. IN THE PHASES THAT HAVE THE LOT TYPES C AND D AND THINK THAT IT'S COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE TOWN HAS APPROVED BEFORE, IN TERMS OF A PD AMENDMENT. AND WITH HOW WINDSONG GENERALLY HAS DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS. SO I'M GOING TO STOP THERE AND LET MR SCHNEIDER

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SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE THAT DRAWL. IT'S JUST SOUTH OF, UM SEVEN G. THAT'S WHERE WE WERE ON THE 80 SIXES. SO NOW WE'VE MOVED KIND OF NORTH. I WOULD ARGUE. WE HAVE TWO OF THE MOST PROMINENT AND WELL LOCATED LITTLE TENDERLOINS WITHIN WINDSONG RANCH, SO A LOT OF DISTINCTIVE BUYERS ARE COMING TO SEE US ON SEVEN ATHENS SEVEN G. WE'RE FORTUNATE TO BE THE ONLY BUILDER. UM A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU BUILD NEXT DOOR TO THE RIGHT BUILDING COMPETITOR. REALLY? YOUR ARCHITECTURAL DIVERSITY PLAYS OFF ONE ANOTHER. YOU MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE HOMES THAT ARE TRADITION AND A COUPLE HOMES THAT ARE SOMEBODY ELSE. WE'RE FORTUNATE TO BE THE ONLY BUILDER IN HERE, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE STALE. JUST BEING ASKED. SO WE'VE DESIGNED FIVE ELEVATIONS PER PLAN. A IS OUR TRANSITIONAL ELEVATIONS. WE'VE GOT A COTTAGE ELEVATION. THAT'S R B ELEVATION . SEE IS MORE OF OUR FRENCH EUROPEAN LOOK, THESE ARE MODERN WITH MORE, UM LOW PITCHED ROOFS AND MORE MODERN LOOK AND THEN R E ELEVATION, WHICH IS REALLY WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT OR MODERN FARMHOUSE ELEVATION, SO CITING IS A PROMINENT UM, MATERIAL WERE THERE WE COVER THE SEAMS WITH ONE BUYERS AND REALLY GIVE IT THAT MODERN FARMHOUSE. LOOK, I BELIEVE DAVID IN YOUR PACKETS. PUT SEVERAL PICTURES OF OUR ELEVATIONS. SO HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE THOSE SO YOU CAN VIEW REALLY ARE QUALITY IN WHAT WE'RE AFTER WITH THOSE MODERN FORMS, UM, PAGE 2 29 OF THE PACKET. SORRY I KNOW IT'S A BIG PACKET, BUT JUST SO YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG WITH SOME OF THE IMAGES PAGE 2 29. WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID WHAT I WANT TO ENCOURAGE ALL TO KEEP IN MIND. IS FACE THREE, THE PENINSULA. WE BUILT THESE MODERN FARMHOUSE ELEVATIONS. THERE WERE VERY POPULAR. UM SO WE'VE GOT CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE COME TO THAT MODEL. SEEN OUR PRODUCT. NOW THEY'RE COMING TO BUILD WITH US ON SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TYPES, AND THEY WANT THEM. QUITE FRANKLY, WE'VE BEEN OPEN IN PHASE OF SEVEN F AND SEVEN G. WE SAID YOU KNOW WHAT? HE DIDN'T ALLOW IT.

LET'S ROCK AND ROLL WITHOUT HIM. WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. WE SOLD 20 HOMES. THIS YEAR. SO WE CERTAINLY COULD SELL THROUGH THIS WITHOUT HIM, BUT WE BELIEVE AND I THINK THE MARKET IS REALLY CALLING FOR THOSE MODERN MODERN FARMHOUSE ELEVATION, SO WE THINK SOME ARCHITECTURAL DIVERSITY WILL COME BY PUTTING THESE IN, BUT CERTAINLY WE BELIEVE NOT TO SOUND TOO COCKY, BUT WE BELIEVE WE COULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE TOWN OF PROSPER AND IN ONE SONG RANGE. WITHOUT HIM. WE JUST FELT LIKE THE ARCHITECTURAL DIVERSITY WE'RE GONNA SEE AS A COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE IN MORE ENHANCED WITH THESE ELEVATIONS. SO THAT'LL STOP AND OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS. EXCUSE ME. I WAS REALLY EXCITED. ASK THAT QUESTION, MR SNYDER. PRICE PUT ON THESE. I SEE YOUR AVERAGE IS 1.1 IN ONE SONG. WHAT IS THE PRICE POINT ON THESE RIGHT AT 900,000? RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE SEVERAL LOTS. AS YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE PERIMETER. I'LL CALL HIM MORE PREMIUM LOTS TRANSACTED WELL NORTH OF A MILLION DOLLARS, BUT AVERAGE PRICE POINT WHEN YOU TAKE IN ACCOUNT, THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR IS PROBABLY 99 50. OKAY, THANK YOU. SOMEONE ASKED THE BUILDER QUESTION. I LIKE THE WAY THESE PICTURES LOOK AND I'M SUPPORTIVE HERE THIS EVENING, BUT AS FAR AS THE DURABILITY OF THIS PRODUCT AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS KIND OF THE TREND NOW, RIGHT? THIS FARMHOUSE

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ALRIGHT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ZACH THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU APPRECIAT THE PRESENTATION . THANKS THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING OUT. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO ADAM NUMBER EIGHT THIS EVENING. ALRIGHT I'LL TAKE THAT AS A NO. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ADAM, NUMBER EIGHT. TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. AND OR EMOTION. MY THOUGHTS ON THIS IS I THINK THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND IT'S A GOOD PRODUCT. I MEAN, GOOD PLAN WELL THOUGHT OUT AND SO MY TWO CENTS. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

I WAS GOING TO JUST ABOUT TO SAY THE SAME THING. SO THANKS TO MAKE A MOTION I WOULD IF YOU OH, GO AHEAD. MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ADAM NUMBER EIGHT FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON. WE HAVE A 2ND 2ND 2ND FROM COMMISSIONER VAN WOLF ON ADAM NUMBER EIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ADAM. NUMBER EIGHT. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. HOW YOU LIKE THAT. I WANT ONE OF THOSE TWO OR TWO. YEAH ALRIGHT. ITEM

[9. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.]

IF YOU WANT. UM WE DID WASTE SOME GOOD THAT WASTE BUT PROVIDED SOME THINK WE TOOK THE WHOLE PRINTER. UM, THIS WHOLE AFTERNOON, THREE OR TWO, AND THAT'S YEAH. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I OPENED. THAT UP WAS 239 TOTAL PAGES AND AGAIN THE REASON WHY THE REASON WHY WE'RE PROVIDING ALL THAT IS AGAIN IS TO GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON EVERYTHING SO JUST JUST HEADS UP, HEADS UP AND I PROBABLY IT'S GONNA EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE. JUST SO THAT WAY YOU'LL HAVE EVERYTHING, UM, LISTED IN THERE BUT AGAIN, IF MORE THAN WELCOME YOU KNOW TO COME BY. WE CAN WALK THROUGH THE

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ALRIGHT QUESTION FOR OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. THAT'S THAT'S BEEN PHENOMENAL.

IS IT? OKAY IT IS OKAY TO ME WITH THESE GUYS. ONE ON ONE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT? YES SO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AS PROHIBITS DELIBERATING WITHOUT A QUORUM. AND SO IF YOU ARE MEANING ONE ON ONE THAT IS NOT DELIBERATING. AND SO, HOWEVER, ANY OF YOU GUYS WERE TO MEET AND TO DISCUSS THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY US START KIND OF GETTING INTO SOME TROUBLES THERE. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE STRICT ANSWER, BUT HE ALSO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT VIOLATING THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW, WHICH AGAIN IS THAT? ALL DELIBERATIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AT A PUBLIC MEETING AND SO BUT NO ONE ON ONE MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPERS GENERALLY WOULD NOT BE IN VIOLATION OF THAT.

WHAT IF IT'S TWO ON ONE? WELL TWO ON ONE, BUT AGAIN IF YOU ARE A VALID QUESTION, YES, SO AGAIN , USUALLY IT'S THREE OR MORE, BUT IT CAN IF YOU TWO ARE DELIBERATING ON THAT AND DISCUSSING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE OR MAKING OTHER TYPE OF DECISIONS LIKE THAT, THEN THAT AGAIN MIGHT BE VIOLATING THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW. JUST LISTENING. WE'RE FINE. WHAT WAS THAT FOR? THE TWO OF US WERE JUST LISTENING TO THEM. REPRESENT WHERE? FIVE YEAH. YES YES TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, AND SO AGAIN, HE JUST WOULD CAUTION ABOUT HAVING TOO MANY PEOPLE DELIVERING ABOUT IT SO I CAN EVEN TONIGHT US DISCUSSING IT. IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA AND SO I WOULDN'T WANT US TO GO TOO MUCH FURTHER INTO DETAILS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE STARTING TO MAYBE DELIBERATED, SO I WOULD JUST CAUTION AGAINST FURTHER DISCUSSING THAT UNTIL AGAIN IS ON THE AGENDA. THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK AND DAVID. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS SNAPSHOT TOGETHER. KIND OF WRAPPING EVERYTHING UP. THIS IS VERY HELPFUL WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS CAN COME IN FRONT OF US IN THIS IS, UH, THIS BLADE OUT LIKE THIS IS REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I DO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF COMING BY PICKING UP A PACKET. UM SO ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S TIMES LIKE THIS, I WAS KIND OF LOST WHEN EVERYTHING SWITCHED AROUND BECAUSE I ALREADY HAD MY MIND MADE UP. SORRY BUT IT'S OKAY. BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO.

AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THIS. AND FIXING THE IPADS WOULD HELP FOR US. TO BE ABLE TO BLOW STUFF UP DEFINITELY WILL BE THE FORMAT THAT WE DO FOR OUR FOR EVERY P AND Z, SO YOU'LL KIND OF GET A RECAP AND THEN UM, PNC UPCOMING ITEMS FOR THAT. SO YEAH, TO DAVID'S POINT. I DO LIKE THIS.

IT WOULD HELP. ALSO JUST FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH AS YOU'RE SLOWLY BUILDING YOUR YOUR STAFF OUT. AND BY THE WAY, WELCOME TO THE FAMILY. WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU GUYS AND SEE YOU GUYS. IT WOULD. IT WOULD HELP AT LEAST ME TREMENDOUSLY. IF WE HAD SOME SORT OF ANALYSIS OR COVER LETTER SOMETHING BEYOND JUST THE AGENDA THAT WOULD CALL OUT SOME KEY ITEMS LIKE THIS, BECAUSE I'LL BE HONEST LOOKING AT A 239 PAGE PDF IS PRETTY DAUNTING JUST TO BE CANDID. UM WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE DECISION MAKING IS AND I FEEL CONFIDENT I CAN NAVIGATE IT PRETTY WELL NOW, BUT THE FIRST ONE I GOT THAT WAS OVER 100. I'M LIKE WHAT IN THE WORLD AND I WENT THROUGH IT ALL.

BUT I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S SOME WAY JUST TO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC STAFF CALL OUT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN EACH ONE. YOU RECOMMEND DENIAL OR APPROVAL. YOU KNOW, 3 TO 5 BULLET POINTS AS TO WHY AND JUST SOME SORT OF GUIDANCE, FURTHER GUIDANCE FOR US. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BENEFICIAL, YOU GUYS, BUT FOR ME, IT WOULD BE THE WAY IT WAS DONE IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAD THAT OLD APP FOR THE PDF THE TOWN STAFF HAD ON THE FRONT PAGE. THESE HYPERLINKS SO YOU WERE ABLE TO CLICK AND GO STRAIGHT TO WHATEVER THEY WERE TELLING YOU, WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL ONCE WE GOT THE NEW IPADS AND THAT WENT AWAY. THEN IT WENT TO. YEAH IF YOU IF YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. REALLY GOOD. IF WE CAN GET THAT, THAT APP BACK, SHE'S RAISING HER HEAD AND I DON'T REMEMBER. SO IT'S ALL THOSE IT'S ALL THOSE OLD IPADS, UM SHE EVELYN. SHE WAS UPSTAIRS THE OTHER DAY WHEN SHE GAVE A PACKAGE SEEN SEEN RENAMED IT CLICK ADOBE. YOU KNOW SOMETHING FOR ADOBE, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE CLICKED YOUR YOUR YOUR LEAGUE, YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE ATTACHMENTS IF YOU WERE ABLE TO OPEN IT INSIDE THAT PORTION OF ADOBE APP, AND THEN THEY HAD HYPERLINKS. YEAH PAGE AND HYPERLINKS. SO WE CHANGED OUR WAY THAT WE'VE DONE OUR AGENDA. AND THAT'S THROUGH MUNICH CODE. NOW THAT'S WHAT GOT RID OF AGAIN. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO NOTE COUNCIL. IT'S THE SAME THING AS COUNSEL SO WE SHOULD BE

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CAN WE HAVE BOTH? I THINK IT'S IN THE PDF, SO WE NEED THE ADOBE SO WE CAN OPEN UP AND READ IT.

OKAY? MAKE COMMENTS. HUH? OH, WE COULD TEST IT. UH NO, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO YEAH. OKAY? YEAH WELL, I EMAILED EMAIL TIM ON A SATURDAY NIGHT AND PROBABLY MIDNIGHT BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO READ THROUGH IT. SO WELCOME TO THE CUP. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

YEAH, BUSY. OKAY? YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF. AND WE HAVE YOURS. YEAH BUT WITH THE WHOLE LISTENING, WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE THAT. AND I BELIEVE AND. WELL IF WE GET THE NEW PROGRAM, WE PROBABLY NEED TO WAIT AND DO IT ON ALL OF THEM. GET EVERYTHING NEW. OKAY. MUST BE MAD. YEAH, I AM. OKAY. ANY OTHER. UM. NO. SO I THOUGHT WE COULDN'T. WE COULDN'T GET THE EMAIL ON THEM BEFORE BECAUSE THEY WERE APPLE WITH THE TOWN. IF YOU CAN PUT IT ON THAT WOULD BE I THINK HAVING COUNTY EMAIL HELPS. YEAH. YEAH. ME TOO. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

THANKS. THANKS DAVID. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS THIS EVENING FOR A KIND OF HAVE 30 MINUTES OF CLOSING COMMENTS HERE NOW, SERIOUSLY, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE GOT A FEW PEOPLE.

WELCOME TO THE TEAM. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I SAW ALL THESE DIFFERENT NAMES AND EMAILS COMING OVER THE LAST WEEK AND MY FOLKS, BUT WELCOME AND APPRECIATE ALL Y'ALL DO. AND DAVID, THANKS FOR KEEPING EVERYBODY KEEPING US LINED OUT. JOSH WELCOME. APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW AS A THIS YOUR FIRST MEETING SO YOU'LL PROBABLY GET THE, UH YOU'LL GET THE COMPLEMENTARY MOTION TO CLOSE THIS OUT THIS EVENING AND ADJOURNED HERE IN A LITTLE BIT OTHER THAN THAT, IS EVERYBODY LINED UP TO BE HERE ON MAY THE SECOND. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY CONFLICTS JUST FOR THE RECORD? THERE'S A HIGH PROBABILITY I WILL NOT BE HERE MAY THE SECOND DUE TO SOME CONFLICTS SO DAMON WILL BE LEADING THE CHARGE THAT THAT EVENING. THAT IS, DON'T LEAVE ME. I'LL BE THERE. SO ANYWAY, REGRET THAT IF I CAN MAKE IT PART OF ME, I'LL TRY TO, BUT I'VE GOT ANOTHER CONFLICT THAT EVENING. SO WITH THAT, I DON'T REMEMBER. 10 IS A WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN FROM COMMISSIONER CARSON. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? 2ND 2ND FROM COMMISSIONER VAN WOLF TO ADJOURN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF A JOURNEY. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION TO ADJOURN HAS APPROVED 6 TO 0.

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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.