Apr 04, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission

[1. Call to Order / Roll Call.]

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GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE TUESDAY APRIL 4TH 2023 PROSPER PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION. THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER AT SIX P.M. ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT EXCLUDING CHAIRMAN BRANDON DOUGLASS, BRENDON DANIELS AND COMMISSIONER TOMMY VAN WOLF.

ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION THAT WAS THE WORST ADDRESSED, THE COMMISSION MUST COMPLETE THE PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM LOCATED IN THE TOWN WEBSITE. IF YOU ATTENDED THE MEETING IN PERSON, PLEASE SUBMIT THIS FORM TO THE BOARD CHAIR. OR STAFF MEMBER PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

WHEN CALLED UPON, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

I'M NUMBER TWO. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.

[CONSENT AGENDA:]

FROM THE MARCH 21ST 2023 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. THERE'S ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CONTENT AGENDA. AND IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. ALL MOTION. THE SECOND. THAT SECOND. WE GOT EMOTION FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PEREZ. WHAT'S THAT ALL IN FAVOR? APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. MOTION APPROVED. AFTER BANGING THIS, TOO. SO THE MOTION APPROVED 4 TO 0. CITIZEN COMMENTS. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC. HOWEVER THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. THAT THERE ARE NO COMMENTS. WE CAN MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS?

[4. Consider and act upon a Preliminary Site Plan for a Retail and Hotel Development, Lots 11 & 12 of Block A Gates of Prosper on 4.5± acres, located on the south side of Lovers Lane, east of Coleman Street. The property is zoned Planned Development67 (PD-67). D22-0103.]

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT SUCH USES ARE ALSO INTENDED TO BE WALKABLE AND PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER SECTIONS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. SECOND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED JUSTIFICATION ON THEIR REQUEST, UM, TO ALTER THE PARKING RATIO.

PER THE APPLICANTS PARKING STUDY. THEY HAVE CONCLUDED THAT AT PEAK HOURS, THEY WOULD BE EXCEEDING THE PARKING DEMAND DEMONSTRATED BY THEIR STUDY. AND THIRD. THE PLANNING AND ZONING

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WHICH HAD A 20% PARKING REDUCTION. THIS PROPOSED HOTEL IS SHOWN ME 23% REDUCTION SO NOT TOO FAR OFF. UM. AND YES, SO IT WOULDN'T BE TOO FAR OF A STRETCH . WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SO CONSIDERING ALL THESE FACTORS , STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.

AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHANNEL SOUTH. HMM. I DO. UM SO. AND I WAS TRYING TO RUN THROUGH TO SEE IF THEY ANSWERED THE QUESTION AND THE AND THE DOCUMENTATION. BUT WHY DID YOU ARE THEY UNABLE TO PUT IN THE ADDITIONAL WOULD IT BE 2030 PARKING SPOTS? IS IT? UH FINANCING ISSUE. IS IT A SPACE? THEY DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR IT ? I THINK IT'S JUST THAT THE SPACE LAYOUT THE WAY THE WAY IT'S ORIENTED. THEY DO HAVE THEIR SHOWING A RETAIL USE JUST NORTH OF THAT. AND SO THAT THEIR RETAIL USES, UM SHOWING THE ADEQUATE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE HOTELS JUST NOT ABLE TO MEET THAT. JUST BASED ON THE LAYOUT, FROM MY KNOWLEDGE TO THE HOTEL IS PART OF A LARGER, MIXED USE FACILITY. WELL IT'S ALL IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA. I'LL GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE SIGNAL. YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT. ARE THEY ARE THEY BUILDING ADDITIONAL RETAIL? SO IT'S THE HOTEL AND THEN THEY'RE BUILDING RETAIL AND ALL THAT, OR IS THE RETAIL ALREADY THERE? NO. THERE THE RETAIL IS PART OF THIS PRELIMINARY SITE PLANTS, SO IT'LL BE. IT'LL BE JUST NORTH OF THAT HOTEL. OKAY SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO PUT IN THE 100. THEY DON'T HAVE A SPACE FOR 30 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS. UM . AND TUNNEL STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH 30 FEWER PARKING SPOTS. BECAUSE. THEY RAN A STUDY THAT SAID THAT THEY WILL NEVER NEED 119. FOR THE MOST PART, CORRECT. YEAH THEY'RE THEY'RE STUDIED FROM WHAT WE READ, PROVIDED THE ARE MENTIONED THAT THEY WOULD NEED ABOUT 89 PARKING SPACES AT THEIR PEAK HOURS, AND THAT'S FOR THE GUESTS ONLY RIGHT FOR THE GUESTS. ONLY THAT'S GREAT STAFF. PARKING PARKING SPOT THAT'S DEAD PARKING SPACES DESIGNATED FOR STAFF. AH! THAT I DON'T KNOW. UM, BECAUSE IF YOU GOT 89 GUESTS WHICH IS NOT CAPACITY, BUT THEN I WOULD THINK WHEN YOU GET AROUND CHRISTMAS OR ANY OTHER HOLIDAYS. THEY COULD EASILY BE CLOSE TO CAPACITY, POTENTIALLY. IF THERE'S AN EVENT IN TOWN. WE MIGHT GET SPILLOVER FROM OTHER AREAS AND MAYBE FILL THE CAPACITY. STAFF IS THERE. THAT PUSHES THAT NUMBER UP AND NOW YOU GOT A PARKING ISSUE. IF I MAY, SO WE DO HAVE SORRY. UM OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS SORT OF ALREADY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION OF STAFF. SO WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE ADDITIONAL STAFF REQUIREMENT RATIO. SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOUNG THAT WE SO AGAIN. THE TOWN OF PROSPER DOESN'T HAVE AN ADDITIONAL STAFF REQUIREMENT. WE JUST OUR PARKING LOT HAS OUR PARTNER REQUIREMENTS. SORT OF ALREADY TAKEN. STAFF I MEAN, I GET THAT OBVIOUSLY, IN THIS SITUATION, IT'S ONE FOR 91 PER ROOM. THERE'S 119 GUESTS. UM. 119 ROOMS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ANOTHER STAFF COMPONENT. UM AND SO IT IS. IT IS A GOOD POINT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE PARKING RATIO. MY ONLY AND THIS IS JUST THE TOWN STAFF IS THE APPLICANT HERE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO TELL YOU. WE CAN DEFER TO THEM. THEY ARE HERE, SO I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK. UM, BUT JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. WE'RE CUTTING IT CLOSE TO ALREADY 119 ROOMS. 89 PART 89 PARKING SPOTS FOR THOSE WHO WERE 30 SHORT ON THAT. IT'S GONNA BE. I MEAN, I WOULD ASSUME MANAGER PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING TO CLEAN THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WILL USE UP THOSE PARKING SPOTS AS WELL. SO WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING ON A RAZOR'S EDGE, IT'S TOUGH. YOU KNOW TO ADOLESCENTS OR THAT THAT'S THE PART THAT THAT'S THAT'S JUST ONE STICKING POINT FOR ME, BUT COMMISSION IS HEADED. I TAKE A LOOK AT FRONTIER PARK. I WAS ON THE PARKS AND RIGHT BOARD AND WE HAVE TOURNAMENT WITH TOURNAMENTS AT FRONTIER PARK A LOT, AND RIGHT NOW, THOSE TOURNAMENTS ARE STAYING IN FRISCO, ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE TOURNAMENTS. AND WHEN WE GET HOTELS HERE AND PROSPER, THEY'RE GONNA BE STAYING HERE AND PROSPER AND SO YOU KNOW AT THE HOTEL FILLS UP. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ONLY PARKING SPOTS OVER YOU AND TO PROSPER. BUT MY CONCERN I MEAN, IF WE REDUCE IT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARKING IN IN THE UM,

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THAT'S BEEN MADE BETWEEN THE TWO USES AT THIS POINT, SO WE THERE IS THAT FLEXIBILITY. IF THEY WERE ABLE TO REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WITH THE PARKING. ONE PARKING SPACE PER GUEST.

SEEMS REASONABLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY GUESTS ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW YOU BRING TO THE HOTEL FOR THE MOST PART. ONE PARKING SPACE PER BAD OR PER ROOM SEEMS REASONABLE. I COULDN'T IMAGINE. THE MATH BEHIND 0.74 SPACES PER GUEST. RIGHT I GUESS THE ASSUMPTION IS SOME PEOPLE MAY BE RENTING 23 ROOMS AND ONE DRIVER AND MAYBE THEIR KIDS ARE STAYING TO VISION ROOMS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIONALE NECESSARILY BUT IT SEEMS REASONABLE 30 FEWER THAN THAT, FOR OUR FOR US TO HAVE THAT AS OUR ORDINANCE. AND FOR THEM TO FOR THEIR STUDY TO COME IN 30. FEWER THEN THAT THAT'S A PRETTY DECENT SIZE DISCREPANCY. I'M JUST CURIOUS OF WHAT WENT INTO THE MATH. SO THAT'S JUST I DON'T WANT TO STAY TOO LONG ON THE PARKING SPACES. I THINK WE'LL HAVE WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE INTO THAT YET. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, DOING GOING DOWN THE ROAD AND DOING AN EVENT CENTER CONCERT VENUE. THEY PUT 2.5 PARKING SPOTS, SO I MEAN, YOU GOTTA FIGURE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE 119 INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE WITH 119 CARS AT ONE TIME. AND I WOULD BE ONE ABOUT THAT. THAT'S PROBABLY A ONE AND A LONG SHOT CHANCE THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO SO AND THEY HAVE ALL THE RETAIL JUST NORTH OF IT, THAT THERE HAD ONE THAT THEY CAN USE THAT AS WELL AS ADJACENT TO IT. KAREN PATEL, TRIANGLE ENGINEERING 17 82 MCDERMOTT TRIBE CLEARING EVERYONE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, SO WE DID EXPLORE OPTION OF SHARED PARKING WITH, UH JUSTIN PARKING WITHIN THE SAME P D, AND, UH THE DEVELOPER AS WELL AS THE SALAD HAPPENED TO BE A SELLER ON THIS PROPERTY. I MEAN, THEY BASICALLY DIDN'T AGREE TO THAT PORTION OF THAT, UH, BUT BASED ON THE OBSERVATIONAL AND STUDIES BEFORE WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE DONE LAST FIVE YEARS, THE HOSPITAL HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY. THERE ARE LOT OF CUSTOM WAS COMING TO THE HOTEL. UH WE ARE OVER OR LEAPT OR ANY OF THEM TOOLS AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET. I MEAN, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IN A FREE SCHOOL THAT ARE ALMOST ABOUT 15 OR 17 HOTELS AND NONE OF THEM AND ANY GIVEN THEY ARE RUNNING 100% OCCUPIED. THE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY RATE IN THIS MARKET BASED ON THE CURRENT DEMAND, IT'S ABOUT 70 TO 85% AND THAT'S WHERE IT RUNS AND GIVEN THE CIRCUM GIVEN THE CONDITION. GIVEN THE MARKET CONDITIONS. BASICALLY THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HILTON AGREED TO HAVE A LAST, SPARKING THEM. NUMBER OF ROOM STAY UP. WE ARE PROPOSING ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HILTON WOULD NOT APPROVE THE LOCATION IT IF WE ARE DEFICIENT WITH THE PARKING THIS PRODUCT IS A HILTON PRODUCT. MOST OF THE CUSTOMERS ARE BUSINESS CUSTOMERS. IT'S AN EXTENDED STAY HOME. JUST READ IT AND THEN EXTENDED STAY PRODUCT.

SO PEOPLE COMING? THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO STAY THERE ONE DAY TO DAY, MAYBE THREE DAYS, MAYBE FULL BUT THEY'LL THEY'LL BE MOSTLY TO CONDUCTING THE BUSINESS ONCE IN A WHILE.

YOU WILL SEE THE OTHER GUESTS COMING TO THE HOTEL, BUT MAJORITY OF TIME. IT'S BASICALLY CATERING TOWARDS THE. BUSINESS FOLKS AND THAT THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON WHY HILTON AGREED TO ALLOW US TO HAVE 119 ROOMS WITH 92 PARKING SPACES. THEY WILL I HAVE. JUST A GOOD QUESTION, BECAUSE I KNOW WE KIND OF WENT OUT OF ORDER. DOES IT MATTER THAT WE WENT OUT OF ORDER AND THE APPLICANT SPOKE, WATERTOWN STAFF ARE STILL PRESENTING. WE WERE ASKING QUESTIONS. YEAH. UM SO I KNOW YOU SAID THAT HILTON AND YOU GUYS DONE I KNOW YOU SAID THAT HILTON, UM IS ALIGNED ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES BASED OFF OF THEIR ANALYSIS ON AND I'M GUESSING THIS ANALYSIS

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UM, I WOULD. I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD ALSO BE TAKEN TO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. SURE BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE NUMBER OF ROOMS ALONG THE U. S 3 80 AS WELL AS 1 21 IN THE GMT CORRIDOR, SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING AS WELL. UNIVERSAL STUDIO IS HAVING THEIR OWN HOTEL DIDN'T RESORT WITHIN THE CAMPUS . SO AS THE PGA HAS THE ONLY HOTEL EVEN IF YOU GO SOUTH OF THAT, AND FREE SCHOOL STAGE, AND FRISCO STATION HAS THE RESIDENTS SCENE AND CANOPY, BOTH OF THOSE HOTELS AND RIGHT NEXT TO THAT THERE IS AN OMNI HOTEL WOMAN. THIS IS BASED ON B. E. N T.

WRIGHT BY THE COWBOYS FACILITY ANY GIVEN DAY YOU TAKE YOU, YOU LOOK AT IT ON PRICELINE OR ANY OTHER APPS. THE ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE. WIDELY EVEN THERE'S AN EVENT GOING ON. IF THERE IS NO EVENT GOING ON ROOMS ARE REALLY BUT WIDELY BECAUSE I THINK I THINK WHAT WHAT? WE HAVE SEEN THAT THE CUSTOMER RATIO IS ABOUT 75 TO 85 85 ROOMS. 10 YEARS DOWN. 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. WE DON'T NO, ACTUALLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? BUT IN THE CURRENT GIVEN CONDITION, I THINK THERE ARE PLENTY OF ROOMS AVAILABLE, PLUS AH! YOU KNOW, WITH WITH THE SIGNIFICANT, UH, USE OFF THIS LATE AND OVER. BASICALLY THAT REALLY REQUIRES LESS AND LESS PARKING ON THIS KIND OF FACILITIES. I'LL TELL YOU THIS HILTON WILL OR HILTON OR MARRIOTT PROPERTY. HE WILL THEY WILL NEVER APPROVE THOSE TWO PROPERTIES IF THEY I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE LAST NUMBER OF PARKING OR WHATEVER THE AMENITIES THAT ARE CONSIDERING BECAUSE THE END OF THE DAY IT'S THEIR BRAND. AND THEY HAVE TO BASICALLY THE OTHER . THEY'RE THE ONES WILL GET THE FIRST CALL AS A COMPLAINT FROM THE CUSTOMER. THIS FACILITY WILL NOT HAVE A PARKING OR IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY PARKING LOT. IT I MEAN THEY PARKING ISSUE, AND THE BAD REVIEW GOES ON TO THE DIFFERENT WEAR PLATFORM, AND IT CREATES NEGATIVE IMPACT FOR THEM. SO GENERALLY, THAT'S THAT'S HILTON DOES THE SIGNIFICANT STUDY THEMSELVES BEFORE THEY APPROVE ANY ANY OF THESE TYPE OF FACILITY? WELL, SO COUPLE OF COINS. UM. 6 TO 7 YEARS AGO IF YOU WOULD HAVE BEST HOTEL ROOMS WE NEEDED AND WOULD TITLE. YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE COMING TO THE AREA? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN IT IS TODAY, AND IT'S GOING TO BE VASTLY DIFFERENT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW OR THREE OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW. SO THAT THE, UM NEED AN ABILITY WITH THE NEED FOR HOTEL ROOMS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO RISE. THE AVAILABILITY OF THESE HOTEL ROOMS AND EVEN ALL THE ONES THAT YOU'VE NAMED, YOU WILL FIND WILL DECREASE OVER TIME BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE MOVING TO THIS AREA. THIS AREA HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CAPACITY THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN REACHED. SALON IS RIGHT UP THERE, AND THEY CAN TAKE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT IN SALINA SO I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT THE AVAILABILITY OF A LOT OF THESE HOTEL ROOMS THAT YOUR NAME, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOME OF THESE EVENTS HAVE MOVED FULLY INTO THIS AREA. I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT CHANGE. UM, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ONE. IS THERE. A TOWN STAFF MENTIONED EARLIER? THE REASON THAT YOU COULDN'T ACCOMMODATE 30 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES WAS BECAUSE OF, UH, SPACE YOU JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE SPACE IS THAT IS THAT THE ONLY REASON OR IS THERE A COST COMPONENT WHERE YOU DON'T SEE THE NEED AND PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL 30 SPOTS AND BECAUSE YOU YOU CAN YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GET IT DONE AT 89. NO WE LOOKED AT IT UPSIDE DOWN THIS PROJECT WE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AS MANY YEARS PARKING SPACES AS WE CAN AND TRY TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT. WE HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS WITH THE SELLER WHO HAPPENED TO WIN THE CENTER WITHIN THE SAME PERIOD. UH, OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. IF YOU LOOK AT IT ALONG THE WEST SIDE DAYS AS UH, SOUTH COLEMAN STREET , WE ARE LOSING ABOUT CLOSE TO 75 FT SPACE OVER THERE, WE COULD HAVE EASILY ACCOMMODATED ALMOST ABOUT ANOTHER 10 OR 15 PARKING SPACES ALONG THAT BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENTS WITHIN THE REGION, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO ADD THE PARKING SPACES OVER THERE. OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PROBABLY 10% OF YOU HAVE I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE ALMOST ABOUT CLOSE TO FRANNY, PLUS PERCENTAGE OF BY ADDING A PARKING ALONG THE EASTERN DRYWALL, THE FILE AND ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE, WE CAN EASILY ADD I WOULD SAY GOOD 15

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THEY'RE NOT MANY HOTELS ALONG CREATIVE, BUT THE NEXT 23 YEARS. BECAUSE OF ALL THESE GROWTH, IT'S GONNA COME REALLY OURSELVES TRYING TO DEVELOP YOUR PROPERTIES IN SALINA BECAUSE THERE IS A NEED FOR IT. AS THE TOWN IS GROWING, THERE IS A NEED FOR IT. AND SAME REASON WHY WE PROPOSE THIS HOTEL HERE. IS THERE? IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF CLOSING THAT GAP? 30 SPOTS. I MEAN, I CAN REMOVE THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS AND I CAN ADD THE PARKING SPACE. BUT THEN I'LL BE DEFICIENT WITH THE LANDSCAPING. SO YOU KNOW, THERE IS EVERY SCARING ON THIS SIDE. I HAVE UTILIZED TO PUT A PARKING SPACE. I THINK IT DID AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WANT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HOTEL AND THE SHOPPING CENTER. WORK WELL TOGETHER. SURE. WITH IT BEING EXTENDED STAY. THOSE CARS ARE GOING TO BE THERE FOR AN EXTENDED TIME PERIOD. SO IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE PARKING IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOR AN EXTENDED TIME PERIOD. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO INTERRUPT. THAT THE SHOPPING CENTER IN THE EXPERIENCE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER I THINK THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. YES, SIR. SO TO CLARIFY THAT. HILTON HOMEWORKS WAY. I'M SORRY. HOME. TWO SUITES EXTENDED STAY PROPERTIES GATHERING AGAIN . BUSINESS FOLKS, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THERE FOR THE WORK PURPOSE SO THEY WILL GET UP IN THE MORNING. GET READY AND LEAVE AND COME BACK IN THE EVENING. STAY OVERNIGHT AND DO THE SAME THING UNTIL THEY LEAVE THE PROPERTY. USUALLY SPEAKING, YES , THERE ARE CARS. YOU SEE THE TEXT AND IT STAYED, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, LOWER END PROPERTIES BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE THE WEEKLY AND MONTHLY PEOPLE LIVING OVER THERE IN EXTENDED STAY, UH, THIS PROPERTY THEY CANNOT EVEN AFFORD HAVING THE WEAKLING CUSTOMERS SO THEY WILL GO BANKRUPT. BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY HAVE THE BOARD INTO THIS PROPERTY. THEY CAN'T AFFORD THAT. YES, THAT'S STATED, MAYBE SO. MAN STAFF. WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APERTURE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT, I GUESS. WE JUST GO AROUND DAVID. WELL, WE'RE DONE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S FINE. UM SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ASK

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[5. Conduct a public hearing, and consider and act upon a request to rezone 34.7± acres from Commercial District (C) to a new Planned Development for Mixed Use, located northside of Prosper Trail and west of Dallas Parkway. (Z22-0019)]

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AGAIN. THIS IS TO ENSURE THAT IT IS SOME SORT OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. UM ANOTHER THING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD LOOKED AT WITH TO MAKE SURE THAT APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE NOT ALONG THE TOTAL. UM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADEQUATELY PLACED IN THE MIDDLE. SO THERE WAS A SETBACK. 250 FT FROM THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY. UM IT LOOKED AT AGAIN. WE EVALUATED THE CONFORMANCE TO THE DALLAS NORTH KOREA DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND UM , THEY LOOKED AT ALSO THE PROPOSAL OF REQUIRING A MINIMUM OF 50% OF ALL BUILDING STRUCTURES WITHIN THE HIGHWAY SUBDISTRICT. HAVE YOU CONSTRUCTED A MINIMUM TWO STORES ? SO UM, THAT WAS JUST SORT OF FOLLOW AND CONFORM WITH THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY DESIGN GUIDELINES. IF YOU'LL RECALL, IT DOES RECOMMEND A MINIMUM OF TWO STORIES. UM AND SO THEY LOOKED AT THAT. THE REASON WHY, WHEN I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE LATER THE APPLICANT CAN WAS 50% WAS BECAUSE, UM, IF YOU'LL RECALL THERE SOME BUILDINGS IN HERE THAT POTENTIALLY MAY NOT NEED TO GO TO STORIES HERE AND THEN KIND OF SOME RETAIL DEVELOPMENT HERE. HE WAS SORRY TO BE INTERRUPTED. YOU HAVE MORE OH, NO, I HAVE SOME MORE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALREADY UM, MICHAEL'S UP REPRESENTING DAVID . UM SO AGAIN, I'LL ADAPT IT. BUT THIS IS JUST ON RENDERINGS OF THAT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE. UM OPEN PLAZAS, CONNECTIVITY AND SET TWO LINES. AND SO I KIND OF WANTED TO SPEND SOME TIME ON THIS SLIDE HERE. UM SO REALLY THE CREATION OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW THAT THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE A ZONING ORDINANCE THAT TALKS ABOUT MIXED USE. AND SO THEY ESSENTIALLY HAD TO CREATE A MIXED USE A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND CREATE STANDARDS . AND SO THIS IS SORT OF SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT. UM I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF PDS OUT THERE THAT TALK ABOUT MIXED YEARS. UM P D 41, WHICH IS MATTHEW SOUTHWEST HAD SOME SORT OF COMPONENT LIKE THAT AS WELL.

UM, AND SO THESE ARE VERY, UM BEFORE MORE OF AN URBAN MORE OF A CONNECTIVITY, WALKABLE COMMUNITY. UM I PROVIDED A TABLE . UM, JUST SORT OF A COMPARISON BETWEEN OUR TYPICAL STANDARDS AND JUST NOTE THAT THESE ARE TYPICAL STANDARDS, AND I'M NOT QUICKLY GO THROUGH THEM. UM SO MAXIMUM PERMITTED DENSITY CHINA PROSPER ARE TYPICAL. MULTIFAMILY REQUIRES, UM 15 UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S OUR BASED ZONING DISTRICT. AND SO AGAIN, THAT REALLY WASN'T FOR AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT. THAT WAS FOR A, UM , SORT OF A SUBURBAN GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS. UM AND THEN OUR TOWN HOME DISTRICTS. WE DO REQUIRE 10 UNITS PER ACRE. AND THAT IS OUR MAXIMUM DENSITY. AND SO, UM, THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE ALLOWED 90 UNITS IF THEY FOLLOWED OUR TOWN AND PROSPER.

THEY ARE PROPOSING MAXIMUM BALANCE OF 835 UNITS. UM THERE IS CERTAIN PERCENTAGES THAT NEED TO FOLLOW. UM 625 UNITS WILL BE DEVELOPED AS APARTMENTS. AND THEN 210 UNITS FOR SELLING CONDOMINIUMS. THEY ALSO PROVIDED A MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE OF 60 UNITS FOR THE TOWN HOMES. INSTEAD OF THE 90 THAT WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR, UM, ARE TYPICAL IN TOWN HOME DISTRICT. UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE HEIGHT AGAIN. COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TYPICALLY REQUIRES TWO STORIES. UM THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY DESIGN GUIDELINES DID TALK ABOUT GOING UP TO 12 STORIES FOR OFFICES.

AND THEN WITHIN THE COM PLAN, AS WELL TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY GOING, UM AROUND THAT HEIGHT, OR EVEN EIGHT STORIES IN CERTAIN AREAS ALONG THE TOLLWAY. UM AGAIN, THEY PROVIDED 12 STORIES.

MAXIMUM UM, TOWN HOMES IS THREE STORIES AND COMMERCIALS, THREE STORIES, OR 45. FT. AGAIN WANTED TO BUILD THAT TRANSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT TO THE HIGHWAYS OF DISTRICT.

BUILDING MATERIALS. UM THEY'RE PROVIDING A, UM, SORT OF MATERIALS SUCH AS BRICK, NATURAL DEFENDER, STONE STUCCO AS ALL AS PRIMARY MATERIALS. UM THEY DID. UM AND ONE OF THE REVISIONS DID PUT IN THE, UM TOWN HOMES SHOULD BE AT LEAST 60% OF BRITAIN. MASONRY. HMM. PARKING

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POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS ADDING. APPROXIMATELY 835 UNITS , UM, TOWN IS TIME STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS WITH ALLOWING THIS MANY NUMBER OF UNITS AND INTENSITY. UM HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS ALONG THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY, WHERE EXPECTED, USES AND DENSITY WAS MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY IN THE COM PLAN, AND IN THE DALLAS DESIGN DISTRICT, WHERE THIS IS WHERE MOST INTENSE LAND USES AND OUR MOST INTENSE DENSITY IS GOING TO BE. UM AND SO THAT KIND OF LEADS ME INTO, UM, CAN'T PLAN DISCUSSION. AND SO WITHIN THE COMPLAINT, AS Y'ALL CALL RECALL, THIS IS WITHIN THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY DESIGN. THIS IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH COMPLAINT. AS FAR AS FOR THE LAND USE TYPES, I DID PROVIDE A SNIPPET OF JUST WHAT THE DOLLAR STORE WE DESIGNED DISTRIBUTORS OR 1000 STORY DISTRICT. UM. AGAIN AND JUST MENTIONED MAKES USE APARTMENTS WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE RESIDENTIAL USES. UM, STRUCTURES, PARKING SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED MORE INTENSE AREAS. UM. AND I WANTED TO ALSO LOOK INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE 2012. IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE'RE GOING UNDER AN AMENDMENT RIGHT CURRENTLY, UM AND TO LOOK AT SORT OF THE MARKET ANALYSIS AND TO LOOK AT MULTIPLE MATTER FAMILY BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS. I DON'T THINK I PROVIDED THIS LAST TIME. BUT WITHIN THE MOD WITHIN THE 2012 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT DOES ACTUALLY PROVIDE. GENERAL GUIDELINES FOR VERTICAL MIXED USE. UM THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT TO THE LEFT OF EXAMPLES OF WHAT VERTICAL MIXED USES. THEY LOOKED AT SHOPS OF LEGACY. WATERS CREEK AND ALLEN.

UM, AREAS IN DALLAS, UM, AND THEN EVEN PROVIDED SOME OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THOSE VERTICAL MIXED USES. SO AGAIN REDUCED SETBACKS BUILDING BRINGING THAT BUILDING FACADES CLOSER TO THE STREET TO CREATE A WALKABLE, MORE URBAN DENSE ENVIRONMENT. CENTRAL GATHERING SPACES OF FOCAL POINTS OF Y'ALL RECALL, UM YOU KNOW, CREATING PARKS, CREATING CONNECTIVITY GATHERING SPACES IN THE COMMUNITY, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED HAVING LARGER SIDEWALKS, UM AND JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH ARCHITECTURE, PARKING, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S PARKING BEHIND OR EVEN STRUCTURED PARKING UM AND CONNECTIVITY. THERE'S EVEN THINGS ABOUT, YOU KNOW CHARACTERISTICS OF MULTIPLE USES WITHIN THE AREA. UM AND AGAIN STRUCTURED PARKING COMES IN AND THEN CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS ALWAYS A BIG FUN TOPIC IS JUST HIGHER DENSITY. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THIS IS GONNA BE STRAIGHT FROM THE 2012. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM AS YOU'LL RECALL THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE APPROVED LAST YEAR. WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS OF FRONTIER PARKWAY, GATEWAY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE, RETAIL AND US. DEAR ETIENNE. I'M SORRY FOR CUTTING OFF THE US THROUGH 80 AREA. UM BUT AS YOU CAN TELL, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE FRONTIER PARKWAY, GATEWAY. UM,

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AND I THINK IF YOU'VE SEEN ENOUGH. YOU KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN ENOUGH AND WHAT THEY PRESENTED YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE TOWN? YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS.

THERE'S A CAPACITY ISSUE THERE WITH A PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSING NUMBER. YOU CAN STILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL. IN SPITE OF THAT REQUIREMENT THAT YOU DENY IT. THAT SOMEONE COULD CORRECT ME FROM WRONG. I THINK IF WE WERE TO GO WITH TOWN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND DENY IT I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM. WE WOULD END UP HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH TOWN STAFF WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH TOM STAFF. SO . I THINK IF YOU WANT IF YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THEN RECOMMEND APPROVAL. PERIOD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PACKAGE, THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION THE ENTIRE EVERYTHING AS IT'S WRITTEN NOT AS ITS CONCEPTUALLY PRESENTED AND YOU FEEL THAT IT

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TALKING ABOUT THE APARTMENTS. HMM. 50 50% OR THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM 30% AND A MAXIMUM OF 50.

AH TO THE THREE BETTER MUSIC BEDROOMS SO THAT I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF A THAT COULD BE MESSING AROUND WITH MY WHOLE DEAL IN THIS DEAL, AND THEN I'M AND I APPRECIATE THEM COMING BACK AND WORKING SO HARD WITH Y'ALL. I DON'T LIKE LOOKING AT SOMETHING SHINY OVER HERE AND THEN GETTING SOMETHING DOWN HERE, AND THAT'S WHAT I FELT LIKE IT WAS GOING ON THE FIRST TIME. OBVIOUSLY NOW THEY'VE THEY'VE WORKED HARD AND TRYING TO COMPLY WITH WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. I STILL HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE APARTMENTS BECAUSE OF WHAT STAFF HAS A PROBLEM WITH. I KNOW SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OUT OF HEART PROBLEM WITH UM, AND THEN THAT'S BEEN UP TO POTENTIALLY 2 TO 3 BEDROOMS OF BEING OR UP TO 50% OF 2 TO 3 TO BEING 2 TO 3 BEDROOMS. UM I MEAN, OTHER THAN THAT. I DO LIKE THE PRODUCT. I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK REALLY WELL, I JUST THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A STICKER FOR ME. ALSO TO ON SOME OF THESE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, I DIDN'T SEE ANY ISLANDS ONE OF THE THINGS AND THIS IS JUST A PERSONAL THING. LIKE AND I KNOW IT'S HAPPENED AT THE GATES, AND THEY'RE CHANGING IT TO SOME EXTENT, LIKE WHEN YOU PARK NEXT TO THE ISLAND, YOU STEPPED RIGHT INTO FIRE BEDS. AND THERE'S NO KIND OF BUFF AREA IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOME D G OR SOME TYPE OF YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT AND THAT'S MORE OF I THINK ON OUR SIDE THAN IT ISN'T ANYTHING BUT IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE BECAUSE THEN THERE WAS ONE ENDS UP HAPPENING OVER TIME. THOSE PLANTS GET TRAMPLED ON YOU WALK THROUGH. IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP. AND SO THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND REFER, WHICH I MEAN THAT THEY LANDSCAPE CLOSED BECAUSE THEY COME IN. AND BILL FOR YEAH, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING. I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THERE. BUT I LIKE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. I JUST I'M HUNG UP ON THE APARTMENT.

AND JUST TO LET EVERYONE ELSE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL. SO JUST WANTED TO JUST LET Y'ALL KNOW. BUT AGAIN. I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE, AND THEN I'LL PASS IT ON TO THE APPLICANT. COMMISSIONER HARRIS HAS ANOTHER ONE FOR YOU.

OKAY? YEAH. THE I SEE THE STRUCTURE PARKING. I'M TRYING TO I WAS TRYING TO PAGE TO TALK ABOUT STRUCTURE PARKING. DID WE TO BE SPECIFIED THAT IT THAT THE STRUCTURED PARKING YEAH. SO WE'RE THE PARKING GARAGES ARE WITHIN VIEWS OF PUBLIC STREETS, OPENINGS IN PARKING GARAGES, AND THAT EXCEEDS 55% OF THE FACADE AREA. SO IS THAT SORT OF THAT SORT OF, LIKE, KIND OF WHAT YOU SEE A LEGACY WEST. WHEN YOU DRIVE ALONG THE HALLWAY, THEY HAVE THE MHM SORT OF SCREEN MASS OR SOMETHING. YEAH, AND AGAIN. I I'VE WORKED ON A COUPLE OF STRUCTURED GARAGE PARKING IN FRISCO AND MCKINNEY. YOU CAN'T GET 100% I MEAN, SOMETIMES IT'S DIFFICULT FOR VENTILATION AND ALL THE CAR FUMES. YOU WANT SOME SORT OF ALLOWANCE ON YOU KNOW THE FUMES TO KIND OF ESCAPE. BUT AGAIN, YOU YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SCREENED AND THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE BUILDING. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE PERCENTAGE OF JUST IF YOU HAD TO GET OUT OF THE ONE THAT, UM LEGACY WAY, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ONES THERE. THERE'S UM, LEGACY WEST. I WAS

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WAIT CURRENTLY ZONE C COMMERCIAL PD DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE BY NATURE IS ABOUT 1200. ON YOUR FEET SQUARE. LOOKING AT 34 ACRES SHIPPED OVER WHERE. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DOWN.

DONALD NORTH DISTRICT HIGHLIGHTS. LIKE TO BRING UP. TOWN COUNCIL MAY PERMIT THE FAMILY HOUSING IS PART OF A HOLISTIC DEVELOPMENT. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? AND THEREFORE THAT IS THE CORE. GATEWAY SHOULD BE CLEARLY IDENTIFIABLE. IDENTIFIABLE, VEHICULAR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. SITE DESIGN DESIGNATE MAJOR ENTRYWAYS INTO DEVELOPMENT. I SUPPORT THE MATERIALS AND CONSTRUCTION OF STREETSCAPES AND BUILDING. PROVIDE A LEVEL OF DETAIL AND QUALITY, WHICH CREATES PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. MOMENT BITING. SO WE HAVE A BROAD PALETTE OF MATERIALS HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO CERTAINLY. GROUND. HIGHWAY SUBDISTRICT. COMES BACK TO PRETTY PROFIT. BEEN ACTIVE USES LIKE RETAIL CAFES, RESTAURANTS, ARROGANCE THAT HE

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CONTAINS A COMPATIBLE MIX OF RESIDENTIAL OFFICE AND IS WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER.

HER THAN SEPARATING MUSLIMS. SO WE ENSURE THAT BUILDINGS RELATE APPROPRIATELY THE SURROUNDING ENSURE SITE DESIGNED FOR MOST EFFICIENT PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR CIRCULATION. I'M SURE CREATION OF HIGH QUALITY STREET. IT'S LIKE ENVIRONMENT. SURE LARGE SITES DEVELOPING MANNER. THAT WE CRAFTED. ORDINANCE. BYE. SUBDISTRICT HERE. WITH SOME LIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL.

HIGHWAY SEPARATION RATES. YOU HAVE A CONDO BUILDINGS, TOO. IN THE TOWN SQUARE. CREAM CENTER ANCHORED BY THE HOTEL TO THE SOUTH. AND THEN OFFICE BUILDINGS LONG ENOUGH TOLLWAY, WHICH IS OUR HIGHEST BUILDINGS. NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. SINGLE STORY DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM.

THIS BOULEVARD SECTION HERE CONTAINS THREE DIFFERENT RETAIL PADS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT PICTURE YOU CAN SEE THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW. LOOKING DOWN AT THAT. BETWEEN THE OFFICE AND MULTI SHANDLING. WE HAVE THESE RETAIL OUTDOOR CAFES. WHERE PEOPLE CAN HANG OUT IN BETWEEN THE BUILDING USES. IMAGE DEPICTING WHAT OUR GROUND FLOOR USERS LOOK LIKE. EVERYTHING IN ORANGES, RETAIL. EVERYTHING IS PINK IS GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL. SOUND SQUARE AND GREEN. PHOTO. USE ALSO HAS A MIX OF RETAIL BUILT IN CONFERENCE CENTER AS WELL. BEYOND THE RETAIL DOWN THE BOULEVARD IN THE CENTER. AND IN OUR OFFICE BUILDING. OBVIOUSLY HAVE ENTRANCES. TO THEIR LOBBIES ALONG THE STREET BASE, BUT ALSO RETAIL TO COMPLEMENT THOSE ENTRANCES. UM, DECIDED. SO HERE'S THE SLIDE. I WANTED TO ONE THAT DID CHANGE. I WANTED TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE WHAT ARE YOUSE MIX LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT ARE FLORIDA RATIO? LOOKS LIKE WHAT? WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD TWO WHERE WE'VE BEEN WHERE WE'RE GOING. THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

TOTAL LAND ACREAGE IS 34 A FISH? WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET. SO WITH.

ONE 0.0 FLORIDA RATIO WE WOULD DEVELOP APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET. THE OFFICE IS CURRENTLY MAKING IT 20% 26% OF OUR MIX. RETAIL 9% HOSPITALITY 9. MULTI FAMILY 49.

AND SPECIFICALLY APARTMENTS AND CONDOS. 49% THE TOWN HOMES. 7% I DO HAVE SOME PEER REVIEW DATA HERE. ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ABOUT TWICE AS LARGE AS THIS ONE. AND I HAVE THOSE PERCENTAGE FIGURES IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. JUST FEEL FREE TO ASK ME. SO WE CAN GET COMPARISONS ON HOW THIS ONE MIGHT BE OPERATING TO HAVE BUILT. DEVELOPMENT. AT THE PERIOD. YOU WOULD UM. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE, LET'S LOOK AT THE MULTI FAMILY GETS 744,000 SQUARE FEET. SO FROM DAY ONE. AND I TOLD THE COMMISSION WE'VE ENDEAVORED TO BUILD ABOUT 50. MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. TWO.

PROVIDE THE USERS. THE AMBIANCE FOR THE RETAIL. TO ME FOR HOSPITALITY. OFFICE USERS PLACE TO IT. ETCETERA, SO. WE'VE SEEN CHANGING UNIT SIZES. THE EXHIBIT C. KIND OF ALWAYS HAD THAT 34 UNITS PER ACRE, BUT IT WASN'T BROKEN DOWN VERY DETAILED. SO WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO THINK THROUGH WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. HEY, BASED ON MARKETABILITY AND THE PEER REVIEW INFORMATION.

ABLE. TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE ECONOMIES NEVER CHANGE. WE DID SHIFT THE ONE IN HER STUDIO AND ONE BEDROOM. VERSUS TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS UNIT MIXES SO OUR UNITS GOT SMALLER. ACROSS THE BORDER. WHICH MEANS WE'VE GOT MORE UNITS WHERE FOOTAGE REMAIN THE SAME.

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POWER MEETING OR EXCEEDING THE PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. CURRENTLY.

REQUIREMENTS. 20. ACROSS THE BOARD. HIGHWAY SUBMISSION FOR SHOWING 25% AND NEIGHBORHOOD, SAID DISTRICT 27. HERE'S SOME STREETS SECTIONS OUTLINING HOW THE PEDESTRIAN INTERACTS WITH THE VEHICLE. MOVE TO THESE QUICKLY. THIS IS MORE REVIEW. THIS IS THE ALLEY SECTION FOR THE TOWN HOMES. TWO WAY TRAFFIC. HERE WE HAVE A 60 FT STREET LOT SECTION THIS WOULD BE PRIMARILY THE BODY OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE HAVE TWO WAY TRAFFIC. PARALLEL PARKING ON EITHER SIDE WITH PEDESTRIAN AND TREE. IN THE SIDEWALK WITH BUILDINGS. DIRECTIVE BUDDING MAPS. AND ABOUT 10 FT. I DON'T BE ON TOP. IN THE STREET SECTION. AND THE BOULEVARD SHOWING THEIR RETAIL BUILDING AND SCALE TO THE PEDESTRIAN AND TWO WAY TRAFFIC ON EITHER SIDE. WITH PARALLEL TRAFFIC OR PARALLEL PARKING. SOUNDS THAT. IN LAST. STREET SECTION, WHICH IS USER 88. WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL AND THEN THE WRITS OF DISTRICT. CHASING IMAGES.

PROJECTS ARE TEAM IS EITHER WORKED ON OR. VEHICLES HERE. JUST UNDERSTANDING OF BLOODY FUEL. MATERIAL MIX HERE IS IMPORTANT, SO I WANT EXHIBIT. A MIX OF MATERIALS. SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS MIGHT HAVE. TWO PRIMARY MATERIALS. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR PRIMARY MATERIALS, WE WANT TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE. BUT YOU CAN SEE. LOT OF STOREFRONT GLAZING AT THE GROUND FLOOR. BALCONIES. IN SUBSEQUENT FLOORS. LARGE OVERHANGS. BOTTOM LEFT. YOU WOULD SEE A STRAIGHT SECTION WHERE YOU HAVE CARS PARKED AS WE WOULD OUT ON THE STREETS. THREE TREES. BY WAY OF OFFICE. THAT WE HAVE TWO EXAMPLES AT THE TOP. I BELIEVE THE GRANT PARK HILTON.

HE WAS A MIX OF STONE AND STUCCO. I WOULD GRANT PARK OFFICE, WHICH IS CURTAIN WALL.

STONE CLADDING. I BELIEVE DOWN IN THE BOTTOM. WE C STREET. IMAGES OF HOW WE WOULD EXPECT TO ENLIGHTEN. IN THE TOWN CENTER. THE RETAIL SECTION. OBVIOUSLY HAVING PEOPLE LIVING THERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE TO THAT. OUTDOOR SEATING AND CREATIVE WAYS. WE KNOW

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ANOTHER VARIOUS. LOCAL PROJECTS WHERE WE SEE RUSSIAN LANDSCAPING AROUND THE TOWN SQUARE. LOT OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. AND BOTTOM CENTER IMAGE WILL RECEIVE. ACTIVATED TOWN SQUARE WITH A DAMP BUT SOMETIMES FARMERS MARKET. CONCERT. THAT'S PROBABLY THESE IMAGES. RATHER QUICKLY BUT LOOK AND FEEL. I'M SCHEDULED. SO HERE'S AN OUTLINE OF THINKING. YOU HAVE SOME FRIENDS TO TAKE CARE OF AS FAR AS UTILITIES. AND ACCESS ALONG THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY. WE DID SOME RESEARCH.

LOOKS LIKE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY FROM YES. 3 80 TO FARM. 28 SELENA. SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY 2027. SO THAT'S WHAT THE DNT IS SAYING. THAT'S A LONG STRETCH. DISTRACTION FROM OUR PROPERTY.

AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CONNECT TO THE CITY PROJECT WHERE THEY WILL BUILD SANITARY SEWER TO OUR NORTH. UNDER RED LINE SHOWS AN EXTENSION. BUT SHAWNEE TRAIL WHERE IT WOULD CONNECT TO THE NORTH. WE FIND THE SEWER CONNECTION IN THERE. I LOVE THAT. I THINK THE CITY AND OR THAT COORDINATION EFFORT WOULD HAPPEN BY 2023. AND THEN OUR THOUGHTS AROUND ON SITE INFRASTRUCTURE ONCE WE CAN GET THIS OR CONNECTION WE'LL START THERE. THE HORIZONTAL INFRASTRUCTURE WORK. SO THIS PROJECT OBVIOUSLY GENERATES A LOT OF TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

WERE VALUED AT 724. MCDOLE EAR'S . WHICH WOULD THROW OFF APPROXIMATELY 16.4 MILLION AN ANNUAL TAX REVENUE. SPLIT BETWEEN THE TOWN OF PROSPER PROSPEROUS D COLLIN COUNTY AND COLLIN COLLEGE. AT ALL THOSE FIGURES BROKEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF BULL. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. THE CITY ALSO EXERCISES THE SALES AND USE TAX OR SALES TAX. RATHER ALONG WITH THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. BASED ON 81.2 MILLION AND PROJECTED REVENUE FROM SALES TAX . WE EXPECT ABOUT 7.7 MILLION IN REVENUE. TO THE VARIOUS. TAXING ENTITIES. TEXAS SALES TAX, PROSPEROUS CITY TAX. PROSPER CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT. ACROSS THE FIRE CONTROL PREVENTION AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES DISTRICT PROSPER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IN THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY. HOTEL OCCUPANCY, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUILT YOU HAD THAT THERE ARE CURRENTLY PERMANENT. THAT TAX. BOOST TO TOURISM. PREVENTION AND HOTEL INDUSTRY AND THE SORT OF IT WAS ONE NIGHT. SO WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. HOW WE DEVIATE FROM THAT WITH RESPECT TO MULTI FAMILIES, HOWEVER, HOW WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE CREATING SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS PLANNED FOR IN THE DALLAS NORTH, TOTALLY GUIDELINES. WITH THAT COMES AN UNDERSTANDING OF FOR ACCEPTANCE OF ADDITIONAL MULTI FAMILY UNITS IN THE TOWN.

IT'S OUR ASK TONIGHT. IT'S TRUE. KEEP MOVING. HOPEFULLY WITH YOUR APPROVAL. SO WITH THAT, UM.

ABOUT CIVIL ENGINEERING ARCHITECT HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PROJECT.

APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, AND THE TIME YOU PUT INTO IT, UM I WOULD ASK THAT IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE GO AROUND AND START, ALL RIGHT. MR HARRIS.

THE REFLECTION. FOR YEAH, WE CAN. I REALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PROJECT. UM. I'M I'M STUCK, BUT I'M KIND OF LIKE COMMISSIONER PETTIS. I'M STUCK ON THE APARTMENTS. IF YOU LOOK

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GOTCHA. APPRECIATE IT. SO I'LL JUST SAY ONE. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION TO THANK YOU FOR THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT HAS BEEN GOING INTO THIS OVER. THE WEEKS TO MONTHS, BOTH THE TOWN STAFF AND TO YOU THANK YOU. ALSO FOR BEING, UM OPEN TO CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED. MAKING THIS UP AVAILABLE. TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IN BETWEEN THESE LAST TWO MEETINGS. MAKING SOME OF THOSE CHANGES. UM FIRST I'LL SAY I DON'T HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS. WE'VE GOT 3500 UNITS. WITHIN THE TOWN THAT HAD BEEN ENTITLED AND HAVE NOT EVEN BROKEN GROUND. WE'VE GOT AN OF THAT WE'VE GOT ALMOST 3000 UNITS. THAT HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN TOUCHED. MAY NOT BE TOUCHED. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH HOLDING EVERY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT HOSTAGE. UNTIL 3000 UNIT ENTITLEMENT. DECIDES FOUR OR FIVE YEARS DOWN THE LINE TO BREAK GROUND OR TO EVEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BREAKING GRAPHIC. AND HOLDING UP PROGRESS UNTIL THAT TIME. UM SO I DON'T HAVE THE SAME ISSUE. WHERE I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE UNIT IS THAT THERE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE RETAIL AND ALL OF THE OTHER PARTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE THERE TO SUPPORT IT. BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HELP MAKE IF WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON WHY THE TRIGGER CAME IN RIGHT, SO THAT THERE IS NOT JUST AN APARTMENT BUILDING STANDING ALONE AND NOTHING ELSE AND YOU KNOW? THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER MOVES ON AND WE NOW HAVE A LARGE AREA WITH JUST A STANDALONE APARTMENT BUILDING, RIGHT? UM. I THINK PART OF THE TRIGGER BEING THE PLACES ENSURING THAT AS MUCH OF THE OFFERING IS PROVIDED TO THE TOWN AS POSSIBLE. UM IN THE RIGHT SEQUENCE. AND MAKE A

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IT'S A 10 YEAR PROJECT 10 YEAR, PROBABLY. OKAY OKAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING COULD BE SO THIS IS A FORWARD LOOKING PLAN. THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE COMMITMENT FROM BOTH FROM THE DEVELOPER. UM THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN WE SAW WITH COVID. YOU KNOW, IT INTERRUPTED A LOT OF, UM AND INTERRUPTED A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING IS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG. BUT PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYTHING IS DONE AS IT SHOULD BE DONE, AND THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL TAX DOLLARS TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL BODIES IN THE TOWN. THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL, UM, AMENITIES TO SUPPORT SO THE WEIGHT ON THE TOWN AS IT CURRENTLY SITS, AS IT WOULD NOT BE NEARLY A SIGNIFICANT WITH ADDITIONAL PEOPLE. UM MORE MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL PEOPLE. SO I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND HOW SERIOUS WE ARE ABOUT. COMMITMENT TO FINISHING WHAT YOU STARTED, AND I THINK THAT'S YOU KNOW? THAT'S COME OUT IN A LOT OF WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SAID. IT'S PROBABLY COME OUT AND THE WORK THAT TOWN STAFF HAS BEEN DOING WITH YOU, AND IT CERTAINLY HAS COME OUT IN THE WAY THAT TOWN COUNCIL HAS HAS, UM, SORT OF REVIEWED THIS PRODUCT, SO. I THINK THAT'S IT. I DON'T. I MEAN , I THINK WE'VE ASKED A MILLION QUESTIONS OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS. COMMISSIONERS IF I IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO ASK. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. LEAVE LEAST WESTMAN PROPOSED IN TERMS OF EMOTION. IF WE GET TO THAT POINT WELL, THERE'S SOME PROPOSALS TONIGHT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TRIGGER I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TRIGGER. OKAY WITH YOUR LZ AFRICAN HAS CREATED A TRIGGER THAT REQUIRES 50% OF THE TOWN HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT WILL HAVE A CEO PRODUCT COMMENCING ANY WORD. FOR THE HIGHWAYS OF DISTRICT. I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THE DIAGRAM SHOWS 39 LOTS. TEXT SHOWS A MAXIMUM OF 60 TOWN HOMES. NEIGHBORHOODS.

SUBDISTRICT EXACTLY. GROW A 50% 50% OF TOWN HOMES. DID YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM NUMBER? WHEN DO YOU HIT? 50% AFTER YOU'VE BUILT I MEAN THE TRIGGER TO ME. IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND TOWN HOMES, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE TOWN HOMES ON A LOT. YEAH YOU SHOWED 39 LAST. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT TRIGGERS THAT IS IT. 50 INDIVIDUAL TOWN, 50% OF THE TOWN HOMES CONTEMPLATED 30 IS IT 30 TOWN HOMES BEING BUILT? IS IT 50% OF THE NUMBER OF TOWN HOME LOTS YOU HAD. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE WILL. PUT FORTH A PLAT PRELIMINARY PLATT FOR CITY APPROVAL AFTER THE JENNINGS COMPLETED AND THAT PLATEAU WILL SHOW A FEW SIMPLE TOWN HOME LOTS. SO EACH TOWN HOME SITS ON ITS OWN LOCK. SO EACH BUILDING IS PROBABLY BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX TOWN HOME UNITS AND THE LOTS. ONE BUILDING CONSIDERED OVER 4 TO 5 LOTS. SO ONCE THE PARLIAMENTARY PLATZ

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PRIOR TO STARTING THE MULTIPLE I MEAN, IN TERMS OF THE ZONING WILL COME FIRST BEFORE THE PLANTING, SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND. WHEN DO WE KNOW THAT? THAT 50% CEO IS IT? BECAUSE IF YOU SAY IT COULD BE 4 TO 6, AND IS IT IS IT I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S NOT A DEFINITE NUMBER IS A NUMBER OF LOTS THAT'S 50% OF THE LOTS HAVE A CEO. YEAH I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT ONE FOLLOWS THE OTHER WILL HAVE INDIVIDUAL LOTS FOR EACH TOWN HOME UNIT. SO AN EXAMPLE THAT WOULD BE WHERE YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL OWNER IN EACH TOWN HOME. AND YOU WOULD HAVE A SEPARATE WATER MIRROR LEADER. TRASH SERVICE FOR THAT ADDRESS. WITH THAT KIND OF SET UP. YOU COULD EITHER SAY UNITS WHERE YOU CAN SAY LOTS BECAUSE IT'S ANONYMOUS BECAUSE THE WAY THEY SIT ON TOP OF A LOT AMERICAN SEPARATE SO I'M JUST WRITING OUT. WHAT SO WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT'S 50. BECAUSE OF THAT. TEXT SHOWS.

MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 60 UNIT. 50% OF WHATEVER IS PLATT WOULD BE A WAY TO PAY FOR IT. BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO TO DESIGN THE LOTS BASED ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. SO IF YOU HAD A MAXIMUM OF 60 UNITS, FLATTED. THAT WHEN YOU GET A C O ON 30 TOWN HOMES THAT OPENS UP THE HIGHWAY DISTRICT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. I MEAN, SO AND THAT OPENS UP 835 MULTIFAMILY CONDOS OR APARTMENTS AT THAT POINT YEAH, AND THERE'S NO THERE'S NO TRIGGER WITH ANY SORT OF RETAIL OR NON RESIDENTIAL. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IT'S DIFFICULT ON THE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT A TRIGGER ON A DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU HAD THE RETAILER'S COMPONENT OF THE MULTI FAMILY BECAUSE IT'S ALL CONNECTED, AND ALL THE PARKING HAS TO HAPPEN AT ONCE.

SO I'M AGAIN. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT JUST FOR IF THERE'S A MOTION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE BUILD. 30 TOWN HOME. 835 MULTI FAMILY UNITS. WITH NO REQUIREMENT FOR ANY ANY RETAIL IT ALL. I DON'T THINK CORRECT. ONLY THE RETAIL THAT'S PROVIDED FOR IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH I THINK IS 50% NONRESIDENTIAL AND 30% OF THAT IS ESPECIALLY RETAIL TIMING COMPONENTS. OKAY? AND THEN I WANT TO YOU SAY THERE'S A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. FOR THE TOWN HOME COMPONENT IS A PROBLEM IN ASSOCIATION FOR THE ENTIRE WHO'S WHO'S IN WHO'S INCLUDED IN THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. THE ENTIRE PRADERA DEVELOPMENT VOTE, OKAY? AND THEN WITH. BUILDING MATERIALS. THE BUILDING MATERIALS, THE TEXT. FOR A POSTER SAYS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE. NEIGHBORHOOD.

NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDING THE BUILDING NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICTS MATERIALS ON PAGE 18. AND THEY AND THEY YOU AND HAD HAD A SIMILAR WARNING FOR THE HIGHWAY. SUBJECT FRONT PAGE NINE TO MAKE SURE ARE YOU COMMITTING? ON PAGE 18, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDING MATERIAL AVERAGE SUBDISTRICT DURING MATERIALS. UM . AND SO PART B AND THE HALFWAY THROUGH PAGE 18. IT SAYS MATERIALS SUCH AS AND IT'S NOT WALKING IN. I MEAN THAT TO ME.

THAT'S NOT A LOCKING IN THE BUILDING MATERIALS, JUST SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR PALETTE TO CHOOSE FROM. PARDON, BASICALLY MATERIAL PALETTE. FROM WHICH WE COULD CHOOSE. DO ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS, SO IF WE GET INTO THE POINT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU WOULD YOU WOULD LOCK IN CERTAIN BUILDING MATERIALS, AND I REALIZED THIS WAS OWNING ORDERS. WE CAN ENFORCE PUTTING MATERIALS IN HIS OWN, BUT BECAUSE THE MATERIAL SUCH AS TO ME DOESN'T LIMIT THAT JUST GIVES YOU OPTIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T EXCLUDE OTHER OPTIONS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SAY, TOWN HOME SHOPPING CONSTRUCTIVE NO LESS THAN 60. BRICK MASONRY. AND UM. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SO THAT MEANS. 40% CAN BE. I MEAN,

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ARE YOU AGREEABLE TO HAVING A KIND OF SPELLING THOSE OUT IN GREATER DETAIL? ABOUT WHAT? WHAT MATERIALS CAN IN CANADA. YEAH I THINK AS LONG AS IT'S IN KEEPING WITH KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TONIGHT, WE'RE HAPPY TO FURTHER TO FIND THOSE. OKAY WELL, I KNOW SOME FOLKS HAVE ISSUES WITH STUCCO AND HEARD. I DON'T KNOW I'M NOT TALKING TO ANYONE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT CONCERN EXPRESSED EARLIER. UM. I THINK THOSE ARE QUESTIONS I HAD ON JUST SOME OF THE WORDING THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED FOR FROM OCEAN OR OR FOR IT. IF THE COMMISSION CONSIDERS APPROVAL. IF YOU'VE GOT MORE CHRIS HARRIS. YOU CAN TURN IT OFF THE BUTTON. SORRY. I KNOW. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT I HIT THE BUTTON. I JUST WANT TO MAKE. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF POINTS I WANT TO MAKE INCLUDED, UM WITH OUR WITH WHATEVER OUR VOTE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE COOL POINTS OF THAT INCLUDED WITH THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT JUST THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I CONSIDERED AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WITH REGARDS TO IT TRIGGERS. I MEAN, IF HOW HOW WOULD WE DO A TRIGGER AS FAR BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THIS PROJECT WOULD IF IT DID GET APPROVED THAT IT MOVED FORWARD. HOW DO WE DO DO SOME SORT OF TRIGGER THAT THAT MAKES IT WORK DOESN'T JUST SIT THERE WHERE IF IT IF IT SITS, IT'S GOT TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL OR COME BACK TO PNG OR TO HOW DO WE DO SOMETHING THAT IS THAT? I GUESS I SHOULD WE BE DONE WITH QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW? AT THIS POINT, DAVID ? YEAH I WOULD. I WOULD SAY, IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WE NEED TO DO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE TRIGGERS MORE. BUT WHETHER OR NOT THE ALBUM WILL BE AMENABLE TO A PARTICULAR OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS? FIRST? YEAH YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO ASK IF THERE'S A QUESTION CHIN. WOULD YOU BE? IN THE WAY THAT EVERYTHING IS BEING DEVELOPED, AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS A TRIGGER THAT ASKED FOR THE TOWN HOMES TO BE BUILT OR FOR THE TALENT 50% TIME HOMES TO BE BUILT. MHM. UM AND HAVE A CERTIFICATE. YOU SEE, UM I'M WONDERING. WOULD YOU BE A MINIMAL TO A TRIGGER THAT HAS THE RETAIL? AND THE RESIDENTIAL . FOR THE REACH OR THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE OTHER AMENITIES SORT OF BEING DEVELOPED. IN CONCERT IN A SENSE, SO NOT PUTTING ALL THE RESIDENTIAL UP FIRST. AND THEN COMING IN AT THE VERY END AND PUTTING ALL THE RETAIL SO, FOR INSTANCE, YOU TAKE YOUR LET'S SAY IF YOU START OFF WITH YOUR TOWN HOMES, SO YOU TAKE THIS DISTRICT ON THE LEFT. UM AND YOU START BUILDING YOUR TOWN HOMES BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO SAY PUTTING IN THE, UM THE MULTI FAMILY 10 STORY OR, HOWEVER MANY STORIES YOU DO YOU COMMIT TO PUTTING IN THAT RETAIL TO SUPPORT THAT? YOU PUT PUTTING THAT RETAIL SPACE AND THEN WE START BUILDING THE MULTI FAMILY , UH, FLOORS. BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, SAY, FINISH THAT ALL ALL FINISHED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT MULTI FAMILY THAT YOU HAVE HERE. YOU PUT IN SOME RETAIL TO GO WITH IT, SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT JUST PUTTING IN ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN WHEN WE GET AROUND TO GET OUT OF TOWN. OKAY? I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO I THINK MAYBE A WAY TO ANSWER THAT. YEAH DEFINITELY OK, WOULD BE TO DESCRIBE HOW YOU WOULD BUILD THIS PRACTICALLY UH, SO THE TOWN HOMES ARE FAIRLY SIMPLE CONSTRUCTION SLAB ON GRADE, YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD EACH ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS. YOU'RE GONNA START TO POUR THAT SLIDE, YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD UP THREE STORY FRAME. GLAD IT AND FINISH IT OUT. PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WITH THIS ONE STORY RETAIL HERE FOLLOW MY CURSOR. SO THESE BUILDINGS HERE IN THE CENTER OR A DIFFERENT

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IT. FROM A TOWN PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU WERE TO BUILD OUT ALL OF THE MULTI FAMILY. AND THEN FOR SOME REASON, WHATEVER THAT REASON, MAYBE DECIDE WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH RETAIL THAT CHANGES THIS DEVELOPMENT. SIGNIFICANTLY. HAVE YOU GOT ALL THIS RETAIL IN HERE AND YOU BUILD OUT ALL OF THIS MULTI FAMILY PUT ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE. AND THEN DON'T BUILD OUT THE RETAIL OR DECIDE.

MAYBE THAT TOWN SQUARE. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE MONEY IS THIN. AT THAT POINT, YOU DON'T NEED THE TOWN SQUARE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU ANY MONEY, NECESSARILY. UM THEN YOU WHAT'S THE POINT OF STICKING AROUND TO BUILD THAT STUFF OUT? SO THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN IS THAT ONCE WE APPROVE WHATEVER THIS P D IS THE SITE PLAN, THAT'S IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVE IF WE APPROVE IT. IT'S NOT. YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO BUILD OUT THE RETAIL BECAUSE, BUT YOU WILL BUILD OUT ALL THE MULTI COMPANY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE QUESTION. WHEN YOU SAY BUILD OUT? DO YOU MEAN TO FINISH OUT OR THE SHELL COMPONENT FINISHING OR ANYTHING LIKE IF YOU PUT THESE TOWN HOMES AND THESE FOLKS ARE GONNA START PAYING RENT, THEY'RE GONNA START PAYING THEIR WHATEVER THE CASES, THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL BE MOVED. THEY'LL BE THERE. AND YOU CAN DECIDE AFTER THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THE RETAIL. WELL, IF WE BUILD THE RETAIL SHELL WHICH IS A COMPONENT OF THE MULTI FAMILIES. IT SITS ON TOP OF IT. JUST STACKED. AND WE LEAVE THE RETAIL OR NON RESIDENTIAL VACANT WOULD BE FINANCIALLY HURTING OURSELVES. SIGNIFICANTLY. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT RETAIL REVENUE. OKAY, SO THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL OF THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL OF TRUST. RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK THE AT THE END OF THE DAY. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE RETURNS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RENTAL INCOME AND REVENUE TO OFFSET YOUR DEBT. YOU NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST 80% STABILIZED OCCUPANCY. TO START MAKING THAT SPREAD. SO WE'RE GONNA INCENTIVE TO BUILD WERE INCENTIVIZED TO BUILD THAT RETURN THAT BUILD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WOULD THAT BE A GOOD WOULD THAT BE A GOOD STARTING POINT? LET'S SAY 80% ONCE YOU GET 80% OCCUPANCY, YOU YOU BEGIN WITH THE RETAIL. WOULD THAT BE HAVE TO HAVE THE USERS? AND WE JUST KIND OF DO YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE YOU'VE GOT STAR TRAIL THAT'S GOT 1500. RETAIL USERS. THEY HAVE TO COME TO US AND SAY THEY WANT TO LEASE SPACE. REFERRING TO SO, YES. SO YOU MEAN I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER COMPANY OR WHATEVER RETAIL COMPANY WOULD HAVE TO SAY. OKAY YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH TO SUPPORT BUT

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WHO WOULD WHO WOULD ESPECIALLY WITH MORE MULTI UNIQUE PLACES. I MEAN, THIS WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD DO NEXT YEAR. I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING LIKE 2020 WHENEVER WHEN YOU WOULD AFTER YOU'VE BUILT 80% OF YOUR TOWN HOMES ALREADY. AND ALL THAT STUFF. I'M JUST CURIOUS. I THINK I THINK WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? TO SAY THAT I CAN GUARANTEE WHO GOES IN AND WIN. AND TO BUILD THE $20 MILLION RETAIL CENTER AROUND THAT RIGHT NOW IS A SCARY THOUGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK COMMISSIONER REES HAS MORE QUESTIONS. SO JUST LISTENING TO ALL THE DIALOGUE THAT COMMISSIONER HARRISON YOU HAD GOING BACK AND FORTH. IT SOUNDS LIKE YEAH. IT'S AWESOME TRIGGERS AND THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. I JUST. NOW THAT WE'RE JUST OPENLY TALKING ABOUT IT, I JUST HAVE TWO THINGS. OH, I WAS GONNA ASK A QUESTION. YEAH. SO I HAVE 22 QUESTIONS. UM JUST LISTENING TO IT, COMMISSIONER, HARRIS SAID. ONE. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO 100% OF THE TOWN HOMES. HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AS A TRIGGER. TO A MAXIMUM OF 500 UNITS. JUST A QUESTION. I THINK THE ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW LONG DO WE WANT TO BE BUILDING TOWN HOMES BEFORE WE CAN START MARKETING THE OTHER THING. AND. THE QUESTION. I HAVE ANSWERED THIS BEFORE, BUT THE REASON I GAVE WAS. IT DID WITH THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO CREATE SOME LEVEL OF BUFFER WITH THE TOWN HOMES, AND I THINK IT IS PERHAPS WE IDENTIFY ON A MAP. WHICH 50% IT IS TO ACHIEVE THE MOST BUFFERING. BUT IT COULD TAKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO BUILD AND GET CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY. ALL THOSE TOWN HOMES, SO WHY JUST FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF GETTING BUFFERING. WHY WAIT THAT EXTRA. 2 2.5 YEARS TO START THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT. BEFORE ACHIEVING WHAT WE WANT WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR AND MORE OR LESS. I. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS A BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD ALL THE TIMINGS FIRST. AND SECOND QUESTION. WHERE WE ACCEPT THE 1500 UNIT APARTMENT MAXIMUM. I THINK THE SITE PLAN WOULD CHANGE. THAT'S WHERE FOOTAGE GOES DOWN FOR RESIDENTIAL WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT YEAH, THE BALANCE OF RETAIL OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL AROUND THAT I MEAN, IT WOULD PROBABLY GO DOWN BY 20% AND 10 TO 20. BECAUSE. THE 49% TO 50% RETAIL FEEDS OR SORRY. MULTI FAMILY FEEDS THE RETAIL. YEAH, THE USERS, RIGHT SO IF YOU REDUCE THE MULTI FAMILY, YOU HAVE TO PRODUCE OTHER THINGS. ACROSS THEM. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. SO. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO UM, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ASK. DO WE HAVE ANY PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. ON THIS. IF NOT, DO WE. DO WE HAVE ANY ANY OTHER WRITTEN WRITTEN NOTICES OR ANYTHING FROM CITIZENS? NO. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, UM WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF THERE'S NO MORE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC I WISH TO SPEAK. AND, UH, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER? COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT BEFORE WE GO AROUND, AND, UH AND DO DO A VOTE. HMM. YOU KNOW, MY. MY MAIN CONCERNS ARE ARE TO CONCERNS. YEAH I LIKE THE PROJECT WITH WITH TWO THINGS. ONE IS THE. THE NUMBER OF

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AND SO. I DO WANT TO DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY PUT IN SOME SORT OF SUNSET TRIGGER. WHAT IF IT DOESN'T GET . PLEA MERIT IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AT A CERTAIN POINT TIME.

COME BACK TO US IF WE DID IF IT DID GET APPROVED. IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS OR NOT, BUT WE AREN'T ABLE TO PUT. THE EXPIRATION DATE FOR ZONING WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK. WE NOTICE IT AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND SO IT'S SAFE. WE DECEMBER FIVE YEARS. WE WOULD HAVE TO RE NOTICE AND GO THROUGH AND YOU JUST REPEAT THE PROCESS. IT DOESN'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRED. WE CAN PUT IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. CERTAINLY. CERTAIN ISSUES. HE HAS A TIMING, ELLEN. DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A ZONING STAGE. THAT MAY BE SOMETHING DOWN THE LINE TO CONSIDER. BUT WE? WE CAN'T SENSE THAT VOTING PROVISIONS OUTLAWING THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I GOT. THANK YOU. PARIS. SO I'LL SAY, UM AGAIN. THE NUMBER OF APARTMENT UNITS, I THINK WE HAVE DOUBTS NOR TOTALLY GUIDELINES. SPECIFICATIONS IN THOSE GUIDELINES THAT ALLOW THAT DESCRIBED MULTIPLYING THE UNITS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY IS THE PLACE THAT WE WOULD DO. EVEN IF WE HAVE REACHED 6 500 CATS SO WHEN THE GUIDELINES WERE PUT TOGETHER. THE CAP WAS ALREADY ASSUMED TO HAVE BEEN REACHED.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHEN THEY WHEN DID THAT WHEN THE GUY COMPLETED THAT THE INTENTION WAS TO BUILD MORE MULTI FAMILY UNITS. BUT WHEN THE RIGHT THE DEVELOPMENT CAME ALONG THAT MET OUR GUIDELINES MET OUR SPECIFICATIONS AND BENEFITED THE TOWN. APPROPRIATELY, WE WOULD LOOK TO APPROVE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. SO AH! I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE EVEN AT THE 835.

OR IS THAT 8 42 LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, EVEN AT THAT NUMBER SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT ISN'T EVEN THE LARGEST NUMBER THAT THAT ISN'T EVEN THE SECOND LARGEST NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE WERE APPROVED. AND IT IT'S A PART OF A MIXED USE FACILITY. SO THAT'S SORT OF KIND OF TIPS IT A BIT FOR ME AND AGAIN. IT'S ON THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. THAT TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT, SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. UM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND . MAYBE IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OF SOME SORT. IF THAT IS EVEN SOMETHING THAT WE COULD UM COULD WORK ON BECAUSE I'M NOT I'M NOT A DEVELOPER. OH, UM, I WOULD BE OUT BOXED IN THAT CONVERSATION FAIRLY QUICKLY. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY. THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND. GIVING US SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT THAT WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO BE SITTING LOOKING AT ONE HUGE DEVELOPMENT WITH JUST A BUNCH OF MULTI FAMILY UNITS AND NOTHING ELSE. BECAUSE DOING ANYTHING MORE DOESN'T FINANCIALLY BENEFIT. EITHER DEVELOPER OR ANY OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES SURROUNDING THAT. THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY FOR US TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THE WAY FOR US TO DO THAT, THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. CAPTURE A NUMBER OF THAT, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DEVELOPER AND ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN THE MADEIRA PROJECT.

TO BE OPEN AND AMENABLE TO THAT. BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A WAY THEY MAY NOT BE SOMETHING I'VE MENTIONED, BUT THERE IS A WAY TO FIND A MEDIUM IN THERE. UM SO I WOULD LIKE SOME SORT OF PROTECTIONS THAT. SOMETHING WILL BE DEVELOPED IN CONCERT WITH THE MULTI FAMILY PEACE SOMETHING YEAH, YOU KNOW, UM SO UM. BUT OUTSIDE OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS I THINK THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN

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SO UM, THOSE ARE MY VIEWS. THAT'S HOW BE OPEN TO HEARING SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS OF FEEDBACK. IS AGAIN. PRETTY MUCH STAY IN MY CASE AND WHAT I THINK I THINK IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT. I THINK IT'S AWESOME. IT'S NEEDED ON THE TOLLWAY. BUT THERE'S STILL SO MANY WITH REGARDS TO TEXT. THERE'S STILL SO MANY THINGS OPEN THAT NEED TO BE DRILLED DOWN THAT WE GOT A WHOLE FEET TO THE FIRE WITH REGARD TO THIS. UM AND SO WITH THAT, I JUST I CAN'T UNTIL WE GET SPECIFIED OR A LITTLE BIT MORE. SPECIFICATION WITH REGARDS TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH IN THE PAST WITH REGARDS TO THE TEXT, AND JUST I DON'T I DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU MOVE FORWARD. SORRY. UM. SO I THINK FOR ME, UM, ALIGNMENT COMMISSIONER PATTEN'S ON ON A LOT OF THE TAX, I WOULD SAY. AT THE SAME TIME. TRIGGER PIECE AS WELL. UM, THAT THAT.

COMMISSIONER READS TALKS ABOUT SO WITH ME. IF WE HAD TO MAKE A BOTANIST, MY I WOULDN'T BE APPROVING IT AT THIS TIME, SO. I THINK THAT. THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS ON BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME. ONE IS JUST TO DENY THE APPLICATION ONE THE TABLE TO FUTURE DATE. SO THEY CAN BE FURTHER DISCUSSION. THAT WE WERE GOING TO POSTPONE IT TO A FUTURE DATE. WE JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE TO DO IT TO A SPECIFIC DATE. WE CAN'T DO IT. JUST DEFINITELY THAT WOULD NEVER REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH ALL THE NOTICES AGAIN. SO I THINK IT'S JUST THINKS THEY COOL. MR. COMMISSIONER, HARRIS BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. UM, AT THE BEGINNING ABOUT KIND OF THE WORDING AND IN THE DENIAL VERSUS ALL OF THE THINGS THAT MET THE GUIDELINES, RIGHT SO. I WOULD SAY. ME PERSONALLY. JUST ME. AND THAT'S NOT GONNA DO IT. ANYONE ELSE UP HERE? IF WE IF WE FOLLOW THAT IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THE TOWN, AND WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE US FROM? GUESS WHAT? THAT WHERE YOU'RE GOING. IF WE DON'T IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THE TOWN'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY YEAH, I KNOW. YOU ALL HAVE DISCRETION WHETHER YOU WANT TO APPROVE OR DENY SOMETHING, OKAY? I JUST HATE IT IN TERMS OF KIND OF WORRY. ALL ARE HEADED IN THE FPF BEAT EITHER DENY IT OR OR PUT IT TO A SPECIFIC DATE. THEY HAVE THE DEVELOPER WOULD CONTACT AND COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS. BUT I THINK THEN THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE A BUNCH OF RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE WANT CLEARLY DEFINED. YEAH I THINK BECAUSE FROM THE SOUNDS OF WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING. IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT DENIAL. THINGS. THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT CERTAIN COMMISSIONS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH NOW. IF THEY CAN PROVIDE THAT COMFORT. AND PRESENT. AGAIN. IF WE DENY IT THEN THEN WE GOTTA START IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND START THIS WHOLE THING ALL OVER AGAIN FROM SCRATCH. IF WE TABLE IT. WE GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL TIME. TO MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT WOULD MAKE US COMFORTABLE AND MAKE THE COMMISSIONER'S COMFORTABLE BEFORE WE GET TO VOTE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE IT AND I WE CAN TABLE BUT WE CAN ALSO DENY WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN APPROVE. HOW DO WE WANT TO DO IT? BUT TABLING IS AN OPTION. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING.

ONE MORE TIME. I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TERRY MAYBE ELABORATE TOMORROW ON ALL THREE OPTIONS. UM, GUARDIAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY APPROVED. CABLING OR DENY, REGARDLESS OF Y'ALL DENIED TONIGHT. UM IT WOULD STILL GO TO THE COUNCIL ON THE 20 THE FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING. SO UM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT. IT DOESN'T IF IT DOESN'T IF DENIED TONIGHT, IT DOESN'T MEAN TWO STOPS COMPLETELY. IT STILL MOVES FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDING

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WELL. I APPRECIATE IN A WHAT? AND DISCUSSED AND. I THINK ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A YEAR WITH ALMOST EVERY SINGLE LEADERSHIP ENTITY OF THE CITY.

VERY IN DEPTH. FOR THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS. WE'VE GOT A 60 DAY DELAY COMING BACK VERY PLANNING AND ZONING. YEAH, I THINK SPIRIT OF GETTING HE'S GOING FORWARD. CAN WE MOTION TONIGHT TO DO 500 GENES OF MULTI FAMILY AND WITH RESPECT TO TRIGGERS? THE ORDINANCE ALREADY SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD 50% NONRESIDENTIAL WITH THE MULTI FAMILY. PERCENT OF WHICH IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE RETAIL. THAT'S KIND OF A BAKED IN TRIGGER IN MY MIND. THAT PARTY BEING IN THE EXHIBIT SCENE. THE NAVY EMOTION APPROVAL WITH 500 UNITS FOR APARTMENTS. HOW TO GET THE DEAL DONE. NOW WE JUST CLOSED IT OUT WITH HIM. IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO. I HAVE TO WORK ON A MOTION IF YOU ALL WANT TO CONSIDER THAT, BUT WE'D HAVE TO I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE INCLUDING THEM SO YES, I UNDERSTAND 7500 UNITS. MOST OF MY FAMILY UNITS IN THE APARTMENTS, RIGHT? WE CAN STILL DO ANOTHER 200 YEARS OF CONDOS. WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE PAINT

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MAYBE WE COULD JUST REDUCE THE APARTMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO FURTHER REDUCTION IN CONDOMINIUMS, WHICH WOULD BE FOR SALE? YEAH. YES, WE GO BACK.

AND WHAT I HEARD WAS APARTMENTS WANT TO BE REDUCED? BECAUSE IT'S FOR RENT. IS THAT THE PROBLEM? MY QUESTION? WHEN I ASKED THE 500 WAS JUST 500 TOTAL. IT WASN'T IT WAS JUST A JUST A QUESTION. I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S ALIGNED TO IT. IT WAS JUST SOMETHING I WAS ASKING BECAUSE YOU WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH COMMISSIONER HARRIS ALL AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS SO THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I WAS ASKING THAT OR IF I PROPOSED TO REDUCE THE APARTMENTS TO 500. BABY STILL LEAVING THE CONDOMINIUMS IS AN OPTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO BUILDINGS UP THERE. THAT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF DENSITY. THAT BE AGREEABLE. IN THE COMMOTION, RIGHT? YEAH THAT WOULD BE AGREEABLE THAT ACTUALLY THINK IF THAT WAS AGREEABLE TO ALRIGHT, SO BASICALLY. THEY'RE OPEN TO A REDUCTION, THEY TOLD REVIEWED IT THAT'S ONLY 100 126 REDUCED DEPARTMENTS RIGHT. THAT NUMBER IS THEY'RE OPEN TO A REDUCTION NUMBER OF UNITS, ONE THEY HAVE A STATED TRIGGER. TO ACCOMMODATE AT LEAST IN PART. MY CONCERN WITH RETAIL. BEING DEVELOPED ALONGSIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL. SO THERE'S THAT SO I THINK BASICALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO MAKING FURTHER ADJUSTMENTS IF IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GET AN ANSWER TONIGHT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH COUNCIL SO IF WE CAN, INCLUDING THE MOTION IF YOU WANT IF ANYONE WANTS TO INCLUDE IN REMOTE AND THE EMOTION THAT THERE IS A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MULTI FAMILY UNITS TO 500. THAT'S THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS NUMBER OF TOWN HOMES DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE PLANTATION REALLY SEEMS TO BE THE NUMBER OF I THINK THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS AS A MATTER OF CONTENTION BECAUSE THAT'S JUST BODIES. SO I THINK. THE REDUCTION IN THE TOTAL OF 500, BUT THE IMPACT IF WE HAD TO CHOOSE WOULD BE PRIMARILY ON THE APARTMENT SIDE

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BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT 835 TOTAL UNITS THAT AMOUNT. AND BRINGING THAT WHOLE AMOUNT DOWN TO 500. IT WAS JUST A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION, NOT JUST BRINGING THE APARTMENTS DOWN THE 500. SO. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ALIGN ON GETTING APARTMENTS DOWN TO 500. I'M NOT GOING TO PROVE IT ANYWAY. DON'T BE. JUST BE A WASTE OF EMOTION. AND IF YOU IF YOU'RE NOT ALIGNED WITH THE APARTMENTS, AND IT'S A WASTE OF THE MOTION, IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW, WITH WITH WITH THEM WORKING WITH HIM. LIKE. WITH WITH WITH THEM WORKING WITH US, BRINGING IT DOWN TO 500 APARTMENTS. IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT I WOULD I WOULD CONSIDER THE MOTION. UM AND SO, BUT IT'S STILL THERE'S IT WOULD JUST BE I WOULDN'T GO ANYWHERE. SO THERE'S . COMMISSIONER PETTIS. HOW MUCH IMPACT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU DO WITH SHOPS WEST? YOU PUT THAT PICTURE UP AND SAID YOU EITHER WORKED, OR WITH ALL THOSE DIFFERENT CONCEPTUAL THOSE THOSE PICTURES OF THE DIFFERENT PROBLEM. HOW MUCH DID YOU HOW MUCH WERE YOU INVOLVED WITH SHOPS WITH US? OH I CAN SPEAK TO CLEAR FORK. IT WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS UP THERE. SO WITH THEIR AND I'M GETTING STUCK BECAUSE THEIR P D WAS EXTREMELY OR THEIR WHAT THEY PUT IN FRONT OF THE PLANE. IT WAS EXTREMELY DETAILED , SAID EXACTLY WHEN EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO GO AND PLAY. WE STILL I STILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. I STILL THINK THAT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR USAGE IS SOMETHING LIKE THERE'S SEVERAL OF THAT WE DON'T ALLOW THIS HAS TO GET BUTTONED UP BETTER. I JUST I APOLOGIZE. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW, BUT IT'S THIS IS OUR FIRST ONE. IT'S GOT TO BE SPOT ON AND WE CAN'T WE CAN'T SIT UP HERE AS CITIZENS AND IN IN THIS COMMITTEE AND MAKE ANY MISTAKES ON THIS FIRST ONE, AND JUST I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THE APARTMENT THING AND THAT'S AWESOME. BUT THERE'S OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS THAT NEED TO BE EXTREMELY TIGHT THAT YOU KNOW THE PARKWAYS WILL GO IN OR THE PARKWAY IS GONNA GO IN WITH THE APARTMENTS. ARE THEY GOING TO START GOING IN WITH JUST AFTER YOU DO? I GUESS YOU'RE CONDOS FIRST. THEN THE APARTMENTS IN THE PARK WAS GOING WITH THE CAR. I MEAN, IT'S GOT TO BE, IN MY OPINION, IT'S GOT TO BE LAID OUT TO THE DEGREE JUST LIKE THE ONE THAT SHOPS WEST. I'VE GOT SOME FRIENDS THAT WERE PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY SHOWED ME THE, UM EVERYTHING THAT WAS LAID OUT AND HOW IT WAS LAID OUT AND THAT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M REFERRING BACK TO THAT. UM BUT, MAN, I HATE IT. I DO, BUT I JUST I DON'T THINK I CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS WITH EVEN THOUGH YOU CAME BACK WITH THE CONCESSION DEPARTMENTS, AND I KNOW THAT WAS MY BIG HANG UP, PREPARED TO TALK ON ANY ITEM IF WE WANT TO MAKE IT ADDED TO THE MOTION. TONIGHT USES INCLUDED I LIKE TO SPEND THE TIME TO DO THAT. I MEAN, EITHER, EITHER, REGARDLESS OF GETS PAST US, I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT WEEK MEETING. I MEAN, MICROPHONE . I TRUST ME. I GET I GET ALL OF THE I GET ALL OF THE POSTPONEMENTS, AND ALL THAT STUFF IS A BIT OF A HEADACHE, AND I GUESS IT'S JUST BEEN PUSHING YOU ALL BACK. BUT IT DOESN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD. TWO.

MOVE FORWARD IF WE DENY RIGHT. IF THE IF THE COMMISSION THE COMMISSIONERS DENY AND YOU GO TO TOWN COUNCIL, AND THEY ARE IN ESSENCE TRYING TO SUPPORT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA. IT'S GOING TO BE AN UPHILL CLIMB WITH TOWN COUNCIL. BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA WEIGH OUR DECISION VERY

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TO COVER ALL OF THEIR CONCERNS. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING AND THEN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THE NUMBER OF UNITS MAY HAVE BEEN THE HEADLINE, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY OTHER SUB BULLETS TO THAT. THAT. YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO RIGHT NOW, ANYWAY, SO I'VE MADE IT. I MADE MY POSITION CLEAR. I YEAH, I MADE MY POSITION CLEAR ON IT. UM SO YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE READY. SO EITHER WE EITHER WE VOTE NOW. AND YOU KNOW, IT WILL GO THE WAY THAT GOES OR YOU GET TWO MORE WEEKS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE STICKING POINTS AND MAKE IT AGAIN. THIS IS NOT A IT'S NOT. I MEAN, IT'S PART IS NOT NECESSARILY UP TO YOU, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MY OPINION I WAS IT WOULD BE PROBABLY IN YOUR BUILD. BE MORE IN YOUR IT WOULD BE IN YOUR BETTER INTEREST. TO AT LEAST GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.

YOU'VE SPENT LIKE YOU SAID A YEAR. TWO MORE WEEKS. IS NOT GOING TO MAKE OR BREAK THE YEAR THAT YOU SPENT PUTTING INTO THIS TWO WEEKS IS YOU'RE SAYING IT'S BASED OFF IF WE IF WE IF WE IF WE APPROVE THAT MOTION, TABLE IT WE WOULD HAVE APPROVED THE TABLE IT I DON'T WANT TO GET A MUCH BETTER CHANCE THAN THAN YOU DO NOW. CLEAR ON THE STATEMENT. JUST HAVE ONE QUICK THING FOR DAVID SAD IF IT'S ONLY A TWO WEEK CABLING. THAT MEANS THAT JENNA PRACTICE GROUNDS THAT'S WEAK. SO I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S LOOKS TOO TIRED. TURNAROUND MAY 2ND WOULD BE THE EARLIEST SO THEN A FOUR WEEK SO YOU KNOW? NOW, KEEP IN MIND YOU YOU KNOW YOU COULD PULL IT. BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, IF IT'S JUST IF THAT'S TOO LONG. BUT I THINK WE WANT TO GET IT, RIGHT. YEAH SO DO WE THINK THE WHOLE TOWN WANTS TO GET IT RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK WHATEVER WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO DO THAT, OKAY? SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WELL DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS UP HERE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE BEFORE WE MAKE EMOTIONS? THAT'S A LOT OF BEEN SAID. IN THE PAST. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MINUTES KEEPING TIME. ALRIGHT THEN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS I WOULD SAY.

ASSIST. TAKE EMOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THE VOTE ON ITEM OR AGENDA. ITEM FIVE.

UNTIL THE MAY 2ND, UH COMMISSION MEET COMMISSIONERS MEETING. UH OR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

UM. GIVING TIME FOR TOWN STAFF TO WORK WITH. THE DEVELOPER ON ADDITIONAL. TRIGGERS AND, UH.

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SO I WOULD SAY THE LAST TIME THIS CAME BEFORE US, RIGHT? WE GAVE FEEDBACK. THE UNITS WAS PART OF THE FEEDBACK AND THEY CAME BACK WITH THE SAME EXACT UNITS. RIGHT, SO. TO SAY, GIVE MORE TIME AND THEN CHANGE IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THE ONE. THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED WAS THAT 50. TRIGGER ONE TRIGGER. WE'LL NEVER KNOW. OUT OF A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE. I KNOW I WASN'T HERE FOR THE ORIGINAL CAME IN ON THE BACK END. I MISSED MISSED THAT MEETING. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CHANGES MADE FROM THE ORIGINAL. AND THE TRIGGERS THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT ONE. I THINK THERE'S FIVE OR SIX ON THE CURRENT ONE. THAT WEREN'T IN THE FIRST, THE FIRST ONE AND BETWEEN THE LAST CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD IN THE CURRENT CONVERSATION. WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE UNITS. THE UNITS DIDN'T CHANGE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. THAT THERE WAS AN EXPLICIT REQUEST TO REDUCING THIS EVERYTHING WE HAD PEOPLE WHO WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT I MYSELF AND I STATED THAT HERE LET'S SAY THAT PREVIOUSLY THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY PRESENTED THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT WAS NOT MY CONCERN. THAT WAS NOT MY CONCERN. SO FOR WHATEVER REASON. YOU KNOW IF IT'S IF IT'S OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD PROBABLY WOULD CHANGE IT IF THEY WENT BACK TODAY. BUT I HAD NO ISSUE WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS. THAT'S NOT EVEN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE WERE PRESSING IN THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE'VE APPROVED PERIOD. PALES IN COMPARISON TO THE 2900. WE APPROVED FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT HADN'T EVEN BEEN BROKE DOWN, EVEN BROKEN GROUND YET. SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS, SO THAT'S THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY WHY THAT NUMBER HADN'T BEEN CHANGED.

BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A UNIFIED VOICE SAYING THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO COME DOWN NOW, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING, THEN I'M OKAY WITH THAT, TOO. WE CAN REDUCE. WE CAN REQUIRE THAT THEY REDUCE THE NUMBER. I GOT NO ISSUE WITH THAT EITHER. BUT I THINK THEY MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES. I THINK THAT THE ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS LIKE THE EIGHTH DRAFT. I THINK, JUST IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR WEEKS. I'M GUESSING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THEY'VE GONE THROUGH EIGHT DRAFTS OF THIS SINCE THEN. SO ALL OF THE ALL YOUR STATEMENTS ARE GREAT, YOU KNOW, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO COMMISSIONER PATTI'S POINT. A LOT OF OPEN GRAY AREA. ALL RIGHT. SO HOW DO WE JUST DON'T KNOW? HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT? NFS IF WE IF WE'RE SAYING GIVE FOUR WEEKS TO SOLVE THAT IS THAT REALLY IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN AND HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT FROM THIS? I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION OF THE TOWN STAFF. IF WE DO TABLE THIS OR OR WE DENY SO IF WE DENIED TODAY, I GUESS WE'RE NOT DENYING BECAUSE WE WERE THE SPLIT. BUT IF WE WERE TO DENY IT GOES TO COUNSEL, RIGHT? THAT'S GREAT. PROVE IT. DENY. AND IT WAS THAT THEY DID I SAY THEY DID DENY WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE.

RIGHT. IT'S DONE. IF WE TABLE IT IS STILL GOES TO COUNSEL. NO SO YEAH, YOU TABLED IT, THEN IT WOULD IT WOULD GO TO THE MAIN POTENTIAL MAY 2ND MEETING. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE AN AGENDA PROTEIN FRIDAY BEFORE AND SO, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE UNTIL THEN HE HAS SORT OF GET EVERYTHING.

UM, REVISED AGAIN AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU ON MAY 2ND ON PRESENT, UM ANY OF THOSE CHANGES THAT THEY'VE MADE TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. BUT THE TABLE AND WILL PUSH IT TO ME A SECOND. IF THAT'S THE DESIRE DATE. I GUESS IF WE DON'T IF WE IF WE DON'T TABLE WE DON'T DENY THAT WE'RE JUST SITTING HERE ALL NIGHT, GOING BACK AND FORTH. CORRECT. THAT BUT THAT'S NOT THAT ISN'T WHAT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S COUNCIL THE COUNCIL WANTS AND OUT THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WANT. YOU KNOW, I THINK I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNSEL ONCE. WELL I THINK WHAT COUNCIL WANTS IS FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING LEVEL. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WANTED TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR THEM TO MAKE THE DECISION. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DENY WE NEED TO DENY WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO HOLD TRUE TO THAT DENIAL, AND THEY WILL ALSO DENIAL, DENIAL. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COUNCIL'S GONNA DO WE KNOW IT. YOU GOT TO FOLKS AND TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS SAYING DENY YEAH. WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON WHY IT TABLE WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY TABLING WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE

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SO THAT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT THEY MAKE FROM THE MAYOR'S SENTIMENTS AS WELL AS THE VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO . IF WE'RE GONNA DENY THEN WE DENY WHAT THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY WILL, TOO. ANY MORE COMMENTS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO . TABLE TO MAY 2ND, BUT I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT BISCUIT. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE THIRD TIME NOW. THE THIRD TIME AND SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR A YEAR AT THIS, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU LISTEN TO EACH AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING ASKED, BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN IT COMES TO US NEXT TIME, AND IF IT'S NOT LIKE THAT, THEN IT'S GOING TO GET TONIGHT. SO I VOTE TO THINK I'VE LOST MY JOB, BUT I VOTE TABLE TABLE THIS MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO MAY 2ND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR TABLE IN THIS TO MAY 2ND RAISE YOUR HAND. 31. AND YOU'RE OPPOSING. OKAY? AND WHO IS THIS? LIKE? I'M SORRY. WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THE MOTION, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HARRIS, ONE OF PAUL'S COMMISSIONER, JACKSON UM TABLE MOVES FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER SIX. UM ON THE AGENDA,

[6. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.]

MAYORS UM CITY PLANNERS DO JOIN . UM I'LL SEND YOU A DRINK, BUT WE DO HAVE A AVAILABLE THEY'VE BEEN SOLD OUT FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS. UM IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY NEED. UM UM, THAT APPLYING TO YOUR TURN AND ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER. AS WELL. SO IT'S KIND OF A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE ALL SIGNED OUT THAT EMAIL. IT'S A MAY 12. IT'S AN ALL DAY. AND OF THAT, AND IT HAS SOME SESSIONS AND AGAIN. IT'S NOT LIKE MULTIPLE SESSIONS OR NOT, BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM AND ALSO YOU KNOW? DEFINITELY LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY ANYMORE. DISCUSSIONS LIKE THAT FOR OPPORTUNITIES. UM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S INTERESTED IN Y'ALL. YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE STATE A P A. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SEND EVERYONE BUT, UM YOU KNOW, THE STATE A P A, IS IN CORPUS THIS YEAR. IT'S IN OCTOBER, AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD EVENT FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS. UM BUT AGAIN JUST EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE ANY MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND TO YOU OR SEND SOME TO YOU. UMH WE KIND OF GOT MORE TICKETS FOR THIS FOCUS ON TEXAS.

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FOR ANYONE LIKE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN. FROM LIKE. EMOTIONAL WE ADJOURN MOSTLY BY COMMISSIONER HARRIS TO ADJOURN AND I HAVE A SECOND I'LL SECOND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REEVES. TIME OF ITS ADJOURN 8 31 ALL IN FAVOR. UNANIMOUS. THE JAR.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.