Aug 23, 2022 Town Council

[Call to Order/ Roll Call]

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR SENDING THE PROSPER TOWN COUNCIL MEETING TODAY IS AUGUST 23RD 2022. THE TIME IS 6:15 P.M. AND I NOW CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER WE HAVEN'T ATTENDANCE OUR MAYOR PRO TEM, JEFF HODGES, OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CRAIG ANDRES. COUNCIL MEMBER, KERN COUNCIL MEMBER COTTON COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER BARTLEY AND COUNCIL MEMBER RAY, SO WE HAVE A FULL ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING. I'D LIKE TO START WITH JIM LUGER WITH THE. WITH LIFE JOURNEY CHURCH AND HE'S HERE TO PROVIDE THE INVOCATION WILL FOLLOW WITH THE PLEDGES LED BY OUR CUB SCOUT PACK, AND I'LL INTRODUCE THEM HERE IN A SECOND. HEAVENLY FATHER. WE JUST COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING WITH THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL HEARTS FOR HOW MUCH YOU'VE BLESSED US. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE TOWARDS US. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PROVISIONS. AND FATHER. GOD I JUST THANK YOU THAT EVERY TIME WHEN WE ASKED FOR WISDOM, YOU GIVE IT I THANK YOU, FATHER. FOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN THAT YOU'VE EMPOWERED AND CALLED TO LEAD OUR TOWN AND I PRAY FATHER THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WISDOM TO LEAD WELL. AND I PRAY ABOVE ALL OF THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO LEAD OUR TOWN TO BE ABLE TO GIVE GLORY AND HONOR TO YOU IN EVERYTHING WE DO. WE THANK YOU FOR THESE THINGS IN JESUS' NAME. AMEN. THE R CUB SCOUTS WITH CUB SCOUT PACK 19. OH, TWO. THE CUB SCOUTS ARE ETHAN BROWN. ETHAN DEFEATS LANDON EBIT, LANCE LOKI. PRESTON MELLINGER. NOLAN PIKE, TRISTAN TUNE AND PATRICK WILSON. THE DEN LEADERS ARE MY NEIGHBOR, ALAN BARBER AND ASSISTANT THEN LEADER MEREDITH MILLINER. IF YOU WOULD LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. UNITED STATES. WHICH IS CHANCE.

INDIVISIBLE WRONG. TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SCOUTS. AT THIS TIME LAST COUNCIL MEMBER CURRAN

[Announcements of recent and upcoming events]

THE SPECIES OF TREE TO HUNT WILL BE POSTED ON THE PARKS AND REC FACEBOOK PAGE ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15TH AND ONLINE ENTRY FORM WILL BE AVAILABLE WITH THE WINNING TREE TO BE ANNOUNCED THAT THE PROSPER ARBOR DAY CELEBRATION ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH. JOIN US FOR A MOONLIGHT MOVIE FEATURING THE FAMILY FILM ENCOUNTER AS PART OF THE DISCOVERY DOWNTOWN EVENT SERIES ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 24TH. THE EVENT KICKS OFF WITH A STROLLING MOVIE CHARACTERS, LONG GAMES, BALLOON ARTIST SHAVED ICE AND POPCORN GAMES WILL OPEN UP AT SEVEN WITH THE MOVIE BEGINNING AT 8 30. FOR MORE INFORMATION, VISIT THE EVENTS PAGE FROM THE HOMEPAGE OF THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. ALL JOINING US FOR CELEBRATE PROSPER ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 8TH AT FRONTIER PARK. THIS FUN COMMUNITY CELEBRATION WILL FEATURE LIVE MUSIC AND BARBECUE EVENT IS PRESENTED BY THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT WITH SUPPORT OF THE SPONSORS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS FOR MORE INFORMATION, VISIT THE EVENTS PAGE FROM THE HOMEPAGE OF THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.

COUNCILMAN CURREN THAT'S DEVELOPING MORE AND MORE OF A RADIO VOICE EVERY TIME THAT'S GREAT. YEAH YEAH, I BELIEVE YOU'VE YOU'VE HELPED. YOU'RE GONNA HOLD THAT PLACE DOWN FOR A WHILE. UH WITH THAT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN L ASKED THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR PRO TEM FOR STANDING IN WHILE I WAS GONE

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[1. Receive an update on the Prosper Fire Station No. 4 Design Development project. (SB)]

AS YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS FIBER CONNECTED TO ALL THE SCHOOLS, SO WE KNOW THERE'S FIBER THERE IN THE AREA, SO WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THAT AS AN OPTION, WHICH WOULD BE A PREFERRED METHOD. YOU KNOW WHEN THIS HITS YOU YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE KIND OF THE ONE IN YOUR KIND OF THE ONE THAT'S ALONE IN THIS THAT'S GOING ON AND QUICKLY. I FOUND OUT THAT, UH, JUST IN LOCAL JOBS THAT ARE GOING AND BEING BID HERE RECENTLY AROUND US THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES FOR COMPARISON, I LOOKED AT THE SALON, A FIRST ASIAN THREE, WHICH ALSO CAME IN CONSIDERABLY OVER ORIGINAL ESTIMATES. UM THEY ADVISED IT BACK IN NOVEMBER, JUST AS RECENTLY AS NOVEMBER. 2021 THEY? THEIR PROJECT ESTIMATE FOR THEIR STATION WAS 12.6 MILLION, ALL IN AND THE CITY HAD SET ASIDE 13 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT. AS OF JUNE, THE ESTIMATES CAME IN AT 15.8 MILLION. DUE TO RISING CONSTRUCTION COSTS. SO BETWEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE PROJECT CONTRACTOR, THEY WORKED TOGETHER TO BRING AND SIGNED THERE. GMP LAST MONTH AT APPROXIMATELY 14.8 MILLION ALLEN SIGNED THEIR GNP ON MAY 10TH FOR FIRST STATION NUMBER SIX, WHICH IT AUTHORIZED 11.2 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION ONLY WITH THE TOTAL ALL IN OF ROUGHLY 15 MILLION. BOTH OF THESE FACILITIES ARE LARGER AND SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN OURS, BUT THEIR PROJECT COST IS CONSIDERABLY HIGHER. ALSO. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE JUST A FEW OF THE SLIDES AND I DO WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS THAT I DO HAVE MEMBERS FROM POPE CONSTRUCTION AND ALSO FROM BR W. WE HAVE A TEAM THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSE TOGETHER ON ALL OF THIS. AND SO THERE ARE ALSO IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ONE THING IF I COULD GO BACK TO THE SLIDE VERY, VERY QUICKLY ON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES BUDGET, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE A CURRENT BUDGET OF 3 623,080 THAT INCLUDES THE FEE FOR BR W. FOR

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WAS SOME TO ADD A CUP. OF SLEEP. QUARTERS. THERE WAS ALSO SOME DISCUSSION THE OF THE. WE YOU KNOW, AND AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT ABOUT A 13 FT DROP FROM ONE CORNER OVER THERE TO THE OTHER. WE WERE TRYING TO USE SOME OF THAT TO OUR ADVANTAGE. WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGN. WE HAVE DESIGNED THE FITNESS CENTER TO OPEN UP BASICALLY TO THE WOODS. IT WAS GOING TO GO DOWN A LEVEL AND OPEN UP TO WHERE IT WOULD JUST BE A MAGNIFICENT SETTING. WORKED ON TO TRY TO GIVE AT LEAST ANOTHER OPTION OF THINGS WE COULD REDUCE, BUT THAT WAS PART OF IT. THIS IS THE CURRENT DESIGN THAT WE HAVE TODAY. THE RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE SHOWN THE FRONT OF THE STATION IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT IT FROM PROSPER TRAIL. AGAIN IT'S JUST KIND OF GOING TO WORK ITS WAY AROUND JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE SIDE AND THEN JUST A BRIEF PICTURE TO THE REAR. SO WHAT WE DID. I WENT BACK TO THE TABLE AS SHOCKED AS I'M SURE YOU ALL WERE A FEW WEEKS AGO. WHEN I NOTIFIED, UH THAT THIS WE HAD RECEIVED, THESE ESTIMATES CAME BACK IN AND WE HAD ALSO ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 19TH FOR COUNCIL MEETING. WE HAD ALREADY PUSHED THAT TO THE 23RD BECAUSE POGUE WAS DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO TRY TO GO BACK TO EACH INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTOR AND TO VERIFY AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS IT WASN'T ANYTHING. THEY WERE. UM UNFORTUNATELY, THE ESTIMATES TODAY OR WHERE THEY CAME IN AT THAT I SHARED WITH YOU. SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE DID WE LOOKED AT REDUCTION EXERCISE. I WANT TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THIS WOULD NOT BE THE IDEAL SITUATION FOR A FIRE STATION. AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE FIVE. WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD THEM TO WHERE EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A MUCH SMALLER SCALE AGAIN, I GAVE YOU IN APRIL JUST FOR CONSIDERATION. OUR FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO IS ABOUT 16,200 SQUARE FEET. THIS ONE IS DOWN TO 12. HOWEVER I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE COULD TO SEE WHAT WE COULD REDUCE. SO WE LOOKED AND SAID OKAY, IF WE DID I KNOW IT WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL A COUPLE ADDITIONAL SLEEP ROOMS, AND THEY ABSOLUTELY MADE SENSE BUT WERE ELIMINATED TO SLEEP ROOMS WERE ELIMINATED. STAFF RESTROOM WE TOOK, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A SMALL CONFERENCE AREA. WE TOOK THE CONFERENCE ROOM COMPLETELY OUT. WE REDUCED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FITNESS CENTER. WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF OUR BUNKER GEAR ROOM.

THE RISER ROOM IS NORMALLY SEPARATE ROOM WHERE YOU'LL SEE ALL THE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING GO IN, AND IT'S NORMALLY BEHIND CLOSED WALLS. WE ACTUALLY CUT THAT OUT AND PUT IT IN THE BAY, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE BAY. UM WE WERE TRYING EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD THAT ELIMINATED ABOUT 100 SQUARE FOOT OFF OF OUR DAY ROOM AS WELL AS ALONG WITH REMOVING HALF OBEY. WHICH WOULD JUST TAKE US TO TWO BAYS. THIS NEXT SLIDE. IT'S ALSO IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU'LL SEE. PLEASE FORGIVE THE APPROXIMATE 3000 SQUARE FOOT REDUCTION THAT WAS HONORED. THAT WAS OUR ATTEMPT AT TRYING TO REDUCE DOWN WE ACTUALLY CAME DOWN TO ABOUT 2300 WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN TODAY AND THE PINK OR THE AREAS THAT THAT WE WERE ELIMINATING OR CUTTING ALTOGETHER. UM AND OR MODIFYING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON PART OF THAT ELIMINATION. UH BY DOING THAT ALSO TOOK THE WORKOUT ROOM IN A DIFFERENT LAYOUT BROUGHT IT UP TO THE TO THE MAIN FLOOR.

PRETTY MUCH FOR GOING, THEY OPENING UP TO THE WOODED AREAS. WE BELIEVE IF WE DID DO THE REDUCTION OF 2300 SQUARE FOOT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY ABOUT A 1.1 MILLION DECREASE. IN WHAT YOU SEE TODAY IN THE ESTIMATES AGAIN , IT IS NOT WHAT I WOULD

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THAT'S ALL I HAVE. LIKE COMMENT, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY QUESTION QUESTION. YEAH THE. YOU MENTIONED TWO OTHER PROJECTS, I GUESS OR TWO OR THREE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND YOU SAID THAT THEY HAD GONE UP IN PRICE. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THEY WERE PER SQUARE FOOT WITH THE BIT OUT AT YES, SIR. SO, UM RIGHT NOW, THE GARLAND FOR DEPARTMENT. THEY CAME IN. THEY HAD SIX BIDS, AND THEY CAME IN A LITTLE BIT OVER $770, A SQUARE FOOT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE MULTIPLE POLICE STATIONS AND OTHER FORESTATION WAS OVER 7 70 OF THOSE SIX BIDS.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT SELENA? YOU MENTIONED IT IN ALLEN. I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDINGS. I DO KNOW THAT BOTH OF THOSE WERE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER BUILDINGS. I WAS PRETTY MUCH JUST LOOKING AT THE ESCALATIONS. I DIDN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION ON EITHER ONE JUST THAT BOTH OF THEM WERE KIND OF SHOCKED AND HAD TO GO BACK TO REQUEST FUNDING CONSIDERABLY. THEN IN SOUTH DALLAS, OR AT LEAST IN THE SOUTH, PART OF THE COUNTY. WE HAD A FIRE STATION FOR ONE OF THE CITY'S THERE CAME IN CLOSE TO $660 A SQUARE FOOT AND THAT WAS FOR A PRE ENGINEERING METAL BUILDING. OKAY AND WHAT I'VE HEARD AND HEARD HEAR RUMOR. MELISSA WAS UNDER 500. THAT'S PRETTY RECENT. AND SELENA WAS RIGHT AT ABOUT 600. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR SELENA. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, AT LEAST WITH SELENA . SELENA IS FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD , WAS ABOUT 23,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. BIGGER BUILDINGS LEFT SQUARE FOOT. LOT OF IT WAS A MEETING SPACE OR THEY WOULD HAVE A MEETING AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN AND MEETING SPACES A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT TO CONSTRUCT AND THEN THE NORMAL BEDROOMS AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO WITH IT. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? I MEAN, THIS WAS IN APRIL. I GUESS OUR NUMBER WAS SIX MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION. YES, THAT'S A 67% INCREASE. NOT A NOT A. FIVE OR 10, OR 20, OR 30, OR 40, OR 50 67% INCREASE. I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE NUMBERS HAVE MOVED THAT MUCH SINCE APRIL. MAYBE WE DIDN'T SEE THAT IN APRIL. AND OUR FORECAST. MAYBE OUR FORECAST IN APRIL WAS WAS QUITE A BIT OFF. BUT STILL I JUST I JUST DIDN'T STICKER SHOCK. WE ALL ARE COSTS. COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE UP DRAMATICALLY , BUT THAT'S 2025. NOT 67. SO WHAT IS IN THIS BUILDING THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN A COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. THEY'VE GONE UP 2020 CLAP 25% IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. SO. FOR THE PUBLIC SECTOR FACILITIES. THEY ORDERED DIFFERENT LEVEL THAN MEANT TO BE A 40 TO 50 YEAR

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THEY'RE NOT THEIR LIFE CYCLES. NOT MEANT TO BE THAT LONG. BUT ALSO THINK ABOUT IT. IT'S A MUCH MORE REGULATED BAIT TYPE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE FOR MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. THE FIRE STATION OR POLICE STATION IS A ONE OF A KIND HAS A LOT MORE, UM, HER SAY H VAC REQUIREMENTS AND EXHAUST OTHER OTHER ITEMS THAT GO INTO IT. SECURITY LAST APRIL, IT HAD THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO THOSE THOSE NATIONWIDE WE ANYWHERE NEAR SEVEN OR $800, A SQUARE FOOT. I HAVE NEVER SEEN.

REDUCING THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING, BUT I ALSO DON'T SEE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN AFFORD. YOU KNOW, TO BUILD SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, FOR $12 MILLION? WE DON'T HAVE $12 MILLION AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE EVEN THEN, IF YOU DO EXERCISE THE BUILDING WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? PER SQUARE FOOT. THEN CAN WE GET IT DOWN TO SEVEN 50 A FOOT. INSTEAD OF 8 50 FT. NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. I JUST NO , I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO BACK. TO THE SIX HUNDREDS. WE'RE SEEING EVERYTHING CONSISTENTLY MIDWAY THROUGH SEVEN HUNDREDS TOO HIGH. AND AFTER HEARING THE PROJECTS IN SOUTH TEXAS OR SOUTH OF WACO. COME IN ABOUT 800 IS THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE NORTH TEXAS NORMALLY HAS A MUCH HIGHER PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. FOR THOSE FACILITIES. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS SO TONIGHT. BASICALLY YOU WANT US TO TELL YOU IF YOU IF OUR CONSENSUS IS TO KEEP THE BUILDING WITH THE LARGER FOOTPRINT OR GO DOWN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MOVE ON? UNLESS YOU HAVE THAT FEEDBACK. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT? THEY CAN'T THEY CAN'T GO PAST 100% DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.

THEY CAN'T START THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING.

AND RIGHT NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT IN HERE ESTIMATES BASED UPON OTHER FIRE FIRE DEPARTMENTS. IT'S THEY HAVEN'T STARTED DRAWING IT OUT. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE ESTIMATES, THEY'RE BASING IT ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOT NECESSARILY ON THE MATERIALS THEMSELVES. IF THAT MAKES SENSE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE WHEN THEY DO DO THAT. BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THIS BUILDING IS LAID OUT ITS CONSTRUCT. IT'S YOU'RE SEEING RENDITIONS AND RENDERINGS OF IT. BUT THEY HAVEN'T SAID. IT'S GOING TO BE THIS MUCH STEEL. IT'S GOING TO BE THIS MUCH ROOF. IT'S GOING TO BE. THEY HAVE ESTIMATES OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ESTIMATES ON ALL THAT STUFF, BUT THEY HAVEN'T EVEN GOT TO THE ACTUAL DRAWINGS OF THE OF THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF IT. OKAY SO IF YOU ARE ASKING US FOR FEEDBACK ON WHICH WE PREFER , WHICH IS THE SMALLER BUILDING OR THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE WITHOUT ALL THE PINK UM MY FEEDBACK IS THAT I WOULD PREFER THE LARGER SPACE.

UM I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A FEAR THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND ADD ON. UM IT WOULDN'T MEET THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE. THAT WE WOULD NEED LONG TERM AND THAT WE WOULD END UP SPENDING MORE MONEY LATER. SO THAT'S MY FEEDBACK ON IT. HAVING SAID THAT THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT ONLY GIVES YOU A MILLION DOLLARS SAVINGS. I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH YOU KNOW, TAKING ALL OF THESE THINGS OFF THE TABLE. I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BELIEVE THE PRICE. OKAY I'M TOTALLY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, COMPLETELY STICKER SHOP. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE CREATIVE. HOW WE DO IT. HOW WE PAY FOR IT, UM AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT IF YOU'RE WANTING FEEDBACK TONIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD ON A SMALLER BUILDING OR A LARGER BUILDING, MY FEEDBACK IS THE LARGER BUILDING. THANK YOU. I WILL ASSURE YOU I LOST SLEEP OVER THIS AND I MET WITH THEM IMMEDIATELY AND IT WASN'T IT WASN'T COMFORTABLE. IT WASN'T COMFORTABLE FOR ME WHEN COMFORTABLE FOR THEM AND THEY KNEW AND THAT'S WHY THEY SPENT ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS TRYING TO FLUSH IT OUT AND TRYING TO VERIFY AND EVEN CHECKING WITH SOUTH TEXAS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT. AND IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE WEEK I'M THE SAME WAY I DON'T EVEN HAVE WORDS. IT'S JUST SO HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND BUILDING CENTRAL FOR 18 MILLION AND BUILDING THIS FOR 12. I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S IN THE SAME BOAT. BUT $833, A SQUARE FOOT IS A BIG BIG EXPENSE THAT WE WERE SEEING IT ACROSS THE BOARD. AS YOU KNOW, THANK GOD. WE HAVE ALREADY ORDERED THE APPARATUS FOR IT, AS THE MANUFACTURER TOLD US ON THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK THAT ANYTHING AFTER I BELIEVE, HE SAID SEPTEMBER 1ST THAT WE HAVE TO ADD 20. TO WHERE THEY'RE AT TODAY IN 11 HIT AN ADDITIONAL 20% IT IS IF YOU REMEMBER IT WENT UP ABOUT 150,000 EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S ANOTHER 20% OVERALL. I WOULD AGREE. UH, WITH

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COUNSELING WORRY ABOUT DELAYING, BUT YOU KNOW IF WE CAN IF WE CAN PUSH IT OUT SIX MONTHS OR SO, YOU KNOW, AND SAVE OURSELVES A LITTLE TIME WITH, YOU KNOW, PERSONNEL, IT'S JUST ALL THAT MUCH MORE. TIME TO SAY. SOME MONEY. TO PAY. FOR THE OVER. JIN CASH. UM YOU KNOW YOU SEE A LEVELING OUT OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS? WE'VE SEEN LOTS OF DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS . UH THE MATERIAL COSTS ESCALATE. GO UP. HE HEARD BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGES OR THE GAS AND THE TRANSPORTATION SHORTAGES. BUT WHAT? WE'RE WHAT HAS HAPPENED, I BELIEVE, AND THIS IS MY TURN. UM. SOME THINGS LEVEL OUT. THEY THE SUPPLY CHAIN. GETS FLOWING AGAIN, BUT SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED. SO IT'S A SNOWBALL EFFECT ON THINGS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO GO BACKWARDS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS. COST FOR THE MATERIALS TO PUT TOGETHER YOUR FACILITY. UH I THINK POGUE WOULD BE A BETTER JUDGE OF THAT. THEY DID THIS COST ESTIMATE AND THEY HAVE PRETTY GOOD. PULSE OF WHAT THE GCS IN THERE. THE SUBS AND THE TRADES ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. WE'RE SEEING. THE END RESULT BECAUSE WE DO A LOT OF FIRE STATIONS ACROSS TEXAS. WE HAVE ABOUT 2025 RIGHT NOW UNDER DESIGN, SO THIS IS CONCERNED NOT

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IT'S NOT WORKING ANYMORE. IT'S JUST ART. EVEN FROM THE MAY ELECTIONS. THOSE BONDS ARE FOR COMING UP SHORT FOR WHAT THEY'RE NEEDING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I JUST I JUST WANT TO ADD FIRST OF ALL YOU KNOW IF YOU DO DELAY IT YOU SAVE ABOUT TWO MILLION A YEAR BY DELAYING DELAYING IT IN OPERATING COSTS, SO THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY POTENTIAL MONEY INTO DEFERRING IT NOW IT MIGHT COST MORE. DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE BUT YOU SAVED TWO MILLION A YEAR OR THEREABOUTS, I THINK IS THE NUMBER 1.5 TO $2 MILLION A YEAR IN SAVINGS. SO TO ME. IF YOU WANT TO DO THE LARGER BUILDING, I TELL YOU, YOU NEED TO WAIT A YEAR TO DO IT AND SAVE TO ONE YEAR'S WORTH OF OPERATIONS. I DON'T SEE I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL HERE. I DON'T SEE THIS SITE. A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT. THIS SERVES. YOU KNOW, THE LADERA WILL COME ON, BUT IT'S RIGHT OFF OF FIRST STREET. PRETTY ACCESSIBLE. SAME THING WITH MALABAR HILLS. IT'S RIGHT OFF OF FIRST STREET. SO THERE HADN'T BEEN ANYTHING NEW IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THIS AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. TO ME. YOU CAN PUT THIS OFF ONE YEAR SAVE $2 MILLION AND MAYBE DO THE FULL FOOTPRINT. OTHERWISE YOU'RE COMING UP WITH 3 TO $4 MILLION THIS YEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE AND I JUST DON'T I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SPENDING 3 TO $4 MILLION THIS YEAR. WE WERE ACCELERATING THIS IF YOU RECALL THOSE WHO ARE ON THIS COUNCIL BEFORE WE ASKED THINGS WERE GOOD THINGS WERE GREAT. WAS WE WERE GOING WELL, YOU GOT THE BUT THE CENTRAL FIRE STATION IN ON BUDGET, WHICH WE WERE EXCITED ABOUT, AND I THINK WE WERE FEELING GOOD ABOUT THAT, THEN, CHIEF. THAT'S THAT WAS THE EMOTION CARRYING US AND WE SAID, LET'S GO AHEAD AND ACCELERATE THIS AND GET THIS ONE DONE, TOO. WHILE THINGS ARE GOING WELL WAS, IT TURNS OUT YOU GOT A 67% INCREASE IN WHAT WE EXPECTED THE COST TO BE AND TO ME EITHER REDUCE THE SIZE OF IT. WHICH YOU HEARD ME SAY, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO AND PAY TWO OF THE THREE MILLION THIS YEAR. OR YOU DEFERRED A YEAR. AND COME BACK AND. COST MAY GO UP. THEY MAY NOT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YOU SAVE AT LEAST A MILLION HAVE $2 MILLION, IF ONE YEAR DEFERRAL SO I LIKE I LIKE THAT. I THOUGHT I CAN UNPACK A LITTLE BIT. NOT SO MUCH PUSHING OUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE COSTS ARE GOING TO GO DOWN. BUT THE FACILITATION OF STAFFING OF IT RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTH GAP, AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO SLOW ROLL IT, RIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY PRUDENT HERE. BUT TO YOUR POINT IF YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HIRE YOUR STUFF TO STAFF THIS YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HIRING IT, YOU KNOW? WHEN THE WHEN THE BUILDING IS DONE, RIGHT, WE'RE HIRING IT BEFORE THE BUILDINGS DOWN AND LEAD UP TIME AND TRAINING. SO IF THERE'S A BLEND WHERE YOU STILL BUILD IT IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA GET ANY CHEAPER. BUT YOU PUSH OUT. YOU KNOW WHEN YOU STAFF IT AND BUY ALL THE EQUIPMENT FOR IT. YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A SAVINGS THERE AND IN MAY NEUTRAL OUT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT ARE TALKED TO MAYOR BRISTOL ABOUT WAS POSSIBLY IT IS. IT IS TYPICAL THAT YOU, HIRAM IN ADVANCE TO GET THEM THROUGH, UM, THIS TIME , EVEN WITH HEARING SOME OF THEM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO SEND SOME OF THEM TO SCHOOL BEFORE THE STATION STARTS TO FINISH OUT THEIR SCHOOL. THERE'S JUST WE'RE JUST A SHORTAGE OF PERSONNEL, AND THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT THROUGH THE AREA. UM SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST PROSPEROUS HAVING TO DO. IT'S THE ENTIRE AREA. I DID LOOK, THIS STATION IS ESTIMATED OPEN IF WE STAYED ON SCHEDULE AROUND APRIL. TYPICALLY WE WOULD HIRE AT LEAST BY OCTOBER. FOR THAT. ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT I THREAT MAKER BRISTOL THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS PUSHING THIS PERSONNEL TO RIGHT BEFORE IT STARTED TO TRY TO ASSIST WITH THAT. ALSO AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW ON THE ESCALATIONS AGAIN. IT'S 800,000 THAT THEY'VE PUT IN HERE FOR ESCALATIONS THAT THEY HAVE, AND THERE'S STILL SOME VALUE. ENGINEERING WE JUST UNTIL THE UNTIL THE DOCUMENTS ARE DRAWN, AND IT ACTUALLY GOES OUT TO GMP. IT'S A IT'S ANYBODY'S GUESS. I MEAN TO BE. THEY'RE LOOKING AT OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET THE GET THE GMP BACK, AND WE'LL HAVE SEVERAL THINGS IDENTIFIED THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY VALUE ENGINEER TO BRING THOSE COST ESTIMATES HE DON'T EVEN FURTHER. HE CAN CAN COUNCILMAN CARLIN FIRST BEFORE YOU GO. SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS UH, CHARLES DISASTER, BUT, UM AND THEN THIS IS ROOKIE QUESTIONS. AND SO IS THIS. THE BASICALLY THE SMALLEST STAFFED. MODEL OF A. FIRE STATION. NOT THIS FOOTPRINT, BUT

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I'M SORRY. TOTAL EMPLOYEES SIX PER DAY IS WHAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR. AND SO AND THEN THAT KIND OF NOT OPEN WITH THAT THEY WOULDN'T OPEN WITH 18. IT WOULD OPEN WITH AN ENGINE ONLY. SO IT WOULD OPEN WITH A TOTAL OF NINE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR FIVE YEAR STAFFING. WE HAVE IT SET FOR OPENING NIGHT AND THEN TO ROLL IN ANOTHER AMBULANCE LATER. CHRIST I MAYBE THAT'S PARTLY ANSWERING MY QUESTION, BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE INCREMENTALLY THAT SORT OF TOWN. IT'S NOT GROWING AND DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH. IT'S FAIRLY DEVELOPED. UM AND THEN WE'RE ADDING THE STATION TO KIND OF TAKE SOME OF THE LOAD OFF OF THE FORMER CENTRAL FIRE STATION, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN. UM SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. AND I'M ONLY THINKING FROM THE TIMING PERSPECTIVE, NOT FROM NOT PROVIDING THE SIZE OF BUILDING THAT WE NEED. I AM GENERALLY CONCURRENCE THAT WE SHOULD JUST BUILD IT THE WAY WE WANT IT TO BE AND NOT TRY TO DO IT. I'M MORE ON THE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE ON THE TIMING IF I'M PROVIDING INPUT THAT WOULD BE MINE. UM NOT WHETHER ITS STAFFING OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, I JUST YOU KNOW IF THIS IS I UNDERSTAND, UM THE CONSTRAINTS HERE AND I ECHO EVERYONE, SO I KNOW THAT YOU ARE WORKING HARD ON THIS, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THROW OUT ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL IDEAS. OKAY SO I'D LIKE THROWING A COUPLE OF COMMENTS HERE. IF YOU GO TO THE SLIDE WITH THE COSTS, PLEASE. A COUPLE OF THINGS, I OTHER DIRECTION FIRST. I'M SORRY CHART. THE GRAPH SHOWS. I'M SORRY. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU SAY I'M GONNA , I'M GONNA CHALLENGE YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT THINGS ONLY GO UP. ALRIGHT SO FROM OH, EIGHT OH, NINE, IT APPEARS COST WENT DOWN. FROM 11 TO 12 COSTS WENT DOWN FROM 19 TO 20 COSTS WENT DOWN. FROM THE CHART. OR STABILIZE 12? YES, THEY DIDN'T FLAT, RIGHT? AND SO I'M JUST CHALLENGING. YOUR ASSUMPTION IS SO DEFEND YOUR ASSUMPTION. SO I'LL DEFEND MY YEARS. SO IT YES . ACCORDING TO THE CHARTER DID GO DOWN. OF COURSE, THOSE ALSO HAD TO DO THE SIZE OF THE FACILITIES. LARGER FACILITY CAN GET MORE COST EFFECTIVE PER SQUARE FOOT. THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SMALLER FACILITIES IN IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS MIXED , BUT THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WE HAD IN NORTH TEXAS AT THAT TIME THAT WE KNOW THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT ON FOR INSTANCE, AND OH, NINE. WE HAD LARGE CENTRAL STATIONS, BOTH IN DALLAS AND STEPHENVILLE. AND I BELIEVE THAT ALSO HAD THE ROANOKE STATION IN IT. OKAY AND THEN FROM 11 TO 12. WE HAD. THEN BROOKE AND ANOTHER SMALL ONE SMALLISH, MEANING THREE BASE STATIONS. SO SOMEWHERE AROUND, UM 12 13,000 SQUARE FOOT. OKAY, SO YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. BY THAT GRAPH, IT HAS GONE DOWN. WHICH IS YOUR DATA? I'M SORRY. YOUR DATA? YES, OUR DATA. SO THESE ARE BR W NUMBERS FOR THE STATIONS. WE HAVE THE HISTORIC THAT ON. IT'S NOT ALL NORTH TEXAS FACILITIES. OKAY SO THAT'S YOUR THANK YOU FOR LEADING ME DOWN THE PATH I WAS TRYING TO GO TO, UH, OF THE FIRE HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT IN THIS AREA, NOT SOUTH TEXAS. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM? ARE YOU GUYS RESPONSIBLE FOR? WE'VE SO IN THIS AREA WE HAVE DONE CLOSE TO 300 IN THE PAST 12 YEARS. SO IN NORTH TEXAS, UM. PROBABLY 30. OKAY? SO I WOULD SUBMIT THERE'S A 70. OUTLINE OF OTHER FACILITIES THAT MAY BE HAVE POTENTIAL DIFFERENT COSTS HIGHER LOWER THAN MAYBE THEY MAY GO EITHER DIRECTION FOR LIKE SELENA THREE. WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE?

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CHARLES ALREADY ALLUDED TO IT MORE THAN 67% HIKE IS NOT SUSTAINABLE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF A MACRO ECONOMIC CHANGE IN THAT SO MY GUT FEELING TELLS ME TO HANG ON AND LET SOME PLATEAUS GO THROUGH TO GET TO SOME OF THE COST SAVINGS THAT WE CAN WE CAN STOMACH AND GET THROUGH SO I WANT YOU TO HAVE THE PROPER BUILDING TO REPRESENT NOT ONLY THE EXCELLENCE THAT YOU GUYS DO ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT THE EXCELLENCE THAT OUR COMMUNITY DEMANDS, AND THAT'S HAVING THE RIGHT FACILITY AND THE RIGHT STAFFING IN THERE SO MY VOTE, OR MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE A DELAY TO GET YOU THE STATION THAT IS REALLY NEEDED OVER THERE. SO I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT HASN'T HASN'T EXPRESSED THEIR OPINION. I'M I THINK I'M RIGHT ECHO A LOT OF THIS, UM I WANT YOU TO HAVE THE RIGHT BUILDING. I MEAN, THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. WE CAN'T THIS IS SUCH A SMALL BUILDING. I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY TO SHELL PART OF IT OUT AND COME BACK. HE WOULDN'T. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD SAVE US ENOUGH MONEY TO BE WORTH THE TIME. I AM FINE WITH A DELAY AND I GUESS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A YEAR? IS THAT WHAT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? CAN WE GET THE NUMBER? YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO GET PERSONALLY SO, CHIEF, HELP US OUT. ALRIGHT, SO WE WOULD YOU'RE GOING TO THE DESIGN IS FINISHED. AND SO NOW YOU GET THE GMP NUMBERS BACKWARDS. YOU ACTUALLY GET BITS FROM FOLKS, SO LET'S CARRY THE LOGIC THROUGH.

YOU GOT THE DESIGN DONE. YOU OWN THE LAND. HE WAS WAITING FOR THE RIGHT TIME TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS. DO I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BEFORE YOU CAN GET THE MONEY BEFORE YOU BID THEM OUT SO CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS WILL TAKE THREE MONTHS. SHOULD BE DONE BY NOVEMBER. THAT'S ALL THAT'S ALREADY IN THE COST THAT WE SAW UPFRONT. HERE IT IS, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE IT YET. SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER HE CONTINUES WITH THOSE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS UNDER THIS LARGER PLAN, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, PEOPLE WANT EQUALLY HAVE CONSENT OR GENERAL CONSENSUS. THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE. I, LIKE AMY'S IDEA IS THAT DO THAT. MY TAKE IS THAT IF YOU CAN BRING IT IN, YOU KNOW FOR $2 MILLION THAT WE COME TO MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF POCKET FOR IT. I'M GOOD WITH IT. BUT IF YOU HAVE TO COME MORE THAN THAT, THEN MY TAKE IS WE NEED TO DEFER IT A YEAR SAY THAT OTHER, YOU KNOW, SAVE TWO MILLION BY ONE YEAR AND THAT'S YOUR $4 MILLION. ONE YEAR SAVES ANOTHER $2 MILLION. WHAT WE'RE SAYING ANOTHER HALF A MILLION? I DON'T KNOW. OR DAVID MIGHT BE RIGHT. THERE MIGHT BE SOME DELAYS. BUT MY TAKE IS YOU PRICE IT AND IF YOU DON'T GET THE PRICING YOU WANT THEN THEN THEN YOU PUT IT OFF. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO DECIDE AT THAT POINT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO

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THE LARGER FACILITY LARGER FOOTPRINT. IT'S HOW WE AFFORD IT . AND RIGHT NOW, MY TAKE IS WE CAN'T AFFORD SO NEAR THE ANYWHERE NEAR THE 12 MILLION. SO CHIEF, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION. I BELIEVE WHAT I HEAR IS THE DIRECTIONS CONTINUE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, DESIGN DOCUMENTS. GET THE PRICING AND THEN LET US MAKE A DECISION FROM THERE ON THE PROPER SIZE STATION. MR MAYOR MAY ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS, PLEASE. CHIEF WE HAD WE JUST FOR CLARITY. WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK THROUGH THIS. BUT IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN. AND GETTING TO I BID OR A GMP? WHAT DO WE THINK ARE ADDITIONAL COST IS BETWEEN NOW AND THAT POINT. TO GET CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND GET A GMP. AS FAR AS COST ASSOCIATED IN THEIR DESIGNS ARE IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT. SO WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO CONTRACT TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. SO I THINK FROM AN ARCHITECTURE STANDPOINT, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING WE'VE ALREADY AH HIRED POPE FOR PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES AS WELL, SO THEY WILL BE THERE THROUGH THE GMP THAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY ISSUED POS FOR. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE THERE TO MY KNOWLEDGE. UNLESS YOU'RE MAKING SOMETHING ELSE, THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL COST. OKAY SO ALL OF OUR CONTRACTING FOR ALL SERVICES THROUGH GMP ARE ALREADY CONTRACTED, AND THEY MAY NOT BE INVOICED YET, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY CONTRACTED AND IN A P O CORRECT THAT TIED UP CORRECT. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT OUR TOTAL LET'S SAY WE GET TO GMP? AND WE GET TO THAT POINT. KNOWING THAT IT'S ALL CONTRACTED. WHAT'S THAT TOTAL WE WOULD BE AT BECAUSE THEN THE COUNCIL WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION. HOW MUCH WOULD WE BE IN INTO THE FACILITY FOR AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF THE IF I COULD GO BACK VERY QUICKLY. SEVEN. SO RIGHT NOW, THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE BUDGET WE HAVE ISSUED A TOTAL OF 623,000 AND THEN ON THE , UH, OTHER DEVELOPMENT COSTS.

WE'VE GOT A FEW THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, BUT A LOT OF IT WAS LIKE THE GEO TECH. UH I THINK IT'S THE ONLY AMOUNT THAT WE'VE EVEN ENCUMBERED OUT OF THAT WHICH WAS VO TECH FOR THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE BEFORE THEY CAN START DESIGNING EVEN AND REALLY, THAT'S THE WE WOULDN'T TOUCH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY OR THE FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT. AND THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT COSTS MOST OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT COSTS OR THINGS, UH, FOR INSTANCE, UH, OR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS TESTING AND TESTING. BALANCE REPORTS ARE UTILITY COMPANY STUFF SO THAT WOULDN'T COME INTO PLAY UNTIL WE'RE IN CONSTRUCTION. SO THE ONLY REAL ONE THAT THAT, UH, I KNOW IT WAS THE GEO TECH AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN ENCUMBERED AT THIS POINT THROUGH GMP. OKAY? ALRIGHT I WILL SAY WITH ONE EXCEPTION AND IT'S NOT EVEN A PART OF THIS. WE HAVE ORDERED THE APPARATUS ALREADY FOR THIS STATION WE'VE REQUESTED OR GO AHEAD AND ORDER THE AMBULANCE AND ALL THE EQUIPMENT BEFORE THEY CONTINUE TO ESCALATE. SO ALL OF THAT IS ALREADY ORDERED, AND A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT IS ALREADY COMING IN. SO REALLY, THEN, ABOUT OTHER THAN THE EQUIPMENT SET. ALL THAT ASIDE ABOUT $1.2 MILLION WOULD THAT BE ABOUT RIGHT? ACTUALLY NO, SIR, ABOUT $635,000 IS ALL IT WOULD BE BECAUSE THE REST OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT COSTS WOULD NOT COME INTO PLAY UNTIL LATER. SO IT'S ONLY THE ARCHITECT FEES THE PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES IN THE GEO TECH. A TOTAL OF ABOUT 6 35 TO MAKE SURE THOSE WEREN'T ROLLED IN THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT COSTS. NO, SIR, WE'RE ALL IN ON THAT NUMBER THEN. YEAH I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT THE FUNDS. ALREADY THERE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AGAIN. I WILL AGREE WITH THE COUNCIL. UM, THAT GETTING TO THAT NUMBER AND KNOWING WHAT IT IS, YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT. IS WHERE YOUR DECISION REALLY, REALLY NEEDS TO BE WITH YOU ON THAT WE WON'T KNOW THAT TILL JANUARY. RIGHT IT WOULD BE , WE WOULD GO OUT. I BELIEVE IT'S LATER RIGHT DOWN FOR DECEMBER THE SIXTH, BUT THEN IT TAKES A WHILE. EVEN THOUGH THOSE ARE CLOSED BIDS AND THEY OPEN IT. WE HAVE A PROJECTION, BUT THEN THEY HAVE TO SCRUB THOSE BIDS, SO THEY START GOING THROUGH EACH ONE AND MAKE SURE IT'S A QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR TO DO THE JOB THAT NORMALLY TAKES A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND KEEP IN MIND. THAT'S CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEARS, SO IT'S SLATED TO COME BACK TO YOU ON THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN JANUARY. CHIEF I THINK THE FOLKS FROM POPE MIGHT MIGHT HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO ADD. JUST ROBBIE. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING. BRISTOL I DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC. I JUST SAW IT. IT FELT

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DECISION RIGHT? RIGHT BUT HE NEEDS TO BE LOOKING INTO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT'S GONNA HELP HIM GET HIS GAS LINE AND HIS CABLE TO THAT'S RIGHT. AND SECONDLY, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD AT THE PRICES THAT WE'RE AT. WE WANT TO BE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE TIME. SO YOU DON'T TRIP. WE HAD LITTLE JANUARY INCIDENT THIS LAST YEAR WHERE THE FORMER MAYOR WAS A LITTLE PERTURBED IF I RECALL BECAUSE HE CAN HAD TO MAKE A DECISION IN THAT MEETING, SO WE WANT TO BE SURE WE DON'T FIND OURSELVES SO WE NEED TO TIME THIS 22 FOLD. WE NEED TO TAM THE DELIVERY OF THE OF THE PROPOSALS AND GET THEM PROPERLY TO THE COUNCIL WITH ENOUGH TIME TO AT LEAST HAVE AN ADDITIONAL COUNCIL MEETING TO MAKE A DECISION. COUNCILMAN CARTON I WOULD ACTUALLY IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL, AND THE COUNCIL AGREES MY RECOMMENDATION BE. LET US BRING IT BACK JANUARY. WE'LL GET IT TO YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOU TO SEE IT. BUT LET US BRING IT BACK. WE JUST BECAUSE THIS LAST JANUARY WE BROUGHT IT BACK, AND WE DID HAVE 30 DAYS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING. AND TODAY WHERE THEY SAY, HEY, IT'S A 30 DAY ESTIMATE OR WHATEVER. IT'S GONNA JUST IT IS WHAT IT IS, IF WE HAVE TO DELAY IT, 30 DAYS TO HAVE MORE TIME WE CAN'T DELIBERATE IT EVEN THOUGH WE SEE IT IN ADVANCE, I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT WE DO THE BEST WE CAN, AND WE LOOK AT IT. BRING IT BACK AND LET YOU GUYS LOOK AT IT THE FIRST PART OF JANUARY FOR DISCUSSION AND NOT TO TAKE ACTION ON EVEN IF YOU DECIDE FOR US TO TAKE ACTION, IT WOULD POSTPONE IT TWO WEEKS. GREAT, OKAY. IT WAS GOOD. YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S OKAY . YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH IT'S THEIR FAULT. HOLD ON THEIR FAULT . NO MR PATTERSON, YOU WERE SAYING, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, CHIEF AND TEAM FOR ALL THE WORK ON IT AGAIN. APOLOGIZE. WE DIDN'T GET TOGETHER BEFORE, BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD DECISION POINT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT. IN THE MEANTIME, THE OTHER PIECE OF DATA THAT YOU KNOW, BOB AND TEAM AND WE'LL BEGIN TO LOOK AT IS LET'S ASSUME FOR WE GOT TO MAKE A WORST CASE ASSUMPTION. AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PLAN FOR THAT WORST CASE ASSUMPTION. AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS PART OF THAT IN THAT JANUARY TIMEFRAME TO COME BACK AND SAY. IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO GO HERE'S WHAT THE RESHUFFLE ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. SIDE LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE AGAIN I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S A FINITE BUCKET. WE'LL JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WITHIN THAT BUCKET. WHAT GETS RESHUFFLED? YOU KNOW WHAT GOES TO THE TOP OF IT GETS MOVED TO THE BOTTOM, AND BUT WE'LL PREPARE SOMETHING FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT SO THAT WHEN WE ROLL BACK IN YOU WILL HAVE THAT WORST CASE SCENARIO READY FOR YOU. SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO ASK US TO DO THAT AND COME BACK? WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VERY MUCH. WORST CASE SCENARIO IS NOT THAT IT COSTS $4 MILLION MORE. BECAUSE $4 MILLION MORE IS WE DON'T DO IT. WE DON'T SO I TAKE IT YOU DON'T SHUFFLE THE CAPITAL TO ALLOW $4 MILLION IN THE HOW ABOUT THAT'S A DECISION THAT GOT RIGHT TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE CAPITAL DELEGATED SHOWING $4 MILLION IN THERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT DECISION. EXACTLY OKAY , BUT WE NEED TO BE PREPARED. IF YOU DO MAKE THAT DECISION. WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE WE WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU IF YOU IF THE STORY TELL US PRIOR TO THEM, BUT NOT NOW. NO, NO, NO, NO, NOT NOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS ONCE WE GET NUMBERS ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS REALLY ARE IT MAYBE 2.8 AND MAYBE 3.6 DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF IF YOU DECIDE TO GO THAT

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NONCONTROVERSIAL SENT AGENDA MAY BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA BY THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL MEMBERS OF STAFF. IS THERE ANYONE THAT LIKES TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM CONSENT AGENDA? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR, THEN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 234 MOTION. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER RAY IS SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER COTTON ALL IN FAVOR. AND NONE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU

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LET HIM ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, PLEASE. I HAVE ALLOWED HIM TO TALK. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, SIR.

HE'S STILL MUTED. OKAY, SO YOU ARE ONLINE. PERSON IS MUTED LEAF . YOU CHAT WITH HIM AND TRY AND GET HIM BACK UP. I BELIEVE, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, SO. IF YOU COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, SIR, UH ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE MOST OF US KNOW YOU BELIEVE SO. AND IF YOU DON'T YOU WILL. JOHN FOWLER, PASTOR, THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH HERE IN TOWN. UH I HATE STANDING UP HERE BY MYSELF. SO COULD I GET THE FIRE AND POLICE CHIEFS TO JOIN OR DID THE POLICE OR FIRE CHIEF? MAYBE TOOK HIS CHANCE AND RAN OUT OF HERE. TODD, WE WANT TODD EQUIPMENT OF STONE. SO AS EVERYBODY KNOWS BACK ON THE SECOND OF AUGUST, OUR CHURCH WAS HEAVILY DAMAGED IF HE GETS STAND TOGETHER LIKE EACH OTHER, YOU WORK TOGETHER. OUR CHURCH WAS SEVERELY DAMAGED , AND I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO PUBLICLY. THANK BOTH OF YOU AND SPECIFICALLY YOUR DEPARTMENTS. BUT BOTH OF YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DEPARTMENTS DO FOR YOUR GUYS. ON 100 PLUS DAY IN A FIRE AND CONDITIONS THAT COULD BEST BE DESCRIBED AS HELLISH AND I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THAT FROM THE OTHER GUY. UH YOU GUYS WERE THERE DOING YOUR JOB? YOUR GUYS WERE OUT THERE DIRECTING TRAFFIC, KEEPING EVERYBODY SAFE. IT WAS ABOUT 100 DEGREES, AND THEY'RE WEARING ARMOR PLATED VESTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND STANDING THERE FOR HOURS ON END. SO I WANTED TO PUBLICLY THANK BOTH. HAVE YOU OR DEPARTMENTS AND YOU AND I HAVE SOME CERTIFICATES THAT ARE ON ORDER. SO THESE ARE MAKE BELIEVE ONES, BUT THEY HAVE THE ACTUAL LETTER IN THEM, AND I'D LIKE TO SURE THEM THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR, BECAUSE I'M SAYING PRETTY SAME THING. BUT TO THE THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION TO THE PROSPER POLICE DEPARTMENT. WITH APPRECIATION FOR YOUR SELFLESS DEVOTION TO PROTECTING THE CITIZENS OF PROSPER. YOU MAKE A DIFFERENCE EVERY DAY AND IN EVERYTHING YOU DO YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND DEDICATION TO YOUR CALLING MADE A DIFFERENCE ON. I DON'T KNOW. I'LL GET A SECOND. 202 TO 1 RESPONDING TO A FIRE AT OUR CHURCH ON COLEMAN STREET. CHURCH BUILDINGS SUFFERED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE. DESPITE 100 DEGREE PLUS AFTERNOON TEMPERATURES, YOUR OFFICER STOOD THERE, POST, DIRECTING TRAFFIC AND KEEPING EVERYONE SAFE. YOUR EFFORTS UNDER VERY DIFFICULT CONDITIONS , MADE A DIFFERENCE AND EARNED OUR ETERNAL GRATITUDE. LET ME SHOW YOU. AND YOURS HAS ALMOST THE SAME THING EXCEPT DIFFERENT WAS APPRECIATION FOR YOURSELF SELFLESS DEVOTION TO PROTECTING OUR CITIZENS OF PROSPER. YOU MAKE A DIFFERENCE EVERY DAY AND THEN EVERYTHING YOU DO. YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND DEDICATION TO YOUR CALLING MADE A DIFFERENCE ON AUGUST THE 2ND 202 TO 1 RESPONDING TO THE FIRE AT OUR CHURCH ON COLEMAN STREET. THE CHURCH BUILDINGS SUFFERED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE. HOWEVER HAD YOU ARRIVED LATER OR BEN LESS DEVOTED TO FIGHTING THE FIRE, THE BUILDING MIGHT HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY DESTROYED YOUR EFFORTS UNDER VERY DIFFICULT CONDITIONS, MADE A DIFFERENCE AND EARNED OUR ETERNAL GRATITUDE . THANK YOU, CHIEF. DELIVERIES THE REAL ONES. I'LL BRING HIM BACK HERE, JOHN. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT WE'RE NOW ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, PLEASE FILL OUT OF PUBLIC COMMENT FORM AND PRESENT IT TO THE TOWN SECRETARY BEFORE THE MEETING BEGINS, PREFERABLY PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.7 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE INDIVIDUALS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL FOR ITEMS LISTED AS PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE RECOGNIZED WHEN THE PUBLIC

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[5. Conduct a public hearing and consider and act upon a request for a Sign Waiver at 4200 W. University Drive, regarding two (2) wall signs for Cook Children’s Medical Center on the northeast corner of Windsong Parkway and US 380. (MD22-0008) (BC]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL COOK CHILDREN'S IS REQUESTING A SINE WAVE REFER TO SIGNS LOCATED AT 4200. WEST UNIVERSITY. UH, SCIENCE. PROPOSED SIGNS ARE ON THE EAST AND WEST FACES OF THE BUILDING. UM AS SHOWN IN THE SLIDES HERE. SO I BELIEVE THAT IS THE WEST ELEVATION. HERE'S THE EAST ELEVATION. THE WAIVER REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR AN INCREASE IN THE HEIGHT OF THE SCIENCE FROM THE MAXIMUM OF 12 FT TO APPROXIMATELY 18 FT. AND ALSO TO ALLOW A PORTION OF THE SIGNS THE BLUE PEAKS. TO BE ABOVE THE TOP OF THE PARAPET WALL AND BE APPROXIMATELY SIX FT. TO THE PEAK THAT THEY'RE ABOVE THE WALL. UM. THIS REQUEST IS PART OF A REBRANDING EFFORT TO SUPPORT THE CULTURAL CULTURE AND STRATEGIC VISION OF COOKED CHILDREN'S JUSTIN WELLS WITH DUNAWAY AND KEVIN GREEN. WITH COOK CHILDREN'S OR IN ATTENDANCE. IF YOU GUYS HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, UM OF NOTE STEP SENT OUT NOTICES , AS IS REQUIRED TO PROPERLY NOTICE WITHIN 200 FT. 10 DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING, AND I'M NOT AWARE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK. UM THE STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. AND I DO THINK KEVIN WAS HOPING TO SPEAK AS WELL. OKAY, GREAT. SO AS AN APPLICANT YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THANK YOU. MAYOR BRISTOL IN TOWN COUNCIL APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT, AND JUST OBVIOUSLY, AND THIS HAS BEEN A JOURNEY THAT WE'VE STARTED THINKING FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, AND NOW WE'RE JUST A FEW MONTHS OUT FROM THE OPENING OF OUR MEDICAL CENTER, AND THIS IS AN EXCITING MOMENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE YOU ALL SUPPORT FOR THESE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE REBRANDING WHAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THIS TWO PIECES WE TALKED ABOUT CULTURALLY AND THOSE PEAKS HAVE BEEN A PART OF OUR DNA FOR THE LAST 105 YEARS. SO WHEN PEOPLE SEE THAT AS A FAMILY MEMBER, YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANTED TO REPRESENT IS WORLD CLASS PEDIATRIC CARE. WHICH I KNOW IS IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN AND IMPORTANT TO OUR VISION AS WE LOOK AT THE NEXT 105 YEARS HERE, BUT THEN ALSO WHEN YOU THINK STRATEGICALLY WHEN WE STARTED. WE WERE A MEDICAL CENTER IN FORT WORTH, AND NOW WE'RE MAJOR INTEGRATED HEALTH SYSTEM. SO THOSE DOTS ON THE BLUE PIGS ARE THERE TO REPRESENT THE DIFFERENT AVENUES OF WHAT WE SUPPORT, NOT JUST THE MEDICAL CENTER OR PHYSICIAN NETWORK THAT'S MADE UP OF OVER 800 PROVIDERS OR HOME HEALTH OR HEALTH PLAN. SO WE WANT THAT TO REPRESENT. WE'RE HERE TO CONNECT ALL THOSE DOTS FOR OUR FAMILIES. SO IT'S VERY INTENTIONAL AND NOT JUST A NEW BRAND, BUT SOMETHING WHERE WHEN THE COMMUNITY SEES IT , THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT POINTS ARE AND THAT WE'RE HERE TO HELP DRIVE THAT FOR THEM AND TO HELP PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUUM OF CARE THAT WE CAN HELP GUIDE AND SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED THAT WE GET TO RECOGNIZE THIS TO YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY INTO OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM PROSPER FIRST. IN NOVEMBER. JUST THERE'S QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENTER THAT HERE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE TOWN AND YOUR SUPPORT. AND UH, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE LAST NOTE. I WAS LOOKING BEFORE I CAME TONIGHT AND THE THREE YEARS SINCE WE OPENED, SO OUR FIRST OPENING WAS OCTOBER 2019 OF OUR URGENT CARE. WE SERVED OVER 100,000 KIDS ON THIS CAMPUS, AND THAT'S JUST THERE ARE URGENT CARE PRIMARY CARE SURGERY CENTER IN SPECIALTY CLINIC. SO NOW YOU KNOW THIS LAST CHAPTER, NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO GROW MORE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE WILL BUT THE OPENING OF OUR MEDICAL CENTER AND WHAT THAT MEANS. TO THE TOWN OF PROSPER INTO THIS REGION AND JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. IT WAS SO, KEVIN, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THIS IS THIS IS THE ROLLOUT OF THIS DESIGN ACROSS THE SYSTEM ISN'T RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY SO THAT THE VERY FIRST ONE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT HERE. SO WE ARE THRILLED TO HAVE YOU AND COOK CHILDREN'S HERE IN PROSPER, SO THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS JUST CONFIRMED. SO 11 OF THE SIGNS OF PHASE 3 80. THE OTHER ONE WILL FACE WINDSONG PARKWAY. IS THAT RIGHT? SO IT'S THE BOTH FACING 38 WHEN YOU THINK IT'S SO IT'S GOING NORTH TO SOUTH. SO IF YOU'RE DRIVING 13 80 GOING EAST OR WEST THOSE ONES, I'LL SEE IT AND WE MET WITH THE LEADERSHIP AT WITH ONE SONG RANCH. SO WE TELUS GROUP, AND THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. I'LL SAY I'M A HOMEOWNER ONE SONG, SO I WILL MAKE SURE

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ELEVATION NO, SIR. YOU HAVE PEAKS. BUT THAT'S SO THERE'S NO SIGN FACING 3 80. NO, SIR. SIGNS ON EACH SIDE INSTEAD, CORRECT. SO ONES THAT FACING THE PARKING LOT AND ONCE FACING WINDSONG RANCH. ARE BOTH ARE BOTH OF THEM FACING PARKING LOTS. IT WOULD BE FACING. SO IF YOU'RE STAYING LIKE IN THE CHURCH PARKING LOT WORKING WEST, YOU WOULD SEE IT AND THEN FOR STAYING IN THE HOME DEPOT PARKING LOT FACING EAST, YOU WOULD SEE IT. BUT NOT HOLLY HAWK. AND THAT ONE SONG I GOT YOU. YES, SIR. WE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. NOT JUST A COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS. FOR THE DILIGENCE, THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT YOU TOOK IN THE SENSITIVITY TO THIS AND TRUSTING PROSPER WITH THIS THIS POTENTIAL ROLLOUT. SO THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, KEVIN. THANK YOU. OKAY SINCE THIS AGENDA ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE OR ONLINE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY? AT THIS TIME, THEN WITH NO SPEAKERS. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEAT HEARING. AND IS THERE ANY COUNCIL DISCUSSION? AND THEN I'LL ACCEPT THE MOTION . I MOVE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A SIGNED WAIVER AT 4200 WEST UNIVERSITY DRIVE. REGARDING TO WALL SIGNS FOR COOK CHILDREN'S MEDICAL CENTER ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WINDSONG PARKWAY AND US 3 80. THANK YOU TO HAVE A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TIM HODGES. ALL IN FAVOR. AND NONE OPPOSED

[6. Consider and act upon awarding CSP No. 2022-48-B to Mario Sinacola & Sons Excavating, Inc., related to construction services for the First Street (Coit to Custer) - 4 lanes project; and authorizing the Interim Town Manager to execute a construction agreement for same. (HW)]

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THERE'S A BRIDGE STRUCTURE AND PEDESTRIAN TUNNEL. SO INSTEAD OF DOING JUST A STANDARD BRIDGE STRUCTURE, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING CON SPAN STRUCTURE. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT METHOD OF, UH OF THE BRIDGE, AND THAT COULD BE UPWARDS OF CLOSE TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OF A POTENTIAL REDUCTION. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. ALSO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE RETAINING WALLS. THIS IS THE BRIDGE STRUCTURES THE IF YOU REMEMBER, WE USED TO DO A LOT OF THE STONE VENEER REAL STONE. IF WE GO BACK AND DO WITH FORM LINER, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL SAVINGS THERE THAT WE CAN REALIZE ON THE PROJECT, SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE, EVEN THOUGH WE MOVE FORWARD THE BID TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO REDUCE COSTS ON THE PROJECT. IF YOU RECOMMEND IT IF WE MOVE FORWARD, NICOLA GONNA BE 23 POINT 3,000,539 DAYS, UH, START WOULD BE LATE SEPTEMBER EARLY OCTOBER AND WINTER OF 23 24 FOR FINAL COMPLETION I MENTIONED TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ARE MENTIONED AT LEAST ON YESTERDAY. MANY OF YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT IS IN CONJUNCTION JUNCTION WITH THE PSD CONSTRUCTING THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEY PUSH THAT OUT TO 2024 TO OPEN THE HIGH SCHOOL WHERE THEY CAME BACK TO US. JUST TWO WEEKS AGO THERE WANTED TO OPEN THE HIGH SCHOOL A YEAR EARLY. BUT THEY'RE WANTING TO OPEN IT UP AS A MIDDLE SCHOOL SO YEAH, WE HAD THE SAME REACTION COUNCIL MEMBER SO. SO THE TIME HERE WE THAT'S $600,000 SAVINGS. PART OF THAT WOULD BE TO DO A EASTBOUND ONLY ONE WAY TRAFFIC FOR EIGHT MONTHS TO BEGIN THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO GET TWO LANES CONCRETE DOWN FROM COID ALL THE WAY TO CUSTER AND THAT WOULD BE DONE IN THE FIRST PHASE . IT WOULD BE DONE SUMMER OF 2023, SO WE ESSENTIALLY COULD HAVE TWO LANES PAID IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL OR IN MIDDLE SCHOOL FOR THAT FIRST YEAR. AND GET THAT DONE BEFORE THEY OCCUPY THAT SCHOOL. AND THEN THAT FOLLOWING TIME FOR YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE PROJECT. WE COULD FINISH THE OTHER TWO LANES BEFORE THE HIGH SCHOOL OPENS. SO UNDER THIS SCENARIO, YOU KNOW WE COULD ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE SCHOOL NEEDS FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AS WELL AS THE HIGH SCHOOL AND WE KNOW WITH WITH SINA COLA QUALITY CONTRACTOR WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING WITH THE PARTNERSHIP WITH HIM IN FRONTIER PARKWAY. UH THEY'RE NOT ONLY ON SCHEDULE. THEY'RE BEATING THE SCHEDULE OUT THERE. THEY'VE GOT A GREAT TRACK RECORD. UM WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILED DETOUR NORTH OF FRONTIER THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE MULTI FAMILY THERE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN NOVEMBER. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT COMPLETE. THEY'RE ON SCHEDULE TO BE DONE. SEPTEMBER 8TH. AND HAVE THE OVERPASS OPEN BEFORE THE FIRST FOOTBALL GAME, AND THAT OVERALL PROJECT IS ABOUT SIX MONTHS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. SO YOU KNOW WE'RE VERY, VERY CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN GET THE JOB DONE. THE NEXT PROJECT, THE G ROAD WINDSONG RETAIL FISH TRAP G TWO TILL WE ALSO RECEIVED THREE PROPOSALS ON THIS PROJECT 284 DAYS TO 570 DAYS. THE PROJECT WAS AT 9.5 MILLION SINCE YOU WERE JUST A TAD BIT OVER BUDGET ON THAT ONE AS WELL. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION OF A MILLION DOLLARS OF THAT CAPITAL DEDICATED FUND AND THEN THE REMAINING REMAINING MONEY COMING FROM ESCROW FUNDS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FROM DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT THOSE ROADWAYS TO, UH , PUT IN FUTURE TURN LANES AND IMPROVEMENTS SO WE CAN USE THAT MONEY. THAT'S PART OF THAT PROJECT. TO OFFSET THE COSTS THAT ARE IN THAT BID THAT CONTRACTOR MCMAHON, THEY ARE THE LOWEST AND ALSO THE SHORTEST TIMEFRAME SO YOU CAN SEE BASED ON THE DIFFERENTIAL OF THE DAYS THERE. THEY WERE HUNGRY THAT THIS WAS THE THIRD PROJECT WE DID AND THEY WERE REALLY WANTING TO GET IT. SO THEY WERE HUNGRY FOR THIS PROJECT. THEY'VE ALREADY COME BACK WITH INITIAL COST SAVINGS ARE BETTER TO SEE A LITTLE UNDER 107,000. $484 WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT OTHER VALUE ENGINEERING. I CAN SAY ON THIS PROJECT WHAT WE WERE MAY WANT TO COME BACK WITH COUNCIL LATER ON, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT IS G ROAD, AS YOU KNOW, IS A PROJECT THAT WE ARE ASKING . DID COUNTY TO LOOK AT FUNDING THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE ULTIMATE SIX LANES? MHM. THIS PROJECT INCLUDES THE MEDIAN LANDSCAPING FERGIE ROAD, SO

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DON'T SPEND THAT MONEY AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK LATER ON AND DO A DIFFERENT PROJECT. YOU STILL HAVE TO SPEND MONEY SOMETIMES TO PUT THE LANDSCAPING IN. BUT YOU PUT IT IN ITS ULTIMATE LOCATION, NOT WHERE IT WOULD ACTUALLY GET RIPPED UP. AND HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO IT . ALL RIGHT. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO A COUPLE $100,000. I'M SORRY. GOOD, CHARLES. AH! YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS OUT OF NUMBER SIX. YES, SIR. THE FACT THAT WE ENDED UP SELECTING A BID AND OUR PARAMETERS SELECTED THE BID FOR US THAT GOT US A $23 MILLION BID. WHEN THERE'S A $20 MILLION BID. OUT THERE BY BY THE WAY BY CONTRACTORS THAT WE KNOW ARE VERY COMPETENT EQUALLY. IN FACT , WE SELECTED ONE OF THEM WERE SELECTING ONE OF THEM HERE TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY VERY CAPABLE . SO FROM A QUALIFICATION STANDPOINT, I GOT NO PROBLEM

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YOU KNOW, I MADE AN ISSUE OVER TWO MILLION IF I COULD SAY THREE MILLION HERE, I COULD SURE MAKE UP. SOME OF THAT. TO MAKE UP THAT TOO, AND GET THIS THING STARTED. BUT SO I'VE GOT A REAL PROBLEM, I THINK WE? WE SHOULDN'T SHOULD NOW THAT WE KNOW SOMETHING MORE ABOUT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL OPENING. I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK. REBID THIS AND GIVE IMPORTANT DATES. YOU GOT TO HAVE THE TWO LANES IN ON BY THE TIME THE MIDDLE SCHOOL OPENS AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE FOUR LANES COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE STARTING OF THE HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT NOW, THEY'VE GOT THE FOUR LANES COMPLETED. THAT'S WINTER. THAT'S NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. SO THE LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. IS OUT THERE THAT WE COULD SAVE. WELL AS MUCH AS $3 MILLION. IF WE RE BID IT NOW IT WOULD TAKE US 30 60 DAYS. LET'S SAY LONGER TO BID IT, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH CHASING $3 MILLION TO GO OUT AND REBID THIS THING UNDER NEW PARAMETERS SUCH THAT THE IMPORTANT DATES OR WHAT MATTERS THE TIME HOW LONG IT TAKES IN AS IMPORTANT AS THIS AS LONG AS YOU HIT THOSE TWO DATES. TWO LANES FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. FOUR LANES COMPLETE ABSOLUTELY COMPLETED WHEN WE OPENED THE HIGH SCHOOL TO ME, THAT'S WORTH SAVING $3 MILLION. AND TRYING TO GO OUT AND REBUILD IT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DAY'S WORK FOR THE OTHER TWO? THE NUMBER OF DAYS. YES MA'AM. THEY BOTH I LOOK AT IT. THEY BOTH THEY WERE DELIVERING AROUND YOU Y SO WE HAD SO. TISSUE WAS 660 DAYS IN MCMAHON'S 730 DAYS. SO WE DID IF WE IF WE DID IF REJECTION IF YOU REJECTED THE BIDS, UH WE COULD RE ADVERTISE AND POTENTIALLY LIKE YOU SAID, 60 DAYS COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN OCTOBER, 25TH. IF WE USE THE SAME TIMEFRAME LET'S SAY THIS IS THE SAME 539 DAYS SOMEBODY COMES IN IS THAT THEIR THEIR NUMBER OF DAYS THAT WOULD PUT THE COMPLETION OF MAY 20TH 2024 IF WE WERE TO WARD IN OCTOBER AND PROCEED, YOU KNOW, LATE NOVEMBER OF 2022. BUT YOU GET INTO A LITTLE BIT TIGHTNESS IF YOU HAVE CEOS. DAYS OF 660 WOULD PUT YOU IN SEPTEMBER. 18TH 2024 IN THE COMMAND. 730 DAYS WERE PUSHING FOR ALL FOUR LANES . NOT TOO. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THERE'LL BE 2020, FOR WHICH THE HIGH SCHOOL WILL BE OPEN. YOU CAN ALSO STRUCTURE YOUR PROPOSAL THAT REQUIRES THEM TO MEET THAT DATE, AND THEY CONTRACTORS CAN MEET AND ACCELERATED SCHEDULE. THEY MAY IF SO, EXAMPLE FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY WERE GONNA BID 20 MILLION TO GET YOU TO SEPTEMBER 15TH AND NOW YOU WANT IT BY JULY, 30TH. 45 DAY CUT. THEY MIGHT NOT CHARGE, YOU KNOW, GOT A COUPLE $100,000 TO ACCELERATE IT, BUT NOT $3 MILLION. SORT OF ME. YOU KNOW IT'S WORTH PURSUING THAT. MARCUS AND TEND TO AGREE WITH TRIALS THAT'S ON THE RECORD AROUND THAT ONE BIG STAR I KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE CONTRACTORS THAT WERE THE DOWN SELECTED CONTRACTORS. YOU'VE GOT 20 MILLION 200.4. AND THAT YOU KNOW, AGAIN AS A CONTRACTOR THAT WERE POTENTIALLY YOU'RE LOOKING TO FOR ANOTHER NUMBER SEVEN. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ADJUSTED SCHEDULE BECAUSE WITH THAT THEY'VE GOT FLEXIBILITY. AND AT MINIMUM, YOUR NEW STARTING POINT SHOULD BE THE 20.4 WITH THE ADJUSTED SCHEDULE. IMAGINE YOU'RE BACK DOWN TO YOUR ORIGINAL BUDGET AMOUNT. SO I AM KIND OF WITH ONE OF THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. I AT MINIMUM. WE NEED THE TWO LANES. WE DON'T NEED ALL FOUR OF THEM AT THIS TIME WITH THE NEW INFORMATION. IF WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO FIND THESE SAVINGS IN DIFFERENT AREAS IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GROW EVERYTHING AND ACCELERATE EVERY PROJECT WE'VE GOT WITH THE LIMITED FUNDS THAT WE HAVE SO I WOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AS WELL. THE TABLE AT LEAST OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS OR THERE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T YOU WANT TO GO JUST TO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM , SO LET'S JUST GO TO BACK TO. I DON'T NUMBER IF I COULD SAY MIRROR. I KNOW WE TALKED REALLY YESTERDAY, I'D SAY YOU KNOW AGAIN, THE OTHER OPTION IS YOU COULD DRINK AND WE CAN REJECT OR THE CSP CAN SIT. STILL, PROPOSAL DOES GIVE US THE OPTION TO NEGOTIATE. SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE WITH ALL THREE BIDDERS KNOW WITH JUST ONE JUST THE ONE WE WANTED TO GO BACK TO THEM. BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING NO, DON'T CONTINUE WITH CYNICAL OFFENSIVE THE YOU KNOW HE'S TALKED ABOUT SOME SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL SAVINGS. THOSE ARE DESIGN RELATED SAVINGS THAT ALSO WOULD REDUCE THE OTHER CONTRACTORS BIDS. BUT IF HE GOES BACK TO CYNICAL, OLA AND SAYS, HEY, LOOK , THIS THING YOU KNOW, NEED TO

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TABLE IT AND GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO GO TALK TO CYNICAL AND SEE IF WE CAN GET GET SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT THAT'S MY QUESTION. WHY WOULD YOU NOT GO IF YOU YOU CAN'T JUST TABLE AND GO BACK TO ONE COMPETITOR? I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE HIGHEST RANKED BIDDER, NICOLA AND IF YOU HAVE SOME PARAMETERS THERE WERE SHOOTING FOR WE CAN CONTINUE DOWN THAT ROAD. I WOULD ALSO ASK TERRY BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING ALSO JUST KIND OF POPPED IN MY HEAD IF NEGOTIATIONS ARE UNSUCCESSFUL , WITH THE HIGHEST RING BIDDER, I THINK YOU HAVE THE OPTION ALSO TO CANCEL THOSE NEGOTIATIONS AND GO TO THE NEXT SECOND RANK. ORDER TO CHECK ON THAT VERSUS REJECTION. WOW OKAY, THAT'S RIGHT, SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND THERE. IS ONLINE, CORRECT.

YES YES, I'M OKAY. I WILL SAY THIS ONE IS THAT I'M UNCOMFORTABLE. WITH THE OVER RIDGE. IN LIGHT OF IT, SAYING, OTHER VALUE ENGINEERING BEING EVALUATED. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE NUMBERS THERE. I THAT TO ME IS JUST WAY TOO VAGUE. AND THIS IS I MEAN, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE OBVIOUSLY ARE WAY OVER BUDGET. AND SO THIS ONE, I THINK IF WE HAVE A CHANCE TO JUST PUSH PAUSE FOR TWO WEEKS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE THAT I WOULD PREFER TO DO THAT. I'M GAME WITH TABLING THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING. LET HIM BRING BACK THE BEST HE CAN GET FROM SENECAL, A CYNICAL AND KNOWING AND THEY'RE ONLINE. THEY'RE HEARING THIS, KNOWING THAT WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS NUMBER. AND IF WE DON'T GET THAT GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE WITH THEM, THEN HOPEFULLY WE'VE CONCLUDED BY THEM, HE COULD DROP SINA COLA AND GO TO THE SECOND CONTRACT. YEAH WE HAVE OUR TOWN ATTORNEY ONLINE IF YOU JUST MEET HIM FOR A SECOND TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION. IF YOU IN MIND, TERRY , HOPEFULLY YOU'RE ONLINE. YOU CAN HEAR IF YOU GIVE US SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE PROCESS ON THE COMPETITIVE SEALED BID NEGOTIATIONS ARE. AND I HOPE YOU CAN. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, YES. OKAY. WHAT WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS WE CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS WITH HIGHEST RANKED BIDDER. AND THEN IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, WE HAVE THE OPTION THAT ARE GOING TO THE NEXT HIGHEST RANKED BIDDER, OR WE CAN. WE CAN REJECT OUR BIDS, AND WE CAN DO THAT IN A RESOLUTION REJECTS ALL BUSINESS PROJECTS AND SEND IT OUT TO REBID. OKAY. THANK YOU, TERRY. YOU'RE WELCOME. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS, GIVING THE FURTHER AN AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING ITEM NUMBER SIX UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, GIVING THE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN NEGOTIATED ON THE SEA. OKAY WE STILL NEED ALL THE TIME REQUIREMENTS. WELL, IT'S THE CONTRACT HAS A NUMBER OF DAYS. OKAY? JUST PUSH OUT. YOU WANT TO

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[7. Consider and act upon awarding CSP No. 2022-50-B to McMahon Contracting, LP, related to construction services for the Fishtrap (Teel - Gee Road) & Gee Road (Fishtrap - Windsong Retail) project; and authorizing the Interim Town Manager to execute a construction agreement for same. (HW)]

[8. Consider and act upon awarding CSP No. 2022-51-B to Mario Sinacola & Sons Excavating, Inc., related to construction services for the Fishtrap (Elem - DNT) - 4 lanes project; and authorizing the Interim Town Manager to execute a construction agreement for same. (HW)]

[9. Discussion regarding open fence standards and screening requirements. (DS)]

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I DON'T THINK THAT THE TRAIL WHERE IT IS. IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE. IT WAS THERE WHEN THEY PLAN THE DEVELOPMENT SO UM, WHEN PEOPLE BUY THOSE HOUSES ALONG THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL, THEY KNOW IT'S THERE AND THEY SHOULD KNOW, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE SO UM, THAT BEING SAID, I DIDN'T SUPPORT IT THEN, AND I STILL DON'T SUPPORT ANY TYPE OF VARIANTS NOW. THANK YOU. YEAH, I REALLY CONCUR. WITH. REMEMBER TIM HODGES? UM, I HAVE AN IRON FENCE. ALL AROUND MY PROPERTY, AND I THINK THERE YOU KNOW WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF PROPERTY, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME KIND OF LANDSCAPING. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE THE WHOLE PURPOSE AND FEEL. OF HAVING THAT FENCE AND I THINK, ESPECIALLY ON ON A TRAIL LIKE THIS. I THINK YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME REAL INCONSISTENCIES AS FAR AS THE KIND OF ARTIFICIAL MATERIALS OR WHATEVER. AND UM, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK GREAT. IN 10 YEARS. IT MAY REQUIRE SOME SOME DOING TO PUT LANDSCAPING BACK THERE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT IN TERMS OF SCREENING, BUT THERE'S SOME REALLY RELIABLE OPPORTUNITIES. HISTORIC PLANTS GO, SO I'M DEFINITELY AGAINST THOSE ALTERNATE MATERIALS, OKAY? OTHER COMMENTS, COUNCIL MEMBERSK THAT THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE HERE AND HAVE THIS KIND OF CAME

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[10. Consider and act upon a resolution disapproving the Denton Central Appraisal District (DCAD) 2023 Budget. (RBS)]

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[11. Conduct a public hearing to receive public input, consider such input and discuss the FY 2022-2023 Budget as proposed. (RBS)]

WHILE BETTY PAMPLIN IS OUT. AND SHE HAS DONE YEOMAN'S WORK IN TERMS OF COMING IN ON SHORT NOTICE AND HELPING US PULL THE BUDGET TOGETHER. AND HAVE ALSO RECEIVED HELP FROM MICHELLE OR TOWN SECRETARY CARE CHERYL AND OTHERS WHO ALL JOINED IN TO PUT THE BUDGET PACKET TOGETHER AND IT WAS GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SANDY. THANK YOU FOR STEPPING IN MICHELLE, ALL THE REST OF THE TEAM THAT HELPED ME GET TO THIS POINT. WITH THAT THE FLOOR IS YOURS. OKAY, UH, IF I WAS A KID, I WOULD BE SAYING ARE WE THERE YET? AND THE ANSWER IS WERE CLOSE, BUT NOT QUITE AH, YOU CAN SEE YOUR CALENDAR. WE ARE AT A MAJOR POINT OF HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC. UH AND UH, WE HAVE UH, GOTTEN TO, UH, THIS POINT BY PRESENTING THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET TO THE COUNCIL AND THEN GETTING INSTRUCTIONS AND THE COUNCIL GAVE US VERY SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS IN TERMS OF. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE DISCRETIONARY PACKETS, WHICH WE HAVE COMPLETED. WE THEN TOOK THOSE TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE YESTERDAY THEY MADE SOME ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WILL TALK ABOUT TOWARDS THE END. AND NOW WE'RE AT THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE PUBLIC HEARING. AND ONCE WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THAN THE COUNCIL , UH, WILL CONSIDER THAT ANY INPUT RECEIVED AND DELIBERATE THE BUDGET. GIVE US ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS. WE ALSO, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HAVE A BUDGET TOWN HALL MEETING, WHICH WILL BE A LITTLE LESS FORMAL SETTING. THAT PEOPLE CITIZENS CAN COME AND RECEIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BUDGET. AND THEN WE'RE PLANNING . ADOPTION UM ON SEPTEMBER 13TH AND. ANY INPUT. WE RECEIVE ANY INSTRUCTIONS. WE WILL THEN GO BACK AND MAKE THOSE REQUIRED CHANGES. AND THEN THOSE WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 13TH IN THE FORM OF AN ADOPTION VERSION OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, SO YOU HAVE ONE LAST LOOK AT IT. IF YOU SO CHOOSE SEPTEMBER 13TH, YOU CAN MAKE ADDITIONAL TWEAKING, BUT THIS IS REALLY THE TIME TO HOPEFULLY PUT A GIVE US THE FINAL INSTRUCTIONS SO THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER UH, THE ADOPTED BUDGET. SO WHAT'S NEW THIS YEAR? WE'VE MADE A LOT OF REVISIONS. WE CHANGED SEVERAL FINANCIAL POLICIES, MOST SIGNIFICANT OF WHICH ARE, UH, THE OPERATIONS TO DEBT SERVICE.

LEVY IS NOW 60 40. IT WAS 65 35 , WHICH AT OUR 51 CENT TAX RATE MAKES THE MAXIMUM DEBT SERVICE RATE 20.4 CENTS. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LAST COUNCIL MEETING. BUT THEN WE ALSO LOWERED THE DEBT MAXIMUM 24% OF TAX BULL SUSPECT VALUE. ONE OF THE TWO ME MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS WE'VE TAKEN OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS LEVY AND DIVIDED

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HOPEFULLY IT'S A LITTLE MORE, UH , UNDERSTANDABLE. WE ADDED AN ASSIST VALUATION ANALYSIS SECTION TO THE BUDGET TO EXPLAIN SINCE PROPERTY TAXES OUR LARGEST SINGLE SOURCE OF REVENUE. AH JUST HOW THAT'S CHANGING FROM YEAR TO YEAR. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT, UM. RECURRING VERSUS NON RECURRING IN THE PAST . WE'VE LUMP THOSE ALL TOGETHER . NOW WE'RE SEPARATING THEM AND OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES HAVE BEEN MODIFIED TO STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A BALANCED BUDGET WITH RECURRING REVENUES MORE. OR THE SAME AS RECURRING EXPENDITURES. WE ADDED FIVE YEAR STAFFING PROJECTIONS WHICH WILL GO THROUGH SO THAT WE CAN ALWAYS BE LOOKING FIVE YEARS OUT. UH WE HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT INFLATION IMPACTS ON SALARY, COMPETITIVENESS AND COSTS. WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED SOME OF THOSE COST OVERRUNS WITH EARLIER ITEMS AND THEN WE'RE CREATING A SOLID WASTE FUND. SO I SUSPECT YOU ATION TAX RATE OR KEEPING THE 51 CENT TAX RATE. WE WERE ABLE TO SHIFT JUST UNDER 2/10 OF A CENT FROM DEBT SERVICE BACK TO MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS DUE TO STRONG GROWTH AND EXCESS COLLECTIONS FROM PRIOR YEAR. UM AND THEN WE ESTABLISHED THAT CAPITAL DEDICATED THE LEVEE. WE ARE UP TO, UM, THIS, SAYS 11.6 CENTS. WE'VE TWEAKED IT TO 10 POINT. IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT 10.8 IS HOW IT COMES OUT. IN THE BOOK , AND YOU CAN SEE WE ARE TAKING 7.2 MILLION AND INVESTING IT IN PROSPER. FOR ROADS AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, WHICH IS VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. AND IN FACT, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WELL OVER HALF OF THE TOTAL TAX LEVY IS NOW GOING TO CAPITAL INVESTMENT. WE HAVE OUR 18 CENTS. DEBT SERVICE LEVY. PLUS THIS LEVEE. WE'RE AT ALMOST 30 CENTS OF OUR 51 CENT TAX RATE GOING STRAIGHT INTO THE CAPITAL NEEDS OF THE TOWN. AH AND THEN JUST THE LAST POINT I WOULD MAKE AVERAGE TAXABLE HOMESTEAD. HAS INCREASED FROM THE 504,000 LAST YEAR TO 539,000. SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR REVENUES I'VE LISTED THESE HERE? YOU CAN SEE ALL THESE REVENUES ARE GOING UP WITH ONE EXCEPTION, IMPACT FEES AND AGAIN. AS WE MATURE AS A TOWN AND WE HAVE PARTS OF TOWN, AND WE PARTICULARLY SEE IT ON THE EAST SIDE IMPACT THESE WERE HAVING LESS AND LESS DEVELOPMENT , WHICH MEANS LESS AND LESS IMPACT FEES. AND THEN GRANTS ARE GOING UP PRIMARILY DUE TO TWO THINGS. A PARKS GRANT AND A AND R ARPAIO CARE FUNDS ACT. SO ONE OF THE PRIMARY QUESTIONS I ASKED

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THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY. BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET AND THE C I P FOR 2023, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM MARCH JULY 12TH MEETING. UH WHAT WE DON'T LIKE THE YEARS PASSED FROM THE JULY 12TH MEETING TO THE TUNE TONIGHT . I'M SHOWING YOU IN RED. WHAT HAS CHANGED, SO I'LL RUN THROUGH THAT REAL QUICKLY WITH YOU, UH, PROJECTS IN BLACK THAT WE HAVE AS WELL AS THE CHANGES THAT I'M SHOWING AND RED. SO OUR STREET PROJECTS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE FIRST STREET DNT COLEMAN PROJECT THAT YOU'RE WELL, WHERE WERE YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD THE RIGHT AWAY, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WILL BE PURSUING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PROJECT. THE NEXT THREE PROJECTS, THE FIRST STREET G AND FISH TRAP WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TONIGHT. WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THE CHANGES ON THE FIRST THREE COIN TO CUSTOMER PROJECT.

THE CHANGES IN RED, THEY'RE SHOWN BASED ON WHAT WAS PROPOSED NOT WITH THE CAPITAL DEDICATED OF 15 IN THE, UH 1.495 WAS FOR THE EAST THOROUGHFARES. SO THAT'LL CHANGE, BUT ON THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WILL COME BACK TO YOU. THE TELL US 3 80 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. THAT'S 670 THAT WAS IN THE C I. P FOR THE CURRENT YEAR THERE WERE UNDER BASED ON THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER. THAT'S JUST BEING MOVED TO THIS COMING YEAR BECAUSE WE KNOW WE WON'T ACTUALLY KICK OFF CONSTRUCTION UNTIL LATE THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR. AND THE REST OF THE PROJECTS HAVEN'T CHANGED, AND SHE'S ON ONE JULY 12 BEING THE $800,000 THAT WE WANT TO KICK OFF AND GET OUR RIGHT AWAY.

ACQUISITION UNDERWAY FOR COIT FROM FIRST TO FRONTIER. THE PRESTON ROAD. FIRST STREET, PRESTON ROAD, PROSPER TRAIL TURN LANES. MONEY FOR THAT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. THE DESIGN CONTRACT FOR THAT WE DO ANTICIPATE BRINGING THAT BEFORE OCTOBER 1 TO THE COUNCIL FOR WARD. AH NEW PROJECT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WAS THE COIN US. 3 80 SOUTHBOUND DO LEFT TURNS PRETTY MUCH MILK THE SIGNAL THERE AND FIRST GO AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND NEED THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THERE TO GET THAT DUAL LEFT CONSTRUCTED. ON THE 14 61 175,000 IS OUR LAST PAYMENT FOR THE RIGHT AWAY AND UTILITY RELOCATIONS FOR THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN A ADDITIONAL COLEMAN PROJECTS. THOSE TWO NEXT PROJECTS OR THE MONEY ALLOCATED FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION . THOSE PROJECTS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN. THE NEXT PROJECT PARVIN 13 85 LEGACY MANY OF YOU THE WORD. OUR MEETING LAST THURSDAY HEARD SOME SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT PROJECT THAT HE 100,000 IS TO HELP FUND OUR PORTION OF WHAT SELENA AND

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OKAY, QUICK QUESTION. SORRY. ON THESE ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COSTS. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THESE WERE VALIDATED AND GIVEN TONIGHT'S INFORMATION? YEAH WE VALIDATED, VALIDATED RIGHT BEFORE THE JULY 12. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY GONE UP SINCE THEN. ON THESE, UH YES. SO. OKAY AND HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ON THESE BEING IN AND OUT THERE. SEVERAL MONTHS, HOPEFULLY. THINGS WILL STABILIZE BY THE END, BUT WHO KNOWS? SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS. THANK YOU. UH ON THE TRAFFIC PROJECTS . WE'VE GOT JUST THE MEDIAN LIGHTING. THAT'S A DESIGN ON 3 80 MAY ART LOVERS THAT'S OUR COST PARTICIPATION. THAT'S A ADDITIONAL FUNDING. WE'RE WORKING WITH FRISCO ON THAT TO PARTICIPATE ON THE DESIGN FOR THAT, AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS OUR LAST REMAINING PORTION OF THAT, UH, THEN WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT CUSTER IN FIRST THAT THE TEXT ARTS FUNDING ON THAT PROJECT. AND THEN ON PARK PROJECTS THAT ADVANCE BACK THERE, SO I MUST TRY TO STEAL HIS THUNDER. IF I GET THIS WRONG, HE'LL COME SAVE ME. WE ADDED PECAN GROVE PHASE TWO. SORRY, NOT SAY TOO. YOU WANT TO SPILL THE ADDITIONAL 115,000 TO FINISH OUT THAT PROJECT. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE $725,000 ALLOCATED SO THAT 265,000 COMES OUT OF THEIR PARK PARK DEVELOPMENT FUND. THE LAKEWOOD PRESERVE PHASE TO THIS PROJECT WAS, I BELIEVE A DECISION PACKAGES THE GENERAL FUND BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. YOU'LL SEE THAT LATER ON YOUR PRESENTATION, SO I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR THUNDER. ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO LOOK AT AND SEE IF WE COULD USE THE OTHER FUNDING BESIDES THE GENERAL FUND, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO USE PARK DEVELOPMENT FUND FOR THAT, SO WE'RE SHOWING THAT CHANGE HERE TO USE THAT FOR 100,000 OUT OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FUND, THE WINDSONG PHASE THREE DESIGN. THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL 100,000 AND NEED TO FINISH THAT DESIGN SO THAT THE NEXT PROJECT OR THE NEXT LINE OUT IN THE 650,000 ESTIMATED OUT OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT THEY CAN THEY CAN DO THAT CONSTRUCTION OF THE ONE SONG ONE SONG PARK NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD, PART NUMBER THREE. AND IN THE 200,000 IS THE ESTIMATE CONSTRUCTION OF STAR TRAILS. PARK BIKE TRAIL SYSTEM, AND THAT'S ANOTHER PART DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WE HAVE THE WEST SIDE. WATER LINE TRAIL. THIS WAS A ACTUALLY GEO BOND. FUNDED PROJECT. USING THESE BONDS TOWARDS THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN TO DEVELOP A PORTION OF TRAILS ON THAT SIDE OR THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. AND THEN THE LAST PROJECT SHOWN WE PUT THAT ON THERE. UH SINCE JULY, 12TH JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS OUR C I P. IT'S 100% FUNDED BY TEXT, ODD. SO YOU SEE THAT IN THE NON TOWN FUNDING, AND THAT'S TO DO THE GREEN RIBBON LANDSCAPING FROM ON 3 80 FROM LOVERS TO MAYOR. ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE OKAY? AND THEN A FACILITY PROJECTS LIKE BOB BOB MENTIONED. I KIND OF JUMPED AHEAD AND SPENT THAT SEVEN IT'S BEEN ALL 7.2 MILLION . I SPENT THE 3.75 MILLION BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, ALREADY TRIED TO SPEND 3.25. SO THIS WAS JUST PROPOSED, IF DEPENDING ON THE CONVERSATION ON THE FIRE STATION, SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF AN IDEA WITH THE CAPITAL DEDICATED ON BUT WE'LL COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL SOMETIME LATER IN, AND IT WORKED THE OTHER ADDITIONAL FUNDING OUT. TO THE FIRE STATION. UH THE ENTERPRISE FROM THE WATER PROJECTS. UH, WE'VE GOT OUR PHASE TWO OF OUR PHASE TWO A OF OUR WATERLINE YOU EARLIER THIS YEAR WE APPROVED THE PUMP STATION PROJECT IN A SMALL PORTION OF WATER LINE OUT OF THE PUMP STATION. THIS WILL EXTEND THE WATERLINE OVER ALL THE WAY TO COIN AND THAT WILL COMPLETE OUR LOW PRESSURE PLANE CONNECTION WHICH WILL THEN PUT THE FISH TRAP ELEVATED STORAGE

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AND THE OTHER THIRD OF THE IMPACT ANALYSIS. WILL COME OUT OF THE WATER PROJECTS FUND. AND IN THE WASTEWATER PROJECTS. WE'VE GOT FIRST TO PROJECT THE FIRST PROJECTS THE DOUGH BRANCH INTERCEPTOR CONSTRUCTION NICE OUTSIDE FOR OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S THAT. THEY'RE PARALLEL LINE.

IT'S GOING TO GO FROM THERE TO LIFT OUR TREATMENT. PLAN IT OVER ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN ABDUL BRANCH WE'VE GOT THE UPPER DOUGH BRANCH WASTEWATER LINE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY DESIGNING ALREADY.

AND THIS IS MONEY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. THIS TAKES IT ALL THE WAY OVER PAST THE D AND T IN FRONTIER. TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE FRONTIER AT THE DNT. THE NEXT TWO LINES WITH THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE WASTEWATER LINE THAT WILL FACILITATE FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR AS WELL AS THAT SIDE OF AREA OF TOWN. AND THE LAST ITEM IS THE LAST THIRD. OF THE IMPACT THE ANALYSIS. ANY QUESTIONS? IS THAT ALL YOU'RE DOING? YES OKAY. MONEY. THANK YOU. OH YES. THANK YOU. HEALING. THANK YOU. DON'T ENCOURAGE HIM.

OKAY, SO. IT'S NO ACCIDENT THAT WE ARE STACKING A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN. RIGHT NEXT TO THE FIVE YEAR STAFFING PLAN BECAUSE AGAIN ONE OF THE BIG DECISIONS POLICY DECISIONS. COUNCIL HAS IS THAT BALANCE BETWEEN SERVICES? AND BUILDING THE TOWN. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE JAMES EDWARDS COME AND PRESENT THE FIVE YEAR STAFFING PLAN. THIS IS OUR FIVE YEAR STAFFING FIRST FIVE YEARS STAFFING PLAN. AND IT'S GONNA. REQUIRED TWEAKING. WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE TWEAKING. BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF IT IS ALREADY WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE NUMBERS, PARTICULARLY FOR NEXT YEAR. YOU'RE GROWING THIS. THESE ARE GOING TO NEED TO CHANGE AND WE KNOW THAT BUT IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU PUT THEM DOWN ON PAPER FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THAT YOU CAN REALLY START WORKING ON THAT. WITH THAT, JAMES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AS BOB SAID, I'M HERE TO JUST DISCUSS THE DEPARTMENTS PUT TOGETHER THEIR FIVE YEAR STAFFING PLAN PROJECTIONS. UM.

THIS IS INFORMATION THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GROWING AT A RAPID PACE.

AND UH, THE PROJECTIONS SHOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO TOP OUT AROUND 72,000. UM SOMEWHERE AROUND 2030. SO WE BENCHMARKED. YOU KNOW OUR 10 BENCHMARK CITIES , UM, AND THE AVERAGE POPULATION IN THOSE 10 BENCHMARK CITIES IS AROUND 67,000 POPULATION, UH, TAKING INTO MIND THAT THAT INCLUDES MAKING IN FRISCO. UM SO THE AVERAGE STAFF SIZE IS ABOUT 500 EMPLOYEES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AT, UH, STAFF PER 10,000 CITIZENS ARE COMING AROUND AT ABOUT 74. EMPLOYEES PER 10,000.

UM WHEN YOU TAKE MCKINNEY AND FRISCO OUT THAT DROPS THE BENCHMARK CITIES UNDER 50,000 IN POPULATION WITH AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 36,000. AND THEN THE AVERAGE STAFFING LEVEL GOES TO

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SOME ADDITIONAL STAFFING TO CONSIDER BEYOND THOSE FIVE YEARS. IS IF WE BUILD A STANDALONE LIBRARY IF WE BUILD A REC CENTER, UM, WHEN WE DECIDED TO BUILD THE FIFTH FIRE STATION , THOSE THOSE STAFFING NUMBERS AREN'T INCLUDED IN THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE BEYOND THOSE FIVE YEARS OUT. WHAT ABOUT THE SENIOR CENTER FOR US, OLD FOLKS? THAT WOULD BE, UH HOPEFULLY, THAT WOULD BE A COMBO REC CENTER SLASH UM OKAY. YEAH. BUT I WANT YOU TO FORGET ME HERE TO HELP ME ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKS. QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? YES, SIR. HMM SO ON THIS $19 MILLION, THIS IS JUST THE STAFFING COSTS AND FRINGE RIGHT ? TM RSS DOES NOT COUNT THE VEHICLES EQUIPMENT, CORRECT ADDITIONAL COSTS, SO. YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT MINIMUM DOUBLE THIS I HAD IT ALL THAT CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHICH VEHICLES NEED, UM I'M SORRY WHICH POSITIONS NEED THE VEHICLES VERSUS WHICH ONES I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A GOOD IDEA. BUT NO, SIR. THEY DO NOT INCLUDE THAT. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE. IN YOUR GENERAL FUND SUMMARY. WHEN WE SHOW YEAR BY YEAR. WHAT YOU'LL SEE. MARCUS IS BOTH THE RECURRING, WHICH IS THE STAFFING. BUT THEN WE CAME UP WITH NOT TOTALLY ACCURATE, BUT WE SAID WHAT IS A TYPICAL AMOUNT NEW POLICE OFFICER. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TATA. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BODY ARMOR. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RUGGEDIZED COMPUTERS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RADIOS. AND SO WE JUST CAME UP WITH A AVERAGE NUMBER. AND THEN, AS WE WERE ADDING POLICE OFFICERS WE USE

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OKAY, SO CAN YOU GO? BACK TO WHERE IT SHOWS HOW MANY PER 10,000 OKAY? SO IF OUR BENCHMARK CITIES UNDER 50,000 ARE AT 85. 0.72 PER 10,000. WHAT THAT MEANS TO ME IS THAT IN ORDER TO AT 81 EMPLOYEES NEXT YEAR, WHICH I THINK WAS YOUR NUMBER WE WOULD NEED TO GROW BY 10,000. TO MAKE IT THEORETICALLY. YES, SO THAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO CHANGE. OKAY SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, IF WE IF OUR DIRECTION IS TO GROW AS OUR POPULATION GROWS, WHICH I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT BUDGET. YOU KNOW OUR POPULATION GROWTH FROM LAST YEAR THIS YEAR, WE SHOULD BE ADDING AROUND 36 EMPLOYEES. I THINK THAT'S ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE. NEXT YEAR. WITH A BOOM WE SHOULD BE ADDING 43 WITH A PAUSE. WE SHOULD BE ADDING 30. SO THAT I THINK THAT'S MY ENCOURAGEMENT IS THAT WE'RE YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL CONTINUES TO BELIEVE WHEN WE WHEN WE STRATEGICALLY PLANNED THAT OUR EMPLOYEES NEED TO GROW AS OUR POPULATION GROWS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXACT. I KNOW THAT. BUT I THINK 80 IS LIKE WHERE A OUT OF WHACK FROM FROM WHERE WE NEED TO BE SO YOU KNOW , THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY THERE'LL BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, BUT I THINK FOR ME LOOKING AT THAT AND HUGE NUMBER, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PLANNING PROCESS MOVING FORWARD AND PROJECTIONS. IF WE'RE GROWING WITH OUR POPULATION GROWTH INSTEAD OF JUST ABSOLUTELY CRAZY, CRAZY, WOULDN'T IT BE SAFE TO SAY IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? I'M SORRY. GO BACK THE OTHER WAY AGAIN. OR MAYBE IT WAS THAT WAY WITH THE WITH THE YEARS LISTED OUT IN FIVE YEARS. FIVE YEAR PLAN. YEAH STAFF PLAN. TWO MORE SORRY RIGHT THERE. SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY, 81? YOU SAID, YOU KNOW THAT'S TOO HIGH AND THEN YOU GO TO 45, WHICH IS PROBABLY RIGHT ON BUT THAT 81 IS GOING TO DROP DOWN. SO PROBABLY NEXT YEAR. WE MIGHT HAVE 80 AGAIN, RIGHT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE HOLDER. AND THEN 26. WOULD TAKE AWAY MAYBE THE 14 THAT WERE MISSING AND SO ON. SO EVERY YEAR TO GET TO THAT 209 YOU'RE AVERAGING ABOUT 40 EMPLOYEES. IF YOU KIND OF MAINTAIN THAT SAME RACE WOULD TAKE IT AS ABOUT 40 EMPLOYEES OVER FIVE YEARS, OKAY? SO JUST ADD ONTO THAT I THINK IN THAT GENERAL DIRECTION. IF YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF YOUR STAFFING PLAN, AND WE GET TO THE 54,523 POPULATION THAT THEN YIELDS AND 96.3 STAFF PRETEND 1000, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE ALL OF THE COMPARATIVE CITIES, IT IS, YES, AND IT'S THIS IS JUST A BALLPARK. IT'S JUST AN EXERCISE , SO TO ADDRESS SOME WORK, UH COUNCILMAN HODGE IS GOING YES.

TWO. OH, NINE IS A HIGH NUMBER. OVERALL SO THEY MAY ROLL, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET HIRED ON THAT, TOO. I THINK YOU KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO CALL OUT OUR DISCUSSION. WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT COMPARISON CITIES. IF YOU JUST DO STRAIGHT MATH HERE, THAT'S $90,000 A PERSON RIGHT ON THE HEAD COUNT PER PROPOSED. AND ON AVERAGE, WHILE I WOULD LIKE TO THINK WE'RE THE JEWEL OF THE CROWN. WE DON'T PAY EVERYBODY $90,000 PER CAPITA, RIGHT? UM WE SHOULD PAY OUR PEOPLE. I THINK THE BEST AND I THINK WE DO A GREAT JOB OF THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT COMPARISON CITIES ANALYSIS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLDING IN THE RIGHT COMPONENTS. BECAUSE COMPARING OURSELVES TO AREAS THAT ARE NOT EVEN IN OUR GEOGRAPHIC AREA. UM, GIVES US A FALSE ASSUMPTION. AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE THERE SO TO KEEP THE IDEA OF THIS SOON TO BE PUBLIC HEARING AT MOVING FORWARD. I THINK

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YOU BUILD EACH OF THOSE THAT BUMP SHOULD BEYOND. OUT OF OUT OF THE PARAMETERS. YOU KNOW EACH TIME YOU DO THAT, AND THEN HOPEFULLY YOU COME BACK WITHIN IT, SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY THESE ARE LOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING OUT HERE AS SOON AS WE BUILD SOMETHING AGAIN. THEN THEY'RE GONNA POP. BACK UP HIGHER. YOU HAVE ANOTHER YEAR OF 80. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER YEAR, SO IT'LL AVERAGE BUT IF YOU CAN SLOW DOWN THAT GROWTH ABSOLUTELY. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SAVED TWO MILLION ON THE FIRE STATION NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? IN THE FIRE STATION. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IDENTIFIED FUNDING WISE . I MEAN FOR ANY OF THESE THINGS, THAT'S MY POINT. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, IT'S MISLEADING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ADDING THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THE FACILITIES. THOSE COMPETITIVE CITIES. A LOT OF THEM HAVE. COUPLED ADDED AN ART CENTER AT $20 MILLION. SO I GUESS I WHERE WE GO ON THIS IS I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR PUTTING THIS OUT THERE SO WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

SO THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS IS LEADING TO. SO WE GOT GOOD GOOD FEEDBACK ON THIS PART . IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT , MOST IMPORTANT THING, ABSOLUTELY MOVE ON, AND I WILL SAY THIS BUDGET YEARS PAINFUL. BUT BY DOING THINGS LIKE THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR AND THE BUDGET YEAR AFTER ARE GOING TO BE MUCH SMOOTHER. BECAUSE BY HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS NOW THEN WE CAN START BUILDING IN OUR PLANNING, AND WE CAN SMOOTH THESE YEARS OUT. AND START DECIDING WHICH WILL BE THE YEAR OF FIRE, WHICH WILL BE THE YEAR OF PLACE, WHICH WILL BE THE YEAR OF OTHER POSITIONS, AND WE CAN SMOOTH ALL THESE NUMBERS OUT. BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FIVE YEARS OUT. AND THAT WAS A BIG BIG REASON FOR THIS EXERCISE. OKAY SO, UH, HERE IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. UM MARCUS, HERE IS THE GENERAL FUND SUMMARY AND JUST TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT, UH , TO GET IT ON THE SLIDE AND STILL HAVE IT LEGIBLE. WE COMPRESSED. AH A LOT OF NUMBERS TOGETHER, SO WE JUST HAVE DEPARTMENT EXPENDITURES. WE HAVE OUR TRANSFER. NOW YOU'RE SAYING WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU SAID 7.2 MILLION. IT'S 4.9 OF RECURRING. AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THAT 7.2 MILLION. IS, UH. NON RECURRING, SO 2.2 SO HAVE THAT BALANCED BUDGET OF RECURRING TO RECURRING. AND SO WE, UH DIVIDED UP BETWEEN THOSE TWO COMPONENTS AND THE BIG MESSAGE HERE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS SIMPLY FOR PLANNING PURPOSES AND TO START IDENTIFYING WHAT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE THIS YEAR. YOU CAN SEE A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN PREVIOUS YEARS IN TERMS OF. BASED ON ALL THE POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED FOR. WE ALREADY HAVE TO MAKE SOME SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR ASKS BECAUSE WE'RE SHOWING WE'RE GOING TO BE 88% BELOW THE MINIMUM RESERVE REQUIREMENTS. AND SUPPOSEDLY HAVE A $6.2 MILLION UNDER. AH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 11.1 UNDER. FOR PLANNING YEAR 25 SO FORTH SO YOU CAN SEE IN PREVIOUS YEARS. WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THE NUMBERS IN WE DIDN'T SHOW YOU THE IMPACT OF ANY NON ANY OF THE NON RECURRING . WE ALSO DIDN'T SHOW YOU THE IMPACT OF ANY NON SWORN STAFF.

WE ONLY BUILT IN THE PROJECTED ADDITIONS FOR POLICE AND FIRE. SO NOW WE'RE ADDING IT ALL IN

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UM IS THAT WE HAVE THIS IN PLACE TO KEEP US FULLY FUNDED ON A REGULAR BASIS OF REPLACING VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE IN SERVICE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH EXTENSIVE RE COST EVERY TIME WE HAVE SOME FUNDING AVAILABLE. UM BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS LOOKING AT, UM REDUCING OUR OVERALL RESERVES WITH THE CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THIS AMOUNT IS BUILDING UP OVER TIME. WE FULLY INTEND TO USE IT. IT MAKES GOOD SENSE TO HAVE IT. THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR US TO HAVE IT, BUT IT IT'S IT ADDS TO THE OVERLY CONSERVATIVE NATURE OF HAVING THE ADDITIONAL RESERVE. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. UM PROSPEROUS A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL IN THAT YOU HAVE A CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR 20% ALREADY. YEAH. I'VE NOT SEEN THAT BEFORE TO HAVE A CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR A MINIMUM RESERVE. AND MANY CITIES WILL HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE. A 60 DAY.

FUND BALANCE. SO UM, WHICH IS 16? WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO DO THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT. AND THEN WE ALWAYS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM. SO 1% AND SO THAT'S AN ESSENCE OF 75 DAY. MINIMUM BORS ARE WHICH IS VERY ADEQUATE. AND IT'S EVEN MORE ADEQUATE WHEN

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TO BE CLEAR. MAKE SURE I SAY THIS CORRECTLY. I'M THE NEW GUY. THAT CHARTER REQUIREMENTS, THE 20, BUT WE'VE BEEN DOING AN ADDITIONAL 5% ON TOP OF THAT. SO A TOTAL OF 25 25% SO THIS WOULD REDUCE THAT OVERALL 25 TO 21. SO 4. RIGHT AFTER THE BUDGETS ADOPTED, THAT'S NOT THE ACTION ITEM FOR IT RIGHT. AND THAT THAT WAS THE SUGGESTION IS GET THE BUDGET ADOPTED IN OCTOBER. BRING BACK TO COUNCIL. UH A PROPOSAL TO MODIFY THE FINANCIAL POLICY. JUST THINK IN GENERAL, THE LOOK OF IT, AND I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME. AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING THESE FUNDS THERE FOR PURPOSES, BUT AND THIS IS WHAT WE INTEND TO USE THEM FOR. BUT AS WE'RE MOVING ALONG THROUGH A LOT OF THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND CREATING OTHER FUNDS. IT'S IT MAKES US LOOK LIKE WE'RE SAVING MONEY EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR PURPOSES OF THE FUTURE, WHEN WE HAVE A SPECIFIC AMOUNT AND ARE IN OUR CHARTER, SO THAT'S THAT'S I'M HAPPY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY.

OKAY WITH THAT. I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO GO TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO, UH, THIS. THIS AGENDA ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE OR ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? LEAD, JACK.

OKAY? LET ME JUST CHECK ONLINE FIRST EARLY, SO WE CAN OKAY, NO ONE. MR. DIXON, PLEASE.

OBJECTIVES AND 8 10 LONG VALLEY COURT. I SAW THE BUDGET ITEM FOR THE EMERGENCY ACCESS AND THEN BY SUBDIVISION TO RE BUDGET THAT. AND I THINK THAT IT'S A BIG, BIG MISTAKE THAT REMAINED CAREFULLY LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC FLOW FROM A FOOTBALL GAME GOVERNMENT RACING THROUGH LIKE SIR PROSPER. NOW YOU EVEN GAVE AN ALTERNATE PATH. THROUGH THE MEN AND PROPERTY FOR THAT 100. UM, NOT AT ALL FOR LIKE SIR, PROSPEROUS EMERGENCY EXIT INTO FRONTIER PARK. I JUST THINK YOU REALLY NEED A REALLY CLOSE. LOOK AT THAT IMPACT MY COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, MR DIXON. I DO THINK WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AS ITS EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO GO IN AND OUT OF THERE. THERE'S NOT FOR NORMAL TRAFFIC FLOW. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S FOR FOOTBALL TRAFFIC.

I DON'T THINK YOU HEARD THAT FROM THIS COUNCIL, SIR. HOW YOU GONNA STOP IT? WELL THEY I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING. WE WERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE BOLLARDS THERE. THERE WILL BE ACCESS AND I BELIEVE YOU GET THE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. BE HAPPY TO PATROL THAT TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T COME IN TURN INTO A PUBLIC ACCESS FACILITY. IT'S AN EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO ACCESS IT. IT'LL BE BOLLARDS THAT ARE LOCKED THAT ONLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD ACCESS TO MOVE THOSE BOLLARDS. YOU WILL NOT BE . YOU WILL NOT GET ANY MORE VEHICLES. IF WE'RE THERE TODAY, THAT YOU THEN YOU DO TODAY UNLESS THERE IS A DEMAND ON A FIRE TRUCK OR OF THE WHOLE PURPOSE. OTHER CARS ARE TO GO THROUGH THEIR OTHER THAN WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR NOW WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, GOLF CARTS AND BICYCLES AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS STAYED INTO THE PHYSICAL BOX THROUGH OUR WORKING BARKING PATH AFTER THE FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATION. AND ALMOST HIT HIS CHILD RIGHT NOW.

CAR CAN GET THROUGH THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO STOP. THERE'S NO BARRIERS THERE RATHER THAN DEBATING IT. LET'S HEAR YOUR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I REGISTER THAT AND ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND, AND THAT IS NOT THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE. IN ANY CASE TO MAKE THAT INTO A ROADWAY, ITS EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY OKAY. WHEN IT HAPPENS, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO POUND ON. YOU GOT MY PHONE NUMBER IN MY PHONE NUMBER . I'VE GOT THE CHIEF PHONE NUMBER. SO, UH, THAT'S THE WAY OUR INTENT IS FOR THAT. RIGHT THERE. OTHERS COMICS ART. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER ONE ANY OTHER CITIZENS TO COMMENT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME COUNCIL. OUR DISCUSSION. AND I'M GOING TO START WITH THE FINANCE

[02:40:02]

SO, UM, THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING I WANT TO SAY, JUST THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING. YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AND FOR AND FOR HELPING US. THANK YOU. YEAH, I JUST HAD COUPLE QUICK THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL. COMMENDS STAFF IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR SHAVING DOWN THE FTE S, UM AND I THINK OUR CITIZENS YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SEE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE PROJECTS AND THIS ENABLES US TO REALLY MOVE FORWARD PROJECTS AND THE THINGS THAT THEY REALLY NEED TO LISTEN

[02:45:01]

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND I CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT, UM, THE OVERALL GROWTH. UM, THE FACT THAT UM, YOU KNOW, OUR ASSESSMENTS ARE GOING UP AND OUR CITIZENS WILL BE PAYING MORE. UM AND THEIR TAX BILLS, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S BEING USED EFFICIENTLY. AND SO I THINK ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING HERE ARE REALLY GREAT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UM AND THAT'S REALLY IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. COUNSELING BARLEY. OKAY SO THANK YOU, BOB AND YOUR STAFF AND ALL THE STAFF REALLY FOR WORKING ON THIS AS EVERYBODY ELSE ECHOED, UM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE COMMUNICATING WITH OUR CITIZENS THAT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT CUTTING THE BUDGET. CUTTING A BUDGET MEANS THAT YOU TAKE, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE AND YOU CUT THOSE AND WE ARE NOT DOING THAT. WE ARE GROWING OUR STAFF. WE ARE GROWING OUR CAPITAL DEDICATED AS WE'VE DISCUSSED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR CITIZENS UNDERSTAND. MATCH. THEIR PRIORITIES HAVING SAID THAT I DID A LITTLE POLL WITH SOME OF MY LITTLE GOOD WILL PROSPER RESIDENTS AT THE CHAGRIN OF A COUNCILMAN COTTON DOWN THERE AND I HAD 78 RESPONSES. I ASKED THEM TO RANK THEIR PRIORITIES FOR BUDGET AND C I P OVERWHELMINGLY . THE TOP TWO CHOICES ON BOTH WERE INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC SAFETY. SO WHAT I WHAT I SAY THAT IS THAT I THINK THAT WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND WE ARE LISTENING TO WHAT OUR PEOPLE WANT. UM THEY WANT ROADS TO DRIVE ON AND MAKE THEIR LIFE EASIER, AND THEY WANT THEY HAVE A PRIORITY OF PUBLIC SAFETY. SO THAT'S THE GROWTH MODE THAT WE'RE IN. UM SO I'M VERY, VERY PLEASED TO SEE THE CAPITAL DEDICATED FUND TO BE WHAT IT IS NOW. A LITTLE OVER SEVEN MILLION. I DO HAVE ONE ASK, THOUGH, OF THE MAYOR. SO UM, I ASK IS THAT WHEN WE PASSED THE BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER THAT WE IDENTIFY A DATE OF TIME THAT WE ARE GOING TO STRATEGICALLY PLAN AROUND, ALLOCATING THOSE DOLLARS WE ALLOCATED 3.25. MILLIONS WELL SORT OF WE TABLED THE ONE BUT WE ALLOCATED THOSE FUNDS TONIGHT BY CHOOSING THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE CHOSE ON THE THREE RED PROJECTS . WE HAVE FOUR MILLION LEFT. I DON'T LIKE IT FOR OUR CITIZENS FOR THE FACT THAT TRANSPARENCY IF WE JUST KIND OF SAY, WELL, IT'S CAPITAL DEDICATED. THE FOUR MILLION IS OUT THERE. I WANT US TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR CITIZENS THAT ON A ON A GIVEN DAY TO SELECTED DATE, WE WILL HAVE A STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING AROUND THOSE FUNDS AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THOSE FUNDS LOOKING AT THE TOWN IN TOTALITY. ROAD PROJECTS, THINGS THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, RIO ALLOCATED THIS YEAR. THE OTHER OVER RIDGES THAT WE ANTICIPATE IN THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE THAT IN A PUBLIC MEETING WITH OUR CITIZENS OF WHAT WE PLAN TO DO WITH THAT THOSE DOLLARS SO THAT

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[02:55:03]

AND NOW I FORGOT WHAT IT IS BECAUSE I'M SO OLD. OH, AH! I WANT TO. I WANT TO DISCUSS AGAIN. THE STRATEGY AND INPUT IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR ROAD CHANGE NAME CHANGE TO FIRST STREET FROM FISH TRAP. WE TALKED . WE WE'VE ALL AGREED. WE'VE AGREED THAT WE'RE DOING THAT.

BUT BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD BEEN IMPLEMENTED. I HAVEN'T SEEN A PLAN TO IMPLEMENT IT. AND I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE, OKAY? IMPLEMENT. I'VE GOT ONE AS WELL.

WE GOT A WHOLE AGENDA RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? I KNOW. UH FOR ME, IT'S MORE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE MEDIANS ALONG PRESTON AND OTHERS WERE. I'VE SEEN PRIVATE SIX DIFFERENT RELOCATIONS OF THOSE MAGNETS. THE REFLECTIVE STRIPS THERE IN ALL DIFFERENT PLACES, AND THE CURBS ARE ALL TORN UP. I KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC. WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR SWEEPER, WHICH I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT ABSOLUTELY GET A SCHEDULE FOR THE SWEEPER BUT ALSO TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW GETTING THOSE CURVES AND THOSE REFLECTORS PUT BACK IN PLACE BECAUSE YOU HAVE DRIVEN IT EVERY DAY JUST TO SEE HOW LONG IT'S THERE, AND IT'S IN THE WRONG PLACE. NO. THANK YOU. AMY JEFF, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. ALRIGHT WITH THAT. UH NEXT

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FIRST ONE THROUGH THE DOOR. AMY WE HAVE FORUM RECONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION REGULAR

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