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          WE'RE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME EITHER. ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY READY? GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE REGULAR 
          [1. Call to Order / Roll Call.]
MEETING OF THE TUESDAY MARCH, 7TH 2023 PROSPER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER AT SIX PM ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING. FOR THOSE HERE THAT WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. THOSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST COMPLETE THE PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM LOCATED IN THE TOWN WEBSITE OR IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. 
          IF YOU'RE ATTENDING IN PERSON, PLEASE SUBMIT THIS FORM TO THE BOARD CHAIR OR A STAFF MEMBER PRIOR TO THE MEETING. WHEN CALLED UPON, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ITEM NUMBER TWO THIS EVENING IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE RISE? BEEN A WHILE. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. ADAM NUMBER 
          [3. Consider and act upon the appointment of the Planning & Zoning Commission Vice-Chair.]
THREE THIS EVENING. IS WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE APPOINTMENT. OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LAST YEAR AS EVERYONE KNOWS THE PREVIOUS VICE CHAIR, HAS RESIGNED. MOVED TO A DIFFERENT COUNTRY. AND SO AT THIS TIME. WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. TO APPOINT THE VICE CHAIR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. AND IF I'M JUST SPEAK, PLEASE HELP ME OUT HERE. SO I'M MOTION, UH, TO ACTIVELY APPOINTMENT OF A PLANING AND ZONING ADVICE CHAIR FOR DAMON JACKSON. COMMISSIONER JACKSON. UH UNLESS COMMISSIONER PETTIS WANTS IT, AND I WOULD I WOULD CHANGE THAT TO JACKSON BEING A SECRETARY. PARIS IS SAYING NO, SO I'LL GO WITH MY INITIAL WE'RE GONNA START THAT AGAIN. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT COMMISSIONER DAMON JACKSON AS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PROSPER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. OKAY SO WE HAVE A SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. TO APPOINT COMMISSIONER JACKSON AS VICE CHAIR. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM SECRETARY AND COMMISSIONER MICHAEL PETTIS. SO WITH THAT MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING COMMISSIONER JACKSON'S LAST YEAR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. AND WE HAVE 1234567 MOTION CARRIES YOUR APPOINTED 7 TO 0 AS LAST YEAR. CONGRATULATIONS. 30 40 YEARS LATER. ALL RIGHT. 
          CONGRATULATIONS AND YOU'RE IN THE CORRECT SEAT. SO IT'S WELL, THAT WORKED OUT. I DID WORK OUT, ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD QUICKLY. NO YOU'RE DAMON. HERE WE GO. I DON'T NUMBER FOUR THIS EVENING 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSENT AGENDA. SO THIS EVENING COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE ITEMS FOR A THROUGH FOUR H ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING. DID ANY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO PULL ANY ATOMS FOR DISCUSSION AND OR REVIEW THIS EVENING? AND IF NOT , I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR A 34 H SUBJECT TO TOWN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. ABSOLUTELY CAME. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR A THROUGH FOUR H, UM, APPENDIX STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COMMISSIONER HARRIS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND A SECOND, SO WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER JACKSON ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR EIGHTH AND FOUR H, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. IN MOTION CARRYING 7 TO 0 CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU. UM, NUMBER CITIZEN COMMENT. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. ON ANY TOPIC . HOWEVER THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY TOPIC NOT LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST FORM AND PRESENTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING. SO AT THIS TIME, IF ANYONE PRESENT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND DISCUSS ANY ATOM OR REVIEW THAT THIS IS THE TIME. I'LL TAKE THAT AS A NOTE, SO LET'S GO ON TO. I DON'T NUMBER FIVE THIS EVENING. 
          [5. Discuss the draft development standards for the Pradera Planned Development. (Z22-0019)]
AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FIVE DISCUSSED THE DRAFT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE PRADERA PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS CASE Z 22-19. AND SO I THINK, DAVID BEFORE YOU GET STARTED REVIEW UH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS KIND OF BRING EVERYONE UP TO SPEED. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO WAS ALL BEEN INVOLVED IN THE WORK SESSION LAST WEEK FROM THE COMMISSIONER STANDPOINT. KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. AND NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD, SO THANK YOU. YEAH SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE EVERYONE UM AGAIN, WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A JOINT WORK SESSION BETWEEN PNG AND TOWN COUNCIL. UM YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO SEND THIS BACK TO P AND Z AND SO SORT OF 
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THE SCHEDULE. KIND OF FOR THIS ITEM IS TONIGHT. THIS IS JUST MAINLY FOR Y'ALL TO DISCUSS, ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE UM, I'M GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH REAL QUICK PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM. IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY. BUT AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF WEEKS SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, BUT THERE'S NO MOTION REQUIRED FOR THIS. THIS IS JUST FOR THE DISCUSSION. UM THE APPLICANT IS HERE TODAY. IN CASE YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL? UM AND THEN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AFTER THIS AS WE WILL SCHEDULE A JOINT WORK SESSION AGAIN WITH TOWN COUNCIL? UM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE END OF MARCH AND I CAN GET WITH YOU AFTER THE MEETING AS FAR AS THROUGH WHAT DAYS? UM ARE AVAILABLE OR IF YOU YOU KNOW IT'S SPRING BREAK OR IF YOU HAVE ANY VACATION UH, WE WOULD WANT SOME SORT OF QUORUM TO BE THERE SO WE WOULD WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED AVAILABILITY. AND THEN AFTER THAT IT WOULD COME BACK TO P AND Z FOR PUBLIC HEARING. SO IT'S CALLED THROUGH PNG. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FIRST PNC MEETING IN APRIL. AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO TOWN COUNCIL. I THINK APRIL 25TH WHICH, UM, THAT WOULD BE FOR UP FOR CONSIDERATION. MM QUESTION. SECOND PLAYER TO THE INITIAL TIMEFRAME. WE FIRST SPOKE ABOUT IT. DOES THAT CHANGE MUCH? UM FROM THE FIRST TIME I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN FROM THE FIRST TIME REMEMBER VERA TOGETHER? HOW DOES THAT TIMEFRAME CHANGED? SO IT'S JUST ADDED. I MEAN, WE'RE TAKING IT BACK TO THE PROCESS AGAIN, SO IT DEFINITELY DELAYED IT A LITTLE BIT BY A MONTH OR SO, UM, BUT YOU KNOW THAT WAS REQUESTED, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE SOME TIME TO LOOK AT IT SOME MORE. THANK YOU HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE MARTE GETS ARE JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNCIL LIKE THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL, RIGHT BEFORE OUR NEXT PM Z. UM SO YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT EITHER THAT MONDAY, THE LAST WEEK OF MARCH, SO THAT WAY IT PRESENTS IT FOR THAT FIRST WEEK FOR PNC ON THE SEVENTH OR FIFTH THE SAME WEEK. SO LIKE THE MONDAY BEFORE, SO THE ACTUAL DAY BEFORE UM IT'S JUST MORE OF AVAILABILITY. I MEAN, I THINK I MEAN MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT WAS WHAT THE SCHEDULE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO WHERE IT WAS A WEEK BEFORE, AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE AFTER THIS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE. OKAY? SO AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU'LL RECALL THE DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATES TOWN HOMES, RETAIL APARTMENTS FOR SALE CONDOS, OFFICE BUILDINGS, A HOTEL AND AGAIN RESTAURANT OFFICE AND RETAIL. 
          UM, THE. INTENT OF THE PDS TO CREATE SORT OF A LIVE WORK AND PLAY ENVIRONMENT. IT'S JUST SORT OF HAVE VERTICAL INTEGRATION OF OFFICES AND RETAIL AND SOME SORT OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT. IS PROPOSING TO SUB DISTRICTS IF YOU'LL RECALL WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUB DISTRICT TO THE WEST. UM AGAIN. THIS IS SHAWNEE TRAIL, AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR CUTTING THAT IMAGE OFF JUST TO THE WEST. AND THEN WE DO HAVE, UM, LEGACY GARDENS THAT'S GROWING TOWARDS THE NORTH OF Y'ALL RECALL. WE HAD THE PD AMENDMENT UNTIL MAYBE LAST YEAR. CONTINUE TO EXPAND. SOME OF THOSE HOMES TO THE NORTH AND SCHOOLS. UM I THINK THERE IS A MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WITHIN THAT SUBDIVISION. AND SO YOU HAVE TWO SUBJECTS HERE. NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT IN THE HIGHWAY SUBDISTRICT AND REALLY THE INTENT OF THE SUB DISTRICTS WAS TO SORT OF CREATE A TRANSITION OF AS YOU GO FROM WEST TO EAST, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUB DISTRICT. LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, LESS INTENSE USES OF LIKE THAT THE HEIGHT WAS REDUCED FROM WHAT THE HIGHWOOD SUBDISTRICT REQUIRED ALLOWED. UM AGAIN, TOWN HOMES ARE ALLOWED IN NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT BATTALIONS AREN'T ALLOWED IN HIGHWAY SUBDISTRICT AND SO MULTI FAMILIES ALLOWED IN HIGHWAY BUT MULTI FAMILY IS NOT ALLOWED IN NEIGHBORHOOD AND AGAIN. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THAT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT DEFINITELY WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RESIDENTS ACROSS SHAWNEE TRAIL. AGAIN THIS KIND OF JUST GIVES YOU A LOT OF IT OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS YOU CAN SEE CHANNELS TO THE WEST AND JUST KIND OF SEE THE OVERALL UM, FIRE LANES AND ACCESS. THESE ARE JUST SOME RENDERINGS. WE'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE. BUT REALLY, UM, I EMPHASIZE YOU KNOW, THIS IS SHAWNEE TRAIL. UM AS YOU GO WEST. YOU SORT OF GET HIGHER AND IN HEIGHT. AND THEN YOU HAVE, UM HIGHER OFFICE EAST IS ALONG THE TOTAL. SO AS ALWAYS, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT. DO YOU HAVE A PLAN 
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DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS? UM THAT TALK ABOUT PRETTY MUCH BUILT TWO LINES TALKS ABOUT DENSITY, UM AND REALLY KIND OF DIGS IN THROUGH A LOT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. OUR ZONING ORDINANCE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SORT OF CREATING THAT DISTRICT. UM WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AGAIN. OUR DOWNTOWNS PROBABLY SORT OF A MIXED USE AREA. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, SO THEY'RE THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND WHICH IS WHY THEY'VE CREATED THAT. THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UM THIS WAS JUST SORT OF SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS OR SOME OF THE COMPARISONS. THAT I'VE INCLUDED AGAIN. THE CHINA PROSPER ALLOWS, UM IF IT WAS IN A MULTIFAMILY AND ALLOWED MULTI FAMILY. CURRENTLY WE DO HAVE 15 UNITS PER ACRE, AND THAT'S OUR OUR BASED ZONING DISTRICT. AGAIN AS WELL AS TOWN HOME DISTRICTS, WHICH IS 10 UNITS PER ACRE. SO AGAIN. I WAS JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU THAT AT THE TOWN OF PROSPER HAS AND THEN WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING SO AGAIN, THE REQUESTING THE MAXIMUM BALANCE OF 835 UNITS. UM THERE'S CERTAIN PERCENTAGES THAT NEED TO BE APARTMENTS AND THEN CERTAIN PERCENTAGE IS 25% I BELIEVE THAT NEEDS TO BE FOUR. SO CONDOMINIUMS AND AS FAR AS FOR THE TOWN HOMES, A MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE OF 60 UNITS. KIND OF GOING THROUGH. THE NEXT KIND OF COMPARISON IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. AGAIN THE TIME TO PROSPER. CURRENTLY THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT DOES ALLOW TWO STORIES. HOWEVER THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DO SUGGEST OF UPWARDS TO 12 STORIES . UM JUST TO KIND OF REMIND YOU THAT THE COM PLAN AND THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY DOES SAY THAT THIS IS WHERE UM THE MOST INTENSE LAND USES ARE UM AND WE AND THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING THE HIGHWAY SUBDISTRICT TO BE 12 STORIES. UM AGAIN, THAT IS A MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE FOR 12 STORIES . THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ON ANY MINIMUM STORIES. IT'S JUST THEY CAN DO TECHNICALLY, AT ONE STORY. BUT THAT IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE AND THEN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT. THAT WAS THE TOWN HOMES CAN DO UP TO THREE STORIES OR UP TO FOR COMMERCIAL THREE STORIES AS WELL. MORE 45 FT. FOR BUILDING MATERIALS. UM AS Y'ALL I RECALL , UM ARE BUILDING MATERIALS WE DO REQUIRE 100% MASONRY. UM AS MANY AS YOU ARE AWARE OF OUR HOUSE, BILL, UM, BUT THEY DO THEY ARE REQUESTING TO, UM ADD IN MATERIALS SUCH AS BRICK AND NATURAL. UM AND MY NATURAL MANUFACTURER, STONE STUCCO METAL PANELS. CURTAIN WALLS. UM AND PRIMARY MATERIAL SHOULD BE AT LEAST 75% AND THEN THEY DID REQUEST 60. FOR A TOWN HOME SHOULD BE AT LEAST BRITNEY THREE AND AGAIN. THAT WAS JUST SORT OF FIT. WHAT DOES MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS TRYING TO INTEL. 
          UM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UM YOU KNOW, WE DID LOOK AT SORT OF A REDUCTION OVERALL. UM AGAIN, IT'S THE INTENT IS SORT OF A LIVE WORK PLAY ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE CAN POTENTIALLY LIVE AT THOSE TOWN HOMES WILL LIVE AT THOSE APARTMENTS OR CONDOMINIUMS , YOU KNOW, GO SHOPPING AND GO EITHER POTENTIALLY EVEN WORKED AT THOSE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. SO WE WERE OKAY WITH THE 20% REDUCTION. UM THERE WAS A 20% REDUCTION APPLIED TO EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE TOWN HOMES. WE BELIEVE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TOWN HOMES CAN MEET THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS OF TODAY , AND WE DID NOT INCLUDE THOSE AS PART OF THOSE REDUCTIONS. YEAH ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THE TOWN OF PROSPER HERE, YOU'RE TALKING TO GENERAL TELE PROSPER . WHAT ABOUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE TOTALLY SPECIFICALLY DO IS THERE ANOTHER SECTION UPCOMING THAT MAYBE HAS ADDRESSED WHAT THIS P D IS RELATIVE TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINE CRITERIA AND SOME OF THESE THESE SECTIONS MEANING LIKE WHAT THEY'VE INCORPORATE. AS FAR AS FOR THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE FOR THE TOLLWAY DISTRICT, SO I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AGAIN. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING AS HARD AS FOR THE SLIDES, AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UM FOR THE JOINT SESSION AND THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAYBE EMPHASIZE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THEY HAVE INCORPORATED, UM, CAN ALSO ASK THE APPLICANT VARIANCE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS WELL. YEAH, SO I'LL WRITE THAT DOWN, BUT REALLY A COUPLE OF THINGS BUT WE'VE DONE WAS ANYTIME. THERE'S A ZONING REQUEST THAT COMES ACROSS, UM, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY PASSED AFTER THAT. I THINK WE PASSED THAT WENT LAST YEAR. UM WE DO. TELL THEM ABOUT OUR DALLAS DESIGN GUIDELINES AND REDUCE SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF YOU CAN INCORPORATE SOME OF THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES UM A LOT OF THEM ARE YOU KNOW ADDITIONAL SETBACKS, ADDITIONAL TREES. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE A THREE INCH CALIPER. WE'RE LOOKING AT A FOUR INCH CALIBER, JUST SORT OF 
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HELP AND THE AESTHETICS OF THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY. A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT IS, UM CRITERIA FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S CRITERIA FOR HEIGHT. UM THERE'S CRITERIA FOR CERTAIN USES AS WELL. AND AGAIN WE DO WE DO ASK THEM TO INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS. AND THEN THEY CAN PICK AND CHOOSE. 
          AND AGAIN. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THE APPLICANT. NO, BUT I WILL EMPHASIZE THAT FOR THE NEXT SLIDE. YEAH. YEAH, OR THE NEXT TIME. I GOT ONE QUESTION AROUND THE PARKING. SO YOU SAY YOU DROPPED 20% HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE APARTMENT, SO FOR MY PER UNIT OR PER OCCUPANCY? DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT THAT? YEAH SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS IF YOU KNOW, WE REQUIRE BASED OFF OF A NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. AND NOT OCCUPANCY. THAT'S OUR PARKING RATIO IS AND SO, UM, WE WOULD THEN OFFER A 20% REDUCTION. UM TO SORT OF FIT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT TALKS ABOUT SHARED PARKING. WE TALKED ABOUT PARKING GARAGES, AND SO WE WOULD THEN APPLY THAT REDUCTION TO THOSE MULTI FAMILY UNITS. BUT AGAIN, IT'S BASED OFF OF THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. UM YOU KNOW , 111 PARKING SPACE FOR ONE BEDROOM OR ETCETERA. FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT JUST SO I'M CLEAR, SO I READ THROUGH THE PLANT PD 1 19, AND I WAS MAKING A FEW NOTES ON IT JUST IN TERMS OF PARKING, SO I UNDERSTAND THE MATH. SO SECTION SECTION G SUBSECTION TWO A TOWN HOME USES ARE CONCERNED PARKING MAY NOT BE SHARED SO THAT REDUCTION CAME BETWEEN THE BLEND OF MIXED USE OF RETAIL IN APARTMENT OR DID THAT REDUCTION COME FROM? BECAUSE IT'S NOT TOWN HOMES RIGHT AGAIN. WE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE THAT LIVE WORK PLAY WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK THROUGH AN URBAN AND THAT WAS WHAT THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT AS WELL. WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE. WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TOWN HOMES, TOO. BE INCORPORATED IN THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO START PARKING ALONG THERE OR HAVE A REDUCTION ON THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MEETS OUR TOWN OF FROST FURS, ZONING ORDINANCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH YOU KNOW WE DO REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, TO ENCLOSE GARAGES AND THEN WE ALSO REQUIRE TWO PARKING SPACES BEHIND THOSE GARAGES. UM SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS SEPARATE BECAUSE THAT'S SORT OF A SEPARATE DISTRICT. UM AND SO THAT WAS THE INTENT, AND I CAN HAVE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND THAT TO THE AFRICAN AS WELL AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE WAY THAT APPLIES WITH APARTMENTS GOING TO APARTMENT IS BASED ON BEDROOMS. I THINK H AND A HALF VERSUS TWO, SO THIS IS TWO FOR ALL TOWN HOMES, REGARDLESS OF SIZE OR SCALE, OR DOES THAT CHANGE BASED UPON BEDROOM SQUARE FOOTAGE? NUMBER FOUR BASED ON ALL TOWN HOMES AND THEN TO, UM SPACES BEHIND THOSE GARAGES FOR MANEUVERING HOOKER HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN 625 UNITS BECAUSE I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY IT WAS 500 UNITS, ANOTHER 125 IN THERE. I THINK WHAT WE HAD WE HAD THE DENSITY THAT WAS LISTED, NOT THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF UNITS AND THAT WAS REQUESTED FROM COUNCILS THAT THEY MADE THE MODIFICATION. SO I THINK WE HAD IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. WHERE IT SAID A LISTED OF IT WAS LIKE 33 UNITS PER ACRE OR SOMETHING I THOUGHT, BUT WE SWITCHED IT TO WHERE IT ACTUALLY GIVES A NUMBER OF UNITS PRESENTED AND THAT WAS REQUESTED. AND I'M GONNA LET THE APPLICANT UM TALK TO YOU ON A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT AS WELL. 
          THE SO THE RATIONALE IS ONE PARKING SPOT PER BEDROOM. I WOULD SAY A MASTER BEDROOM ALTER THAT AT ALL. IF YOU HAVE A HUSBAND AND WIFE, BOTH OF THEM DRIVE THAT'S TWO CARS. WOULD WOULD THAT SORT OF FACTOR INTO THAT. THAT LITTLE IN ORDINANCES , TALKS ABOUT NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AND REQUIRES NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. AND I GOT ONE LAST ONE AS FAR AS IT THE TOWN HOMES, OR IS THIS THE SAME LIKE WHEN WE WERE CALLING SOME OF THE TOWN HOMELESS ACTUALLY RENTAL APARTMENT. THESE ARE GOING TO BE FOR SALE. WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE YES FOR ALL TOWN HOMES. 
          WHATEVER TERM WE USE, THEY ARE NOT FOR RENT AT ALL. CORRECT YES , AND I THINK THERE'S THERE AND I CAN. I CAN REFER TO THE APPLICANT, BUT I THINK THERE WAS LANGUAGE ON THERE THAT SAID FOR SO OR LEASE WELL FROM SOUTH FOR SALE ONLY. YEAH BECAUSE THEN IF IT'S RENTAL, IT TURNS INTO A MULTI FAMILY THINK WHAT WE'RE ALL CONCERNED WITH IS THE CONCEPTUAL LOOKED UNBELIEVABLE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE ALL LIKE. WE'RE BEEN OVER BACKWARDS NOW, AS WE DIVE DEEPER INTO THIS, WE FIGURED OUT THAT LIKE YOU JUST SAID A SECOND AGO. YES WE CAN BUILD UP TO THE 12 STORY APART OR OFFICE BUILDING. BUT IF THEY WANTED TO, THEY COULD DO A ONE STORY THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANTED. 
          WHAT WE SAW IS WHAT WE WANTED AND NOW, BUT THERE'S SO MANY KIND OF LIKE I WOULDN'T SAY HIDDEN BUT THEY'RE SAYINGS IN THE TEXT THAT THEY'VE GOT AN OPEN KIND OF PLATFORM THAT THEY CAN MANIPULATE THIS WHOLE PD THE WAY THEY WANT TO, UNLESS WE DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY AND HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. BECAUSE THE CONCEPTUAL WE LOVED RIGHT. I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT. BUT IF THEY COME BACK AND TWEET THINGS THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT HAPPENED TO US THAT VICTORY TO UP AT AT PRESTON ROAD AND 14 61 WHAT WE LEARNED FROM IT, WE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL OF THESE POINTS DURING OUR LAST MEETING, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT IT. AT THE END OF 
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THE DAY, THOUGH THOSE POINTS DID NOT GET INCLUDED IN OUR APPROVED MOTION. AND PERHAPS THEY NEEDED TO BE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC BECAUSE I THINK AND AGAIN SPEAKING ON MY BEHALF HERE WE LOVE THE PICTURES WE WANTED. THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED. JUST LIKE THAT. BUT NOW WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THE WORDING HERE IS IF THAT DOESN'T COME TO REALITY, WE KNOW THIS THING SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE BEING REALITY. WE GOT TO MAKE SURE ALL THESE WARNINGS RIGHT? BECAUSE I MEAN THE WAY IT IF THEY COULD LOOK JUST LIKE THE VISUALS. I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOOD, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET THE WORDING RIGHT ON IT. SO YEAH, NO . AND AGAIN THIS IS THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANS FOR. I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE GET. YOU KNOW MORE THAN HAPPY AND WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT KIND OF COME UP AND DISCUSS, UM, KIND OF HEARING SOME OF THE FEEDBACK AND SOME OF THE BUT THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, PROVISIONS IN THERE THAT SAYS THE MINIMUM OF TWO STORIES. YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THAT IN PDS WHERE WE'RE GOING. WE DON'T WE DON'T. WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT SINGLES. I MEAN, THEY CAN BUILD A SINGLE STORY RIGHT NOW. AS FAR AS FOR OUR COMMERCIAL ZONING, THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING IS. RIGHT NOW THEY CAN GO IN AND SUBMIT A SITE PLAN OR PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN THAT WILL BE ON THE CONCERNING GENDER WITH ONE STORY. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE IT'S A CONCERN WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THAT URBAN FORUM BASED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT YOU ALL HAVE FAR THEN YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT WORDING FOR A MINIMUM TWO STORIES AND THEN THREE STORIES AGAIN. I THINK WHAT AND ALL OF THE AFRICAN BUT IT JUST IT WAS JUST ALLOW FLEXIBILITY FOR THE APPLICANT. SO THAT'S WHERE THEY REQUESTED. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          GOTTA TURN IT ON. THAT HELPS. UM TO MAKE A SORT OF LIKE I SAID, JUST AN EXAMPLE EXCEPTION, SORT OF AN EXCEPTION IF WE WANTED TO SAY THAT IT COULDN'T BE LESS THAN AND COULDN'T COULDN'T EXCEED THEN. ARE WE ABLE TO GET THAT TYPE OF SPECIFIC IF WE WANTED TO BE IN OUR MOTIONS OR IN OUR APPROVALS TO BE THAT SPECIFIC IF WE PREVENT? HEY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU SOME FLOORS TO MOVE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU BACK DOWN TO ONE AND AGAIN. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD OR WOULDN'T DO. I'M JUST TRYING TO USE MORE THAN WELCOME TO ADD A PROVISION THAT SAYS AT LEAST YOU KNOW, TWO STORIES OR NO MORE THAN EIGHT. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. WHATEVER YOU THINK THE PROVISION SHOULD BE AND AGAIN. THIS IS WHERE THIS IS NOT A VOTE TODAY. THIS IS WHERE YOU HAD THE CONCERNS AND WE CAN PREPARE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. HMM. I WAS JUST GOING TO FINISH THE SLIDE, BUT I MEAN, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS HAPPY TO. UH UM. I JUST WANT TO. I WANT TO START GETTING DOWN TO SORT OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND. ONE. I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO DIRECT THE CONVERSATION. BUT JUST, YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE FOR THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO JUST GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY FIRST. SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER PROCEDURAL CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE BOUND TO HAVE THIS EVENING. UM AND KIND OF UNDERSTAND. OKAY. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE WHAT IS IT THAT I THINK FOR ME? THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU ALL DEEMED COST? PROHIBITIVE IF WE WERE TO SAY TO YOU OKAY, LOOK, WE NEED TO SAY A REDUCTION IN SAY 100 UNITS HERE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE THAT MIGHT BE AT THAT POINT, YOUR THRESHOLD WOULD BE NO LESS THAN X NUMBER OF UNITS. THESE ARE THE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS I'M SURE YOU KNOW WE WOULD NEED TO COME TO YOU WITH. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE AMONGST EACH OTHER FOR STAFF. 
          THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO SIT THROUGH THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION. WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS UP AGAIN. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TIME TO COME BACK BEFORE US AND PRESENT. UM YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T KNOW. I FIGURE WE CAN JUST IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS , LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET OUR QUESTIONS OUT OF THE WAY. AND THEN AFTER THAT WE CAN WE CAN HAVE OUR CONVERSATION. HELLO. IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BRAIN NO, I THINK I MEAN, THAT'S ONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SLIDES YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THE APPLICANTS HERE AND THIS IS A WORKING SESSION. THAT'S ALL IT IS. SO THERE'S NO FORMAL PROCEDURE. THANK YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OTHER WORK SESSIONS AFTER THIS, SO I THINK RELATIVE TO THE BEST THING WE CAN DO ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN AND THE APPLICANT IS HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS OUT THERE AND OKAY, WE GET ANSWERS. NOT GREAT IF IT'S DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH I WAS JUST GONNA WANT THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO BE INFORMED . SO I CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SOME. YEAH NO. AND I YEAH, DEFINITELY . REALLY. THE ONE THING THAT WAS A REVISED WAS TRIGGERS. UM AND THE P D NOW TRIGGERS ARE ADDED ONTO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BELIEVE IT'S THAT FIRST EXHIBIT IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AGAIN. 50% OF THE TOWN HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT OR NEED TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. PRIOR TO ANY WORK THAT'S IN THE HIGHWAY SUBDISTRICT. SO AGAIN, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN P AND Z. 
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THEY DID INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE P D. UM AND THAT'S REALLY I MEAN, AGAIN. ALL I REALLY HAD WAS JUST THE MULTI FAMILY, UM, CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HAD FROM STAFF AS EVERYONE'S WELL AWARE IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM AGAIN WHAT THE FUTURE LINE USED AND WHAT YOU KNOW, THE COMPLAINT MENTIONS ABOUT. THIS IS OUR MOST INTENSE LAND USES. AND UM, THIS IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, 12 STORIES FOR OFFICES AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE, UM, ENCOURAGED FOR THIS AREA. AND THEN THE LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WAS JUST THE DESIGN TOY DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. UM, AND THE CRITERIA THAT WAS MENTIONED, AND SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UM, I'LL IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO PASS IT ON TO THE APPLICANT QUICK WITH THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY GUIDELINES AND DOES ANYTHING IN THIS CURRENTLY OR AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED. IS ANYTHING UM, OUTSIDE OF THOSE GUIDELINES DOES THE ENTIRE PROJECT AS WRITTEN NOT AS UM, PROPOSING THE CONCEPT IS ANYTHING AS WRITTEN EXCEED OUR DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY GUIDELINES EXCEED OR DOES NOT MEET? MM WELL THE DALLAS TOLLWAY DESIGN GUIDELINES HAVE ABOUT 100 THINGS IN THERE. UM SO CAN I SAY THAT THEY FOLLOWED EVERYTHING NOW? BUT DID THEY FOLLOW A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE DOLLARS NORTH DESIGN GUIDELINES? YES UM, THERE DID THEY FOLLOW ALL THE USES THAT WERE PERMITTED? NO BUT THEY DID PICK CERTAIN ONES THAT THEY FELT THAT THEY WANTED TO GET OUT MORE THAN HAPPY TO REFER. THE APPLICANT ON WHAT THEY THOUGHT. 
          AND WHY ARE THEY PICK CERTAIN THINGS? AND LIKE I SAID, UM, FROM, UM, COMMISSIONER CHARLES. 
          I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO EMPHASIZE THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS SORT OF, MAYBE EVEN PROVIDE LIKE A COMPARISON CHARTS. EXACTLY YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY CREATED. UM SO THAT WAY ANY ZONING ITEMS FOR FUTURE ITEMS YOU'RE GOING TO KIND OF JUST BE LIKE BAM, BAM! BAM! THIS IS WHAT WE REQUIRE. THIS IS WHAT AND SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THAT YET, BUT MORE THAN HAPPY TO EMPHASIZE THAT ON THE NEXT ONE AND REFERRED THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS SPECIFICALLY WHICH AREAS IN THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY GUIDELINES ARE NOT MET. BY THIS PARTICULAR UM, UH, SUBMISSION. OKAY EACH ONE SO THAT WE CAN THEN DETERMINE BASED UPON EACH ONE OF THOSE ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? BASED ON ALL THE OTHER PIECES OF THE SUBMISSION? BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP OUT A LOT. UM BECAUSE IF IT FITS WITHIN THE DALLAS IT FITS WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES IF IT FITS WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF THIS THAT I WOULD FEEL I COULD FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IF I KNOW THAT IT'S FITTING WITHIN OUR APPROVED GUIDELINES, WHICH WE APPROVED TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT WASN'T LIKE IT WAS EARLY EARLY LAST YEAR. YEAH SO BUT LAST YEAR, RIGHT? SO, UM UH, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT EVEN OUT OF CUBA EVERY Q 1 2023, SO I THINK WE'RE STILL THOSE ARE STILL RELATIVELY RECENT GUIDELINES APPROVED BY COUNCIL. SO YEAH, I FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE. IF WE CAN KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT AREA AND THEN WE COULD EVEN SAY THIS MEETS 80% OF THE GUIDELINES AND THEN WE CAN FOCUS IN ON THAT 20% AND HOW COMFORTABLE YOU ARE WITH THAT MORE THAN HAPPY TO EMPHASIZE THAT ON THE NEXT ON THE TRIGGER. ONE MORE THIS TRIGGERS HERE. 
          THIS. TALK ABOUT? I DON'T KNOW IF WE TALK THROUGH THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS DOWN BEING PROPOSED THAT YES, CONSIDERED ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT THIS YES . SO THE APPLICANT REVISED THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. I BELIEVE IT'S ON PAGE TWO OF THE DEVELOPMENT CENTERS. THAT'S WHERE THE TRIGGERS OCCUR BECAUSE THAT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL. THAT WAS NOT AN ORIGINAL. YOU'RE CORRECT. SO THEY DID. UM I KNOW YOU ALL MENTIONED TRIGGERS THINK THERE WAS ALMOST A VOTE ON IT FOR TRIGGERS, BUT THEY DID PUT 50% AND AGAIN THE WHOLE TOWN WAS TO SORT OF GET SOME MORE RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOMES START CREATING THAT TRANSITION FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST BEFORE MOVING TOWARDS THE EAST. HEY DID ONE MORE QUESTION WHEN WE GET TO THE DEVELOPER, BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY TOWNS RECOMMENDATION. OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR DENIAL. WE'RE NOT VOTING TODAY, BUT WAS THAT SOLELY BASED ON UNITS? MASONRY PARKING? WAS IT THOSE KIND OF THREE BUCKETS OR WHAT WAS THE TOWN? REALLY IT'S MORE ON JUST A CONCERN OF THE CAPACITY THAT THE TOWN OF PROSPER HAS, UM AS FAR AS FOR THE PARKING, UM, AGAIN, WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE 20% REDUCTION. UM BUT REALLY, IT WAS MAINLY PER THE COMP PLAN, AND PER THE, UM THE CAPACITY THAT THE TOWN HAS OKAY. CAN'T PLAN PERTAINS TO IT. SO BASED UPON THE DECISION COUNCIL MAKES OR WHERE WE LAND WITH THIS . THIS WILL BE ADAPTED VIA THE CURRENT COMP PLAN. OKAY CURRENTLY IN, UM IN PLAY, OR THE NEW ONE THAT WE'RE AMENDING CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, WHERE DOES THAT FALL IN TERMS OF GRANDFATHER EXISTING OR NEW COMPLAINT? SO AGAIN? THE 
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COMPLAINTS ARE GUIDED DOCUMENT RIGHT, SO THE COMPLAINT JUST MENTIONS A LOT OF DIFFERENT GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS FOR STAFF FOR PNG AND FOR COUNCIL AND SO, UM, YES. IF THIS WAS TO GET ADOPTED, UM YOU KNOW, EVEN LET'S SAY ME, IT WOULD STILL FOLLOW FOR UNDER THE 2012 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN WE UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THE 2023 CONFERENCE A PLAN IT'S NOT LIKE THIS PROPERTY IS UNDER THAT. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, GRANDFATHERED INTO THE 2012. 
          IT'S EVERYTHING GETS UPDATED. THIS IS OUR NEW DOCUMENT FOR THE TOWN, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT, UM, IT WOULD IT WOULD GET A POTENTIALLY CONSIDERED UNDER THE 2012. BUT IF THE 23 GETS ADOPTED , AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD BE FOLLOWING CURIOUS TO KNOW A LOT OF THESE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PERTAINS TO THIS WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR IN OUR INITIAL MEETING. AH! SOME OF THE THINGS JUST GIVING FURTHER GUIDELINES AND PARAMETERS FOR US. AND ALSO JUST LOOKS LIKE A CONTEXT AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THIS OUR PREVIOUS CAP ON THE NUMBER OF MULTI FAMILY UNITS WAS 64 20 SOMETHING, UH. WHAT WAS IT? I DON'T SEE IT HERE, BUT SOMEWHERE AROUND A LITTLE UNDER 6500 TOTAL UNITS RIGHT SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA. THAT WAS BEFORE WE HAVE ALREADY EXCEEDED THAT ALLOTMENT RIGHT AND THE NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED. SINCE THEN. CORRECT SO WE'RE EITHER AT CAPACITY OR WE ARE EXCEEDING THAT CAPACITY. SO AND THAT WAS THAT WAS ALREADY DONE. IT WAS ALREADY EXCEEDED PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY GUIDELINES. THAT WAS THAT'S CORRECT. AND IN THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY GUIDELINES. THERE WAS LANGUAGE AROUND MULTI FAMILY IN ADDITIONAL MULTI FAMILY UNITS AND HOW THEY WOULD HOW THEY SHOULD FIT SNUG. WHAT STANDARDS THEY SHOULD FIT AND ALL THAT, RIGHT? YES THERE'S CRITERIA FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. SO IN ESSENCE, WE HAD ALREADY COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE WILL EXCEED OUR CAP. ONCE WE PASSED THOSE GUIDELINES, RIGHT IN A SENSE, OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE PUT HIM IN THERE. WE WOULD HAVE PUT NO GOT NO GUIDELINES FROM MIXED OR FOR, UM MULTI FAMILY UNITS ARE RIGHT. YEAH. SO DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA? AROUND. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADING WITH THE, UM WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA AROUND THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT OR WILL THERE BE A NEW CAB? THAT'S ONE IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT THERE WILL BE A NEW CAP? AND IF SO, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT NEW CAT WILL FALL? SO THEN, AT LEAST WE CAN SORT OF PUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND PERSPECTIVE WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT IS PROPOSING. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE JUST STARTED THE COM PLAN AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO PASS OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE ON THE BOARD. WE HAVE STARTED THE YOU KNOW, THE UPDATE TO THE COM PLAN TALKED ABOUT SORT OF SOME OF OUR GOALS, SOME OF OUR VISION STATEMENTS, BUT AS FAR AS FOR MARKET DEMAND, OR AS FAR AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE HAD WE HAVE NOT GENERATED THAT NUMBER OR HAS BEEN RELEASED TO THE TOWN. UM AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE. WE JUST HAD OUR FIRST KICK OFF MEETING AND LENGTH AND A HALF AGO, SO WE'LL HAVE OUR SECOND KICK OFF MEETING PRETTY SOON. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT THE COMP PLAN ORIGINAL COM PLAN EVEN MENTIONED WHERE TANTRUMS ARE AUTONOMOUS BONSAI FAMILY SHOULD BE. IT SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE TOLLWAY, UM AND THEN EVEN TALKS ABOUT A LITTLE BIT. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THIS LITTLE, UM, AREA THIS LITTLE SNIP THAT I GOT FROM THERE. I MEAN, THERE'S CRITERIA THAT EVEN TALKS ABOUT MIXED USING VERTICAL USE. ARE SORRY. VERTICAL OR HORIZONTAL MIXED USE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BECAUSE AGAIN IT IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT. I MEAN, IT DIDN'T MENTION ABOUT CAP OF NUMBER OF APARTMENTS. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE PNG IN COUNCIL GET TOGETHER AND THEY COULD POTENTIALLY APPROVE. NUMBER OF UNITS THAT MAYBE POTENTIALLY EXCEED THAT NUMBER. THAT'S WHY I WOULD PUT A HALT ITS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DID THE COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE, WE'RE LIKE WHAT CAN THE TOWN OF PROSPEROUS SUPPORT? YOU KNOW ARE WE SHOULD WE CAP IT OFF AT WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. SHOULD WE ALLOW MORE? UM AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT RIGHT NOW. AS FAR AS FOR THE MARKET ANALYSIS AND ALL THAT INFORMATION AND WE TALKED TO YOU AREN'T I DON'T THINK YOU'RE IN WE DID TALK IN THE JOINT STAFF IS DO WE EVEN NEED A CAB? AND SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AROUND IS THE CAPITAL NEEDED TO START TO LOOK AT AND DEFINE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO TARGET THEM. SO YOU MIGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. YOU MISSED SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT WAS GOING TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMMON PLAN OR INTO SOME DESIGNS TO SAY. IS IT MORE ABOUT LOCATION? WHERE WERE WHERE WERE MORE OPEN TO THEM THAN JUST A WRONG NUMBER? BUT WE'RE GONNA GET THAT MARKET ANALYSIS DETERMINED. HERE'S MY DEAL, AND I'M GONNA BE REAL BLUNT. UM, YOU KNOW WHEN WE WERE PRESENTED. 
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ORIGINALLY THIS THIS PLAN, IT WAS 500 UNITS IN THEIR TEXT. IT SHOWS THEY PUT 800 PLUS UNITS. 
          WHAT I DON'T LIKE AND I DON'T APPRECIATE IS WHEN PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE HERE AND THEY WANT TO COME AND DEVELOP HERE FOR THEIR GAIN AND THEIR VALUE AND THEY PUT SOMETHING OUT, I'LL TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY THAT I DIDN'T READ THE TEXT ENOUGH. BUT THEY WANT TO MANIPULATE AND DO A SHELL GAME. I'M NOT GONNA PUT UP WITH THAT VICTORY DID THAT TO US A COUPLE OF TIMES AND THEY'RE STILL DOING IT UP THERE, IN MY OPINION, AND THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME. AND SO NOW I'M GONNA GO BACK THROUGH THIS. I'M GONNA BE A HARD. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE MY FRENCH. BUT IF THEY SAY ONE THING, AND THEY GOT A HIDDEN IN THE TEXT I'M DOWN. I'M NOT DOWN WITH THIS AT ALL. YEAH. 
          I THINK AGAIN, I THINK REALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT. 
          AND I THINK THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. AND YES, IT MAY INDICATE 500 UNITS ON THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT THAT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS WHAT'S GOING TO GET STAMPED. WHAT'S GOING TO GO GET FIRED. SO AGAIN , PLEASE LOOK AT THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU DO HAVE FROM NOW. UNTIL THEN. WE DO HAVE SOME TIME WE HAVE THE JOINT SESSION. WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT YES, I AGREE WITH YOU. PLEASE LOOK AT THAT QUESTION. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. THIS IS ALL I WANT TO SAY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IF I'M TO UNDERSTAND HERE, IT SAYS A MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE OF 835 UNITS, RIGHT? THERE WERE TWO DISCREPANCIES THAT I NOTICED, BUT THIS IS ONE. I THINK THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED RIGHT 835 UNITS MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE. HOWEVER, IN THE CONCEPTUAL DOCUMENT, THERE WAS 500. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT? WHY THE DISCREPANCY IN THE CONCEPTUAL LIKE WHAT? THAT'S A HECK OF A BUFFER. I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND GOING FROM 500 TO MAYBE HAVING AN EXTRA 100 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S A THAT'S A 335 UNIT BUFFER. SO ONE I WOULD I WOULD JUST WANT TO KNOW. WHY WHY THE NEED FOR THAT LARGE OF A BUFFER. AH AND THEN I ALSO THERE WAS ANOTHER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT. I THINK THE ALLOWABLE UNITS IN THE SO THAT THOSE ARE THE TOWN HOMES, I THINK WAS 44 IN THE CONCEPT CONCEPTUAL PIECE, BUT IN THE TEXT, IT HAS A MAXIMUM 60. 
          UH IF YOU ADD THAT THOSE ADDITIONAL 16 TOWN HOMES BASED ON THE SORT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU HAVE LAID OUT HERE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ELIMINATE THAT RETAIL. I WOULD THINK IN THAT AREA. AH TO FIT THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT IN SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE WILLING TO DO? BECAUSE THAT CHANGES THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT. IF YOU JUST TOTALLY REMOVED THE RETAIL FROM IT, FILL IT WITH THOSE TOWN HOMES. IF YOU DO GO TO THE MAXIMUM UM, AND THEN I WOULD THINK THAT SINCE YOU'RE BUILDING 50% YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD 50% TO START OFF. YOU NEED TO KNOW RELATIVELY EARLY, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH THE RETAIL OR NOT. BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO START BUILDING THAT RETAIL AT SOME POINT. AND THAT ELIMINATES YOUR ABILITY TO PUT IN THE ADDITIONAL 16 TOWN HOMES , SO I'M I DIDN'T I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO PEPPER A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO REPOS THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THE FIRST ONE TO KIND OF ECHO COMMISSIONER PETTIS. I WOULD JUST WANT TO KNOW THE REASON FOR THAT. 335 UNIT BUFFER . AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT THE OTHER PIECE. I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS, TOO, BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NOLAN BRADSHAW ADDRESS FOR 770 BRAND URBAN COURT SUITE 200. 
          FORT WORTH, TEXAS. 761 OF SEVEN. APPRECIATE YOU HAVING HERE TONIGHT. JOIN THE DISCUSSION. 
          BUT. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST NO WORRIES FAR AWAY THE SO THAT THEY'RE STARTING OFF THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL. UM UH, VISUAL THAT YOU PROVIDED SHOWS 500. SO IT'S 500 UNITS BUT IN THE TEXT IT SAYS 835 UNITS THROUGH THE HIGHWAY SUBDISTRICT. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT IN THE TEXAS AND MEAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT MANY, BUT IT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DO THAT TO DO THAT. I JUST I'M CURIOUS OF WHITE ADDITIONAL 335 UNITS. THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE FROM WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. SO IF WE IF WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN WE HAD, I THINK SOMEWHERE BETWEEN AROUND 752 800 UNITS TOTAL OF MULTI FAMILY, SO PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CONDOMINIUMS. AND PART OF IT'S GOING TO BE THE APARTMENTS AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE REVISED TEXT DEFINED WHAT CONDOMINIUM IS AND ONE APARTMENT IS FOR THE SAKE OF THE DOCUMENT. UM THROUGH SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS AFTER THE ORIGINAL PNC MEETING. WE WERE 
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CHARGED WITH. KIND OF VETTING WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE WOULD BE APARTMENTS AND WHAT WOULD BE CONDOS. SO THAT'S A RISK DECISION. I THINK WE STARTED OUT WITH AROUND 500 APARTMENT UNITS , AND I THINK NOW WE'RE SHOWING MAYBE AROUND 600. SO WE ONLY HAD ABOUT 100 UNITS SWING ON THE APARTMENTS AS DEFINED IN THE DOCUMENT. THE REST ARE FOR SELL CONDOS. WHICH WOULD GET TO THE 800 UNITS. SO ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THAT IF THERE'S 835 UNITS PROPOSED 75% OF APARTMENTS AT 626 UNITS COULD BE APARTMENTS. CORRECT CORRECT. WHAT IF WE SAID HEY, WE LIKE THIS, BUT WE JUST WANT TO TELL THEM 500, MULTI FAMILY. CAN YOU GUYS MAKE THAT WORK OR NOT? I GOT TO LOOK INTO IT. UNDERSTAND WHAT Y'ALL'S MATH WAS SHOWING ON THERE, AND. CASA CLARIFYING QUESTION IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF UNITS, SO IT'S IN OUR PACKET. IT'S GOT THE TWO IMAGES HERE AND IT'S GOT THE QUANTITY ACROSS THE BOTTOM WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DOES THE TOTAL FOOTAGE ALIGN WITH WHAT WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT, I KNOW UNIT SHIFTED, BUT IN TERMS OF, UH AGAIN, THIS IS VERY SMALL FONT, BUT IT'S GOT IT LISTED BY BUILDING. NUMBER OF FOOTAGE. HOW MUCH IS THAT CHANGE FROM THE INITIAL AND WE SAW? HMM. WELL, THE GOAL ALL ALONG IS TO ACHIEVE A ONE FLOOR AREA RATIO. SO WE HAVE A MILLION AND A HALF SQUARE FEET OF LAND. AND WE WANT TO DEVELOP A MILLION AND A HALF SQUARE FEET AND NET RENTABLE SPACE. IN ORDER TO CREATE THE MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT WE WANTED ABOUT A 50 50 SPLIT BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES. SO THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA HASN'T REALLY SHIFTED MUCH. WE'RE STILL AT ONE F A. R. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT MAY HAVE SHIFTED WAS THE ALLOCATION OF HOW WE'RE DEFINING CONDOMINIUMS AND APARTMENTS. 
          THAT WAS THE MAIN THING WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT SO I THINK WE'RE STILL AT 400,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE. UM ABOUT 200 KEYS OF HOTEL UNITS. SO. I THINK FOR THE SAKE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS. IT'S REALLY JUST DEFINING. WHAT A MULTI FAMILY HERE IT IS. AND THEN FURTHER DEFINING WHAT A CONDO AND APARTMENT IS, AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAIN BREATH. THE CHANGES HAS OCCURRED. OKAY SO WE PICKED UP ROUGHLY 100 APARTMENT UNITS WITHIN TOOK FROM THE CONDOMINIUM UNITS, OR WE'RE JUST FURTHER TO FIND BECAUSE OF THE FOOTAGES ARE SAYING THAT WE CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE APARTMENTS OR WHAT DO WE CHANGE TO GET THAT? THAT DELTA SO WITH WHAT THEY NEED DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY WITHIN OUR PLAN. UM TWO AND WE TRIED TO GET MORE REFINED IN THE DOCUMENT BY SAYING, OKAY, WELL, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THOSE APARTMENTS AND CONDOS ARE GOING TO BE TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM, ONE BEDROOM STUDIO. SO ON AND SO FORTH. AH! IT'S UNCLEAR TO US AT THE MOMENT IF WE KIND OF EXPAND AND CONTRACT AS LONG AS WE STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AND COMMUNICATING THE TOWN. YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER OF UNITS BETWEEN 506 100 COULD SHIFT DEPEND ON THE SIZE IS AND HOW IT WORKS OUT. ON THE PLAN. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE DETAIL YET, OKAY? AND WE'D REALLY HAVE TO GET INTO LIKE A DESIGN DEVELOPMENT LEVEL SET OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BEFORE THAT FULLY MANIFEST ITSELF. UM SORRY, BUT. IF IT'S NOT MAX 500 UNITS, APARTMENTS. I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW BEING REAL CLEAR. THAT'S WHAT YOU CAME OUT AND TOLD US NOW IT'S A MOVING TARGET. NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 23 BEDROOMS. YEAH IF IT'S NOT IF IT'S MORE THAN 500 UNITS, I'M OUT SO THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. 
          SO ON THE TRIGGERS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'LL MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS ON THE TRIGGERS THERE. IS THAT, YOU KNOW TO THINK THERE WERE NO TRIGGERS INITIALLY. NOW IT'S GOT 50% THAT'S DEVELOPED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT. IS THAT. I'M ASKING HYPOTHETICALS. 
          THIS IS A WORK SESSION. SO WHAT IF WE SAID HEY, 75% PLUS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? YOUR DEVELOPER, EVERYBODY. THAT CAME UP AS A DISCUSSION POINT WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING THE TRIGGER. AND, UH, IT'S REALLY A TIMING CONSTRAINTS. AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD GET THROUGH. 50% OF THE TOWN HOMES AND ABOUT A YEAR TO 18 MONTHS. IF WE STARTED A NEW START ON A NEW BUILDING EVERY MONTH MONTH AND A HALF UM WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS CREATE A THREE YEAR TIMELINE. BASICALLY 
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DOUBLING THAT RATE OF DEVELOPMENT OF VELOCITY. BEFORE WE COULD START THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR. SO WE SAID, WELL, WHAT'S THE MAIN GOAL HERE IS TO GET SOME BUILDINGS UP IN FRONT TO BUFFER THE COMMERCIAL FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET. IF WE CAN GET BASICALLY A LINE OF BUILDINGS 50% OF THEM, THEN WE'VE AT LEAST ACHIEVE THAT. IN ORDER TO START SOONER. THE COMMERCIAL AREA. SORRY JUST TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDISTRICT, THE TOWN HOMES. UM AND CORRECT ME FROM IF I MISREAD ANY OF THIS. 
          THERE ARE 44 THAT WERE ON THE CONCEPTUAL PIECE THAT YOU PRESENTED. YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE, I BELIEVE OF 60. WHAT IS. SO THE RETAIL SPACE THAT YOU HAVE PLANNED. IS COULD POTENTIALLY GO AWAY. OR WOULD YOU MAKE THE TALENT THE EXISTING TOWN HOME SMALLER TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL? LIKE WHAT? WHAT WOULD BE THE HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THE 60 IF YOU DID HAVE THAT? HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THAT WORK? SO RIGHT NOW. WE'RE SHOWING 44. YEAH. WE LAID HIM OUT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF. NOT ACCESS BUT GAVE US ALL. GIVE YOURSELF SOME ROOM TO EXPAND AND CONTRACT ON THE PLAN. SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU SAY EXPAND AND CONTRACT EXPANDING CONTRACTS SAY IN THE EACH OF THE SPACE EACH OF THE TOWN HOME MAYBE THE YARD SIZE BACKYARD SIZE WERE WITS BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. SO I THINK THE TOWN HAS A 10 UNIT PER ACRE. UM TOWN HOME REQUIREMENT. AND IT CAME UP AND CONVERSATIONS WILL DO YOU REALLY NEED 10 UNITS PER ACRE? BECAUSE THAT'S CLOSER TO 100. TOWN HOMES WERE LIKE, NO, WE DON'T NEED THAT. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE OURSELVES A ROOM TO MOVE IF WE NEEDED TO. I THINK THE FIRST SALE PRODUCT WOULD BE DESIRABLE ONE OR ANOTHER, BUT UM , YEAH, IT'S BASICALLY A FUNCTION TO ALLOW US TO EXPAND FROM SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 44 60. YOU KNOW WHERE WE HIT 60? PROBABLY NOT. BUT AT LEAST WE CAN ONCE WE GET INTO THE DETAIL OF OUR PLAT AND DECIDE WHAT THE PROPERTY LINES AND THE WITS NEED TO BE, UM, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A FEW MORE UNITS IF WE NEED THEM. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER PIECES TO THAT. SO THE RETAILS SPACES NON NEGOTIABLE THAT'S GOING TO STAY. 
          YOU'LL JUST MOVE THE SIZE AND THE SPACING AND ALL THE OTHER PIECES OF THE ACTUAL OF THE TOWN HOME THEMSELVES TO ACCOMMODATE IT. BUT THE RETAIL SPACE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. YEAH WE FEEL LIKE THE RETAILER'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. THANK YOU, OKAY. I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST. I THINK THE RETAIL THAT'S VASTLY MORE IMPORTANT IS THE ONE AROUND THE TOWN SQUARE AND THAT'S IN THE HOTEL IN THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ALL KIND OF CREATING THAT CENTRAL FOCAL POINT. I'D SAY THE RETAIL LONG SHINY IS A VALUE ADD, BUT A SECONDARY VALUE HAD TOTALLY AGREE, I THINK, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THAT THAT THE UNITS ARE LAID OUT YOU KNOW, I'M GUESSING I THINK WE SAID WHAT A MINIMUM OF 1000 SQUARE FEET THAT INCLUDES FRONT BACKYARD AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE IN THE ACTUAL TOWN HOME. UH THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT HERE, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS REAL SPACIOUS, VERY APPEALING. IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME TO KNOW THAT THIS COULD CHANGE THAT. THESE COULD BE SMALLER THAT THERE COULD BE LESS FRONT YARD. THERE COULD BE LESS BACKYARD. UM TO ACCOMMODATE FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS. LOOKING AT IT, CONCEPTUALLY. YEAH I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT. I THINK IT'S WHAT 10 PER ACRE YOU COULD HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF DISTRICT. AND I THINK YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY AROUND. I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE WITH THE TOTAL NUMBER HERE. EVEN IF YOU WENT TO THE 60, YOU STILL HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE, THOUGH. HERE RIGHT AT THE VERY BOTTOM. YOU STILL HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE THAT YOU COULD FILL UP. SO YOU ALL ARE WAY UNDER THAT. UH SO YEAH, IT WOULD HELP ME AND LOOKING AT THIS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS COULD CHANGE. THESE COULD BE SMALLER. THEY COULD BE TIGHTER. THEY COULD BE CLOSER TOGETHER. I WOULD ADD. DID THE FRONT AND REAR SETBACKS WILL LIKELY NOT CHANGE JUST BECAUSE WE NEED THE REAR SETBACK FOR THE PARKING THE ALLOW FOR THE CARS BEHIND THE GARAGE, WHICH IS A PARKING REFORM. AND THE FRONT SETBACK IS I BELIEVE AROUND 10 FT, WHICH IS ABOUT MINIMUM FOR PLANTING AND GETTING IN FRONT YARD APPEAL. SO I THINK, IF ANYTHING, THE WORDS WOULD BE SOMETHING CHANGED AND EVEN THEN. THE WIDTH OF THE TOWN HOME LOTS AND EVEN THEN, I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY TO BEAT IN EITHER DIRECTION. UM, IT'S NOT A BIG SHIFT. OTHER CONCERTS. I SORT OF WANTED TO STAY. NO, I MEAN THEY . SAY IF YOU HAVE A 22 FT LOT IF 
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YOU HAVE A 20 FT LOT, RIGHT WHEN YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO DO A TOWN HOME. YOU KIND OF WANT TO STAY BETWEEN 22 18 FT, SO BETWEEN 18 AND 22 GIVES YOU A NATURAL LAYOUT FOR THE INSIDE. SO WHEN I SAY IT MIGHT FLUCTUATE TWO FT. NEAR THE DIRECTION I THINK WE'RE SHOWING 20 FT NOW. THEY COULD GET A LITTLE WIDER, A LITTLE SHALLOWER, BUT ONLY BY TWO FT IN EITHER DIRECTION, WHICH OVER 1200 FT. YES. COULD ACCOMMODATE MORE UNITS. MAYBE OKAY. I THINK I THINK ONE. THANK YOU TO BOTH YOU AND DAVID FOR COMING AND EXPLAINING ALL THIS STUFF. I THINK THAT THE THING THAT I KNOW I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS. THIS IS THE SUBSTANTIAL PROJECT OF MASSIVE SCALE ON 40 ACRES OF PRIME PROPERTY AND CORRIDOR. WE DON'T HAVE WE HAVE THREE MILES IS WHEN WE WANT TO GET IT, RIGHT? I THINK ALSO JUST THE COMPLEXITIES OF IT. AND FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THIS ANALOGY MAKES SENSE. BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD YOU A HOUSE IN THIS AREA, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEFINE INTO THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW. SO I'M RELUCTANT AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT VOTING. I'M RELUCTANT TO COMMIT TO THAT HOUSE BEING BUILT WITHOUT KNOWING MORE ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LOT OF AN EAR AT LEAST FOR ME IN TERMS OF UNIT SIZE SCALE. ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU GOING ALONG THE JOURNEY WITH US, BUT THAT THAT THAT'S MY BIGGEST TRIBE. ACCESS FOR THE FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTIES, HEARING A LOT OF THINGS WHERE YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY AGREEING TO OR NOT AGREEING TO. I'M GLAD THE TRIGGERS ARE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. THERE'S A LOT FOR US TO UNPACK. I FEEL LIKE IN TERMS OF QUANTITY OF UNITS. NOT JUST THAT, BUT THE WAY THE SPACE DESIGNED SO FOR ME, IT'S THAT HOUSE ANALOGY OF HEY, HERE'S THE HOUSE, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE OF ALL THESE OTHER THINGS BEFORE GOING ON THIS PATH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING DAVID CAN HELP GIVE US PARAMETERS IN TERMS OF WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          BUT I KNOW WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND WE'RE KIND OF LEARNING AS WE GO WITH THIS. AND TO THAT, DAVID, BEFORE YOU GO. I THINK I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO WHAT WE'VE LEARNED SINCE OUR MEETING ON THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO NOW I THINK A LOT OF US WERE AGAIN VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE PICTURES. AND WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE. AND FRANKLY, I THINK THAT HAD A LOT OF OUR MINDSET AROUND THAT. SO I THINK WHEN YOU DIVE INTO THE DETAILS NOW, AND SOME OF THESE NUMBERS ARE MOVING A LITTLE BIT AND ARE OPEN ENDED MORE THAN WHAT THOSE PICTURES SHOWED. THEN I THINK THERE'S THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH, RIGHT. I THINK SPEAKING AGAIN FOR MYSELF HERE, BUT I THINK IF WHAT THAT WAS SHOWING. KIND OF COULD BECOME REALITY. WITHOUT THESE OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS. HE'S OPENED ITS STATEMENTS. THAT GETS US A LITTLE CLOSER TO MOVING THIS FORWARD, BUT I THINK IF THINGS ARE OPEN IN, AND I THINK, AS ONE FELLOW COMMISSIONER HERE STIPULATED ON THE 835 UNITS, I THINK THAT COULD BE A STICKING POINT. AND UH SO WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE KIND OF GOT TO NARROW THAT DOWN. I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO, DAVID, I'LL LET YOU KINDA SO AGAIN. I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE WE'VE SORT OF BEEN LOOKING AT. 
          AS FAR AS CONCEPTUAL PLANS. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK TO COUNCIL AS FAR AS WE'RE NOT GETTING SUPER DETAILED, BUT ALSO , HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DO GET THE COMMITMENT? OF WHAT'S IN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND LIKE I SAID, THESE DEVELOPMENT CENTERS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SPENT ALMOST FOUR MONTHS ON WITH THE APPLICANT AND FROM WHAT WE STARTED FROM ZERO TO, YOU KNOW A LENGTHY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BECAUSE IF YOU'LL RECALL PD 41 PROSPER WEST OR MATTHEW SOUTHWEST, I MEAN AGAIN. OBVIOUSLY, THE SITUATION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT THAT HAS A LENGTHY, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT STANDARD TO BUILD TWO LINES ARCHITECTURAL. I MEAN, IT DOES DRAW IN A LOT, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF OVER AT RIGHT NOW ON THE STRUGGLE IS THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING SUPER DETAILED IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT WE NEED TO GET DETAILED IN THE IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND THIS IS THE ATTEMPT OF THE 30 PAGES OR 20 PAGES OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND SO THESE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL ARE ASKING. I MEAN, YES, THESE ARE GREAT. AND YOU KNOW WE'RE ANYTHING THAT ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU DO HAVE AS COMMISSIONER AROUND MENTIONED. I MEAN, IF I NEEDED WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AND DO SOME MORE INVESTIGATING ON SIMILAR CITIES, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE MORE THAN HAPPY TO. UM BUT AS FAR AS WHAT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN WE DO HAVE IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, THE SEVEN CRITERIA PEOPLE CAN CHANGE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN. AND SO IF THEY DON'T CHANGE THE DENSITY IF THEY DON'T CHANGE SOMETHING THAT'S LISTENING AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THEN THEY CAN GO UP AND GO AND SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WITH SOME MINOR CHANGES IF THEY DO VALIDATE ANY OTHER SEVEN CHANGES , THEN IT COMES TO YOUR AS A MINOR AMENDMENT. AND WE DID THAT . FOR MATTHEW SOUTHWEST, THERE IS A MIND. REMEMBER THAT CHANGED THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT PLAN. UM SO AGAIN. YEAH, I THINK I THINK THESE ARE ALL GOOD. GOOD. UM OPINIONS AND GOOD SUGGESTIONS AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONTINUE 
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TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AND WE CAN EMPHASIZE WE CAN LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE COULD, UM GO THROUGH. I MEAN EACH OTHER'S SUBDISTRICTS. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO EMPHASIZE IT IN MY POWER POINT. UM JUST THAT WAY YOU CAN GET THESE ANSWERS FOR THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. UM YEAH. UM. BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY AND LISTENING TO THE DEVELOPER. SOME OF THIS IS NOT GONNA BE KNOWN UNTIL WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE NEXT ROUND. HOW DO WE PUT IN CONTROLS LIKE SOMETHING'S IN HERE SAYS, YOU KNOW, APPROVED BY STAFF. WHAT IF WE STRIPPED THAT? WHAT IF WE HOW CAN YOU KNOW? BECAUSE YOU GOT THE SEVEN CRITERIA THAT'S SOME OF THEM ARE PRETTY NARROW AND SOME OF THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE LENIENT. THAT COULD BE FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL. DEPENDING ON A 10% CHANGE. COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL HOW COULD WE LAYER IN THE PD LIKE THE CONCEPTUAL LIKE OKAY, BUT YOU'RE GONNA BRING EVERYTHING. FORWARD AND I'M NOT. I'M USING THAT AS AN ILLUSTRATIVE EXAMPLE. FOR APPROVAL FOR ANY REVISIONS. NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT. THEY'RE JUST THROUGH THE STAFF PROCESS, BUT THEN TO BRING IT BACK HERE FOR YOU KNOW, A SECONDARY REVIEW IS ARE THOSE TYPE OF OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE. I'M THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE GET INTO OUR JOINT WORKING SESSION AND COMING HERE AGAIN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OUR EMPOWERMENT TO YOU KNOW, REALLY PUT SOME MORE CONTROLS ON AS WE INCREMENTAL BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE US FEEL COMFORTABLE THE LAST TIME WAS MAYBE OUR MISUNDERSTANDING. OR MAYBE. PERCEPTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF CONTINUE TO APPROVE AS WE WALKED THROUGH IT. AND GIVEN THIS IS SUCH A MASSIVE PROJECT. I'M JUST TRYING TO MORE AGAIN UNDERSTAND THE EMPOWERMENT THAT WE HAVE COLLECTIVELY TO SAY, ALONG WITH COUNCIL THAT WE REALLY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT IS IN THE PICTURES AND THEN THE NEXT PHASE . WE WANT TO SEE IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S STILL FALLS IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING AND TALK ABOUT THE NEXT CHANGES AND TALK ABOUT LOT SIZES AND HOW IT'S FINALLY PLOTTING OUT AND THEN PROOF. SO WHERE'S OUR EMPOWERMENT? LIMITED TO OR IS THERE ANY YES. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS FIRST THING IS, YES. YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD IN ANY PROVISION THAT TALKS ABOUT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO GO THROUGH PNC AND COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM THE SITE PLAN. 
          PRELIMINARY CYCLONE FACADE PLAN. ALSO BE AWARE THAT EVERYTHING NOW DOES GO TO PNC. EXCEPT FOR SOLID PLANS. PLANS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT DO NOT GO TO. UM UH PNG FOR CONSIDERATION UNLESS THEY'RE NOT MEETING AND ARTICULATION OR THEY'RE NOT MEETING. OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS , BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERY OTHER REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN ARCHITECTURE. SO RIGHT NOW AGAIN, YOU WILL SEE THE PSP. YOU WILL SEE THE SITE PLAN AND IT WOULD EVEN GO TO YOUR NOTICE OF APPEALS FOR COUNCIL. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO SORT OF, I MEAN, EMPHASIZES THAT IT GOES TO COUNSEL MORE. AGAIN JUST LIKE THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD THIS MORNING. I MEAN THIS MORNING THIS AFTERNOON ON THE CONSENT. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THE ZONING AND IF YOU'RE IT, AND YOU CAN PULL THOSE ITEMS AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT HEY, HOW DOES THIS CONFORM TO PD? ETCETERA AND I THINK THAT I THINK, LET ME CLARIFY MY QUESTION, THEN. IT'S MORE ABOUT THE WORDING THE PD, SO LET'S JUST TAKE THE 835 UNITS. MHM UM IN HERE. WHAT IF WE SAID OKAY? WE'RE GOOD WITH IT BEING WORDED LIKE THIS GIVE YOU FLEXIBILITY TO COME BACK WITH THE DESIGN. AND THEN HE COMES BACK AND IT'S 5 75. WELL, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO. IT'S PROBABLY OKAY MIGHT EVEN GET MIKE'S VOTE. BUT IF YOU COME BACK AND SAY IT'S 900 BECAUSE YOU'VE CHANGED SOME THINGS. SO IT'S LIKE I'M TRYING TO LIKE BOXING THE WORDS I'M TRYING TO GET THE WORDS TO BE BOXED INTO LIKE COMMITMENTS. RIGHT NOW, IT'S STRUGGLING IS THAT THE WORDS ARE THE WORDS ALLOW SO MUCH MORE EMPOWERMENT. AND IT'S NOT THAT UNTRUSTWORTHY , SO I DON'T WANT TO COME ACROSS AS UNTRUSTWORTHY. IT'S JUST IT'S SO CRITICAL TO GET THIS FIRST ONE RIGHT? AND SO WE SORT OF WANT TO HAND HOLD IT THROUGH THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE, POTENTIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE CHOICES. WE CAN EITHER SPEND A LOT OF TIME NARROWING DOWN EVERY WORD. AND THEN THEY JUST MIGHT GO FORGET THAT OR GIVE THEM THE FLEXIBILITY AS THEY START TO DESIGN. AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK I'VE HEARD OUR FEEDBACK , BUT THE EMPOWERMENT ALLOWS THEM AT LEAST TO DRAW IT UP THE WAY THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK. BUT RESPECTING THE PROCESS OF IN, COME BACK AND SAY YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT THAT 98% FITS WITH WHAT? WE THOUGHT THE PICTURES LOOK LIKE AND REPRESENTED BECAUSE IT JUST FEELS LIKE THE WORDS ARE IS WHAT'S SCARING US? NOT THE PICTURES. IT'S THE LATITUDE THAT'S GETTING GIVEN. AND SO I'M I'M NOT BEING MEAN MAKING NO SENSE AT ALL. BUT I'M LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM EMPOWERMENT. BUT ALSO RETAIN CONTROL FINAL AUTHORITY ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS AS WE'RE HAND HOLDING THROUGH SOME OF THESE CHANGES, BECAUSE IF WE APPROVE THAT THING, AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, IT FITS WITHIN THE WORDING RIGHT? COME BACK AND SAY THAT PICTURE IS DIFFERENT 
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BECAUSE IT FITS THE WORDING AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD GET IN TROUBLE RIGHT. IF THEY EXCEEDED THE WORDING WOULD THEY HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE FOR ANY FUTURE APPROVAL? BUT IF THEY'RE REALLY WITHIN IT, IT'S HARD TO YOUR POINT IN GENERAL, JUST TIGHTENING UP THAT GAP. YOU KNOW, JUST, I GUESS SORT OF AS A THAT'S AN OPTION AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT OPTION. I'M JUST SAYING, AGREEING. I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM THAT, YOU KNOW. IN SOME AREAS, THE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. IN THE PRESENTATION AND WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED IN WRITING. THERE'S A LARGE GAP IN CERTAIN AREAS. WE FEEL ALL THAT AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD WANT TO ASK WHAT WHAT ARE THOSE GAPS? BECAUSE I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD, TOMMY. NO, NO, I WAS GONNA SAY I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I MISSED THE MISSED THIS MEETING. 
          WHERE, UM, WITH THIS. WENT THROUGH BECAUSE THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR IS HEAVY TRAVEL FOR ME FOR WORK. UM BUT I DO AGREE A LOT WITH WHAT EVERYONE'S SAYING UP HERE BECAUSE WORDING IS EVERYTHING. MHM, MHM AND EVEN WHEN YOU WERE GIVING YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT A MINIMUM VERSUS A MAXIMUM THE WORDING THERE. LEAVE SO MUCH ROOM. OUT THERE. BUT THINGS HAPPEN AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. AND I GET I GET THE LOOK BECAUSE THE PICTURES LOOK GREAT. BUT AS YOU AS YOU START READING THROUGH ALL THE WORDING , I THINK FOR ME, IT'S JUST TIGHTENING UP. TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY FULLY UNDERSTAND. UM WHAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE GETTING OURSELVES INTO. TO BE SURE THAT THIS FIRST ONE IS DONE RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IT CAN EVEN BE AS TO WHERE IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER. AT SOME POINT IN TIME WITH THIS, P D AND THEY THEY'RE GONNA GO BASED OFF THE TEXT NOT BASED OFF THE PICTURES MHM ABOUT I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW I'M GOING BECAUSE I LOVE I LOVE THE CONCEPT. AND I LOVE WHAT WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO US. THIS IS MY 1ST 1ST MEETING. UM AND THIS IS A IT'S A BIG ONE. UM I APPRECIATE IT. UM, BUT IT'S THIS IS THIS IS A IT'S A IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. UM BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE WE'VE GOT. EVERYTHING IN LINE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WHETHER IT'S ALL DEVELOPING IT OR SOMEBODY ELSE DEVELOPING IT THAT THAT THAT IT'S IT IS RIGHT FOR THE TOWN. 
          YEAH, I THINK I THINK EVERYONE'S POINT. I THINK I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. AND I THINK WE DO SET A PRECEDENT RIGHT BECAUSE THE FIRST MAJOR PROJECT THEN GETS REFERENCED DOWN THE ROAD AS WE'VE REFERENCED THEM TODAY, I THINK FOR ME TO MAKE A DECISION OR FOR US TO FULLY ALIGN, AT LEAST FOR ME. I THINK WE NEED MORE FACTUAL DATA BEHIND WHAT'S OUT THERE INSTEAD OF A MYTHOLOGICAL NUMBER OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO, SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT IS THAT NUMBER THE DEVELOPER CAN MAKE HAPPEN TO. I THINK WE ALL AGREE. WE WANT TO REDUCE THE UNITS, SOME CAPACITY. WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? THE DEVELOPER COULD MAKE HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME. 
          WHAT IS OUR WHAT IS OUR THRESHOLD FOR? APPROVING WHATEVER THAT NUMBER MAY OR MAY NOT BE. I THINK THAT'S ONE TO DETERMINE. I THINK THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SEE ALSO JUST IN THIS P D, OR JUST FROM FROM TOWN STAFF IS PARAMETERS OF SOMETHING OF THIS SCALE BECAUSE THIS WOULD BY FAR BE THE LARGEST BUILDING IN THE TOWN OF PROSPER, AND SO I'M LOOKING THROUGH TO SOME OF THESE. SOME OF THESE GUIDELINES FOR THE PD FOR 1 19 A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT STAND OUT THAT I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT AGAIN. JUST WHEN I THINK ABOUT SIZE AND SCALE, I THINK ABOUT LIKE ONE OF THE NOTES THAT MENTIONED SCREENING FOR SOLID WASTE COLLECTION, AT LEAST THE SIX FT HIGH WALL, BUT WITH THE SAME MATERIALS WE'LL WASTE COLLECTION FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE. THAT CANISTER IS GONNA BE MUCH LARGER THAN SIX FT. RIGHT SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY NEEDED TO LEAST BE 8 10 12. WHATEVER IT IS, COULD BE SOME SORT OF COMPACTOR. STANDARD EIGHT YARD DUMPSTER WOULDN'T BE SCREENED BY A SIX FT FENCE, LIKE THOSE KIND OF THINGS IN TERMS OF THE SCALE. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING GOES IN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, SIGNAGE IN TERMS OF THE SCALE NOT TO EXCEED 10 FT. BEYOND THE BUILDING ITSELF. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE AS WELL BECAUSE AGAIN SIGNAGE OF 10 FT. EXCEEDING OFF A BUILDING AT THIS SCALE IS DIFFERENT. I THINK ALSO, I THINK IT BELIEVES, I THINK MENTIONS A 20 FT ALLOCATION FOR, UM, MATERIALS ON THE ROOF OR EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF. SO H BACKS ETCETERA, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IN TERMS OF SCALE? I KNOW I DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO PROTRUDING 20 FT OFF THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SCREENING AROUND THAT. SO FOR ME, IT'S TWO THINGS. IT'S ONE FACTUAL DATA IN TERMS OF SPECIFIC NUMBER OF UNITS. AS WE COMPARE THIS TO OTHER PROJECTS. WHAT'S THAT THRESHOLD AND THEN IT'S ALSO A BUILDING OF THIS SCALE. HOW DO WE LOOK AT THAT AGAIN? I MENTIONED SIMPLE THINGS LIKE COVERING THE TRASH RECEPTACLE. WELL THAT'S JUST THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR, BECAUSE TO EVERYONE'S POINT, I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. IS THAT WHATEVER WE DO OR DON'T DO HERE THAT WILL THEN GET REFERENCED IN THE NEXT PD DOWN THE ROAD AS WE BUILD OUT THIS THIS THREE MILES, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, UM, WRITING THEM DOWN. AND IF I NEED TO REFER TO YOU AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU, AND ALSO LOOK AT THE VIDEO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WHEN WE FIRST GOT THIS ONLY REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO THEY CAN. THEY CAN TALK ABOUT THIS. WE GOT THE IMAGE OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND SO WHAT THEY USE IS WE CREATED 
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THESE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO FIT THAT IMAGE. WE'VE EVEN TOLD HIM TO LOOK AT PD 41 P D 41 AGAIN WE CAN. IT'S GREAT DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S SITUATION OF THE HOSPITAL THAT BOUGHT, YOU KNOW SOME OF THE PORTION THERE'S BEEN AMENDMENTS, BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY LOOKED AT SOME OF THE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY, UM GOD IS FROM THAT. P D. SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S ON THE DOLLARS NORTH TOLLWAY DESIGN GUIDELINES. GUESS WHAT? IT'S FROM THAT PD. SO AGAIN. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE. WHAT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT DID WAS. WE SORT OF CREATED THESE AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK AT THEM AGAIN AND TIED IN ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE YOU KNOW THE PD 41 TALKS ABOUT, UM, NUMBER OF 2700 UNITS. 
          BUT THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN DIDN'T LIST OUT HOW MANY NUMBER OF UNITS ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN HAS BEEN AMENDED THREE TIMES. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT COOKS OR I ALWAYS GET THE COOKS FOR CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL. NEXT UP. UM BUT THAT HOSPITAL OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW THAT THAT HAS PURCHASED THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT REMAINING PIECE OF PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO DEVELOP 2700 UNITS. SO AGAIN, I WANT THIS TO SORT OF CONTINUE TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, WE DO ALLOW THAT FLEXIBILITY. BUT AGAIN, PLEASE LOOK AT THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW IN IF THEY PRESENTED 44 UNITS WHERE THEY PRESENTED 500. 
          AGAIN. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE MAXIMUM IS WHAT THE P D ORDINANCE OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE SAYING, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU REALLY LOOK AT THAT AND THEN WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THOSE AND TIGHT ENOUGH ANYTHING THAT WE CAN, BUT WE STARTED FROM ONE PAGE AND WE WENT TO 30 PAGES ON THESE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND WILL CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AND LOOK AT THAT AND REVISIT THAT WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT AND HOW WE GOT TO OUR NOW VERY HELPFUL. I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE WITH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFFER IN THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S A LITTLE PROCESS CHECK LITTLE AFTER SEVEN AND SO I'M GOING TO THROW THIS OUT THERE AS AN IDEA. 
          BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT AND WE COULD PROBABLY CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT A LOT OF DETAILS HERE, AND WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF LEAST MAYBE A COUPLE MORE WORK SESSIONS. YOU KNOW, AS AS YOU KIND OF CONTINUE THROUGH THE PACKET OF INFORMATION, I THINK ANY TIME WE HAVE THOSE COMPARISON CHARGES VERY HELPFUL, DAVID. BUT I THINK WE CAN GET NURSING STAFF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE IN BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT WORK SESSION. NO STAFF WILL BE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT DOODLE REVIEW SOME OF THAT, AND THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK HERE TONIGHT FOR THE APPLICANT THAT YOU CAN GO BACK AND MAYBE LOOK AT SOME OF THE THOUGHT PROCESSES THERE, TOO. 
          AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MAKES THIS WORK OR NOT WORK FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. RIGHT SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER WE WANT TO GO THROUGH QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN GO AS LONG AS WE NEED TO, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT ALL DONE TO THAT. ENCOURAGE EACH ONE EVERY ONE OF YOU. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY, WE CAN SPEND TWO HOURS OF NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PD. AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. AND IF I CAN'T ANSWER IT, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO GET THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE DEVELOPER. IF YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT ALREADY. UM AND SO I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THEM AS WELL. AND WE'RE PROPOSING THE JAM AND THE JOINT TOWN COUNCIL MEETING. TO BE SOMEWHERE LATE MARK LOOKING AT MARCH 20TH, WHICH IS A MONDAY OR MARCH 27TH, WHICH IS THE OTHER MONDAY, AND THAT WOULD BE ONE WEEK BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PANSY WANTED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION. JUST P AND Z. JUST THE VANDER THINGS. WELL, HOW DOES THAT? HOW DOES THAT GO? IF WE DON'T WANT TO USE A PNC NIGHT? OR EITHER EXTEND API NZ NIGHT. SO DO YOU ANOTHER PNG DISCUSSION LIKE WE DID TODAY, BUT ONE THAT COMES BACK WITH SOMEONE LIKE SOME OF THE DATA THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR. I'M ALMOST THINKING ABOUT PRE WORKING SESSION FOR US . I KNOW THIS IS WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THE JOINT TOWN COUNCIL BEFORE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING OR OKAY. YEAH, SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS AGAIN SO WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UM, HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM AT THE NEXT PNC MEETING. I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU KNOW. IF THE APPLICANT DOES MAKE THE REVISIONS OR ANYTHING, AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET THAT INFORMATION, BUT THE MARCH 21ST MEETING. UM YOU KNOW, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION LIKE WE HAD TONIGHT IF THAT'S NEEDED, BUT AGAIN, WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT SCHEDULE. UM AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST UP IN THE AIR, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SET UP. UM AND YEAH, IF THAT'S NEEDED, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BUT JOINT ONE IS THE 20TH RIGHT. ONE IS THE 20TH OR THE 27TH. BASED ON AVAILABILITY THAT I GET FROM YOU ALL TONIGHT AND THEN I'M NEED TO GO TO TOWN COUNCIL AND GET THEIR AVAILABILITY AS WELL. SO IT MIGHT BE EITHER OR I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM FROM PNC. AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM WOULD BE THAT FIRST MEETING IN APRIL IN APRIL. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE GOT A PLAN ON THAT. THANKS EVERYONE AND APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT BEING HERE AND, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK AND MOVE 
          [6. Review actions taken by the Town Council and possibly direct Town Staff to schedule topic(s) for discussion at a future meeting.]
FORWARD ON THIS. NUMBER SIX THIS EVENING. REVIEW ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND POSSIBLY 
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DIRECT TOWN STAFF TO SCHEDULE TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING. ANY UPDATES THERE. UM NOT REALLY TOO MUCH. WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY ITEMS. UM I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD COSTCO. UM KIND DEVELOPMENT GO TO THE LATEST TOWN COUNCIL MEETING. AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PROVISIONS AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND YOU TO THAT PERSON. THE INFORMATION ON THAT, BUT, UM, COUNCIL DID REQUEST THE WALL TO BE BUILT ALONG THE MULTIFAMILY SIDE. IF YOU REMEMBER A RECALL THAT DISCUSSION FOR COSTCO, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO ADD IN ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO SORT OF SOFTEN THAT. UM THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. UM THERE WAS AN INCREASE FOR SOME ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. UM SOME SOME SOME EITHER AN IMPROVEMENT OF MAINSTREAM OR SOME SORT OF OFFSETS, UM, WITH A LITTLE BIT OPEN ENDED, BUT THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL TO SORT OF HAVE COSTCO. UM IMPROVE WHAT THEY PROPOSED. UM CHINA MEMBER OF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THOSE WERE THE LEAST BEFORE THAT I CAN REMEMBER ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL WITH THE CONDITIONS, BUT I THINK IT WAS FOR CONDITIONS THAT, UM RELISTED AND THAT DID GET RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT COUNCIL AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, PERTIERRA GOT TABLED AGAIN THAT WE'RE AT NOW, UM, AS FAR AS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS, UM WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW SOME MEDALS . I WAS DONATIONS THAT CAME IN, AND WE ALSO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OR TWO RECENT MEDALS ON ZONING CHANGES THAT CAME IN AS WELL. UM IT JUST DEPENDS IF THEY'RE READY . UM WE'RE GONNA WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO GIVE YOU ALL A PRELIMINARY SCHEDULE FOR THE AGENDA. IT IS SOMETIMES VERY DIFFICULT, BUT WE DO DEFINITELY TRY OUR BEST. UM AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BIG , SCHEDULED FOR THE 21ST MEETING . UM AGAIN, WE COULD HAVE THE DISCUSSION FOR THIS AS WELL. UM BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU HONESTLY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF? DAVID I WAS JUST THANK YOU FOR THE WORK ON THIS. THIS IS IT'S I THINK WE'VE ALL WE'RE LEARNING AND EVOLVING AS WE GO WITH THIS, SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK. I THINK THIS WAS IT WAS GOOD, AT LEAST TO HEAR THIS AS WELL AS JOINT SESSION WE HAD WITH THE COUNCIL. 
          SO THANKS FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT. I APPRECIATE IT. AND I THINK THAT, UM YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY AS WE COME ALONGSIDE THE COMP PLAN, SOME OF THIS WILL BE RESOLVED. BUT NO, THANK YOU. FOR ALL THE WORK AND ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU TOOK FOR US AND AGAIN, JUST ONE MORE LAST THING AGAIN MORE THAN HAPPY TO SCHEDULE ANY MILLION CHANCES FOR PRADA. BUT ANY OTHER BIG TICKET ITEMS I'M HERE FOR YOU. ALSO EMAILS QUESTIONS. TEAMS PHONE CALL. UM WHATEVER YOU NEED, I'LL BE THERE. ONE MORE THING ON THE PRADERA. IN TERMS OF I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, BUT IN TERMS OF TIMING RIGHT NOW, SO BASED ON WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS PROJECT WE CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE IT CONTINUE TO GO. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED ABOUT MONTH DELAY. SO WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP FOR THAT PROJECT BEYOND THIS MEETING? SO AGAIN, REALLY, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS, UM I'LL MEET WITH THE APPLICANT. AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS MENTIONED TONIGHT. UM WE'LL SEE WHAT REVISIONS CAN OCCUR. UM I'LL LOOK AT SOMETHING MORE INFORMATION ON THE REQUESTED OF THE EMPHASIS OF THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          MAYBE. DO YOU LIKE TO COMPARISON CHART OR COMPARISON? SHE, UM UM , SO AGAIN, JUST WORK WITH THEM. 
          LOOK AT THE JOINING. START STOP . START OVER. BUT LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH, UM, TO MAKE SURE TIED IN ANYTHING THAT WE MAY HAVE MISSED. UM AND THEN REALLY, WHAT THEY'LL DO IS CONTINUE TO GET FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY BRINGING THIS BACK FOR ANOTHER WORK DISCUSSION. MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UM AND THEN REALLY GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE JOINT SESSION OF COUNCIL AND PNC. AT THE LATE MARCH AND THEN AGAIN DO WE WOULD START OVER AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WOULD SEND OUT NOTICES AND START THAT PUBLIC HEARING POTENTIALLY APRIL 7TH AGAIN. THAT'S JUST SORT OF IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S WE NEED MORE TIME AND ALREADY APPLICANT NEEDS MORE TIME TO ADDRESS THE REVISIONS, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE JOINT SESSION THAT MIGHT GET PUSHED FROM APRIL 7TH TWO APRIL 21ST. UM BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE FOR NOW. I'M ON THE EVERY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ADD A DISCUSSION ITEM AS TENTATIVE FOR THE NEXT AGENDA DO HOW DO WE GO ABOUT ADDING THINGS TO AN AGENDA TO EMOTION? DO WE JUST SEND IT TO? UM IT WOULD BE KIND OF WHAT THIS AGENDA ITEMS RIGHT NOW. IT'S FOUR. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE, UM, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO ASK FOR THAT. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADD THAT TO THE TO THE NEXT ITEM, BUT THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD CAUTION IS THAT, UM EITHER. A THEY'RE STILL GETTING FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL SO THAT I WOULD RATHER I MEAN, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET WORK SESSION AND THEN COUNCIL WORK SESSION JOINT AND THEY GET MORE STUFF AND THEN SO I WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT WOULD BE, UM IF WE NEED TO DO IN YOUR DISCUSSION ITEM. I MEAN, I CAN TALK TO AND SEE. BUT IF YOU NEED TO LIKE A WORK SESSION PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING I KNOW SOME SOME CITIES DO THAT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE MORE OF A CONVERSATION. UM WE CAN 
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LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. UM OR WE CAN MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO, UH, DISCUSSION OF ITEM, BUT IT WILL BE A SEPARATE, MAYBE NOT ON TUESDAY, LIKE MONDAY MEETING AND DO THAT AS WELL. SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE JOINT SESSION WITH COUNCIL. UM IS THERE A WAY IS IT IS IT DOES ONE THAT WE HAVE TO BE IN PERSONAL? CAN IT BE VIA ZOOM AS WELL? LIKE A TUBE? WE BELIEVE WE STOPPED THE ZOOM AND I THINK PEOPLE CAN STILL WATCH IT JUNE, BUT YOU WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE COMMUNICATION ANYMORE. UM IS THIS SO IT, I GUESS IS THIS A GUESS IS THIS UH THIS JOINT SESSION. IS IT OFFICIAL? UM OFFICIAL SESSION THAT HAS TO BE DOCUMENTED AND AGENDA AND YES, IT WOULD. YEAH I WOULD HAVE A WORK SESSION. WE WOULD HAVE A QUORUM. YOU KNOW ALL THE TEXAS MEANING ACTS OR IMPORTANT AND, UM, WE WOULD WANT IN PERSON. MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM SO AGAIN. UM I'LL PROBABLY AFTER THIS MEETING TO GO TO EACH ONE OF YOU TELL ME WHAT DATES OR SEND YOU AN EMAIL. UM AGAIN. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR THAT, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH 10 COUNCIL. I'M GOOD LOOKING AT MONDAY, MARCH 20TH OR MONDAY, MARCH, 27TH. I'LL PROBABLY JUST SEND YOU AN EMAIL. UM AND JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. IF YOU CAN MAKE IT TO BOTH OF THEM ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF BOTH OF THEM AND THEN WE'LL LET COUNCIL SEE WHAT WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE A LOT. I THINK THE I DIDN'T RECEIVE AN INITIAL EMAIL. I GOT IT FROM YOU. BUT I GUESS WHATEVER WENT OUT TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS NEVER CAME TO ME. SO OKAY, MY TRAVEL. IT JUST HELPS IF YOU IF YOU CAN AGAIN, JUST RESPOND BACK, AND IF I DON'T HEAR ANYONE, EVERYTHING I'LL MAKE SURE TO REACH OUT THROUGH CELL PHONE OR SOMETHING. ALRIGHT DAVID. THANKS. APPRECIATE ALL Y'ALL DO AND, UH NUMBER SEVEN THIS EVENING ADJOURNED. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A HERE WE GO MOTION TO ADJOURN A MOTION TO ADJOURN FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES. WE HAVE A SECOND ALRIGHT, HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER VAN WOLF. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO ADJOURN. RAISE YOUR HAND. DO WE GET EVERYBODY WHO WE HAVE? ALRIGHT WE'VE GOT 7 TO 0. WE ARE ADJOURNED. 7
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